subject:"in need"


On 1/23/24 07:07, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote:

On Sun, 21 Jan 2024, gene heskett wrote:


I think I installed 5 or 5, some were already installed, but the only
one I found that actually worked was fldsed, but it has its own limits.


gene where did you find fldsed

.

In synaptic, its in the debian repo's.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out

2024-01-23 Thread Greg Wooledge

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 11:51:30PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> which is why with my fading short term memory I generally copy/paste,
> including the bash prompts so you know its copy/paste but even then you
> question me. As for the file:// and :80, I'm not that forgetfull, I
> copy/pasted the rest of that files address from a previous ls output.

WHAT exactly did you have in the URL bar at the time you pressed Enter?

> On pressing enter it went to a google search and of course did not find it,

Without some kind of evidence, I am just going to conclude that you
made a mistake.

For example, if I type the word "file", then a space, then paste an
absolute pathname, I get a search result page.

If I do certain other kinds of mangling, like "file://" and then a
space, and then a pasted absolute path, Chrome tries to find a similar
previous item in the URL bar history, and uses that when I press Enter.
So, the result in this case is dependent upon my previous manglings,
and cannot be predicted in a vacuum.  If there's a way to make Chrome
treat each mangled query as an "ab initio" request, bypassing its
history, I don't know it.

Also from the "weird results" category: if I mangle the URL by using
two slashes instead of three, Chrome appears to treat that as a
relative pathname, attempts to open usr/share/whatever instead of
/usr/share/whatever, fails, and gives me an error page.  However, if I
mangle the URL by using *one* slash instead of three, it treats that
as if I had used all three slashes, and I get the document.

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out

2024-01-23 Thread fxkl47BF

On Sun, 21 Jan 2024, gene heskett wrote:

> I think I installed 5 or 5, some were already installed, but the only
> one I found that actually worked was fldsed, but it has its own limits.

gene where did you find fldsed

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help


On 1/22/24 22:48, Stefan Monnier wrote:

some sort of 2T SSD's that comes as a usb-c drive, skipping the sata
convertor entirely at $27/copy. If it works as an 8T lvm with a 2T holding


AFAIK 2T for $27 doesn't exist yet in the current real world.
You can find a fair number of creatively sized USB disks in that price
range, but they are lying (tho admittedly, they tend to lye in a more
obvious way with claimed capacities of 30TB or even more).

This doesn't pass my scam detector.  I hope it's wrong for once.

So do I Stefan. But somebody had to test and report.  And I won't starve 
if t fails.


 Stefan

.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help


On 1/23/24 06:12, Gremlin wrote:

On 1/23/24 06:04, gene heskett wrote:

On 1/23/24 00:30, Karl Vogel wrote:

On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote:


G> How does an 8T backup server sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very
G> enticing and I do have the sheckel's.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CQJBSQL
Seagate Desktop 8TB external Hard Drive, 3.5 Inch, USB 3.0 STGY8000400
$168.18

What if you buy two, use one for a complete backup and the other for
incrementals or differentials?  (I know, more than $200...)

My disastrous experience with the last pair of seagates preclude 
exploring that path, ever again. I bought a couple 2T's to replace  2 
1T's I had outgrown and had close to 70,000 spining hours on the.  
They lasted a bit less than 30 days, dropping off the sata cables 
connecting then, never to be found again. Then I find they were 
shingled tech, and helium filled so the heads flew lower.



https://www.howtogeek.com/803276/cmr-vs.-smr-hard-drives-whats-the-difference/


I carefully note, the use of Helium and its problems is very carefully 
ignored.



.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-23 Thread Gremlin


On 1/23/24 06:04, gene heskett wrote:

On 1/23/24 00:30, Karl Vogel wrote:

On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote:


G> How does an 8T backup server sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very
G> enticing and I do have the sheckel's.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CQJBSQL
Seagate Desktop 8TB external Hard Drive, 3.5 Inch, USB 3.0 STGY8000400
$168.18

What if you buy two, use one for a complete backup and the other for
incrementals or differentials?  (I know, more than $200...)

