Re: Skipping releases on dist-upgrades [was: Re: Is this safe?? Chrome in Debian 6]
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Sb, 19 iul 14, 18:34:28, Tom H wrote: This was discussed on debian-devel@. I'm sure that if you asked those who want this supported they'd tell you that this isn't what was decided and if you asked those who didn't want this supported they'd tell you that this is what was decided (unless I'm mis-remembering the thread). http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#system-status Direct upgrades from Debian releases older than 6.0 (squeeze) are not supported. Please follow the instructions in the Release Notes for Debian 6.0 to upgrade to 6.0 first. Thanks. I hadn't seen that. (And there's a typo: upgrade to version 7.0 first.) What do you want to bet though that there'll be a lot of pushback against this in the form of a long email flame war? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=SzSaWhM2d3j2F4EVRZs2jnG+RFPu9xKc0kZ=a9ov1x...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Skipping releases on dist-upgrades [was: Re: Is this safe?? Chrome in Debian 6]
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 04:04:04 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Sb, 19 iul 14, 18:34:28, Tom H wrote: This was discussed on debian-devel@. I'm sure that if you asked those who want this supported they'd tell you that this isn't what was decided and if you asked those who didn't want this supported they'd tell you that this is what was decided (unless I'm mis-remembering the thread). http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#system-status Direct upgrades from Debian releases older than 6.0 (squeeze) are not supported. Please follow the instructions in the Release Notes for Debian 6.0 to upgrade to 6.0 first. Thanks. I hadn't seen that. (And there's a typo: upgrade to version 7.0 first.) What do you want to bet though that there'll be a lot of pushback against this in the form of a long email flame war? I doubt it. Most people running stable on a workstation will keep it up to date, they won't upgrade after missing an entire release. Most people running stable on a server are very keen on doing anything that will reduce the chance of having to reinstall, with ten years' worth of tweaks to add, and will follow the release notes to the letter. There will only be a few who claim that jumping a release is a great thing to do. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140721091627.0b8e3...@jretrading.com
Re: Skipping releases on dist-upgrades [was: Re: Is this safe?? Chrome in Debian 6]
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:16 AM, Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 04:04:04 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Sb, 19 iul 14, 18:34:28, Tom H wrote: This was discussed on debian-devel@. I'm sure that if you asked those who want this supported they'd tell you that this isn't what was decided and if you asked those who didn't want this supported they'd tell you that this is what was decided (unless I'm mis-remembering the thread). http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#system-status Direct upgrades from Debian releases older than 6.0 (squeeze) are not supported. Please follow the instructions in the Release Notes for Debian 6.0 to upgrade to 6.0 first. Thanks. I hadn't seen that. (And there's a typo: upgrade to version 7.0 first.) What do you want to bet though that there'll be a lot of pushback against this in the form of a long email flame war? I doubt it. Most people running stable on a workstation will keep it up to date, they won't upgrade after missing an entire release. Most people running stable on a server are very keen on doing anything that will reduce the chance of having to reinstall, with ten years' worth of tweaks to add, and will follow the release notes to the letter. There will only be a few who claim that jumping a release is a great thing to do. There's already been one thread about this on debian-devel@ and it was a typical thread where the pro and con make their points but no decision's reached. That discussion'll be back because there are people who think that they ought to be able to go from squeeze-lts to jessie in one step - and they'll tell you that one upgrade is safer than two. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=SzBXqY+01PUD0ibRXO-fPtcUTnXc54hfCO3njtvFv=V=q...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Skipping releases on dist-upgrades [was: Re: Is this safe?? Chrome in Debian 6]
