Re: Upgrade Deb 7 to 8, GNOME Flashback, terminal windows not saved: any way to save?

[Adam Wilson]

On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 12:49:36 +0100
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> On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 07:51:16AM -0400, Tom Browder wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> > ...
> > > Sorry, I should get to the end before I respond!
> > 
> > That's okay, Lisi, I do that, too, especially when trying to work
> > e-mail with a tablet.
> > 
> > And this gives me a chance to elucidate on my situation. I have
> > liked and used Debian for at least 10 years (after 10+ years with
> > Yggdrasil, Redhat, Fedora), but, as GNOME 2 was giving way to GMOE
> > 3 (ugh) [...]
> 
> Similar here, with different outcome. After a short affair with XFCE
> (and having seen that all are moving towards "desktop", willy-nilly
> replacing library interfaces with DBUS and similar horrors) I ditched
> desktop altogether.
> 
> > SHAMELESS PLUG: Please keep MATE as part of Deb 9..*!!
> 
> My significant one is on MATE (after I told her to try Gnome 3 and she
> nearly threw the computer at me[1] ;-) so I have an interest in a
> working MATE too. Although for me personally it's already far too
> Rube Goldberg.

How so?


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Re: Upgrade Deb 7 to 8, GNOME Flashback, terminal windows not saved: any way to save?

[Adam Wilson]

On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 10:23:15 +
Lisi Reisz  wrote:

> On Monday 21 March 2016 16:21:52 Tom Browder wrote:
> > I remember that now.  So is there any way to drop back to using
> > GNOME Classic as in Deb 7?
> >
> > If not, are there any other reasonable, debian-packaged, desktop
> > environments that provide auto-saved terminals?
> 
> How about MATE?  As a non-GNOME-user I don't know any specifics, but
> it is supposed to have carried on most of GNOME2.

Correction: *all* of GNOME 2. In essence.


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Re: Upgrade Deb 7 to 8, GNOME Flashback, terminal windows not saved: any way to save?

[Adam Wilson]

On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 12:21:52 -0400
Tom Browder  wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Sven Arvidsson  wrote:
> > On Mon, 2016-03-21 at 11:26 -0400, Tom Browder wrote:
> >> I just upgraded and am disappointed that, even though browser
> >> instances can be saved between login sessions, terminal windows
> >> apparently can't.
> >>
> >> I have used the gconf editor and found setting:
> >>
> >>   apps | gnome-session | options | auto_save_session
> >>
> >> which is checked, but the terminals still disappear after logging
> >> out and logging back in.
> >>
> >> Is there any way to recover that most valuable feature of the old
> >> GNOME desktop?
> >
> > AFAICT, Nope.
> >
> > See https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704676
> 
> I remember that now.  So is there any way to drop back to using GNOME
> Classic as in Deb 7?

Debian 7 did not have GNOME classic. It had GNOME "Classic Mode" (GNOME
3 thinly disguised as GNOME 2) but that is not the same thing.

> If not, are there any other reasonable, debian-packaged, desktop
> environments that provide auto-saved terminals?

MATE is a fork of GNOME 2. It is virtually identical to the GNOME we
all loved (although sadly I came to the free world too late to
experience it; Debian 7 was my first GNU distribution).

It is available for Debian 8, and in backports for 7.

> So sad, UI design following faddish, short-lived form over function,
> just like the fashion industry: the emperor has no clothes!

Agreed. GNOME 3 is style over substance, 100%.

You have two options: use Debian 8 with MATE or Debian 6 with GNOME. I
would opt for the former.


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Re: Upgrade Deb 7 to 8, GNOME Flashback, terminal windows not saved: any way to save?

[tomas]

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On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 07:51:16AM -0400, Tom Browder wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> ...
> > Sorry, I should get to the end before I respond!
> 
> That's okay, Lisi, I do that, too, especially when trying to work
> e-mail with a tablet.
> 
> And this gives me a chance to elucidate on my situation. I have liked
> and used Debian for at least 10 years (after 10+ years with Yggdrasil,
> Redhat, Fedora), but, as GNOME 2 was giving way to GMOE 3 (ugh) [...]

Similar here, with different outcome. After a short affair with XFCE
(and having seen that all are moving towards "desktop", willy-nilly
replacing library interfaces with DBUS and similar horrors) I ditched
desktop altogether.

> SHAMELESS PLUG: Please keep MATE as part of Deb 9..*!!

My significant one is on MATE (after I told her to try Gnome 3 and she
nearly threw the computer at me[1] ;-) so I have an interest in a working
MATE too. Although for me personally it's already far too Rube Goldberg.

regards

[1] Everyone is entitled to her own judgment, I thought. Perhaps it's
   just me, averse to change, I thought.

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Re: Upgrade Deb 7 to 8, GNOME Flashback, terminal windows not saved: any way to save?

[Tom Browder]

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
...
> Sorry, I should get to the end before I respond!

That's okay, Lisi, I do that, too, especially when trying to work
e-mail with a tablet.

And this gives me a chance to elucidate on my situation. I have liked
and used Debian for at least 10 years (after 10+ years with Yggdrasil,
Redhat, Fedora), but, as GNOME 2 was giving way to GMOE 3 (ugh), I
tried some of the Debian-like distros like Mint but didn't like them.
Finally, default Deb 8 I thought was the end for me, but Mate has
allowed me to keep my old desktop the way I want it and still keep
using a current Debian, so I am happy for now.

