Re: USR 5633 Robotics Modem in Debian
Camaleón wrote: But be prepared for the worst, USB modems can be very difficult to support in linux if the manufacturer did not provide the drivers nor specifications. In this regard, old serial modems are much better than USB ones (no drivers needed) ;-( This is less the case now than it was 5 to 10 years ago. Now there are at least two USB modems from different manufacturors that advertise linux support in their literature and work using the kernel's ACM driver. TRENDnet TFM-561U USRobotics USR5637 (And one that advertises linux support but requires the manufacturer's driver, which I did not try as it's unlikely to work on arm.) Since there are fewer modem users these days, and the remaining ones are probably unlikely to be linux users, the old information about USB modems not working in linux lingers where searches can find it. But, a targeted search for a particular model before buying can generally tell if it will work. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: USR 5633 Robotics Modem in Debian
On Sat, 28 May 2011 12:57:51 -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Camaleón wrote: But be prepared for the worst, USB modems can be very difficult to support in linux if the manufacturer did not provide the drivers nor specifications. In this regard, old serial modems are much better than USB ones (no drivers needed) ;-( This is less the case now than it was 5 to 10 years ago. Now there are at least two USB modems from different manufacturors that advertise linux support in their literature and work using the kernel's ACM driver. Yes, there are a exceptions. Also, some pure softmodems work with slmodem driver. TRENDnet TFM-561U USRobotics USR5637 (And one that advertises linux support but requires the manufacturer's driver, which I did not try as it's unlikely to work on arm.) Sadly sometimes you are stuck with the modem you already have and cannot replace it. In a perfect world, one could choose the best modem for his needs. Since there are fewer modem users these days, and the remaining ones are probably unlikely to be linux users, the old information about USB modems not working in linux lingers where searches can find it. But, a targeted search for a particular model before buying can generally tell if it will work. We, at the office, have five of those hardware-based modems (rs-232) and one Eicon card (isdn, PCI based), we use them for faxing along with HylaFAX so dial-up modems still have their use. And I would not change none of those serial modems for a new one featuring USB (I find the serial port more reliable than USB) :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.05.28.18.37...@gmail.com
Re: USR 5633 Robotics Modem in Debian
On Wed, 25 May 2011 20:43:14 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/25/2011 08:17 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 25 May 2011 07:41:38 -0500, John Hasler wrote: Camaleón writes: How can a modem be both serial (rs-232) and internal By having a UART on the card and appearing to the computer as a serial port. I have several of these in my junkbox (all ISA, though). :-D Yep, but that's a controller-based modem (a PCI card that has the full components to achieve the modem task, all done by hardware), they are not called serial modems. Serial, in this case, just refers to the interface. Those modems (I also had a couple of them back in the day) *are* serial modems. There just wasn't a DE-9 connector on them. (...) I do hope you understand there is a slightly difference between rs-232 and PCI interfaces. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.05.26.11.43...@gmail.com
Re: USR 5633 Robotics Modem in Debian
On 05/26/2011 06:43 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 25 May 2011 20:43:14 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/25/2011 08:17 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 25 May 2011 07:41:38 -0500, John Hasler wrote: Camaleón writes: How can a modem be both serial (rs-232) and internal By having a UART on the card and appearing to the computer as a serial port. I have several of these in my junkbox (all ISA, though). :-D Yep, but that's a controller-based modem (a PCI card that has the full components to achieve the modem task, all done by hardware), they are not called serial modems. Serial, in this case, just refers to the interface. Those modems (I also had a couple of them back in the day) *are* serial modems. There just wasn't a DE-9 connector on them. (...) I do hope you understand there is a slightly difference between rs-232 and PCI interfaces. And I hope you understand that serial doesn't mean RS-232. -- Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dde7c79.6020...@cox.net
Re: USR 5633 Robotics Modem in Debian
On Thu, 26 May 2011 11:14:49 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/26/2011 06:43 AM, Camaleón wrote: (...) Yep, but that's a controller-based modem (a PCI card that has the full components to achieve the modem task, all done by hardware), they are not called serial modems. Serial, in this case, just refers to the interface. Those modems (I also had a couple of them back in the day) *are* serial modems. There just wasn't a DE-9 connector on them. (...) I do hope you understand there is a slightly difference between rs-232 and PCI interfaces. And I hope you understand that serial doesn't mean RS-232. Should you had read the full thread you wouldn't had said that. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.05.26.16.21...@gmail.com
