Re: Slow Win2k after Debian install
On Saturday 05 October 2002 12:32 am, Peter Whysall wrote: On Fri, 2002-10-04 at 19:43, Kourosh Ghassemieh wrote: On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 07:30:47PM +0100, jerry k wrote: Kourosh wrote: One thing you may want to try is to use W2K's disk management tools to delete the last partitioan, i.e. G:, then reboot so that it is no longer recognized as drive G: in Windows. That should clear up the problem with Explorer trying to read the G: drive. This won't affect the debian data on G:? I'll try it after the base install. It's very annoying having to deal with this kind of thing from windows, i guess it knows i'm trying to ditch it and is playing the jealous lover (stalker, more like!) Thank's! Jerry Back up your data before deleting partitions!!! I'm sure there is a way to tell Windows to ignore an already created partition by editing the registry but I don't know how. My suggestion to delete the partition in W2K _will_ cause all data to be erased and will require a re-install of Debian. You don't need to edit the registry. Simply use Disk Manager (right-click My Computer-Manage, Logical disk manager service) to remove the drive letter from drive G:. This process will not affect the data on the partition. this definitely has nada to do with debian. there's a point in time where even the most considerate advice outlives its place on this list. you've hit it, you win-nazis. do i have to wait for someone else to invoke godwin's law, or is this enough? ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slow Win2k after Debian install
On Sat, 2002-10-05 at 09:45, ben wrote: On Saturday 05 October 2002 12:32 am, Peter Whysall wrote: On Fri, 2002-10-04 at 19:43, Kourosh Ghassemieh wrote: On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 07:30:47PM +0100, jerry k wrote: Kourosh wrote: One thing you may want to try is to use W2K's disk management tools to delete the last partitioan, i.e. G:, then reboot so that it is no longer recognized as drive G: in Windows. That should clear up the problem with Explorer trying to read the G: drive. This won't affect the debian data on G:? I'll try it after the base install. It's very annoying having to deal with this kind of thing from windows, i guess it knows i'm trying to ditch it and is playing the jealous lover (stalker, more like!) Thank's! Jerry Back up your data before deleting partitions!!! I'm sure there is a way to tell Windows to ignore an already created partition by editing the registry but I don't know how. My suggestion to delete the partition in W2K _will_ cause all data to be erased and will require a re-install of Debian. You don't need to edit the registry. Simply use Disk Manager (right-click My Computer-Manage, Logical disk manager service) to remove the drive letter from drive G:. This process will not affect the data on the partition. this definitely has nada to do with debian. there's a point in time where even the most considerate advice outlives its place on this list. you've hit it, you win-nazis. Excuse me, but I think that preventing someone from inadvertently nuking their whole Debian installation might have something to do with Debian. do i have to wait for someone else to invoke godwin's law, or is this enough? Godwin's Law is misunderstood, as you quite clearly demonstrate. Regards Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slow Win2k after Debian install
On Saturday 05 October 2002 03:20 am, Peter Whysall wrote: [snip] Excuse me, but I think that preventing someone from inadvertently nuking their whole Debian installation might have something to do with Debian. do i have to wait for someone else to invoke godwin's law, or is this enough? Godwin's Law is misunderstood, as you quite clearly demonstrate. Regards Peter. if you can the use of any combination of win tools to successfully preserve any non-win installation, i will gladly applaud you. as for any misunderstanding of godwin's law, i'm equally open to edification. ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slow Win2k after Debian install
On Saturday 05 October 2002 03:36 am, ben wrote: On Saturday 05 October 2002 03:20 am, Peter Whysall wrote: [snip] Excuse me, but I think that preventing someone from inadvertently nuking their whole Debian installation might have something to do with Debian. do i have to wait for someone else to invoke godwin's law, or is this enough? Godwin's Law is misunderstood, as you quite clearly demonstrate. Regards Peter. sorry, that last response should have read: if you can document the use of any combination of win tools that successfully preserves any non-win installation, i will gladly applaud you. as for any misunderstanding of godwin's law, i'm equally open to edification. btw, you're (moc)ked return address is more than half way to spam rejection by my very liberal filters. just a heads-up in the event that anyone you write to at a spam-paranoid isp hasn't responded lately. ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slow Win2k after Debian install
On Sat, 5 Oct 2002 03:36:35 -0700 ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 05 October 2002 03:20 am, Peter Whysall wrote: [snip] Excuse me, but I think that preventing someone from inadvertently nuking their whole Debian installation might have something to do with Debian. do i have to wait for someone else to invoke godwin's law, or is this enough? Godwin's Law is misunderstood, as you quite clearly demonstrate. Regards Peter. if you can the use of any combination of win tools to successfully preserve any non-win installation, i will gladly applaud you. as for any a whatta? I suppose you meant if you can use. In that case just read the thread, someone has already answered your question misunderstanding of godwin's law, i'm equally open to edification. well I came across and glanced at godwin's law somewhere on the net about 3-6 years ago and yet I can still remember that it states that if someone deliberately mentions nazis/hitler to end the thread then it doesnt count. ie no haha you guys are all nazis so you must end this thread now. leo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slow Win2k after Debian install