SHAMELESS PLUG: Please keep MATE as part of Deb 9..*!!

BTW, so far I have upgraded two hosts remotely and they went pretty
much flawlessly (I have used in-place upgrade on one server
successfully since Deb 5, and the upgrade process keeps getting better
and better).  I still have to upgrade my two laptops, but I'm going to
wait until I'm completely happy with the other two machines.

Best regards,

-Tom

Re: Upgrade Deb 7 to 8, GNOME Flashback, terminal windows not saved: any way to save?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Monday 21 March 2016 16:26:59 Tom Browder wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Tom Browder  wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Sven Arvidsson  wrote:
> >> On Mon, 2016-03-21 at 11:26 -0400, Tom Browder wrote:
> >>> I just upgraded and am disappointed that, even though browser
> >>> instances can be saved between login sessions, terminal windows
> >>> apparently can't.
>
> ...
>
> > If not, are there any other reasonable, debian-packaged, desktop
> > environments that provide auto-saved terminals?
>
> Ah, it looks like I can try MATE.
>
> -Tom

Sorry, I should get to the end before I respond!

Lisi

Re: Upgrade Deb 7 to 8, GNOME Flashback, terminal windows not saved: any way to save?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Monday 21 March 2016 16:21:52 Tom Browder wrote:
> I remember that now.  So is there any way to drop back to using GNOME
> Classic as in Deb 7?
>
> If not, are there any other reasonable, debian-packaged, desktop
> environments that provide auto-saved terminals?

How about MATE?  As a non-GNOME-user I don't know any specifics, but it is 
supposed to have carried on most of GNOME2.

Lisi

[SOLVED] Re: Upgrade Deb 7 to 8, GNOME Flashback, terminal windows not saved: any way to save?

[Tom Browder]

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Tom Browder  wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Tom Browder  wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Sven Arvidsson  wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2016-03-21 at 11:26 -0400, Tom Browder wrote:
 I just upgraded and am disappointed that, even though browser
 instances can be saved between login sessions, terminal windows
 apparently can't.
> ...
>> If not, are there any other reasonable, debian-packaged, desktop
>> environments that provide auto-saved terminals?
>
> Ah, it looks like I can try MATE.

Okay, I can live with MATE (so far), consider my question SOLVED.

Best regards,

-Tom

Re: Upgrade Deb 7 to 8, GNOME Flashback, terminal windows not saved: any way to save?

[Tom Browder]

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Tom Browder  wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Sven Arvidsson  wrote:
>> On Mon, 2016-03-21 at 11:26 -0400, Tom Browder wrote:
>>> I just upgraded and am disappointed that, even though browser
>>> instances can be saved between login sessions, terminal windows
>>> apparently can't.
...
> If not, are there any other reasonable, debian-packaged, desktop
> environments that provide auto-saved terminals?

Ah, it looks like I can try MATE.

-Tom

Re: Upgrade Deb 7 to 8, GNOME Flashback, terminal windows not saved: any way to save?

[Tom Browder]

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Sven Arvidsson  wrote:
> On Mon, 2016-03-21 at 11:26 -0400, Tom Browder wrote:
>> I just upgraded and am disappointed that, even though browser
>> instances can be saved between login sessions, terminal windows
>> apparently can't.
>>
>> I have used the gconf editor and found setting:
>>
>>   apps | gnome-session | options | auto_save_session
>>
>> which is checked, but the terminals still disappear after logging out
>> and logging back in.
>>
>> Is there any way to recover that most valuable feature of the old
>> GNOME desktop?
>
> AFAICT, Nope.
>
> See https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704676

I remember that now.  So is there any way to drop back to using GNOME
Classic as in Deb 7?

If not, are there any other reasonable, debian-packaged, desktop
environments that provide auto-saved terminals?

So sad, UI design following faddish, short-lived form over function,
just like the fashion industry: the emperor has no clothes!

Best regards,

-Tom

Re: Upgrade Deb 7 to 8, GNOME Flashback, terminal windows not saved: any way to save?

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Mon, 2016-03-21 at 11:26 -0400, Tom Browder wrote:
> I just upgraded and am disappointed that, even though browser
> instances can be saved between login sessions, terminal windows
> apparently can't.
> 
> I have used the gconf editor and found setting:
> 
>   apps | gnome-session | options | auto_save_session
> 
> which is checked, but the terminals still disappear after logging out
> and logging back in.
> 
> Is there any way to recover that most valuable feature of the old
> GNOME desktop?

AFAICT, Nope.

See https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704676

-- 
Cheers,
Sven Arvidsson
http://www.whiz.se
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Upgrade Deb 7 to 8, GNOME Flashback, terminal windows not saved: any way to save?

[Tom Browder]

I just upgraded and am disappointed that, even though browser
instances can be saved between login sessions, terminal windows
apparently can't.

I have used the gconf editor and found setting:

  apps | gnome-session | options | auto_save_session

which is checked, but the terminals still disappear after logging out
and logging back in.

Is there any way to recover that most valuable feature of the old GNOME desktop?

Thanks.

Best regards,

-Tom