Re: XDM seem to hang until I reboot. (followup)
Hello all, I wanted to post a followup: The day I posted this information, I had already ran dselect and removed the version of 'xbase' and all its dependencies (xserver, xfnts, fvwm-common, etc) that I had installed via ftp.debian.org. After that, I went back and installed the versions I had on my Debian 1.3.1 MasterCD. Since then, I have remained logged in for the past 2 days without a lockup. I keep trying to kill the server or lockup XDM, by runing all the programs that I did before. The only thing that I have not done, is log-out and log-in several times. I have kept the same window manager, Afterstep. Hopefully these old packages solved my porblem, but I hate to think it might be a bug in the new Debian X packages. ...I will let you know if I find out differently! --Jay Barbee ---Original Message--- Hello all, I am running a Debian 1.3.1 install with the basics for X. I use xdm to login via WinNT/Exceed v5. I have used dftp up update all the X based stuff from ftp.debian.org and I use afterstep as my window manager. What I am having problems with is a lockup or hangup from XDM. If I am running a X session, it is possible to hangup, and I cannot seem to run anything. I cannot click on an XTERM button, or even run xterm if I have a free window up. When I do run a new 'xterm ' from an available window, after a certain time it tells me it cannot write to the display. If I hit the Restart Window Manager, nothing gets returned, but I can still type in the xterm that are already open; xload, xmem seem to update and working okay even in this state. But nothing new can be opened. After all this, if I kill the Exceed session, and reopen. I see my Linux box in the chooser (with correct load), I select the server, but then it sits there. No login screen will ever be returned. I have killed XDM and restarted it. I killed inetd and restarted it. but I cannot get any response out of XDM until I totally reboot the server. Once it has rebooted, all is working again. I do not run X on the console (Diamond Speedstar grin) so I am not sure if this is a problem with an Xserver (I use the default server (VGA or SVGA whatever it is)). Any ideas? Any thoughts? I have since gone back and reinstalled some of the old DEB packages (xbase, fvwm-common, xserver, xfont) from the Master CD v1.3.1, but have not had much time to test it. It happends randomly. It also happends to a friend of mine with a similar config. Thanks for your help, --Jay Barbee -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: XDM seem to hang until I reboot.
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jay Barbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I am having problems with is a lockup or hangup from XDM. If I am running a X session, it is possible to hangup, and I cannot seem to run anything. I cannot click on an XTERM button, or even run xterm if I have a free window up. When I do run a new 'xterm ' from an available window, after a certain time it tells me it cannot write to the display. It sounds to me like you're saying that the X programs which are already running continue to run, but new ones do not start. I've come across a similar problem when using eXceed here; eXceed was running on PC-NFS, which could only handle 16 network connections at a time. When the limit was reached, typing xterm in a shell window would give an error message. NT might have a similar limit. (I'd expect it to be much higher, though.) Are you getting an error message when you type xterm (without an )? How long do you have to wait until you get the error (it might be some minutes)? If there's no error message, what exactly happens when you type xterm? Do you get your prompt back, or do you have to press control-C to get a prompt? Cheers, -- Charles Briscoe-Smith White pages entry, with PGP key: URL:http://alethea.ukc.ac.uk/wp?95cpb4 PGP public keyprint: 74 68 AB 2E 1C 60 22 94 B8 21 2D 01 DE 66 13 E2 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: XDM seem to hang until I reboot.
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jay Barbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I am having problems with is a lockup or hangup from XDM. If I am running a X session, it is possible to hangup, and I cannot seem to run anything. I cannot click on an XTERM button, or even run xterm if I have a free window up. When I do run a new 'xterm ' from an available window, after a certain time it tells me it cannot write to the display. It sounds to me like you're saying that the X programs which are already running continue to run, but new ones do not start. I've come across a similar problem when using eXceed here; eXceed was running on PC-NFS, which could only handle 16 network connections at a time. When the limit was reached, typing xterm in a shell window would give an error message. NT might have a similar limit. (I'd expect it to be much higher, though.) Are you getting an error message when you type xterm (without an )? How long do you have to wait until you get the error (it might be some minutes)? If there's no error message, what exactly happens when you type xterm? Do you get your prompt back, or do you have to press control-C to get a prompt? Cheers, -- Charles Briscoe-Smith White pages entry, with PGP key: URL:http://alethea.ukc.ac.uk/wp?95cpb4 PGP public keyprint: 74 68 AB 2E 1C 60 22 94 B8 21 2D 01 DE 66 13 E2 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
XDM seem to hang until I reboot.