Re: USR 5633 Robotics Modem in Debian
On Tue, 24 May 2011 13:04:14 -0700, Go Linux wrote: --- On Tue, 5/24/11, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: In this regard, old serial modems are much better than USB ones (no drivers needed) ;-( Yes indeed. I have several USRobotics internal serial modems and no problem with Linux. :) How can a modem be both serial (rs-232) and internal (pci/embedded)? I hope you didn't put the modem enclosure inside of your computer's chasis :-P Now seriously, USRobotics has some USB modems that are Linux compatible and there are also a few ones that being PCI/embedded also work with linux, but they're not the norm. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.05.25.10.39...@gmail.com
Re: USR 5633 Robotics Modem in Debian
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 12:39:00PM CEST, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com said: On Tue, 24 May 2011 13:04:14 -0700, Go Linux wrote: --- On Tue, 5/24/11, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: In this regard, old serial modems are much better than USB ones (no drivers needed) ;-( Yes indeed. I have several USRobotics internal serial modems and no problem with Linux. :) How can a modem be both serial (rs-232) and internal (pci/embedded)? I hope you didn't put the modem enclosure inside of your computer's chasis :-P Why not a PCI card appearing to OS as an UART ? But i've nether seen one of these. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110525104137.gd8...@rail.eu.org
Re: USR 5633 Robotics Modem in Debian
On Wed, 25 May 2011 12:41:37 +0200, Erwan David wrote: On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 12:39:00PM CEST, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com said: On Tue, 24 May 2011 13:04:14 -0700, Go Linux wrote: --- On Tue, 5/24/11, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: In this regard, old serial modems are much better than USB ones (no drivers needed) ;-( Yes indeed. I have several USRobotics internal serial modems and no problem with Linux. :) How can a modem be both serial (rs-232) and internal (pci/embedded)? I hope you didn't put the modem enclosure inside of your computer's chasis :-P Why not a PCI card appearing to OS as an UART ? But i've nether seen one of these. A controller-based internal modem will do the job, which is what Go Linux may have referred to :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.05.25.11.39...@gmail.com
Re: USR 5633 Robotics Modem in Debian
Camaleón writes: How can a modem be both serial (rs-232) and internal By having a UART on the card and appearing to the computer as a serial port. I have several of these in my junkbox (all ISA, though). -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87pqn7osu5@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: USR 5633 Robotics Modem in Debian
On Wed, 25 May 2011 07:41:38 -0500, John Hasler wrote: Camaleón writes: How can a modem be both serial (rs-232) and internal By having a UART on the card and appearing to the computer as a serial port. I have several of these in my junkbox (all ISA, though). :-D Yep, but that's a controller-based modem (a PCI card that has the full components to achieve the modem task, all done by hardware), they are not called serial modems. Serial, in this case, just refers to the interface. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.05.25.13.17...@gmail.com
Re: USR 5633 Robotics Modem in Debian
El 2011-05-25 a las 05:59 -0700, Go Linux escribió: --- On Wed, 5/25/11, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: (resending to the list) How can a modem be both serial (rs-232) and internal (pci/embedded)? Check out the USR5610C. ;) Comes up on ttyS1 on Debian. Has worked perfectly for years. http://www.usr.com/support/product-template.asp?prod=5610c Sure, and that's what it is called a controller-based modem but that's not a serial modem if by serial we mean it is connected to the serial (rs-232) port and thus, external ;-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110525130857.ga6...@stt008.linux.site
Re: USR 5633 Robotics Modem in Debian
on 15:32 Tue 24 May, Antonio Cruz (mvc...@enet.cu) wrote: El 5/24/2011 2:06 PM, Sven Hoexter escribió: On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 02:11:12PM -0500, Antonio Cruz wrote: Hi, I'm cuban and I'm new here. Recently I bought a USB Modem (USR 5633 Robotics for dial-out), I'm using Debian Wheezy at home but I don't know how configure it. I used modemmanager but it doesn't work. If anybody can help me I will appreciate it. According to a short google search it looks like this is a 'winmodem' which is not supported by Linux. Hi Sven, Thanks for your answer. But yes, I know that... but I ask if exist any way to use it I can't buy other... I read a How-to for Motorola winmodems... but I didn't found any for USR. I'm asking if anyone knows a way for USR. The only way you'll be able to use it is to set up a computer running Windows, allow it to run the modem, and use that as your Internet gateway. It. Just. Won't. Work. Under. Linux. Full stop. Otherwise: I'd try to swap for cmpatible equipment. Peace. -- Dr. Ed Morbius, Chief Scientist /| Robot Wrangler / Staff Psychologist| When you seek unlimited power Krell Power Systems Unlimited| Go to Krell! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110526010838.ga30...@altaira.krellpowersys.exo
Re: USR 5633 Robotics Modem in Debian
