Re: gnome panel fonts on startup (solved for now)
On Tue, 08 May 2012 21:56:23 -0400, songbird wrote: Camaleón wrote: I wonder why is that gnome-shell fails. Is that okay for you? right now it is very ok for me. :) if i try to push gnome-shell to the most recent version it wants to remove evolution. i would rather leave my e-mail installed than have a most recent Gnome. How can that be? What's the exact ouput you get? fallback mode is working well for me now. i'm going to leave this alone until i get a lot more rainy days or the Gnome updates in sid/wheezy work and don't break my e-mail. Okay, but remember the GNOME classic login can dissapear in a near future, don't rely so much on it. I mean, does your card support 3D and you're using a driver that makes use of it? my card is built in and like the machine a ways behind the times, drivers are most recent versions. Intel cards are usually well supported. Mine is an Intel and works reasonably well with gnome-shell. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/joe0vc$bci$6...@dough.gmane.org
Re: gnome panel fonts on startup (solved for now)
On Mon, 07 May 2012 17:27:53 -0400, songbird wrote: songbird wrote: Camaleón wrote: ... Let the updates do their work :-) thanks, but no change in the situation with latest updates. as it turns out, the Gnome transition going on with updates to sid/wheezy crashed my new Gnome and it retreated to running fallback instead. Most of the gnome-shell crashes are because of: - A bad gnome-shell.css file, should you have edited manually. - A problem with VGA 3D acceleration (look at your ~/.xsession-errors file to find out more. - An annoying bug :-) the fonts work correctly on startup and restarts of Gnome Panel under fallback. I wonder why is that gnome-shell fails. Is that okay for you? I mean, does your card support 3D and you're using a driver that makes use of it? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/job8hr$vio$3...@dough.gmane.org
Re: gnome panel fonts on startup (solved for now)
Camaleón wrote: songbird wrote: ... the fonts work correctly on startup and restarts of Gnome Panel under fallback. I wonder why is that gnome-shell fails. Is that okay for you? right now it is very ok for me. :) if i try to push gnome-shell to the most recent version it wants to remove evolution. i would rather leave my e-mail installed than have a most recent Gnome. fallback mode is working well for me now. i'm going to leave this alone until i get a lot more rainy days or the Gnome updates in sid/wheezy work and don't break my e-mail. I mean, does your card support 3D and you're using a driver that makes use of it? my card is built in and like the machine a ways behind the times, drivers are most recent versions. songbird -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/7fvo79-uhe@id-306963.user.uni-berlin.de
Re: gnome panel fonts on startup (solved for now)
songbird wrote: Camaleón wrote: ... Let the updates do their work :-) thanks, but no change in the situation with latest updates. as it turns out, the Gnome transition going on with updates to sid/wheezy crashed my new Gnome and it retreated to running fallback instead. the fonts work correctly on startup and restarts of Gnome Panel under fallback. thanks again, songbird -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pbrl79-gk4@id-306963.user.uni-berlin.de
Re: gnome panel fonts on startup
Camaleón wrote: ... Let the updates do their work :-) thanks, but no change in the situation with latest updates. and yes, i have tried setting up new user before and then i did again today to make sure and the problem remains. my guess is that you are right in that it is probably graphics driver. i'll look into that next. sorry for being short, this is a quick update. ;) songbird -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jrdc69-u8f@id-306963.user.uni-berlin.de
Re: gnome panel fonts on startup
Camaleón wrote: songbird wrote: Camaleón wrote: (...) What VGA driver are you using? Although you firstly thought there is no relation between this and your UI problems, true is that there can be :-) (intel cards use to work smoothly with gnome-shell while ati/nvidia and the closed source drivers are more problematic, specially for nvidia), so if you have the chance and aren't afraid of messing up your system you can try to swap the current VGA driver (meaning, if using open source drivers load the closed one or viceversa). the xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.18.0-2 trying to switch to intel site downloaded version. too old... skip for now. The package seems up-to-date. *nods* today there are changes in the sid/testing repositories for gnome-panel and a few other things. i'm grabbing those updates now and hoping this will fix it. we'll see. i'm going to fall asleep soon. if i knew how to automatically include these steps in the desktop startup i could try that, but