Re: Re: The best way to install inkscape 1.0 on Debian stable

[A_Man_Without_Clue]

On 3/6/21 11:09 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 05 March 2021 20:43:10 A_Man_Without_Clue wrote:
> 
>> On 3/5/21 10:58 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> On Friday 05 March 2021 03:08:00 Alex Mestiashvili wrote:
 On 3/5/21 9:02 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> What is the best way to install the latest version of the inkscape
> on Buster?
>
> Buster installs inkscape 0.9 and I still encounter lots of bugs
> with it. I would like to try the latest but what is the best way
> to install newest version? Download .deb file?

 They provide appimage, just download and run it.
>>>
>>> Which works, but I just now looked at .profile, and found that when
>>> I looked at my $PATH, AppImage was not being added. I had several
>>> months ago, created a $HOME/AppImages directory to store them in.
>>>
>>> It worked well for that, but wasn't being added to my $PATH. Seem
>>> like it might be handy if it was.
>>>
>>> It was easier to add the missing 's' those two places in my .profile
>>> than it was to fix all the links that would need to be fixed as I
>>> have plural AppImages in that location now..
>>>
>>> Now any bash shell that doesn't have the right $PATH seems to be
>>> fixable by a ". $HOME/.profile".
>>>
>>> Those of you with multiple users might want to become root and fix
>>> the copy in /etc/skel so new users are also blessed. But you'll need
>>> to add the whole if/fi stanza to it. It was missing in my copy here.
>>> And I just checked a buster install, which didn't have it.
>>>
>>> Was there a valid reason its not? Or is the idea too new?
>>>
>>> Cheers, Gene Heskett
>>
>> Well, thanks all.
>> I have tried appimage for the first time, it launched but obviously
>> there is something wrong with my system other than inkscape itself, so
>> I have to figure out what that is first.
>>
> You are correct, as an appimage, it fails to open anything, logging this 
> to the konsole window as it dies:
> gene@coyote:~$ inkscape
> Setting _INKSCAPE_GC=disable as a workaround for broken libgc
> Run experimental bundle that bundles everything
> 
> (process:1082): Gtk-WARNING **: 20:50:28.589: Locale not supported by C 
> library.
> Using the fallback 'C' locale.
> 
> (here I clicked on the open button)
> 
> (org.inkscape.Inkscape:1082): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: 20:51:17.953: Settings 
> schema 'org.gtk.Settings.FileChooser' does not contain a key 
> named 'show-type-column'
> Trace/breakpoint trap
> gene@coyote:~$
>  
> 
> So while this thread may be solved, now we have a new problem. Anybody 
> have a clue?   Sounds like my gtk is too old, (this is still stretch) 
> but its supposed to be an AppImage. I don't believe it qualifies for 
> that label, so I'd fuss at the inkscape folks. But I don't have a dog in 
> this fight, and a 1920x1040 screen full of mailing lists already.
> 
>> For now, I mark this thread as "Solved".
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> A Man Without any Clue
> 
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> 


Ok,

I tried to install the flatpak for the first time and it works.

I do not know what is the deal with the faltpak, but I just followed the
instruction t o install and run and seems it is running without any
problems.

I was about to update the Flacon and found there is something wrong with
their release key so was searching the solution. Flacon also provide
faltpak version and it says that is the way they recommend (Now, is that
really true?) to install packages so I gave it to try.

A.M.W.C.

Re: Re: The best way to install inkscape 1.0 on Debian stable

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 05 March 2021 20:43:10 A_Man_Without_Clue wrote:

> On 3/5/21 10:58 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Friday 05 March 2021 03:08:00 Alex Mestiashvili wrote:
> >> On 3/5/21 9:02 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote:
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> What is the best way to install the latest version of the inkscape
> >>> on Buster?
> >>>
> >>> Buster installs inkscape 0.9 and I still encounter lots of bugs
> >>> with it. I would like to try the latest but what is the best way
> >>> to install newest version? Download .deb file?
> >>
> >> They provide appimage, just download and run it.
> >
> > Which works, but I just now looked at .profile, and found that when
> > I looked at my $PATH, AppImage was not being added. I had several
> > months ago, created a $HOME/AppImages directory to store them in.
> >
> > It worked well for that, but wasn't being added to my $PATH. Seem
> > like it might be handy if it was.
> >
> > It was easier to add the missing 's' those two places in my .profile
> > than it was to fix all the links that would need to be fixed as I
> > have plural AppImages in that location now..
> >
> > Now any bash shell that doesn't have the right $PATH seems to be
> > fixable by a ". $HOME/.profile".
> >
> > Those of you with multiple users might want to become root and fix
> > the copy in /etc/skel so new users are also blessed. But you'll need
> > to add the whole if/fi stanza to it. It was missing in my copy here.
> > And I just checked a buster install, which didn't have it.
> >
> > Was there a valid reason its not? Or is the idea too new?
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> Well, thanks all.
> I have tried appimage for the first time, it launched but obviously
> there is something wrong with my system other than inkscape itself, so
> I have to figure out what that is first.
>
You are correct, as an appimage, it fails to open anything, logging this 
to the konsole window as it dies:
gene@coyote:~$ inkscape
Setting _INKSCAPE_GC=disable as a workaround for broken libgc
Run experimental bundle that bundles everything