My disastrous experience with the last pair of seagates preclude 
exploring that path, ever again. I bought a couple 2T's to replace  2 
1T's I had outgrown and had close to 70,000 spining hours on the.  They 
lasted a bit less than 30 days, dropping off the sata cables connecting 
then, never to be found again. Then I find they were shingled tech, and 
helium filled so the heads flew lower.



https://www.howtogeek.com/803276/cmr-vs.-smr-hard-drives-whats-the-difference/

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help


On 1/23/24 02:31, David Christensen wrote:

On 1/22/24 19:55, gene heskett wrote:

On 1/22/24 21:59, David Christensen wrote:

On 1/22/24 18:44, gene heskett wrote:

On 1/22/24 18:46, David Christensen wrote:

On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote:
How does an 8T backup server sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very 
enticing and I do have the sheckel's.


What hardware?

I clicked on place order, for a 7 port powered usb3 hub, and a 6 
pack of some sort of 2T SSD's that comes as a usb-c drive, skipping 
the sata convertor entirely at $27/copy. If it works as an 8T lvm 
with a 2T holding disk from 5 of them, fine, else it is experience, 
which according to TANSTAAFL, costs money.  Typical of amazon, 
though the drives will be drop shipped from China, arriving Feb. 1 
at earliest.


UNK is if the drives come with an A to C cable, 6" long would be 
sufficient.


URL's?


hub:





Okay.



2T ssd's:





Please use a tool to confirm that the drives actually store 2 TB when 
you receive them.



At that price, you betcha.


David

.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help


On 1/23/24 00:30, Karl Vogel wrote:

On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote:


G> How does an 8T backup server sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very
G> enticing and I do have the sheckel's.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CQJBSQL
Seagate Desktop 8TB external Hard Drive, 3.5 Inch, USB 3.0 STGY8000400
$168.18

What if you buy two, use one for a complete backup and the other for
incrementals or differentials?  (I know, more than $200...)

My disastrous experience with the last pair of seagates preclude 
exploring that path, ever again. I bought a couple 2T's to replace  2 
1T's I had outgrown and had close to 70,000 spining hours on the.  They 
lasted a bit less than 30 days, dropping off the sata cables connecting 
then, never to be found again. Then I find they were shingled tech, and 
helium filled so the heads flew lower.


But I have experience with helium in large car load qty's of it and in 
30 days I can guarantee those drives no longer had any Helium in them if 
there was any positive pressure inside them. This was about a year after 
JFK launched his effort to put men on the moon the first time.


A bank of 16 monel bottles, each about a foot in diameter and maybe 12 
feet long, pumped up to about 7500 psia for the night at midnight at 
Stellardyne labs in Sandy Eggo while testing the atlas stuff that gave 
John Glenn his 1st full orbital ride, were down to around 5800 psia at 8 
the next morning when the day shift got there. The Helium atom is so 
small it creeps between the atoms of tha monel, the best alloy for that. 
and heads for outer space never to be seen again.


And that was considered normal, and better thn the 50,000 gallon steel 
tank that caught and recyled the test cells output, we had a 6 stage 
cardox compress in the back yard that suck from that big tank and put it 
back on those monel bottles. With a guvmnt truck bringing in new to 
replace it 2x a week. In those days the guv automatically owned any 
helium recovered from deep in mines by air reduction techniques.  It's a 
precious commodity, worth close to $100,000 a truckload in $1.75 min 
wage days. When its gone, its gone and we will exhaust the planets 
supply by filling party balloons with it. Filling hard drives with it to 
make the heads fly lower is idiocy. Regardless of how thick you cast the 
alu or pot metal of a drive housing, it will be gone much quicker than 
those monel bottles allowed.


They (Seagate) could have gotten a longer term lower head fly by sealing 
them up in a vacuum equ to the top of Everest.


Like Albert Eintsein said, the 2 most common things in the universe are 
stupidity and hydrogen, in that order.


You may not have arrived yet Karl, but I was there, busy testing the 
fuel pressure regulators for Atlas rockets and keeping my wife barefoot 
and pregnant, her choice for both.


Take care, stay warm, dry and well Karl.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help


On 1/22/24 19:55, gene heskett wrote:

On 1/22/24 21:59, David Christensen wrote:

On 1/22/24 18:44, gene heskett wrote:

On 1/22/24 18:46, David Christensen wrote:

On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote:
How does an 8T backup server sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very 
enticing and I do have the sheckel's.


What hardware?

I clicked on place order, for a 7 port powered usb3 hub, and a 6 pack 
of some sort of 2T SSD's that comes as a usb-c drive, skipping the 
sata convertor entirely at $27/copy. If it works as an 8T lvm with a 
2T holding disk from 5 of them, fine, else it is experience, which 
according to TANSTAAFL, costs money.  Typical of amazon, though the 
drives will be drop shipped from China, arriving Feb. 1 at earliest.