i'm not a gnome wizard. I can't imagine a bypass for this, but you can open a bug report so the issue can be closely -and properly- tracked. no bug is worth being filed for a cosmetic item like this. You think? Not seeing the whole text of the menu items does not seem to be a cosmetic problem. Visual impaired people can have lot of difficulties to click on the right item... i would not encourage anyone with that sort of trouble to use testing or sid unless they have someone else around to get them out of jams that can happen. it mostly works. looking at bug tracker for both debian and gnome site looks like they are swamped with reports. sending bug upstream to be ignored makes more work for everyone. You don't have to expect a solution in one day but just reporting what you are getting. Let devels to categorize the priority of the problem, if they consider it's irrelevenat or something wrong at your side, they'll tell. if it is graphics driver problem i expect no changes unless i find the specific place and can propose a patch. this is an old machine and the code isn't being worked on actively any longer. if i get a patch or fix then i can at least then file something useful for others who might have similar problem to find. Before you delevop a patch you'll have first to find out where is the problem (intel xorg driver, gnome-shell, mutter-clutter...) :-) yes, the joy of learning. i'm having a lot of fun lately. puzzles for rainy days. if these updates for gnome-panel don't work then i will take another look at the problem in a day or two. trying to wrap up other another project first. was hoping someone who was familiar with gnome internals could point me to code and i think by what you've said i may figure something out. i'm finding places to alter and test the result as soon as i can get the build environment set up. i've gone too far ahead for the moment. thank you for your replies, You can also ask for feedback at debian gnome devel mailing list (debian- gtk-gnome), most of the developers/packagers read/post there. eventually i may, yet i doubt this is a problem with debian packaging. songbird -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20n769-qjt@id-306963.user.uni-berlin.de
Re: gnome panel fonts on startup
On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 05:31:14 -0400, songbird wrote: Camaleón wrote: the xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.18.0-2 trying to switch to intel site downloaded version. too old... skip for now. The package seems up-to-date. *nods* today there are changes in the sid/testing repositories for gnome-panel and a few other things. i'm grabbing those updates now and hoping this will fix it. we'll see. i'm going to fall asleep soon. Now you say... have you tested with another (fresh-new created) user? Just to discard something messed inside your current GNOME user profile. no bug is worth being filed for a cosmetic item like this. You think? Not seeing the whole text of the menu items does not seem to be a cosmetic problem. Visual impaired people can have lot of difficulties to click on the right item... i would not encourage anyone with that sort of trouble to use testing or sid unless they have someone else around to get them out of jams that can happen. Sure, but for that same reason users use sid: they are the brave knights who experience with the most annoying and weird bugs to avoid the mere mortals have to deal with the problems afterwards O:-) You don't have to expect a solution in one day but just reporting what you are getting. Let devels to categorize the priority of the problem, if they consider it's irrelevenat or something wrong at your side, they'll tell. if it is graphics driver problem i expect no changes unless i find the specific place and can propose a patch. this is an old machine and the code isn't being worked on actively any longer. Why not? If you find a problem with intel's VGA driver, being open source it can be easily solved. if i get a patch or fix then i can at least then file something useful for others who might have similar problem to find. Before you delevop a patch you'll have first to find out where is the problem (intel xorg driver, gnome-shell, mutter-clutter...) :-) yes, the joy of learning. i'm having a lot of fun lately. puzzles for rainy days. if these updates for gnome-panel don't work then i will take another look at the problem in a day or two. Let the updates do their work :-) You can also ask for feedback at debian gnome devel mailing list (debian- gtk-gnome), most of the developers/packagers read/post there. eventually i may, yet i doubt this is a problem with debian packaging. It hasn't to be. You're only asking, not reporting an error but those sort of problems are usually easy identified by people in the know who have to work/deal with these issues almost every day :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jmrt1u$o0u$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: gnome panel fonts on startup
