Re: Will firefox-esr move to version 102 in bullseye?
On Sat, 2022-09-24 at 20:36 +0200, Anders Andersson wrote: > Yes, I may have been "lucky" in the sense that I probably already had > the prerequisite libraries installed, and had perhaps already messed > with the required settings. There seem to be two orthogonal components > necessary to get smooth fullscreen video from youtube in firefox: > "Accelerated web page rendering" and "Hardware accelerated video > decoding". 18 months ago, this was working for me after forcing acceleration to be enabled in Firefox config. Then when Debian moved to next ESR it broke, and I spent ages looking at packages and option to try and fix it, without success. I tried Mozilla's Firefox deb package which worked fine, as did the Google Chrome and Vivaldi binaries from them. I now find myself using Debian's Firefox for general browsing, Vivaldi for watching video and Google Chrome exclusively for accessing my Google account services (chat and video meetings). -- Tixy
Re: Will firefox-esr move to version 102 in bullseye?
On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 7:53 PM Tixy wrote: > > On Sat, 2022-09-24 at 18:46 +0100, Tixy wrote: > > On Sat, 2022-09-24 at 18:52 +0200, Anders Andersson wrote: > > [...] > > > What's more, I no longer have to continue my research about > > > hardware-accelerated video playback in the browser which prompted all > > > of this - it just started working automatically after the upgrade. > > > > I just checked and you're right, no more tearing :-) > > Actually, I'm wrong, just ran tearing test video from YouTube and > latest Firefox still tears, will stick with Vivaldi. > > -- > Tixy Yes, I may have been "lucky" in the sense that I probably already had the prerequisite libraries installed, and had perhaps already messed with the required settings. There seem to be two orthogonal components necessary to get smooth fullscreen video from youtube in firefox: "Accelerated web page rendering" and "Hardware accelerated video decoding". For what it's worth, I now get smooth fullscreen 1080p video from youtube with very little CPU load on a state of the art 14 year old CPU and mediocre Radeon RX 460 from 2016 on a 3084x1600 monitor, all on a standard debian stable gnome+wayland+firefox and free drivers (as far as I know!) so it's definitely doable without much tweaking other than having the right packages and maybe one or two settings in firefox.
Re: Will firefox-esr move to version 102 in bullseye?
On Sat, 2022-09-24 at 18:46 +0100, Tixy wrote: > On Sat, 2022-09-24 at 18:52 +0200, Anders Andersson wrote: > [...] > > What's more, I no longer have to continue my research about > > hardware-accelerated video playback in the browser which prompted all > > of this - it just started working automatically after the upgrade. > > I just checked and you're right, no more tearing :-) Actually, I'm wrong, just ran tearing test video from YouTube and latest Firefox still tears, will stick with Vivaldi. -- Tixy
Re: Will firefox-esr move to version 102 in bullseye?
On Sat, 2022-09-24 at 18:52 +0200, Anders Andersson wrote: [...] > What's more, I no longer have to continue my research about > hardware-accelerated video playback in the browser which prompted all > of this - it just started working automatically after the upgrade. I just checked and you're right, no more tearing :-) A year ago I resorted to installing Vivaldi for video watching as that had graphics acceleration that worked with Debian, whereas Debian's browser didn't :-( -- Tixy
Re: Will firefox-esr move to version 102 in bullseye?
Sorry for top-posting, but it makes sense for this summary. As indicated by the replies to my initial email, it is now late September and firefox-esr has moved to version 102 in the stable branch. I just upgraded without even noticing any difference, definitely nothing that broke. What's more, I no longer have to continue my research about hardware-accelerated video playback in the browser which prompted all of this - it just started working automatically after the upgrade. As a "seasoned" linux user I'm not used to things going this smooth, so thanks everyone involved for making this upgrade as painless and invisible as expected from Debian stable. On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 9:13 PM Sven Joachim wrote: > > On 2022-08-24 15:01 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 07:52:44PM +0100, Tixy wrote: > >> Mozilla stops supporting the old ESR a few months after a new one is > >> released [1]. So I assume Debian would ship the new one, certainly at > >> least at the point the old one gets known security vulnerabilities. > >> > >> [1] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-esr-release-cycle > > > > Yes, this is correct. A current timeline seems to be here: > > > > https://wiki.mozilla.org/Release_Management/Calendar > > > > Looking at the ESR column in the first table, 2022-08-23 brought us > > ESR versions 91.13 and 102.2, while 2022-09-20 will have only version > > 102.3. > > > > So, as of Sept. 20th (projected), the 91.x ESR branch will be unsupported, > > and we'll all have to move to the 102.x branch, whether we want it or not. > > For Debian stable, I expect Firefox and Thunderbird to move to the 102 > branch after the next Bullseye point release, scheduled for September > 10[1]. To build them, at least rustc 1.59 is needed, and Bullseye > currently only has version 1.51 (packaged as rustc-mozilla). > > Cheers, >Sven > > > 1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2022/08/msg6.html >
Re: Will firefox-esr move to version 102 in bullseye?
