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*- On 18 Mar, Wayne Topa wrote about Re: help me to undertand GMT time In reply to:Colin Telmer Quoting Colin Telmer([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Jonathan Guthrie wrote: Midnight is hours; there is no 2400 hours - after 23:59:59 it changes to 00:00:00. Midnight is 2400 hours. After 24:00:00 it changes to 00:00:01 I'm as authoritative on this subject as you are, so who's correct? Here's a solid source - from all the bad war movies I've seen over the years, I have heard 0 hundred hours but not 24 hundred hours:) If only I could finish my thesis with such rigour. When I was in the Air Force I remember having to stand fire watch from 2400 to 0400 hrs. Now that was in fact real life, so YMMV. :- Sorry to bring up this tired old subject buty I saw a reference to this FAQ and figured I would bring it up here. http://www.boulder.nist.gov/timefreq/faq/faq.htm#14 I think the National Institute of Standards and Technology might know what it is takling about. -- Brian - Never criticize anybody until you have walked a mile in their shoes, because by that time you will be a mile away and have their shoes. - unknown Mechanical Engineering[EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -
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On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/11/99 11:31:55 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One question: is midnite 2400 hrs or hrs? Or does it matter? Midnight is hours; there is no 2400 hours - after 23:59:59 it changes to 00:00:00. Midnight is 2400 hours. After 24:00:00 it changes to 00:00:01 I'm as authoritative on this subject as you are, so who's correct? -- Jonathan Guthrie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Brokersys +281-895-8101 http://www.brokersys.com/ 12703 Veterans Memorial #106, Houston, TX 77014, USA
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On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Jonathan Guthrie wrote: Midnight is hours; there is no 2400 hours - after 23:59:59 it changes to 00:00:00. Midnight is 2400 hours. After 24:00:00 it changes to 00:00:01 I'm as authoritative on this subject as you are, so who's correct? Here's a solid source - from all the bad war movies I've seen over the years, I have heard 0 hundred hours but not 24 hundred hours:) If only I could finish my thesis with such rigour. -- Colin Telmer, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.telmer.com
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Subject: Re: help me to undertand GMT time Date: Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 04:14:18PM -0500 In reply to:Colin Telmer Quoting Colin Telmer([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Jonathan Guthrie wrote: Midnight is hours; there is no 2400 hours - after 23:59:59 it changes to 00:00:00. Midnight is 2400 hours. After 24:00:00 it changes to 00:00:01 I'm as authoritative on this subject as you are, so who's correct? Here's a solid source - from all the bad war movies I've seen over the years, I have heard 0 hundred hours but not 24 hundred hours:) If only I could finish my thesis with such rigour. -- Colin Telmer, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.telmer.com When I was in the Air Force I remember having to stand fire watch from 2400 to 0400 hrs. Now that was in fact real life, so YMMV. :- -- To the systems programmer, users and applications serve only to provide a test load. ___ Wayne T. Topa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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NO, that was a late Latin thing-- when the Leigons came home from the Frankish territories, they introduced the idea of merde diem, or sh*tty day, the regular Roman couldn't pronounce merde, so it became meri. How's that for folk entymology? :) On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcelo E. Magallon dixit: John Hasler is correct. The point is there is NO 12 am or 12 pm. As he explained, am means 'ante meridiem'. This `meridiem' [ ... ] ¿meridiem? are you sure it's not meridian? or is this the Latin form? I knew I should have never burnt my Latin dictionary... meri diem? Horacio. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Pardon me, but you have obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a damn. email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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John Goerzen writes: By your logic, 12:01 PM is 12 hours and one minute after noon. Can't be, because PM means in the post meridiem half of the day, and 12 hours and 1 minute after noon is in the ante meridiem half of the next day. Thus it works for those who do not understand zero. The correct notation is 00:01PM. The 24 hour system uses that notation: one writes 00:30 for thirty minutes past midnight, not 24:30. 12:00 PM is noon, because the time switches from AM to PM at noon. Simple, eh? And 12:00PM is midnight, because that is the twelfth hour in the post meridiem half of the day. Nonsensical, of course, but the whole system is buggy. 7PM means the seventh hour in the post meridiem half of the day. 7AM means the seventh hour in the ante meridiem half of the day. 12:00 means either midnight or noon, both of which are boundaries. Digital clocks should never display 12:xx unless the are 24 clocks, in which case they should never display 24:xx. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI
