Re: (solved) Re: how to roll back to jessie

2017-09-04 Thread Glenn English 
On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 4:16 AM, Long Wind  wrote:
> Thanks!
>
> I finds today that it's really not jessie
> it's wheezy
>
> it seems that wheezy is not too old for me


Wheezy works good. Reliable piece of software. That's what's on my server.

Jessie's OK. One of my virtual websites didn't work -- don't know why
or who was to blame. Wheezy works good, as I find I've said before.

Stretch sux, big time. I had far too many troubles with that one.

But you might take a look at Buster. I installed it on a new laptop in
the past few days, and it's looking reasonably civilized.


--
Glenn English

Security updates (Was: (solved) how to roll back to jessie)

2017-09-04 Thread Mario Castelán Castro 
On 04/09/17 02:58, Long Wind wrote:
> i do not install security update
> and it not cause trouble for me
Hello. I am wondering: Why do you choose to not to install security
updates? There seems to be nothing to gain and much to lose with that
choice.

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Re: (solved) how to roll back to jessie

2017-09-04 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey 
On 9/4/17, Long Wind  wrote:
>
> 
> On Mon, 9/4/17, Felix Miata  wrote:
>
>
>>  Wheezy support is
>>  scheduled to terminate less than 9 months from today.
>>  Maybe
>>  now is a good time to consider at
>>  least Jessie if not Stretch, since you're
>>  installing fresh.
>
> i have used debian for long time (since rex)
> all support i need comes from this list
> i do not install security update
> and it not cause trouble for me
>
> and font in text mode in wheezy seems cool
>
> i have an wheezy in /dev/sda2
> and have installed iceweasel today


Would you consider posting a screen capture of the font effect as
you're seeing it? You could upload to Debian itself *for posterity*:

https://paste.debian.net/

Maybe someone can help bring your fave into future releases... or
maybe something already exists but just got buried under the surface
over time.

I can *empathize*, i.e. have experienced this first hand. I can
remember favored features, just such as a font's almost "naive"
onscreen appearance, changing as all these projects grew up. :)

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with duct tape *

Re: (solved) how to roll back to jessie

2017-09-04 Thread Fungi4All 
> From: longwi...@yahoo.com
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>>On Mon, 9/4/17, Felix Miata  wrote:
>
>> Wheezy support is scheduled to terminate less than 9 months from today.
>> Maybe now is a good time to consider at  least Jessie if not Stretch, since 
>> you"re
>> installing fresh.
>
>> Thanks!
>
> i have used debian for long time (since rex) all support i need comes from 
> this list
> i do not install security update and it not cause trouble for me
>
> and font in text mode in wheezy seems cool
>
> i have an wheezy in /dev/sda2
> and have installed iceweasel today

Not to mention that "upgrading" from wheezy to Devuan Jessie is even simpler 
than
from Jessie 8 to Jessie 1, since there is not so much Junk to remove.

Re: (solved) how to roll back to jessie

2017-09-04 Thread Long Wind 


On Mon, 9/4/17, Felix Miata  wrote:

 
 Wheezy support is
 scheduled to terminate less than 9 months from today.
 Maybe
 now is a good time to consider at
 least Jessie if not Stretch, since you're
 installing fresh.
 -- 
 "The wise are known for their
 understanding, and pleasant
 words are
 persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
 
  Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User
 #211409 ** a11y rocks!
 
 Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/
 

Thanks!

i have used debian for long time (since rex)
all support i need comes from this list
i do not install security update
and it not cause trouble for me

and font in text mode in wheezy seems cool

i have an wheezy in /dev/sda2
and have installed iceweasel today

Re: (solved) how to roll back to jessie

2017-09-03 Thread Felix Miata 
Long Wind composed on 2017-09-04 04:16 (UTC):

> I finds today that it's really not jessieit's wheezy
> it seems that wheezy is not too old for me 

Wheezy support is scheduled to terminate less than 9 months from today. Maybe
now is a good time to consider at least Jessie if not Stretch, since you're
installing fresh.
-- 
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Re: (solved) Re: how to roll back to jessie

2017-09-03 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey 
On 9/3/17, songbird  wrote:
> Long Wind wrote:
> ...
>> I have decided re-install jessie from scratch
>> Thanks to all those who reply!
>
>   you're welcome.  it's really the easiest way to
> go if you want quickest and easiest approach.


It's about the "cleanest" route. You get to start all over with a
fresh, clean slate. Being able to easily save the .deb archive files
makes reinstalling favorite programs *so easy*, too.

Tools are making it easier to keep tabs primarily on the /etc
directory where we fiddle around in there, too. Beyond that, much of
what we don't want to lose ends up under /home/[user]. It has been a
very long time since I've lost anything setting wise so things are
really seeming user friendly.