Hello all, I am running a Debian 1.3.1 install with the basics for X. I use xdm to login via WinNT/Exceed v5. I have used dftp up update all the X based stuff from ftp.debian.org and I use afterstep as my window manager. What I am having problems with is a lockup or hangup from XDM. If I am running a X session, it is possible to hangup, and I cannot seem to run anything. I cannot click on an XTERM button, or even run xterm if I have a free window up. When I do run a new 'xterm ' from an available window, after a certain time it tells me it cannot write to the display. If I hit the Restart Window Manager, nothing gets returned, but I can still type in the xterm that are already open; xload, xmem seem to update and working okay even in this state. But nothing new can be opened. After all this, if I kill the Exceed session, and reopen. I see my Linux box in the chooser (with correct load), I select the server, but then it sits there. No login screen will ever be returned. I have killed XDM and restarted it. I killed inetd and restarted it. but I cannot get any response out of XDM until I totally reboot the server. Once it has rebooted, all is working again. I do not run X on the console (Diamond Speedstar grin) so I am not sure if this is a problem with an Xserver (I use the default server (VGA or SVGA whatever it is)). Any ideas? Any thoughts? I have since gone back and reinstalled some of the old DEB packages (xbase, fvwm-common, xserver, xfont) from the Master CD v1.3.1, but have not had much time to test it. It happends randomly. It also happends to a friend of mine with a similar config. Thanks for your help, --Jay Barbee -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: XDM seem to hang until I reboot.
Jay, I am a little confused. If you are running Exceed from an NT box and connecting to debian, then exceed is the xserver. You don't need an xserver on the debian box (or even fonts, for that matter). If you are also using the window manager on debian, then you have to be using single window mode in exceed. I use exceed but I let nt be the window manager. It's a lot simpler and your mouse clicks and movements don't have to go over the network. How about a little more detail on the setup... jim -- From: Jay Barbee[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 8:34 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Cc: The recipient's address is unknown. Subject:XDM seem to hang until I reboot. Hello all, I am running a Debian 1.3.1 install with the basics for X. I use xdm to login via WinNT/Exceed v5. I have used dftp up update all the X based stuff from ftp.debian.org and I use afterstep as my window manager. What I am having problems with is a lockup or hangup from XDM. If I am running a X session, it is possible to hangup, and I cannot seem to run anything. I cannot click on an XTERM button, or even run xterm if I have a free window up. When I do run a new 'xterm ' from an available window, after a certain time it tells me it cannot write to the display. If I hit the Restart Window Manager, nothing gets returned, but I can still type in the xterm that are already open; xload, xmem seem to update and working okay even in this state. But nothing new can be opened. After all this, if I kill the Exceed session, and reopen. I see my Linux box in the chooser (with correct load), I select the server, but then it sits there. No login screen will ever be returned. I have killed XDM and restarted it. I killed inetd and restarted it. but I cannot get any response out of XDM until I totally reboot the server. Once it has rebooted, all is working again. I do not run X on the console (Diamond Speedstar grin) so I am not sure if this is a problem with an Xserver (I use the default server (VGA or SVGA whatever it is)). Any ideas? Any thoughts? I have since gone back and reinstalled some of the old DEB packages (xbase, fvwm-common, xserver, xfont) from the Master CD v1.3.1, but have not had much time to test it. It happends randomly. It also happends to a friend of mine with a similar config. Thanks for your help, --Jay Barbee -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: XDM seem to hang until I reboot.