UNK is if the drives come with an A to C cable, 6" long would be 
sufficient.


URL's?


hub:





Okay.



2T ssd's:





Please use a tool to confirm that the drives actually store 2 TB when 
you receive them.



David

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-22 Thread Karl Vogel

>> On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote:

G> How does an 8T backup server sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very
G> enticing and I do have the sheckel's.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CQJBSQL
Seagate Desktop 8TB external Hard Drive, 3.5 Inch, USB 3.0 STGY8000400
$168.18

What if you buy two, use one for a complete backup and the other for
incrementals or differentials?  (I know, more than $200...)

-- 
Karl Vogel  I don't speak for anyone but myself

I yam Popeye of Borg.  You will be askimilgrated.

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out


On 1/22/24 23:05, David Wright wrote:

On Sun 21 Jan 2024 at 14:50:59 (-0500), gene heskett wrote:

On 1/21/24 14:29, John Hasler wrote:

Klaus writes:

Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource
browser: chromium


I wrote:

In what way is it crippled?


Gene writes:

Port 80 has been hijacked. You cannot send it to monitor your own web
page at http://localhost:80, but the result is a 403 because google
doesn't know WTH to do with localhost...


Why would that cause a permissions (403) error?


I just tried that. No hijacking: works fine.

It was also true here using the file:// prefix, trying look at the
html versions of the man pages in /usr/share/local/docs.


I don't understand why a file:// prefix would test whether port 80 worked.
Port 80 is for http:// isn't it?


Firefox-esr
can use that syntax just fine.


Which syntax, the one in your previous sentence or the one in your
previous post?


Where the difference be?


Between what and what? You never seem to quote what you actually
put in the address bar together with what the outcome was.


which is why with my fading short term memory I generally copy/paste, 
including the bash prompts so you know its copy/paste but even then you 
question me. As for the file:// and :80, I'm not that forgetfull, I 
copy/pasted the rest of that files address from a previous ls output.
On pressing enter it went to a google search and of course did not find 
it, but a repeat into less worked (I hate trying to read html) and 
firefox-esr Just Worked.  As for armbian, in recent history it has used 
debian repo's or unbuntu jammie repos. I just rechecked, that one is 
running the arm64 version of Jammy so the chromium formerly installed 
came from jammy.


Take care, stay warm, dry and well


Cheers,
David.

.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Powered USB hub [was: Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help]

2024-01-22 Thread Max Nikulin


On 23/01/2024 10:55, gene heskett wrote:

hub:




Purchasing a powered USB hub, I made a mistake. I have not checked 
compatibility with hubctl in advance.

https://github.com/mvp/uhubctl/

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out

2024-01-22 Thread David Wright

On Sun 21 Jan 2024 at 14:50:59 (-0500), gene heskett wrote:
> On 1/21/24 14:29, John Hasler wrote:
> > Klaus writes:
> > > Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource
> > > browser: chromium
> > 
> > I wrote:
> > > In what way is it crippled?
> > 
> > Gene writes:
> > > Port 80 has been hijacked. You cannot send it to monitor your own web
> > > page at http://localhost:80, but the result is a 403 because google
> > > doesn't know WTH to do with localhost...

Why would that cause a permissions (403) error?

> > I just tried that. No hijacking: works fine.
> It was also true here using the file:// prefix, trying look at the
> html versions of the man pages in /usr/share/local/docs.

I don't understand why a file:// prefix would test whether port 80 worked.
Port 80 is for http:// isn't it?

> Firefox-esr
> can use that syntax just fine.

Which syntax, the one in your previous sentence or the one in your
previous post?

> Where the difference be?

Between what and what? You never seem to quote what you actually
put in the address bar together with what the outcome was.

Cheers,
David.

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help


On 1/22/24 21:59, David Christensen wrote:

On 1/22/24 18:44, gene heskett wrote:

On 1/22/24 18:46, David Christensen wrote:

On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote:
How does an 8T backup server sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very 
enticing and I do have the sheckel's.


What hardware?

I clicked on place order, for a 7 port powered usb3 hub, and a 6 pack 
of some sort of 2T SSD's that comes as a usb-c drive, skipping the 
sata convertor entirely at $27/copy. If it works as an 8T lvm with a 
2T holding disk from 5 of them, fine, else it is experience, which 
according to TANSTAAFL, costs money.  Typical of amazon, though the 
drives will be drop shipped from China, arriving Feb. 1 at earliest.