On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 03:53:21AM -0700, ben wrote: On Saturday 05 October 2002 03:36 am, ben wrote: On Saturday 05 October 2002 03:20 am, Peter Whysall wrote: [...] btw, you're (moc)ked return address is more than half way to spam rejection by my very liberal filters. I assume you're talking to Peter. What's wrong with ntl? They're a normal and perfectly legitimate UK ISP. -- Colin Watson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slow Win2k after Debian install
On Thursday 03 October 2002 08:38 pm, Leo Spalteholz wrote: On Sat, 5 Oct 2002 03:36:35 -0700 ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 05 October 2002 03:20 am, Peter Whysall wrote: [snip] Excuse me, but I think that preventing someone from inadvertently nuking their whole Debian installation might have something to do with Debian. do i have to wait for someone else to invoke godwin's law, or is this enough? Godwin's Law is misunderstood, as you quite clearly demonstrate. Regards Peter. if you can the use of any combination of win tools to successfully preserve any non-win installation, i will gladly applaud you. as for any a whatta? I suppose you meant if you can use. In that case just read the thread, someone has already answered your question misunderstanding of godwin's law, i'm equally open to edification. well I came across and glanced at godwin's law somewhere on the net about 3-6 years ago and yet I can still remember that it states that if someone deliberately mentions nazis/hitler to end the thread then it doesnt count. ie no haha you guys are all nazis so you must end this thread now. leo on the first issue, see my interim post on the subject, and, by the way, i hadn't posed a question. on the second, since your post wasn't an intentional invocation and, yet, you did, of your own free will, mention not only nazis but hitler, i declare this thread defunct, in full accordance with godwin's law. ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slow Win2k after Debian install
On Saturday 05 October 2002 04:14 am, Colin Watson wrote: On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 03:53:21AM -0700, ben wrote: On Saturday 05 October 2002 03:36 am, ben wrote: On Saturday 05 October 2002 03:20 am, Peter Whysall wrote: [...] btw, you're (moc)ked return address is more than half way to spam rejection by my very liberal filters. I assume you're talking to Peter. What's wrong with ntl? They're a normal and perfectly legitimate UK ISP. i have no issue with ntl, just with the posted address on peter's email. Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slow Win2k after Debian install
On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 04:38:53AM -0700, ben wrote: On Saturday 05 October 2002 04:14 am, Colin Watson wrote: On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 03:53:21AM -0700, ben wrote: btw, you're (moc)ked return address is more than half way to spam rejection by my very liberal filters. I assume you're talking to Peter. What's wrong with ntl? They're a normal and perfectly legitimate UK ISP. i have no issue with ntl, just with the posted address on peter's email. Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Oh, that. Bleh. I don't see why I should care about sigs, the return address in the headers is perfectly valid. -- Colin Watson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slow Win2k after Debian install
On Saturday 05 October 2002 04:44 am, Colin Watson wrote: On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 04:38:53AM -0700, ben wrote: On Saturday 05 October 2002 04:14 am, Colin Watson wrote: On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 03:53:21AM -0700, ben wrote: btw, you're (moc)ked return address is more than half way to spam rejection by my very liberal filters. I assume you're talking to Peter. What's wrong with ntl? They're a normal and perfectly legitimate UK ISP. i have no issue with ntl, just with the posted address on peter's email. Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Oh, that. Bleh. I don't see why I should care about sigs, the return address in the headers is perfectly valid. i'm not suggesting that you should care. this is the header reference on which my comment was based: Received: from polonius.tranquillity.lan ([10.200.1.2] helo=localhost.localdomain) ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slow Win2k after Debian install
ben wrote: On Saturday 05 October 2002 03:20 am, Peter Whysall wrote: [snip] Excuse me, but I think that preventing someone from inadvertently nuking their whole Debian installation might have something to do with Debian. do i have to wait for someone else to invoke godwin's law, or is this enough? Godwin's Law is misunderstood, as you quite clearly demonstrate. Regards Peter. if you can the use of any combination of win tools to successfully preserve any non-win installation, i will gladly applaud you. as for any misunderstanding of godwin's law, i'm equally open to edification. Godwin's law is not something one can invoke. It merely states that given a thread of sufficient length, the probability that one party will compare the other to Hitler or Nazis approaches 1. When one party deliberately mentions it, and uses the word Nazi, then the situation is abnormal. Perhaps there should be a corollary, vis: As a discussion grows, the likelihood of one party muttering about Godwin's Law also approaches 1. Refer to: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/Godwin's-Law.html For The Werd. Cheers, Peter. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux sid on i386 and hppa Editor, www.kuro5hin.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Slow Win2k after Debian install
I'm new to GNU/Linux Debian and am having a problem with installing to a
system running Win2k. I've done a lot of reading on the dual-boot subject
but haven't seen anything to make me believe there's anything wrong with my
setup. Basically, my partitions looked like this:
Primary: C: / hda1
Primary, extended {
D: / hda5
E: / hda6
F: / hda7
G: / hda8}
hda8 was fairly large and mostly unused so I deleted it using partition
magic in DOS and created hda8, 9 10 (for /, /home swap) using cfdisk.