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On 10 Mar 1999, John Hasler wrote: If it is 12:00 pm GMT it is 7:00am EST (12 - 5). 12:00 noon, please. 12:00 pm is midnight, as is 12:00 am. Better yet, use 24 hour notation. Timezones are confusing enough without the am-pm nonsense. As I recall learning a LONG time ago, noon is neither 12:00 am or 12:00 pm, it is 12:00 m (for an instant). What was once GMT is now UTC. Bob Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DM42nh http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen
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On Fri, Mar 12, 1999 at 09:00:57AM +1300, Michael Beattie wrote: Agreed... where do these threads come from? lack of linux related problems to stimulate your minds... Sorry, I just read the whole thread with amusement. Anyway, put it this way: Midnight Noon Midnight 12:0012:01AM - 11:59AM 12:00 12:01PM - 11:59PM 12:00 And if there is any problem with that, speak now or ... Noon, defined as in this thread, is then an infinitely short period of time, as somebody has already pointed out. Common usage is that 12:00 PM is noon; 12:00 AM is midnight. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3TYD [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org
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please let this thread DIE! -vinny
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On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Fri, Mar 12, 1999 at 09:00:57AM +1300, Michael Beattie wrote: Agreed... where do these threads come from? lack of linux related problems to stimulate your minds... Sorry, I just read the whole thread with amusement. Anyway, put it this way: Midnight Noon Midnight 12:0012:01AM - 11:59AM 12:00 12:01PM - 11:59PM 12:00 And if there is any problem with that, speak now or ... Noon, defined as in this thread, is then an infinitely short period of time, as somebody has already pointed out. Common usage is that 12:00 PM is noon; 12:00 AM is midnight. I'd agree with that. Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) PGP Key available, reply with pgpkey as subject. - Bother, said Pooh, as he heard, Will the Defendant please rise. - Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out!
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On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Vincent Murphy wrote: please let this thread DIE! I'd agree with that too. Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) PGP Key available, reply with pgpkey as subject. - If it can't be fixed with Vise-Grips duct tape, it can't be fixed. - Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out!
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At 10:19 PM 3/11/99 -0700, Bob Nielsen wrote: On 10 Mar 1999, John Hasler wrote: If it is 12:00 pm GMT it is 7:00am EST (12 - 5). 12:00 noon, please. 12:00 pm is midnight, as is 12:00 am. Better yet, use 24 hour notation. Timezones are confusing enough without the am-pm nonsense. As I recall learning a LONG time ago, noon is neither 12:00 am or 12:00 pm, it is 12:00 m (for an instant). NO NO NO! By definition, noon is 12pm and midnight is 12am
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On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Vincent Murphy wrote: please let this thread DIE! I'd agree with that too. Yeah, let it die! Anyone agreeing with this? :) Eric -- E.L. Meijer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | tel. office +31 40 2472189 Eindhoven Univ. of Technology | tel. lab. +31 40 2475032 Lab. for Catalysis and Inorg. Chem. (TAK) | tel. fax+31 40 2455054
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Solipsistic Nazisim promulgated by Hitler. There, three keywords that immediately kill a thread. This thread is now officially dead, further messages on this thread are subject to the author being smacked with a week-old herring :) On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Edward Kear wrote: At 10:19 PM 3/11/99 -0700, Bob Nielsen wrote: On 10 Mar 1999, John Hasler wrote: If it is 12:00 pm GMT it is 7:00am EST (12 - 5). 12:00 noon, please. 12:00 pm is midnight, as is 12:00 am. Better yet, use 24 hour notation. Timezones are confusing enough without the am-pm nonsense. As I recall learning a LONG time ago, noon is neither 12:00 am or 12:00 pm, it is 12:00 m (for an instant). NO NO NO! By definition, noon is 12pm and midnight is 12am -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Pardon me, but you have obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a damn. email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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If it is 12:00 pm GMT it is 7:00am EST (12 - 5). 12:00 noon, please. 12:00 pm is midnight, as is 12:00 am. Better yet, use 24 hour notation. Timezones are confusing enough without the am-pm nonsense. -- John HaslerThis posting is in the public domain. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do with it what you will. Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind. Elmwood, Wisconsin Do not send email advertisements to this address.