(process:1082): Gtk-WARNING **: 20:50:28.589: Locale not supported by C 
library.
Using the fallback 'C' locale.

(here I clicked on the open button)

(org.inkscape.Inkscape:1082): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: 20:51:17.953: Settings 
schema 'org.gtk.Settings.FileChooser' does not contain a key 
named 'show-type-column'
Trace/breakpoint trap
gene@coyote:~$ 

So while this thread may be solved, now we have a new problem. Anybody 
have a clue?   Sounds like my gtk is too old, (this is still stretch) 
but its supposed to be an AppImage. I don't believe it qualifies for 
that label, so I'd fuss at the inkscape folks. But I don't have a dog in 
this fight, and a 1920x1040 screen full of mailing lists already.

> For now, I mark this thread as "Solved".
>
> Thank you.
>
> A Man Without any Clue


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: The best way to install inkscape 1.0 on Debian stable

[A_Man_Without_Clue]

On 3/5/21 10:58 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 05 March 2021 03:08:00 Alex Mestiashvili wrote:
> 
>> On 3/5/21 9:02 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> What is the best way to install the latest version of the inkscape
>>> on Buster?
>>>
>>> Buster installs inkscape 0.9 and I still encounter lots of bugs with
>>> it. I would like to try the latest but what is the best way to
>>> install newest version? Download .deb file?
>>
>> They provide appimage, just download and run it.
> 
> Which works, but I just now looked at .profile, and found that when I 
> looked at my $PATH, AppImage was not being added. I had several months 
> ago, created a $HOME/AppImages directory to store them in.
> 
> It worked well for that, but wasn't being added to my $PATH. Seem like it 
> might be handy if it was. 
> 
> It was easier to add the missing 's' those two places in my .profile than 
> it was to fix all the links that would need to be fixed as I have plural 
> AppImages in that location now..
> 
> Now any bash shell that doesn't have the right $PATH seems to be fixable 
> by a ". $HOME/.profile".
> 
> Those of you with multiple users might want to become root and fix the 
> copy in /etc/skel so new users are also blessed. But you'll need to add 
> the whole if/fi stanza to it. It was missing in my copy here. And I just 
> checked a buster install, which didn't have it.
> 
> Was there a valid reason its not? Or is the idea too new?
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> 


Well, thanks all.
I have tried appimage for the first time, it launched but obviously
there is something wrong with my system other than inkscape itself, so I
have to figure out what that is first.

For now, I mark this thread as "Solved".

Thank you.

A Man Without any Clue

Re: The best way to install inkscape 1.0 on Debian stable

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 05 March 2021 10:52:11 Greg Wooledge wrote:

> Gene Heskett (ghesk...@shentel.net) wrote:
> > On Friday 05 March 2021 03:08:00 Alex Mestiashvili wrote:
> > > They provide appimage, just download and run it.
> >
> > Which works, but I just now looked at .profile, and found that when
> > I looked at my $PATH, AppImage was not being added. I had several
> > months ago, created a $HOME/AppImages directory to store them in.
>
> When using upstream software, it's your responsibility to configure
> your shell the way you need, or to set up symlinks.
>
> I don't know anything about inkscape or AppImage, but let's say you've
> installed this inkscape thing under /opt/inkscape.  Let's also say it
> has exactly one user-invokable program, /opt/inkscape/bin/inkscape,
> and that you would like to be able to run it by typing "inkscape" in
> your shell.
>
> In that (extremely common) situation, you have two ways to proceed:
>
> 1) Adjust your dot files so that /opt/inkscape/bin is added to your
> PATH environment variable.
>
> 2) Create a symbolic link from /usr/local/bin/inkscape to
>/opt/inkscape/bin/inkscape.
>
> Number 1 can be done without root privileges, but is *so* freaking
> hard to explain to people because of all the utterly batshit insane
> ways that people can login nowadays.  There is no way to give
> instructions that will work for every Debian user.
>
> Number 2 is simpler, and will make the program available to all users
> on the system, but requires root privileges to enact.
>
> If this $HOME/AppImages thing is like a personal /opt directory, then
> choice number 2 for this situation would be to make the symlink from
> $HOME/bin to $HOME/AppImages/whatever/inkscape.  This presumes that
> you've already managed to configure your login so that $HOME/bin is
> in your shell's PATH.  This is the default for Debian console logins
> (due to /etc/skel/.profile), but may not be the case for various
> Display Manager logins.