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 01:55:49 -0400, songbird wrote: Camaleón wrote: (...) What VGA driver are you using? Although you firstly thought there is no relation between this and your UI problems, true is that there can be :-) (intel cards use to work smoothly with gnome-shell while ati/nvidia and the closed source drivers are more problematic, specially for nvidia), so if you have the chance and aren't afraid of messing up your system you can try to swap the current VGA driver (meaning, if using open source drivers load the closed one or viceversa). the xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.18.0-2 trying to switch to intel site downloaded version. too old... skip for now. The package seems up-to-date. if i knew how to automatically include these steps in the desktop startup i could try that, but i'm not a gnome wizard. I can't imagine a bypass for this, but you can open a bug report so the issue can be closely -and properly- tracked. no bug is worth being filed for a cosmetic item like this. You think? Not seeing the whole text of the menu items does not seem to be a cosmetic problem. Visual impaired people can have lot of difficulties to click on the right item... it mostly works. looking at bug tracker for both debian and gnome site looks like they are swamped with reports. sending bug upstream to be ignored makes more work for everyone. You don't have to expect a solution in one day but just reporting what you are getting. Let devels to categorize the priority of the problem, if they consider it's irrelevenat or something wrong at your side, they'll tell. if i get a patch or fix then i can at least then file something useful for others who might have similar problem to find. Before you delevop a patch you'll have first to find out where is the problem (intel xorg driver, gnome-shell, mutter-clutter...) :-) was hoping someone who was familiar with gnome internals could point me to code and i think by what you've said i may figure something out. i'm finding places to alter and test the result as soon as i can get the build environment set up. i've gone too far ahead for the moment. thank you for your replies, You can also ask for feedback at debian gnome devel mailing list (debian- gtk-gnome), most of the developers/packagers read/post there. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jmp9b9$kai$7...@dough.gmane.org
Re: gnome panel fonts on startup
On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:51:13 -0400, songbird wrote: Camaleón wrote: i'm running current unstable versions of gnome, gnome-panel, gnome-shell, up to date on graphics drivers, tried different kernels, tried creating new user, etc. all same result. the whole thing is blank other than the letter m (which is the first letter of the user name me) but as time goes on the clock gets digits as they change. (...) When that happens, try by restarting gnome-shell (Alt+F2 and type r), I've also experienced the missing letters from time to time. this puts me back exactly to the state where the font letters are missing. like right now i am typing this in Gnome Terminal 3.4.0.1-1 and gnome- panel 3.2.1-2+b1 using slrn. Just as reference, I was pointing to this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=636874 But in my case, restarting gnome-shell solves the issue so maybe is that you're facing a different problem then :-? the gnome-panel up above is missing the word Activities completely, to the right a little it has the icon for the terminal T m al, the clock in the center shows 7 and the rightmost part says m. to get it to display correctly i have to again click the accessibility icon (that is not displayed until i hover over it) and clicking L rg T xt and then again clicking Large Text (to turn it back to normal font). then all is well again. As you're using sid, check for any package update, if any. What VGA driver are you using? Although you firstly thought there is no relation between this and your UI problems, true is that there can be :-) (intel cards use to work smoothly with gnome-shell while ati/nvidia and the closed source drivers are more problematic, specially for nvidia), so if you have the chance and aren't afraid of messing up your system you can try to swap the current VGA driver (meaning, if using open source drivers load the closed one or viceversa). if i knew how to automatically include these steps in the desktop startup i could try that, but i'm not a gnome wizard. I can't imagine a bypass for this, but you can open a bug report so the issue can be closely -and properly- tracked. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jmjtgf$h73$3...@dough.gmane.org
Re: gnome panel fonts on startup