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On Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 18:16 (-0600), John Hasler wrote: If it is 12:00 pm GMT it is 7:00am EST (12 - 5). 12:00 noon, please. 12:00 pm is midnight, as is 12:00 am. I don't think so. 12:00pm is noon (think about 12:01pm). -- your man pann
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I wrote: 12:00 noon, please. 12:00 pm is midnight... Pann McCuaig writes: I don't think so. 12:00pm is noon PM stands for post meridiem, which means after noon. Thus 12PM is 12 hours after noon, or midnight. think about 12:01pm One minute after noon. Not the same thing (though 00:01PM would be better). The instant of noon is neither before nor after noon, and therefor cannot be 12AM or 12PM. The instant of midnight is both 12 hours before and 12 hours after noon, and therefor is both 12AM and 12PM. Say noon and midnight, or use 24 hour notation. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI
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John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wrote: 12:00 noon, please. 12:00 pm is midnight... Pann McCuaig writes: I don't think so. 12:00pm is noon PM stands for post meridiem, which means after noon. Thus 12PM is 12 hours after noon, or midnight. No. By your logic, 12:01 PM is 12 hours and one minute after noon. 12:00 PM is noon, because the time switches from AM to PM at noon. Simple, eh? be 12AM or 12PM. The instant of midnight is both 12 hours before and 12 hours after noon, and therefor is both 12AM and 12PM. Say noon and midnight, or use 24 hour notation. Yes.
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This is a goofy topic, but, what the hey I don't think so. 12:00pm is noon PM stands for post meridiem, which means after noon. Thus 12PM is 12 hours after noon, or midnight. By that logic, 12:01pm would be 12 hours and 1 minute after noon, or 1 minute after midnight. :) think about 12:01pm One minute after noon. Not the same thing (though 00:01PM would be better). That contradicts what you just said. It's generally accepted that 12pm is noon and 12am is midnight. -Jay
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On Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 11:17:02PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wrote: 12:00 noon, please. 12:00 pm is midnight... Pann McCuaig writes: I don't think so. 12:00pm is noon PM stands for post meridiem, which means after noon. Thus 12PM is 12 hours after noon, or midnight. No. By your logic, 12:01 PM is 12 hours and one minute after noon. 12:00 PM is noon, because the time switches from AM to PM at noon. Simple, eh? John Hasler is correct. The point is there is NO 12 am or 12 pm. As he explained, am means 'ante meridiem'. This `meridiem' is a circle drawn from the North point in the horizon to the South point, passing thru the zenith. Zenith is the point directly overhead for any given location. At some point in time (near 12:00), the sun crosses this circle. This is (local) noon. The Sun is neither before or after the meridian, it's on the meridian. Although it might seen as a logical conclusion to say that 12:00 pm is noon, the argument doesn't hold, because `pm' has a precise definition. It means when any given star has _crossed_ the meridian Marcelo
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In a message dated 3/11/99 10:48:52 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 12:00 PM is noon, because the time switches from AM to PM at noon. Simple, eh? John Hasler is correct. The point is there is NO 12 am or 12 pm. As he explained, am means 'ante meridiem'. This `meridiem' is a circle drawn from the North point in the horizon to the South point, passing thru the zenith. Zenith is the point directly overhead for any given location. At some point in time (near 12:00), the sun crosses this circle. This is (local) noon. The Sun is neither before or after the meridian, it's on the meridian. Although it might seen as a logical conclusion to say that 12:00 pm is noon, the argument doesn't hold, because `pm' has a precise definition. It means when any given star has _crossed_ the meridian That's all well and good, and very accurate... but the point remains. If someone says to you 12pm, it's considered 12 noon. If someone says to you 12am, it's considered 12 midnight. People seldom consider where the star is in relation to the meridian when discussing what time of day it is. They just know if it's ight or dark out. ;) -Jay
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At 09:03 PM 3/10/1999 -0600, John Hasler wrote: Say noon and midnight, or use 24 hour notation. One question: is midnite 2400 hrs or hrs? Or does it matter? -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
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In a message dated 3/11/99 11:31:55 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Say noon and midnight, or use 24 hour notation. One question: is midnite 2400 hrs or hrs? Or does it matter? Midnight is hours; there is no 2400 hours - after 23:59:59 it changes to 00:00:00. -Jay
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Marcelo E. Magallon dixit: John Hasler is correct. The point is there is NO 12 am or 12 pm. As he explained, am means 'ante meridiem'. This `meridiem' [ ... ] ¿meridiem? are you sure it's not meridian? or is this the Latin form? I knew I should have never burnt my Latin dictionary... meri diem? Horacio.