UNK is if the drives come with an A to C cable, 6" long would be 
sufficient.



URL's?


hub:



2T ssd's:




David


.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-22 Thread Stefan Monnier

> some sort of 2T SSD's that comes as a usb-c drive, skipping the sata
> convertor entirely at $27/copy. If it works as an 8T lvm with a 2T holding

AFAIK 2T for $27 doesn't exist yet in the current real world.
You can find a fair number of creatively sized USB disks in that price
range, but they are lying (tho admittedly, they tend to lye in a more
obvious way with claimed capacities of 30TB or even more).

This doesn't pass my scam detector.  I hope it's wrong for once.


Stefan

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help


On 1/22/24 18:44, gene heskett wrote:

On 1/22/24 18:46, David Christensen wrote:

On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote:
How does an 8T backup server sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very 
enticing and I do have the sheckel's.


What hardware?

I clicked on place order, for a 7 port powered usb3 hub, and a 6 pack of 
some sort of 2T SSD's that comes as a usb-c drive, skipping the sata 
convertor entirely at $27/copy. If it works as an 8T lvm with a 2T 
holding disk from 5 of them, fine, else it is experience, which 
according to TANSTAAFL, costs money.  Typical of amazon, though the 
drives will be drop shipped from China, arriving Feb. 1 at earliest.


UNK is if the drives come with an A to C cable, 6" long would be 
sufficient.



URL's?


David

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help


On 1/22/24 18:46, David Christensen wrote:

On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote:

On 1/22/24 12:54, David Christensen wrote:
Perhaps it is time to switch to another backup system, or build your 
own.

..
That I'm contemplating, using a pi clone but still running the amanda 
I just installed all 3 debs of on a bananapi-m5. 



Okay.


How does an 8T backup server sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very 
enticing and I do have the sheckel's.



What hardware?

I clicked on place order, for a 7 port powered usb3 hub, and a 6 pack of 
some sort of 2T SSD's that comes as a usb-c drive, skipping the sata 
convertor entirely at $27/copy. If it works as an 8T lvm with a 2T 
holding disk from 5 of them, fine, else it is experience, which 
according to TANSTAAFL, costs money.  Typical of amazon, though the 
drives will be drop shipped from China, arriving Feb. 1 at earliest.


UNK is if the drives come with an A to C cable, 6" long would be sufficient.

Take care, stay warm, dry & well, David.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help


On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote:

On 1/22/24 12:54, David Christensen wrote:

Perhaps it is time to switch to another backup system, or build your own.
..
That I'm contemplating, using a pi clone but still running the amanda I 
just installed all 3 debs of on a bananapi-m5. 



Okay.


How does an 8T backup 
server sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very enticing and I do have the 
sheckel's.



What hardware?


David

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-22 Thread Stefan Monnier

> That I'm contemplating, using a pi clone but still running the amanda I just
> installed all 3 debs of on a bananapi-m5.  How does an 8T backup server
> sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very enticing and I do have the sheckel's.

I remember Amanda fondly from the days when I was backing up a labs
machine to DATs.  And while I see the benefit of using a tool with which
you're familiar, you might want to look at alternatives like Bup, Borg,
Restic, Bupstash, ... (or even Rsync/Rsnapshot).

Amanda was designed specifically to work efficiently when backing up to
a tape device.  If, like most people nowadays, you backup to something
like an HDD or SSD, Amanda is IMO overly complex and slow and doesn't
give you as much functionality as more modern alternatives (alternatives
which simply wouldn't work when backing up to a tape).


Stefan

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help


On 1/22/24 12:54, David Christensen wrote:

On 1/22/24 03:23, gene heskett wrote:

On 1/22/24 04:46, David Christensen wrote:

It appears Amanda has a script API for both the client and the server:

https://manpages.debian.org/buster/amanda-common/amanda-scripts.7.en.html
...
All this is possible David, but needs someone to do it. So far our 
list of volunteers is pretty slim. I once wrote a script that added 
amanda's database to the end of the vtape amanda had just made, making 
a bare metal recovery to the state it had just reported instead of a 
bare metal being one run out of date, but I did that in bash. I've 
never did anything to amanda itself except compile it, its old perl, 
old python and probably older bash, all dumped into the same bowl and 
the mixer turned on high. Amanda, right now, needs 15 years of catchup 
tlc. I haven't even tried to build it since wheezy and I have far 
newer srcs than the current 3.51 here. While I have the /home/amanda 
dir with all that it , i'd have to create anew amanda user with 
passwd-less access to the system to even attempt a build of what I have.