As you so eloquently say, batshit ways. I'll argue that mine is in that 
list since you didn't find fault with it. :)

In my case, tde.login, and I am user 1000. I do have other users in the 
home dir, but they are sandboxes, or jails to build nut or amanda in, 
however you want to classify them. 

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: The best way to install inkscape 1.0 on Debian stable

[Greg Wooledge]

Gene Heskett (ghesk...@shentel.net) wrote:
> On Friday 05 March 2021 03:08:00 Alex Mestiashvili wrote:
> > They provide appimage, just download and run it.
> 
> Which works, but I just now looked at .profile, and found that when I 
> looked at my $PATH, AppImage was not being added. I had several months 
> ago, created a $HOME/AppImages directory to store them in.

When using upstream software, it's your responsibility to configure your
shell the way you need, or to set up symlinks.

I don't know anything about inkscape or AppImage, but let's say you've
installed this inkscape thing under /opt/inkscape.  Let's also say it
has exactly one user-invokable program, /opt/inkscape/bin/inkscape, and
that you would like to be able to run it by typing "inkscape" in your
shell.

In that (extremely common) situation, you have two ways to proceed:

1) Adjust your dot files so that /opt/inkscape/bin is added to your PATH
   environment variable.

2) Create a symbolic link from /usr/local/bin/inkscape to
   /opt/inkscape/bin/inkscape.

Number 1 can be done without root privileges, but is *so* freaking hard
to explain to people because of all the utterly batshit insane ways
that people can login nowadays.  There is no way to give instructions
that will work for every Debian user.

Number 2 is simpler, and will make the program available to all users
on the system, but requires root privileges to enact.

If this $HOME/AppImages thing is like a personal /opt directory, then
choice number 2 for this situation would be to make the symlink from
$HOME/bin to $HOME/AppImages/whatever/inkscape.  This presumes that
you've already managed to configure your login so that $HOME/bin is
in your shell's PATH.  This is the default for Debian console logins
(due to /etc/skel/.profile), but may not be the case for various Display
Manager logins.

Re: The best way to install inkscape 1.0 on Debian stable

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 05 March 2021 03:08:00 Alex Mestiashvili wrote:

> On 3/5/21 9:02 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > What is the best way to install the latest version of the inkscape
> > on Buster?
> >
> > Buster installs inkscape 0.9 and I still encounter lots of bugs with
> > it. I would like to try the latest but what is the best way to
> > install newest version? Download .deb file?
>
> They provide appimage, just download and run it.

Which works, but I just now looked at .profile, and found that when I 
looked at my $PATH, AppImage was not being added. I had several months 
ago, created a $HOME/AppImages directory to store them in.

It worked well for that, but wasn't being added to my $PATH. Seem like it 
might be handy if it was. 

It was easier to add the missing 's' those two places in my .profile than 
it was to fix all the links that would need to be fixed as I have plural 
AppImages in that location now..

Now any bash shell that doesn't have the right $PATH seems to be fixable 
by a ". $HOME/.profile".

Those of you with multiple users might want to become root and fix the 
copy in /etc/skel so new users are also blessed. But you'll need to add 
the whole if/fi stanza to it. It was missing in my copy here. And I just 
checked a buster install, which didn't have it.

Was there a valid reason its not? Or is the idea too new?

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: The best way to install inkscape 1.0 on Debian stable

[Alex Mestiashvili]

On 3/5/21 9:02 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote:

Hi all,

What is the best way to install the latest version of the inkscape on
Buster?

Buster installs inkscape 0.9 and I still encounter lots of bugs with it.
I would like to try the latest but what is the best way to install
newest version? Download .deb file?



They provide appimage, just download and run it.

Re: The best way to install inkscape 1.0 on Debian stable

[Sven Joachim]

On 2021-03-05 17:02 +0900, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote:

> What is the best way to install the latest version of the inkscape on
> Buster?
>
> Buster installs inkscape 0.9 and I still encounter lots of bugs with it.
> I would like to try the latest but what is the best way to install
> newest version? Download .deb file?

Install inkscape from the buster-backports repository, which you might
have to enable first.

https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/

Cheers,
   Sven

The best way to install inkscape 1.0 on Debian stable

[A_Man_Without_Clue]

Hi all,

What is the best way to install the latest version of the inkscape on
Buster?

Buster installs inkscape 0.9 and I still encounter lots of bugs with it.
I would like to try the latest but what is the best way to install
newest version? Download .deb file?