Re: downgrading from unstable to testing
On Thu, 2002-09-12 at 02:51, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: --Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (on Wednesday, 11 September 2002, 03:53 PM +0200): [...] As downgrades are often not properly supported, you'll probably want to do the same (or remove unstable sources alltogether), unless some packages are really broken. As long as it works, I would not actively downgrade any packages. Unfortunately, some of the packages no longer work -- and as I need to _use_ the machine, I need a certain degree of stability. I also need to have a machine a little more on the bleeding edge than woody. Ok, then I would definitely recommend mixing stable and unstable. I have to set up my preferences file to prefer testing/updates with priority 750, and normally use just testing with 700. (this assumes you've read man apt_preferences). I've read apt_preferences, and here are the contents of my /etc/apt/preferences file: Package: * Pin: release v=3.*,a=testing,c=*,o=*,l=Debian Pin-Priority: 1001 1001 should be ok (I've never tried it, though, as the just wait approach has worked for me so far). I have also changed my sources.list to point only at testing for the time being. When I do an apt-show-versions -u, however, no packages are returned (well, on the first try, 7 were, but they were actual upgrades to what I had... hmmm..). I suspect that either I have the Pin wrong, or that I need to bump the Pin-Priority even higher... Anybody have any ideas? Hmm. Are packages actually assigned prio 1001? What does apt-policy somepkg say? My preferences file is: === Package: * Pin: release l=Debian-Security Pin-Priority: 750 Package: * Pin: release a=testing Pin-Priority: 700 Package: * Pin: release a=stable Pin-Priority: 600 === Where stable is in mostly to catch the stupid sort of thing that happened to gnome-terminal. It's important that the Debian-Security thing is first, because a=testing catches also testing-security (haven't looked if packages ever come in here) and a=stable catches also stable-security. My sources.list ist (careful, linebreaks!) === deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main non-free contrib deb http://debian.ethz.ch/mirror/debian/ testing main non-free contrib deb http://debian.ethz.ch/mirror/debian-non-US/ testing/non-US main non-free contrib deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main non-free contrib deb http://debian.ethz.ch/mirror/debian/ stable main non-free contrib deb http://debian.ethz.ch/mirror/debian-non-US/ stable/non-US main non-free contrib deb http://debian.ethz.ch/mirror/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib deb http://debian.ethz.ch/mirror/debian-non-US/ unstable/non-US main non-free contrib === (well, almost. I use apt-cacher in between). cheers -- vbi -- secure email with gpg http://fortytwo.ch/gpg NOTICE: subkey signature! request key 92082481 from keyserver.kjsl.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: downgrading from unstable to testing
On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 10:26:45AM +0200, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote.. My preferences file is: === Package: * Pin: release l=Debian-Security Pin-Priority: 750 Package: * Pin: release a=testing Pin-Priority: 700 Package: * Pin: release a=stable Pin-Priority: 600 === I've been following this thread of downgrading and preferences file, and decided to see what my preference file settings were (I'm a debian newbie). Surprise when I found that I didn't have one in /etc/apt/. I presume there's a built-in set of defaults and that you only need a preferences file if you want to customize. If I want to live my debian life in the middle with 'testing', should I create a preferences file? If I don't, and just put entries for testing at the top of my sources list, does that mean the apt-get function will never descend down beyond the first entries of sources.list? Thanks Kevin msg01950/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: downgrading from unstable to testing
On approximately Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 07:49:08AM -0400, Kevin Coyner wrote: If I want to live my debian life in the middle with 'testing', should I create a preferences file? If I don't, and just put entries for testing at the top of my sources list, does that mean the apt-get function will never descend down beyond the first entries of sources.list? Thanks Kevin If you just want to use testing you don't need a preferences file. apt will always install the latest version available. Josh -- Linux, the choice| Health nuts are going to feel stupid of a GNU generation -o) | someday, lying in hospitals dying of Kernel 2.4.19-ck5-ll /\ | nothing. -- Redd Foxx on a Athlon-XP _\_v | | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: downgrading from unstable to testing
Matthew wrote: , so my big question of theday is: how do I downgrade from unstable to testing? I know I cansimply change my apt.sources list to point at testing, but since mostof the software I have installed is of a newer version than sarge, won'tit simply keep telling me I already have the latest version?Any pointers -- to the correct manuals or otherwise -- would be greatlyappreciated I think if you pin the packages with a pin-priority of greather than 1000 then they will be downgraded - see the up to date APT-Howto at: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html Pete (Too frightened to run unstable myself!) __ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: downgrading from unstable to testing
--Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (on Wednesday, 11 September 2002, 03:53 PM +0200): On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 15:23, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: so my big question of the day is: how do I downgrade from unstable to testing? I know I can simply change my apt.sources list to point at testing, but since most of the software I have installed is of a newer version than sarge, won't it simply keep telling me I already have the latest version? I also started out with mostly everything from unstable, and I never did downgrade, but I just waited for the packages to trickle down to testing. As downgrades are often not properly supported, you'll probably want to do the same (or remove unstable sources alltogether), unless some packages are really broken. As long as it works, I would not actively downgrade any packages. Unfortunately, some of the packages no longer work -- and as I need to _use_ the machine, I need a certain degree of stability. I also need to have a machine a little more on the bleeding edge than woody. I have to set up my preferences file to prefer testing/updates with priority 750, and normally use just testing with 700. (this assumes you've read man apt_preferences). I've read apt_preferences, and here are the contents of my /etc/apt/preferences file: Package: * Pin: release v=3.*,a=testing,c=*,o=*,l=Debian Pin-Priority: 1001 I have also changed my sources.list to point only at testing for the time being. When I do an apt-show-versions -u, however, no packages are returned (well, on the first try, 7 were, but they were actual upgrades to what I had... hmmm..). I suspect that either I have the Pin wrong, or that I need to bump the Pin-Priority even higher... Anybody have any ideas? --Matthew -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: downgrading from unstable to testing
On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 08:08:38AM -0700, Peter Sharp happened to mention: Matthew wrote: , so my big question of theday is: how do I downgrade from unstable to testing? I know I cansimply change my apt.sources list to point at testing, but since mostof the software I have installed is of a newer version than sarge, won'tit simply keep telling me I already have the latest version?Any pointers -- to the correct manuals or otherwise -- would be greatlyappreciated I think if you pin the packages with a pin-priority of greather than 1000 then they will be downgraded - see the up to date APT-Howto at: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html Pete (Too frightened to run unstable myself!) What I have done in the past is do just like you said: change your sources.list to testing, do the apt-get update, and then wait. Supposedly stuff will ooze from unstable to testing over time, and all the goodies will then be at your beck-n-call. I have done it before, and given what everyone has said lately about the state of unstable, I just did the move back to testing last night...now I will wait, let things settle out, and when I get the itch again move back to unstable. Worked for me in the past, YMMV. Jeff -- Jeff Maxson [EMAIL PROTECTED] msg01887/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