Perhaps it is time to switch to another backup system, or build your own.


David

That I'm contemplating, using a pi clone but still running the amanda I 
just installed all 3 debs of on a bananapi-m5.  How does an 8T backup 
server sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very enticing and I do have the 
sheckel's.

.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out


On 1/22/24 11:56, Curt wrote:

On 2024-01-21, Greg Wooledge  wrote:

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 01:30:41PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:

chroming is dangerous.


I haven't touched it since they hijacked port 80 so you cannot use it
locally.


Gene, this is NOT true.  Chrome does not "hijack port 80".  You can
go to http://localhost:80/ to talk to a local web server *just fine*
in Chrome.


I think Firefox can now fill out and save fillable pdf forms (and even
add text to ones that are not even editable). So Gene may
obviate his moral allergy by adopting another route.


I don't think that was the case here, none of the utility's suggested in 
this thread could find a form space to fill, and I wound up cobbleing it 
together using fldsed, whose interface is quite clunky but more or less, 
complete with speeling errors, typu's and overstrikes, did get the job 
done, and exported as pdf. Fed to the printer ia okular it was pixel 
accurate. I'll compose an email hopefully explaining their broken pdf 
composer made my reply very difficult, and suggesting they take a look 
at OpenOffice Writer, which I think CAN be coaxed into doing what they 
thought they were doing with their pdf composer.


I've not emailed it back to them as an attachment yet but will before 
the end of my day.


Thanks Curt.


People with causes often display a tendency of making their points with a
careless regard for the truth (as they feel, I suppose, that the end
justifies the means).


It was and is the truth as I see it on my screens here. Everyone else 
claims if "127.0.0.1   localhost" is present in the /etc/hosts files 
which it is, that it should Just Work, but it doesn't here. Firefox 
OTOH, does Just Work.



This is another one of your imaginary problems, which has already been
disproved, but to which you still cling.  You seem to have many of these.


Tell me about it, but they have existed here since I put the 12.2 
netinstall iso on a dvd and rebooted to it the first time which has been 
the subject of numerous prior threads because the installer finds ANY 
usb-serial adaptor plugged in, assunes I am blind and installs brltty 
and orca without once asking be if I wanted it.  And they cannot be 
removed once installed, or the execute bits removed and still reboot the 
system when needed, That alone caused over 20 re-installs before someone 
took pity on me and said to unplug the usb tree as it was reacting to 
the adapter feeding a cm11a for heyu's use.


I'm not going to spend the time to dig up the old thread in which you
first espoused this idea, and in which I showed you that it's untrue.
That would be a waste of my time.


And mine too until its fixed to Just Work.
Take care, stay warm, dry and well, Curt.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help


On 1/22/24 03:23, gene heskett wrote:

On 1/22/24 04:46, David Christensen wrote:

It appears Amanda has a script API for both the client and the server:

https://manpages.debian.org/buster/amanda-common/amanda-scripts.7.en.html
...
All this is possible David, but needs someone to do it. So far our list 
of volunteers is pretty slim. I once wrote a script that added amanda's 
database to the end of the vtape amanda had just made, making a bare 
metal recovery to the state it had just reported instead of a bare metal 
being one run out of date, but I did that in bash. I've never did 
anything to amanda itself except compile it, its old perl, old python 
and probably older bash, all dumped into the same bowl and the mixer 
turned on high. Amanda, right now, needs 15 years of catchup tlc. I 
haven't even tried to build it since wheezy and I have far newer srcs 
than the current 3.51 here. While I have the /home/amanda dir with all 
that it , i'd have to create anew amanda user with passwd-less access to 
the system to even attempt a build of what I have.



Perhaps it is time to switch to another backup system, or build your own.


David

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out

2024-01-22 Thread Curt

On 2024-01-21, Greg Wooledge  wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 01:30:41PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
>> > > > chroming is dangerous.
>> 
>> I haven't touched it since they hijacked port 80 so you cannot use it
>> locally.
>
> Gene, this is NOT true.  Chrome does not "hijack port 80".  You can
> go to http://localhost:80/ to talk to a local web server *just fine*
> in Chrome.

I think Firefox can now fill out and save fillable pdf forms (and even
add text to ones that are not even editable). So Gene may
obviate his moral allergy by adopting another route.