On 05/25/2011 08:17 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 25 May 2011 07:41:38 -0500, John Hasler wrote: Camaleón writes: How can a modem be both serial (rs-232) and internal By having a UART on the card and appearing to the computer as a serial port. I have several of these in my junkbox (all ISA, though). :-D Yep, but that's a controller-based modem (a PCI card that has the full components to achieve the modem task, all done by hardware), they are not called serial modems. Serial, in this case, just refers to the interface. Those modems (I also had a couple of them back in the day) *are* serial modems. There just wasn't a DE-9 connector on them. The cards were compound devices: on the PCI card was serial port circuitry, a 16550A UART and the actual modem chips. -- Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dddb032.60...@cox.net
USR 5633 Robotics Modem in Debian
Hi, I'm cuban and I'm new here. Recently I bought a USB Modem (USR 5633 Robotics for dial-out), I'm using Debian Wheezy at home but I don't know how configure it. I used modemmanager but it doesn't work. If anybody can help me I will appreciate it. acx2 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ddc02d0.3020...@enet.cu
Re: USR 5633 Robotics Modem in Debian
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 02:11:12PM -0500, Antonio Cruz wrote: Hi, I'm cuban and I'm new here. Recently I bought a USB Modem (USR 5633 Robotics for dial-out), I'm using Debian Wheezy at home but I don't know how configure it. I used modemmanager but it doesn't work. If anybody can help me I will appreciate it. According to a short google search it looks like this is a 'winmodem' which is not supported by Linux. Maybe you can find some more information on http://linmodems.org Sven -- And I don't know much, but I do know this: With a golden heart comes a rebel fist. [ Streetlight Manifesto - Here's To Life ] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110524190622.GB14459@marvin
Re: USR 5633 Robotics Modem in Debian
On Tue, 24 May 2011 14:11:12 -0500, Antonio Cruz wrote: I'm cuban and I'm new here. Welcome! :-) Recently I bought a USB Modem (USR 5633 Robotics for dial-out), I'm using Debian Wheezy at home but I don't know how configure it. I used modemmanager but it doesn't work. If anybody can help me I will appreciate it. Google only returns bad news for that modem, it says is not supported at all in linux, sorry :-( But you can still can make some tests, just in case. Open a console and type: tail -f | dmesg Then attach the modem and see if it gets detected and the system assigns a port to it under /dev/ttyUSB0 or /dev/ttyACM0. But be prepared for the worst, USB modems can be very difficult to support in linux if the manufacturer did not provide the drivers nor specifications. In this regard, old serial modems are much better than USB ones (no drivers needed) ;-( Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.05.24.19.20...@gmail.com
Re: USR 5633 Robotics Modem in Debian
Hi Sven, Thanks for your answer. But yes, I know that... but I ask if exist any way to use it I can't buy other... I read a How-to for Motorola winmodems... but I didn't found any for USR. I'm asking if anyone knows a way for USR. Thanks acx2 El 5/24/2011 2:06 PM, Sven Hoexter escribió: On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 02:11:12PM -0500, Antonio Cruz wrote: Hi, I'm cuban and I'm new here. Recently I bought a USB Modem (USR 5633 Robotics for dial-out), I'm using Debian Wheezy at home but I don't know how configure it. I used modemmanager but it doesn't work. If anybody can help me I will appreciate it. According to a short google search it looks like this is a 'winmodem' which is not supported by Linux. Maybe you can find some more information on http://linmodems.org Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ddc15db.90...@enet.cu
Re: USR 5633 Robotics Modem in Debian
Thanks Camaleón, I will try that... El 5/24/2011 2:20 PM, Camaleón escribió: On Tue, 24 May 2011 14:11:12 -0500, Antonio Cruz wrote: I'm cuban and I'm new here. Welcome! :-) Recently I bought a USB Modem (USR 5633 Robotics for dial-out), I'm using Debian Wheezy at home but I don't know how configure it. I used modemmanager but it doesn't work. If anybody can help me I will appreciate it. Google only returns bad news for that modem, it says is not supported at all in linux, sorry :-( But you can still can make some tests, just in case. Open a console and type: tail -f | dmesg Then attach the modem and see if it gets detected and the system assigns a port to it under /dev/ttyUSB0 or /dev/ttyACM0. But be prepared for the worst, USB modems can be very difficult to support in linux if the manufacturer did not provide the drivers nor specifications. In this regard, old serial modems are much better than USB ones (no drivers needed) ;-( Greetings, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ddc1640.5000...@enet.cu
Re: USR 5633 Robotics Modem in Debian
--- On Tue, 5/24/11, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: From: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com Subject: Re: USR 5633 Robotics Modem in Debian To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 2:20 PM In this regard, old serial modems are much better than USB ones (no drivers needed) ;-( Yes indeed. I have several USRobotics internal serial modems and no problem with Linux. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/620179.95033...@web59513.mail.ac4.yahoo.com