Camaleón wrote: ... But in my case, restarting gnome-shell solves the issue so maybe is that you're facing a different problem then :-? yes, i'm still digging into it. going to be delayed for a while now. if i figure it out i'll post a fix. the gnome-panel up above is missing the word Activities completely, to the right a little it has the icon for the terminal T m al, the clock in the center shows 7 and the rightmost part says m. to get it to display correctly i have to again click the accessibility icon (that is not displayed until i hover over it) and clicking L rg T xt and then again clicking Large Text (to turn it back to normal font). then all is well again. As you're using sid, check for any package update, if any. everything gnomish, xish, is up to date. What VGA driver are you using? Although you firstly thought there is no relation between this and your UI problems, true is that there can be :-) (intel cards use to work smoothly with gnome-shell while ati/nvidia and the closed source drivers are more problematic, specially for nvidia), so if you have the chance and aren't afraid of messing up your system you can try to swap the current VGA driver (meaning, if using open source drivers load the closed one or viceversa). the xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.18.0-2 trying to switch to intel site downloaded version. too old... skip for now. if i knew how to automatically include these steps in the desktop startup i could try that, but i'm not a gnome wizard. I can't imagine a bypass for this, but you can open a bug report so the issue can be closely -and properly- tracked. no bug is worth being filed for a cosmetic item like this. it mostly works. looking at bug tracker for both debian and gnome site looks like they are swamped with reports. sending bug upstream to be ignored makes more work for everyone. if i get a patch or fix then i can at least then file something useful for others who might have similar problem to find. was hoping someone who was familiar with gnome internals could point me to code and i think by what you've said i may figure something out. i'm finding places to alter and test the result as soon as i can get the build environment set up. i've gone too far ahead for the moment. thank you for your replies, songbird -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5k1269-4fg@id-306963.user.uni-berlin.de
Re: gnome panel fonts on startup
On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 12:50:41 -0400, songbird wrote: what controls the display of the fonts in the gnome-panel when it first starts up? Well, starting from gnome-shell, mutter is the window manager which relies in clutter as the graphical library to draw the GUI. i'm running current unstable versions of gnome, gnome-panel, gnome-shell, up to date on graphics drivers, tried different kernels, tried creating new user, etc. all same result. the whole thing is blank other than the letter m (which is the first letter of the user name me) but as time goes on the clock gets digits as they change. (...) When that happens, try by restarting gnome-shell (Alt+F2 and type r), I've also experienced the missing letters from time to time. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jmhdb3$o2a$6...@dough.gmane.org
Re: gnome panel fonts on startup
Camaleón wrote: songbird wrote: what controls the display of the fonts in the gnome-panel when it first starts up? Well, starting from gnome-shell, mutter is the window manager which relies in clutter as the graphical library to draw the GUI. ok, thanks for the names. i can look into getting and looking into them more later this week or next week. i'm running current unstable versions of gnome, gnome-panel, gnome-shell, up to date on graphics drivers, tried different kernels, tried creating new user, etc. all same result. the whole thing is blank other than the letter m (which is the first letter of the user name me) but as time goes on the clock gets digits as they change. (...) When that happens, try by restarting gnome-shell (Alt+F2 and type r), I've also experienced the missing letters from time to time. this puts me back exactly to the state where the font letters are missing. like right now i am typing this in Gnome Terminal 3.4.0.1-1 and gnome- panel 3.2.1-2+b1 using slrn. the gnome-panel up above is missing the word Activities completely, to the right a little it has the icon for the terminal T m al, the clock in the center shows 7 and the rightmost part says m. to get it to display correctly i have to again click the accessibility icon (that is not displayed until i hover over it) and clicking L rg T xt and then again clicking Large Text (to turn it back to normal font). then all is well again. if i knew how to automatically include these steps in the desktop startup i could try that, but i'm not a gnome wizard. thanks for your reply, songbird -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/hq9u59-3s8@id-306963.user.uni-berlin.de