I am a little confused. If you are running Exceed from an NT box and connecting to debian, then exceed is the xserver. You don't need an xserver on the debian box (or even fonts, for that matter). Humm, let me clearify... I guess I do not need an xserver, but it wants to be installed when you select the xbase. I will try to remove it. Let me see if that helps. If you are also using the window manager on debian, then you have to be using single window mode in exceed. I have exceed setup so that I do see a single root window (which it the backdrop of the xserver, and I have all of my xwindows pop up in that one root window. I can easily minimize it if I don't want to look at X. It has never failed to open exceed and get a list of available XDM servers (there is only one). It is actually exceed's chooser that shows up, not debian's. Once this is selected, they next thing should be the Login screen, that never appears. I use exceed but I let nt be the window manager. It's a lot simpler and your mouse clicks and movements don't have to go over the network. Might be something that I need to look at, but seeing that I do not get anything back makes me think something else is hanging other than the window manager. I will make a note to try that. How about a little more detail on the setup... Most everything should be default. I callup afterstep from the '.xsession' file, and I have made minor modification to .steprc and exceed configuration. Exceed has XDMCP is set to Broadcast and I have the IP of the linux box in the xdmcp.txt host file. I will try removing the Xserver and Xfonts, but if I am not using them in the first place, I am going to assume this will not correct the problem. --Jay -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: XDM seem to hang until I reboot.
Umm... Sounds like you have things setup pretty well. I assume you have allow server reset enabled in the xconfig window mode screen. Never mind, since you are using an external window manager that probably doesn't apply... It appears that xdm does not get your request to be managed. I'll have to do a little research on this mode of xdm. I don't use xdm here at work. Some others do use it with CDE on a dec unix box. I'll give them a call to see how their xdm is set up... jim -- From: Jay Barbee[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 9:30 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Cc: The recipient's address is unknown. Subject:RE: XDM seem to hang until I reboot. I am a little confused. If you are running Exceed from an NT box and connecting to debian, then exceed is the xserver. You don't need an xserver on the debian box (or even fonts, for that matter). Humm, let me clearify... I guess I do not need an xserver, but it wants to be installed when you select the xbase. I will try to remove it. Let me see if that helps. If you are also using the window manager on debian, then you have to be using single window mode in exceed. I have exceed setup so that I do see a single root window (which it the backdrop of the xserver, and I have all of my xwindows pop up in that one root window. I can easily minimize it if I don't want to look at X. It has never failed to open exceed and get a list of available XDM servers (there is only one). It is actually exceed's chooser that shows up, not debian's. Once this is selected, they next thing should be the Login screen, that never appears. I use exceed but I let nt be the window manager. It's a lot simpler and your mouse clicks and movements don't have to go over the network. Might be something that I need to look at, but seeing that I do not get anything back makes me think something else is hanging other than the window manager. I will make a note to try that. How about a little more detail on the setup... Most everything should be default. I callup afterstep from the '.xsession' file, and I have made minor modification to .steprc and exceed configuration. Exceed has XDMCP is set to Broadcast and I have the IP of the linux box in the xdmcp.txt host file. I will try removing the Xserver and Xfonts, but if I am not using them in the first place, I am going to assume this will not correct the problem. --Jay -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: XDM seem to hang until I reboot.
Umm... Sounds like you have things setup pretty well. I assume you have allow server reset enabled in the xconfig window mode screen. Never mind, since you are using an external window manager that probably doesn't apply... It appears that xdm does not get your request to be managed. I'll have to do a little research on this mode of xdm. I don't use xdm here at work. Some others do use it with CDE on a dec unix box. I'll give them a call to see how their xdm is set up... jim Jim, I am not sure about the server reset. If it is a default setting, It is there. I will double check. I believe there is something in it not being about to write to the display. But it is NOT on the exceed side. It is something on the Linux side that is preventing it. Another quark about the Exceed/Linux thing is that Exceed runs off of a SMB share on that linux box. I have had it like this for more than a year when I used Slackware, but only a month or so with debian. I am not sure it has anything to do with it, but I thought I would note it to you. There are several xdm logs that seem to repeat themselves. My only problem is I am not sure if the times correspond to the time it seemed to die. I will look at them and if they are worth anything, I will bounce it to you tonight. While it might appear the XDM does not get my request to be managed, remember that I have had a hangup while actually running a session. What I have open at the time runs fine, however, I cannot open another window or click on any of the buttonbars to do anything. Thanks Jim for your quick response... --Jay Barbee -- From: Jay Barbee[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 9:30 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Cc: The recipient's address is unknown. Subject: RE: XDM seem to hang until I reboot. I am a little confused. If you are running Exceed from an NT box and connecting to debian, then exceed is the xserver. You don't need an xserver on the debian box (or even fonts, for that matter). Humm, let me clearify... I guess I do not need an xserver, but it wants to be installed when you select the xbase. I will try to remove it. Let me see if that helps. If you are also using the window manager on debian, then you have to be using single window mode in exceed. I have exceed setup so that I do see a single root window (which it the backdrop of the xserver, and I have all of my xwindows pop up in that one root window. I can easily minimize it if I don't want to look at X. It has never failed to open exceed and get a list of available XDM servers (there is only one). It is actually exceed's chooser that shows up, not debian's. Once this is selected, they next thing should be the Login screen, that never appears. I use exceed but I let nt be the window manager. It's a lot simpler and your mouse clicks and movements don't have to go over the network. Might be something that I need to look at, but seeing that I do not get anything back makes me think something else is hanging other than the window manager. I will make a note to try that. How about a little more detail on the setup... Most everything should be default. I callup afterstep from the '.xsession' file, and I have made minor modification to .steprc and exceed configuration. Exceed has XDMCP is set to Broadcast and I have the IP of the linux box in the xdmcp.txt host file. I will try removing the Xserver and Xfonts, but if I am not using them in the first place, I am going to assume this will not correct the problem. --Jay -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: XDM seem to hang until I reboot.
