Re: Writing GIFs
--Bob Proulx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (on Wednesday, 11 September 2002, 09:16 PM -0600): Craig Dickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-09-11 10:55:37 -0700]: I realize I am a terrible person for wanting to violate Unisys's patents, but I'm working on a web site that I think will often be visited by people with old browsers (it's the site for the elementary school my daughter attends), so rather than use PNGs, I think I'd be better off with GIFs. I have always prefered jpegs since they load faster. I like that fact that most browsers will show you the image as it downloads and therefore it feels faster to me on slow connections. Don't all browsers support .jpg format? (I really don't know but had always assumed so.) Yes, but then there's the aspect of transparency -- jpegs cannot do transparency; gifs can. This is part of the reason png is seen as a nice format -- it has taken strengths from both jpeg and gif formats. Unfortunately, it doesn't compress as much (in tests I've done, pngs of images tend to be larger than an equivalent jpeg), and older browsers (read Netscape 4, IE 4) don't read them. (Somebody correct me if I'm wrong -- but some of my clients use older versions of each of these browsers and cannot see pngs.) --Matthew -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Writing GIFs
I realize I am a terrible person for wanting to violate Unisys's patents, but I'm working on a web site that I think will often be visited by people with old browsers (it's the site for the elementary school my daughter attends), so rather than use PNGs, I think I'd be better off with GIFs. GIMP 1.2, even with the gimp-nonfree package, seems only to read GIFs, not write them. Does anyone know of a good, free-at-least-as-in-beer Linux program to translate PNGs and/or BMPs to compressed GIFs? If not, I guess I'll have to use Microsoft Photo Editor on Windows... Thanks, Craig -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Writing GIFs
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:55:37 -0700 Craig Dickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I realize I am a terrible person for wanting to violate Unisys's patents, but I'm working on a web site that I think will often be visited by people with old browsers (it's the site for the elementary school my daughter attends), so rather than use PNGs, I think I'd be better off with GIFs. GIMP 1.2, even with the gimp-nonfree package, seems only to read GIFs, not write them. Does anyone know of a good, free-at-least-as-in-beer Linux program to translate PNGs and/or BMPs to compressed GIFs? If not, I guess I'll have to use Microsoft Photo Editor on Windows... Thanks, Craig Actually, Gimp _does_ write .gifs. They just force you to type in the file extension yourself, and then they'll prompt you for the .gif options, including animation and all that. Works great on my Woody machines around here (well, as good as something can when there's a company like Unisys holding a patent on the technology :-). HTH, Jacob - GnuPG Key: 1024D/16377135 In a world without fences, who needs Gates? http://www.linux.org/ msg01828/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Writing GIFs
also sprach Craig Dickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.09.11.1955 +0200]: I realize I am a terrible person for wanting to violate Unisys's patents, but I'm working on a web site that I think will often be visited by people with old browsers (it's the site for the elementary school my daughter attends), so rather than use PNGs, I think I'd be better off with GIFs. GIMP 1.2, even with the gimp-nonfree package, seems only to read GIFs, not write them. Does anyone know of a good, free-at-least-as-in-beer Linux program to translate PNGs and/or BMPs to compressed GIFs? If not, I guess I'll have to use Microsoft Photo Editor on Windows... use gimp to create file.png and then use imagemagick's convert: convert file.png file.gif has the advantage that you get both, png and gif. or has imagemagick's gif support been removed? -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^.*|tr * mailto:; net@madduck core error - bus dumped msg01829/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Writing GIFs
Craig Dickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-09-11 10:55:37 -0700]: I realize I am a terrible person for wanting to violate Unisys's patents, but I'm working on a web site that I think will often be visited by people with old browsers (it's the site for the elementary school my daughter attends), so rather than use PNGs, I think I'd be better off with GIFs. I have always prefered jpegs since they load faster. I like that fact that most browsers will show you the image as it downloads and therefore it feels faster to me on slow connections. Don't all browsers support .jpg format? (I really don't know but had always assumed so.) Bob msg01901/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Writing GIFs
On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 09:16:02PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: Craig Dickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-09-11 10:55:37 -0700]: I realize I am a terrible person for wanting to violate Unisys's patents, but I'm working on a web site that I think will often be visited by people with old browsers (it's the site for the elementary school my daughter attends), so rather than use PNGs, I think I'd be better off with GIFs. I have always prefered jpegs since they load faster. I like that fact that most browsers will show you the image as it downloads and therefore it feels faster to me on slow connections. The JPEG encoding isn't very good for text and line art. If you turn compression on the JPEG to 0, it'll work but then the size would likely be greater than a comparable GIF or PNG. Don't all browsers support .jpg format? (I really don't know but had always assumed so.) Last I checked, lynx and links don't ;-) Remember those alt=BUY THIS NOW!!! attributes for our sight impaired folks as well. -- begin 664 .signature MF5L;E-(Y'(-ID4@/G1E;BYSI`,FUG93P)`@(`@(`@(`@(`@( M`@(`@(`@(`@(`@(`A%FEC($N($UI;QEB`\96=M,D!J',N;F5T /@H` ` end -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