Debian installed just fine :-) and i made a boot disk in the meantime
(rather than installing lilo) with the aim of dd'ing the bootsector to c:
and using winboot (or whatever they call it) for switching, at least until I
figure out lilo.conf.
The problem occurred when i booted up Windows. It took forever, maybe about
10 minutes with lots of disk activity, and when it had booted explorer was
slw; not annoyingly slow, catastrophicly slow, taking 2 minutes to show
a context menu. hda8/9/10 now showed up in Windows as Local Disk G:,
filesystem type unknown, and it became clear that the problem only occurs
when explorer needs to show G: in MyComputer, save dialogs and the like.
I've now deleted the extended partition completely and so can be flexible
with the partitioning scheme. 3 vfat Primary partitions and one extended
for Debian would be acceptable, but I'd like to know what the problem is,
since I've seen similar setups work for other people with no problems and it
seems a bit limiting to not allow Windows and Debian to share the extended
partition.
Any advice or pointers to info would be much appreciated.
Cheers!
Jerry K
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Re: Slow Win2k after Debian install
Jerry,
One thing you may want to try is to use W2K's disk management
tools to delete the last partitioan, i.e. G:, then reboot
so that it is no longer recognized as drive G: in Windows.
That should clear up the problem with Explorer trying to
read the G: drive.
Then you can go ahead and use cfdisk to create partitions in
the unused space and install debian.
BTW, I've had no problems dual booting with W2K using Lilo
installed in the MBR. Just remember to create an entry for
both OS's before rebooting =)
Hope this helps..
Kourosh
On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 06:47:39PM +0100, jerry k wrote:
I'm new to GNU/Linux Debian and am having a problem with installing to a
system running Win2k. I've done a lot of reading on the dual-boot subject
but haven't seen anything to make me believe there's anything wrong with my
setup. Basically, my partitions looked like this:
Primary: C: / hda1
Primary, extended {
D: / hda5
E: / hda6
F: / hda7
G: / hda8}
hda8 was fairly large and mostly unused so I deleted it using partition
magic in DOS and created hda8, 9 10 (for /, /home swap) using cfdisk.
Debian installed just fine :-) and i made a boot disk in the meantime
(rather than installing lilo) with the aim of dd'ing the bootsector to c:
and using winboot (or whatever they call it) for switching, at least until I
figure out lilo.conf.
The problem occurred when i booted up Windows. It took forever, maybe about
10 minutes with lots of disk activity, and when it had booted explorer was
slw; not annoyingly slow, catastrophicly slow, taking 2 minutes to show
a context menu. hda8/9/10 now showed up in Windows as Local Disk G:,
filesystem type unknown, and it became clear that the problem only occurs
when explorer needs to show G: in MyComputer, save dialogs and the like.
I've now deleted the extended partition completely and so can be flexible
with the partitioning scheme. 3 vfat Primary partitions and one extended
for Debian would be acceptable, but I'd like to know what the problem is,
since I've seen similar setups work for other people with no problems and it
seems a bit limiting to not allow Windows and Debian to share the extended
partition.
Any advice or pointers to info would be much appreciated.
Cheers!