Jay, I did some fiddling and made some calls. I found a few quirkey things but don't know if they would affect you. The guys here use xdm-query. At first it gives you an error message about xdm request denied. Then you clear the key field (communications screen - configure) and everything works. That's moot though since you get a session. Sounds now like it is something with the window manager. Sorry I couldn't be more help. I just don't have any experience using those modes. As an aside, the guys over in the cold mill use HWM in single window mode and still run cde!?? I haven't figured that one out yet... Let me know if you find out anything else... jim -- From: Jay Barbee[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 10:02 AM To: Lewis, James M. Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject:RE: XDM seem to hang until I reboot. Umm... Sounds like you have things setup pretty well. I assume you have allow server reset enabled in the xconfig window mode screen. Never mind, since you are using an external window manager that probably doesn't apply... It appears that xdm does not get your request to be managed. I'll have to do a little research on this mode of xdm. I don't use xdm here at work. Some others do use it with CDE on a dec unix box. I'll give them a call to see how their xdm is set up... jim Jim, I am not sure about the server reset. If it is a default setting, It is there. I will double check. I believe there is something in it not being about to write to the display. But it is NOT on the exceed side. It is something on the Linux side that is preventing it. Another quark about the Exceed/Linux thing is that Exceed runs off of a SMB share on that linux box. I have had it like this for more than a year when I used Slackware, but only a month or so with debian. I am not sure it has anything to do with it, but I thought I would note it to you. There are several xdm logs that seem to repeat themselves. My only problem is I am not sure if the times correspond to the time it seemed to die. I will look at them and if they are worth anything, I will bounce it to you tonight. While it might appear the XDM does not get my request to be managed, remember that I have had a hangup while actually running a session. What I have open at the time runs fine, however, I cannot open another window or click on any of the buttonbars to do anything. Thanks Jim for your quick response... --Jay Barbee -- From: Jay Barbee[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 9:30 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Cc: The recipient's address is unknown. Subject: RE: XDM seem to hang until I reboot. I am a little confused. If you are running Exceed from an NT box and connecting to debian, then exceed is the xserver. You don't need an xserver on the debian box (or even fonts, for that matter). Humm, let me clearify... I guess I do not need an xserver, but it wants to be installed when you select the xbase. I will try to remove it. Let me see if that helps. If you are also using the window manager on debian, then you have to be using single window mode in exceed. I have exceed setup so that I do see a single root window (which it the backdrop of the xserver, and I have all of my xwindows pop up in that one root window. I can easily minimize it if I don't want to look at X. It has never failed to open exceed and get a list of available XDM servers (there is only one). It is actually exceed's chooser that shows up, not debian's. Once this is selected, they next thing should be the Login screen, that never appears. I use exceed but I let nt be the window manager. It's a lot simpler and your mouse clicks and movements don't have to go over the network. Might be something that I need to look at, but seeing that I do not get anything back makes me think something else is hanging other than the window manager. I will make a note to try that. How about a little more detail on the setup... Most everything should be default. I callup afterstep from the '.xsession' file, and I have made minor modification to .steprc and exceed configuration. Exceed has XDMCP is set to Broadcast and I have the IP of the linux box in the xdmcp.txt host file. I will try removing the Xserver and Xfonts, but if I am not using them in the first place, I am going to assume this will not correct the problem. --Jay -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