On Wed, 2022-08-24 at 21:13 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: [...] > For Debian stable, I expect Firefox and Thunderbird to move to the 102 > branch after the next Bullseye point release, scheduled for September > 10[1]. To build them, at least rustc 1.59 is needed, and Bullseye > currently only has version 1.51 (packaged as rustc-mozilla). I'm getting deja vu here [1], hopefully we won't be left with an insecure Firefox in Debian this time. [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/12/msg00260.html -- Tixy
Re: Will firefox-esr move to version 102 in bullseye?
On 2022-08-24 15:01 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 07:52:44PM +0100, Tixy wrote: >> Mozilla stops supporting the old ESR a few months after a new one is >> released [1]. So I assume Debian would ship the new one, certainly at >> least at the point the old one gets known security vulnerabilities. >> >> [1] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-esr-release-cycle > > Yes, this is correct. A current timeline seems to be here: > > https://wiki.mozilla.org/Release_Management/Calendar > > Looking at the ESR column in the first table, 2022-08-23 brought us > ESR versions 91.13 and 102.2, while 2022-09-20 will have only version > 102.3. > > So, as of Sept. 20th (projected), the 91.x ESR branch will be unsupported, > and we'll all have to move to the 102.x branch, whether we want it or not. For Debian stable, I expect Firefox and Thunderbird to move to the 102 branch after the next Bullseye point release, scheduled for September 10[1]. To build them, at least rustc 1.59 is needed, and Bullseye currently only has version 1.51 (packaged as rustc-mozilla). Cheers, Sven 1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2022/08/msg6.html
Re: Will firefox-esr move to version 102 in bullseye?
On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 07:52:44PM +0100, Tixy wrote: > Mozilla stops supporting the old ESR a few months after a new one is > released [1]. So I assume Debian would ship the new one, certainly at > least at the point the old one gets known security vulnerabilities. > > [1] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-esr-release-cycle Yes, this is correct. A current timeline seems to be here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Release_Management/Calendar Looking at the ESR column in the first table, 2022-08-23 brought us ESR versions 91.13 and 102.2, while 2022-09-20 will have only version 102.3. So, as of Sept. 20th (projected), the 91.x ESR branch will be unsupported, and we'll all have to move to the 102.x branch, whether we want it or not.
Re: Will firefox-esr move to version 102 in bullseye?
On Wed, 2022-08-24 at 20:13 +0200, Anders Andersson wrote: > While investigating my options for hardware acceleration in the > browser I found a snippet on the debian wiki that I'm trying to parse: > > From: https://wiki.debian.org/Firefox#Hardware_Video_Acceleration > > This is for Debian 11 / Bullseye > > [...] > > firefox-esr is projected to be updated to version 102 sometime in 3Q 2022. > > Normally I would not expect anything in the stable distribution to get > a large update, but I know that firefox has been treated differently > in the past, and the wording in the wiki made me wonder. > Mozilla stops supporting the old ESR a few months after a new one is released [1]. So I assume Debian would ship the new one, certainly at least at the point the old one gets known security vulnerabilities. [1] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-esr-release-cycle -- Tixy
Will firefox-esr move to version 102 in bullseye?
While investigating my options for hardware acceleration in the browser I found a snippet on the debian wiki that I'm trying to parse: From: https://wiki.debian.org/Firefox#Hardware_Video_Acceleration > This is for Debian 11 / Bullseye > [...] > firefox-esr is projected to be updated to version 102 sometime in 3Q 2022. Normally I would not expect anything in the stable distribution to get a large update, but I know that firefox has been treated differently in the past, and the wording in the wiki made me wonder.