You can always save the problem child install somewhere off to the
side... and then either play around with it later to learn something
new from it

Or just delete it down the road and teach yourself something even
newer than that because Time is too precious these days.
*kernelnewbies, cough-cough* :D

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with duct tape *

Re: (solved) Re: how to roll back to jessie

2017-09-03 Thread songbird 
Long Wind wrote:
...
> I have decided re-install jessie from scratch
> Thanks to all those who reply!

  you're welcome.  it's really the easiest way to
go if you want quickest and easiest approach.


  songbird

Re: how to roll back to jessie

2017-09-03 Thread Jimmy Johnson 

On 09/03/2017 03:56 AM, Long Wind wrote:

i had installed jessie a long time agotoday i run command "apt-get update"and 
"apt-get install ..."a lot of packages upgraded
then I find that sources.list is pointed to stablewhich means stretchclearly 
this is not the correct way to upgrade to stretchand some programs do not work
now i want to go back to jessiewhat should i do? Thanks!
What I would do is use another system and as root show hidden system 
files, copy fstab to home, delete all system files leaving home, as user 
delete system files in home including hidden. I leave mail and browser 
files, your choice what you want to leave. Using a net-install including 
non-free-firmware I do a core install, using the same file system and do 
not format, reboot the system and apt install what I need and then setup 
my desktop. That's what I would do.


Cheers,
--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Sid/Testing - KDE Plasma 5.8.7 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda8
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: (solved) Re: how to roll back to jessie

2017-09-03 Thread Brian 
On Sun 03 Sep 2017 at 13:52:57 +, Long Wind wrote:

> I have decided re-install jessie from scratch
> Thanks to all those who reply!

Don't forget to put jessie (not stable) in the sources.list.

-- 
Brian.

Re: how to roll back to jessie

2017-09-03 Thread Dejan Jocic 
On 03-09-17, Brian wrote:
> On Sun 03 Sep 2017 at 10:56:59 +, Long Wind wrote:
> 
> > i had installed jessie a long time agotoday i run command "apt-get
> > update"and "apt-get install ..."a lot of packages upgraded then I find
> > that sources.list is pointed to stablewhich means stretchclearly this
> > is not the correct way to upgrade to stretchand some programs do not
> > work now i want to go back to jessiewhat should i do? Thanks!
> 
> I do not think you can and have never seen an account of its being done
> successfully.
> 
> -- 
> Brian.
> 

Well, some claimed that it worked. Like, change sources lists, pin
packages to version you want to downgrade to, apt-get update && apt-get
upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade and then purge misbehaving packages. And
after that another dist-upgrade. But, not sure that it will work every
time, never did it personally nor seen someone really doing it. Plus I
do not understand need for that. Just backup your data, get selection of
manually installed packages with apt-mark, or with aptitude, install
Jessie and backup your data, then use apt-mark and apt-get to install
those packages. It is much safer approach to solving that problem.

Re: how to roll back to jessie

2017-09-03 Thread Dan Ritter 
On Sun, Sep 03, 2017 at 10:56:59AM +, Long Wind wrote:
> i had installed jessie a long time agotoday i run command "apt-get update"and 
> "apt-get install ..."a lot of packages upgraded
> then I find that sources.list is pointed to stablewhich means stretchclearly 
> this is not the correct way to upgrade to stretchand some programs do not work
> now i want to go back to jessiewhat should i do? Thanks!


In general, this is a very difficult problem.

Your easy options:

. restore from backup

or

. change from "stable" to "stretch" and do an apt-get
dist-upgrade to bring you all the way into stretch.

All other options are much, much harder. They tend to work when
you have a few packages that you have installed by mistake, and 
not otherwise.

-dsr-

Re: how to roll back to jessie

2017-09-03 Thread songbird 
Long Wind wrote:
...
> i had installed jessie a long time agotoday i run command "apt-get update"and 
> "apt-get install ..."a lot of packages upgraded
> then I find that sources.list is pointed to stablewhich means stretchclearly 
> this is not the correct way to upgrade to stretchand some programs do not work
> now i want to go back to jessiewhat should i do? Thanks!

  it is likely more work than worth it.

  why not fix what isn't working?

  the release notes for stretch should cover most of
what has significantly changed.

  if i were in a similar spot i'd consider backing up 
the home directories and setting up a different partition
and installing jessie to that partition (leaving stretch
alone for now).  then as you get time figure out what
needs to be fixed for stretch.

  and next time, you'll know to not blindly say "Y" to
udpates without reading the list of packages first.


  songbird

Re: how to roll back to jessie

2017-09-03 Thread Brian 
On Sun 03 Sep 2017 at 10:56:59 +, Long Wind wrote:

> i had installed jessie a long time agotoday i run command "apt-get
> update"and "apt-get install ..."a lot of packages upgraded then I find
> that sources.list is pointed to stablewhich means stretchclearly this
> is not the correct way to upgrade to stretchand some programs do not
> work now i want to go back to jessiewhat should i do? Thanks!

I do not think you can and have never seen an account of its being done
successfully.

-- 
Brian.