Tom H wrote: Joe wrote: ... There will only be a few who claim that jumping a release is a great thing to do. There's already been one thread about this on debian-devel@ and it was a typical thread where the pro and con make their points but no decision's reached. That discussion'll be back because there are people who think that they ought to be able to go from squeeze-lts to jessie in one step - and they'll tell you that one upgrade is safer than two. based upon my recent attempt to jump versions it's really much easier to back up your user data and then reinstall. i ran into all sorts of chicken and egg problems and didn't have the right bits locally to make the transition (specifically there was a version of tar that is used to unpack the debs and in one case it could not understand the .xz format and thus would not work in any fashion and to get a version installed that would work meant having to upgrade libc and that then dragged in all sorts of things like multiarch)... it was much more involved than an initial install. i really suspect that is the most direct answer that applies from those who would be concerned with making it work. if i'd had a more recent media download i would have stopped after about a half hour of attempts and just done that. but it _was_ an interesting exercise... songbird -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/44iv9b-hm1@id-306963.user.uni-berlin.de
Re: Skipping releases on dist-upgrades [was: Re: Is this safe?? Chrome in Debian 6]
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 04:37:40 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:16 AM, Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote: There will only be a few who claim that jumping a release is a great thing to do. There's already been one thread about this on debian-devel@ and it was a typical thread where the pro and con make their points but no decision's reached. That discussion'll be back because there are people who think that they ought to be able to go from squeeze-lts to jessie in one step - and they'll tell you that one upgrade is safer than two. Two upgrades that are almost certain to work are safer than one which hasn't been tested... Anyone who has the slightest familiarity with Debian (including developers?) will know that the order in which things are done can be extremely important. A system which has been upgraded from a previous release will not be identical to a clean install. Functionally it should be the same, but not in detail. And I've more than once been faced with a massive logjam in a sid upgrade, where aptitude wanted to remove half the system, and managed to manually complete the upgrade with no removals with a bit of trial and error, selecting things to upgrade piecemeal. These things suggest that skipping a release is a bad idea, and may well leave you painted into an inaccessible corner. Something a bit related that I do usually do is to install unstable with a single dist-upgrade from stable to unstable. But unstable is usually very similar to testing, and I only do this with a bare console-based minimal installation, before building the system up in unstable. But even then, I'm prepared to find a case one day when that won't work, and I have to do it again in two steps. No problem, there's no real investment there. There most certainly is a great deal of investment in a production system, too much to risk to save an hour or two. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140721153021.4e0ef...@jretrading.com
Re: Skipping releases on dist-upgrades [was: Re: Is this safe?? Chrome in Debian 6]
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 04:37:40 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: There's already been one thread about this on debian-devel@ and it was a typical thread where the pro and con make their points but no decision's reached. That discussion'll be back because there are people who think that they ought to be able to go from squeeze-lts to jessie in one step - and they'll tell you that one upgrade is safer than two. Two upgrades that are almost certain to work are safer than one which hasn't been tested... Feel free to join the flamewar when it takes place - because it will. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=sxs4c6dfuyymv4j1rfyaqsqw9ajoxrkfc11vkq--h0...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Skipping releases on dist-upgrades [was: Re: Is this safe?? Chrome in Debian 6]
On Lu, 21 iul 14, 04:04:04, Tom H wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Andrei POPESCU http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#system-status Direct upgrades from Debian releases older than 6.0 (squeeze) are not supported. Please follow the instructions in the Release Notes for Debian 6.0 to upgrade to 6.0 first. Thanks. I hadn't seen that. (And there's a typo: upgrade to version 7.0 first.) Actually it's not, you have to read the Release Notes for 6.0 to upgrade to it ;) Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Skipping releases on dist-upgrades [was: Re: Is this safe?? Chrome in Debian 6]
On Sb, 19 iul 14, 18:34:28, Tom H wrote: This was discussed on debian-devel@. I'm sure that if you asked those who want this supported they'd tell you that this isn't what was decided and if you asked those who didn't want this supported they'd tell you that this is what was decided (unless I'm mis-remembering the thread). http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#system-status Direct upgrades from Debian releases older than 6.0 (squeeze) are not supported. Please follow the instructions in the Release Notes for Debian 6.0 to upgrade to 6.0 first. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