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Marcelo E. Magallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PM stands for post meridiem, which means after noon. Thus 12PM is 12 hours after noon, or midnight. No. By your logic, 12:01 PM is 12 hours and one minute after noon. 12:00 PM is noon, because the time switches from AM to PM at noon. Simple, eh? John Hasler is correct. The point is there is NO 12 am or 12 pm. As he That is not what he said. He said that, and I quote, 12 PM is 12 hours after noon, or midnight. This is incorrect. Although it might seen as a logical conclusion to say that 12:00 pm is noon, the argument doesn't hold, because `pm' has a precise definition. It means when any given star has _crossed_ the meridian Which it will have by the time you are able to write either the AM or the PM. Speaking of one precise instant in time is pointless; it is gone in an infinately small amount of time. Trying to confuse the issue, and everyone, by doing this is silly. Nitpicking like that is unnecessary, and you are not correctly stating either my statement or the one to which I was replying.
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On 11-Mar-99 Kent West wrote: At 09:03 PM 3/10/1999 -0600, John Hasler wrote: Say noon and midnight, or use 24 hour notation. One question: is midnite 2400 hrs or hrs? Or does it matter? -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI hrs. to 2359 hrs. That's how crontab understand it. --- Mario Bertrandcourriel: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: uin #27857632 Clé PGP: envoyez courriel à [EMAIL PROTECTED] ayant pour Sujet: PGP La Toile baptiste réformée du Québec http://www.tbrq.org Le système d'exploitation Debian/GNU Linux http://www.debian.org
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On 11 Mar 1999, John Goerzen wrote: [snip] Although it might seen as a logical conclusion to say that 12:00 pm is noon, the argument doesn't hold, because `pm' has a precise definition. It means when any given star has _crossed_ the meridian Which it will have by the time you are able to write either the AM or the PM. Speaking of one precise instant in time is pointless; it is gone in an infinately small amount of time. Trying to confuse the issue, and everyone, by doing this is silly. Nitpicking like that is unnecessary, and you are not correctly stating either my statement or the one to which I was replying. Agreed... where do these threads come from? lack of linux related problems to stimulate your minds... Sorry, I just read the whole thread with amusement. Anyway, put it this way: Midnight Noon Midnight 12:0012:01AM - 11:59AM 12:00 12:01PM - 11:59PM 12:00 And if there is any problem with that, speak now or ... (the above is not my understanding, (although it is now) I deduced it from the thread.) The whole AM/PM issue to me is not related to the current time, i.e. 12:01PM does not mean 12 hours and 1 minute after noon to me, it means that it is 12:01 in the second half of the day. Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) PGP Key available, reply with pgpkey as subject. - 42? 7 and a half million years and all you can come up with is 42?! - Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out!
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I do not undertand time notation like GMT -0500. Somebody can tell me how does it work? Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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*- On 10 Mar, Eliezer Figueroa wrote about help me to undertand GMT time I do not undertand time notation like GMT -0500. Somebody can tell me how does it work? A quick search found a nice little page describing it at: http://www.dxing.com/utcgmt.htm -- Brian - Never criticize anybody until you have walked a mile in their shoes, because by that time you will be a mile away and have their shoes. - unknown Mechanical Engineering[EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -
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On 10-Mar-99 Eliezer Figueroa wrote: I do not undertand time notation like GMT -0500. Somebody can tell me how does it work? Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com GMT is Greenwich meantime. It is the 0 degree line of longitude. Time to the east of this line is GMT - and time to the west is GMT +. The number represents time to add to GMT. If it is 12:00 pm GMT it is 7:00am EST (12 - 5).