Jerry K
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Re: Slow Win2k after Debian install
On approximately Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 06:47:39PM +0100, jerry k wrote:
I'm new to GNU/Linux Debian and am having a problem with installing to a
system running Win2k. I've done a lot of reading on the dual-boot subject
but haven't seen anything to make me believe there's anything wrong with my
setup. Basically, my partitions looked like this:
Primary: C: / hda1
Primary, extended {
D: / hda5
E: / hda6
F: / hda7
G: / hda8}
hda8 was fairly large and mostly unused so I deleted it using partition
magic in DOS and created hda8, 9 10 (for /, /home swap) using cfdisk.
Debian installed just fine :-) and i made a boot disk in the meantime
(rather than installing lilo) with the aim of dd'ing the bootsector to c:
and using winboot (or whatever they call it) for switching, at least until I
figure out lilo.conf.
The problem occurred when i booted up Windows. It took forever, maybe about
10 minutes with lots of disk activity, and when it had booted explorer was
slw; not annoyingly slow, catastrophicly slow, taking 2 minutes to show
a context menu. hda8/9/10 now showed up in Windows as Local Disk G:,
filesystem type unknown, and it became clear that the problem only occurs
when explorer needs to show G: in MyComputer, save dialogs and the like.
I have had a similar problem when dualbooting with XP. The problem is when you
create partitions within Windows Windows thinks that the said partitions are
Windows native so it goes and tries to mount the partitions even though they
have an ext2 filesystem. What you need to do is create the partitions from
within Linux, and Windows will not try to use the partitions anymore.
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Re: Slow Win2k after Debian install
Kourosh wrote: One thing you may want to try is to use W2K's disk management tools to delete the last partitioan, i.e. G:, then reboot so that it is no longer recognized as drive G: in Windows. That should clear up the problem with Explorer trying to read the G: drive. This won't affect the debian data on G:? I'll try it after the base install. It's very annoying having to deal with this kind of thing from windows, i guess it knows i'm trying to ditch it and is playing the jealous lover (stalker, more like!) Thank's! Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slow Win2k after Debian install
On Friday 04 October 2002 19:47, jerry k wrote:
# I'm new to GNU/Linux Debian and am having a problem with installing to a
# system running Win2k. I've done a lot of reading on the dual-boot subject
# but haven't seen anything to make me believe there's anything wrong with my
# setup. Basically, my partitions looked like this:
#
# Primary: C: / hda1
# Primary, extended {
# D: / hda5
# E: / hda6
# F: / hda7
# G: / hda8}
#
# hda8 was fairly large and mostly unused so I deleted it using partition
# magic in DOS and created hda8, 9 10 (for /, /home swap) using cfdisk.
# Debian installed just fine :-) and i made a boot disk in the meantime
# (rather than installing lilo) with the aim of dd'ing the bootsector to c:
# and using winboot (or whatever they call it) for switching, at least until
I # figure out lilo.conf.
#
# The problem occurred when i booted up Windows. It took forever, maybe
about # 10 minutes with lots of disk activity, and when it had booted
explorer was # slw; not annoyingly slow, catastrophicly slow, taking 2
minutes to show # a context menu. hda8/9/10 now showed up in Windows as
Local Disk G:, # filesystem type unknown, and it became clear that the
problem only occurs # when explorer needs to show G: in MyComputer, save
dialogs and the like. #
# I've now deleted the extended partition completely and so can be flexible
# with the partitioning scheme. 3 vfat Primary partitions and one extended
# for Debian would be acceptable, but I'd like to know what the problem is,
# since I've seen similar setups work for other people with no problems and
it # seems a bit limiting to not allow Windows and Debian to share the
extended # partition.
#
# Any advice or pointers to info would be much appreciated.
#
# Cheers!
#
# Jerry K
#
#
#
Hi
I have encountered the same problem, I have some partition changes done in
linux (for now other than debian) and since then my w2k became also slow,
also REALLY slow. So I think there's a problem with the w2k partition
identification, it is maybe more advanced than in w98. In my case I was
forced to delete my win, because it became unusable. But I would advice to
have a closer look at the way w2k treats the partitions, and I also figured
out, that when the partition changes are being done in partition magic (or
other win program) there aren't problems concerning the sizes of the
partitions, but once done, they shouldn't be re-resized in linux. The format
doesn't play any role, so I suggest do the partitions in win (or in linux and
then reinstall win:) and format them in appropriate format which You like.
Just some observed facts...
Regards
Matej
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Re: Slow Win2k after Debian install
jerry k wrote: I'm new to GNU/Linux Debian and am having a problem with installing to a system running Win2k... You should just get a cheap/free second pc to play with. No need to worry about crashing and reinstalling windoze then. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