People with causes often display a tendency of making their points with a
careless regard for the truth (as they feel, I suppose, that the end
justifies the means).

> This is another one of your imaginary problems, which has already been
> disproved, but to which you still cling.  You seem to have many of these.
>
> I'm not going to spend the time to dig up the old thread in which you
> first espoused this idea, and in which I showed you that it's untrue.
> That would be a waste of my time.
>
>

--

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help


On 1/22/24 04:46, David Christensen wrote:

On 1/21/24 21:42, gene heskett wrote:

On 1/21/24 18:29, David Christensen wrote:

On 1/21/24 14:48, gene heskett wrote:

On 1/21/24 16:13, David Christensen wrote:

On 1/21/24 03:47, gene heskett wrote:

On 1/21/24 01:33, David Christensen wrote:
3.  For Amanda, either add more HDD's to the storage server or 
build another server.  If another server, shut it down when you are 
not using it.

...
Designed to run every night when things are relatively quiet, how 
this works well depends on the other machines it is backing up be 
available.

...
1. Wake on LAN.

2. Wake at preset day/time.

...
Unfortunately, amanda is truely ancient, for some reason the 
originator who first wrote it in the later 70's IIRC sold it nearly 20 
years ago to a commercial outfit called zmanda, who took it more or 
less commercial, throwing the amanda named version under the buss. 
They must have ran out of money and resold it to another outfit, who 
has redoubled their effort to get rid of the free version. One of the 
things it has not been fixed to do, is issue a wakeup call, and wait 
for the clients to get their stuff in one sock, say 30 seconds to get 
everything spun up and ready to take orders, so I'm pretty sure a 
client that doesn't respond in milliseconds will be skipped. So 
basically, amanda needs to be officially forked since the current 
owner, Betsol has not made any contribution to amanda that amounts to 
an actual update but once in 6 or 7 years now,  There's several things 
it now needs, such as the wake-on-lan support done right. Python is 
part of it but python 2 is still needed. Or a whole new start for 
something to replace and put it back squarely in the gplv2 or 3 camp. 
If there is actually another capable of diddling the level schedule 
like amanda does, I'm sure I could name some of the major users that 
would jump ship in a week or so once they became aware of a workalike.



It appears Amanda has a script API for both the client and the server:

https://manpages.debian.org/buster/amanda-common/amanda-scripts.7.en.html


The zmanda wiki has a Script API page, but it is empty (?):

https://wiki.zmanda.com/index.php/Script_API.


For BIOS/UEFI wake-on-lan, it might be possible to write a script that 
wakes the clients, to write a script that shuts down the clients, to 
configure the Amanda server to run the wake script before backups, and 
to configure the Amanda server to run the shutdown script after backups.



For BIOS/UEFI wake at preset day/time, it might be possible to set the 
clients to wake before the scheduled backup time, to write a script that 
shuts down the clients, and to configure the Amanda server to run the 
shutdown script after backups.



David
All this is possible David, but needs someone to do it. So far our list 
of volunteers is pretty slim. I once wrote a script that added amanda's 
database to the end of the vtape amanda had just made, making a bare 
metal recovery to the state it had just reported instead of a bare metal 
being one run out of date, but I did that in bash. I've never did 
anything to amanda itself except compile it, its old perl, old python 
and probably older bash, all dumped into the same bowl and the mixer 
turned on high. Amanda, right now, needs 15 years of catchup tlc. I 
haven't even tried to build it since wheezy and I have far newer srcs 
than the current 3.51 here. While I have the /home/amanda dir with all 
that it , i'd have to create anew amanda user with passwd-less access to 
the system to even attempt a build of what I have.


.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help


On 1/21/24 21:42, gene heskett wrote:

On 1/21/24 18:29, David Christensen wrote:

On 1/21/24 14:48, gene heskett wrote:

On 1/21/24 16:13, David Christensen wrote:

On 1/21/24 03:47, gene heskett wrote:

On 1/21/24 01:33, David Christensen wrote:
3.  For Amanda, either add more HDD's to the storage server or build 
another server.  If another server, shut it down when you are not 
using it.

...
Designed to run every night when things are relatively quiet, 
how this works well depends on the other machines it is backing up be 
available.

...
1. Wake on LAN.

2. Wake at preset day/time.

...
Unfortunately, amanda is truely ancient, for some reason the originator 
who first wrote it in the later 70's IIRC sold it nearly 20 years ago to 
a commercial outfit called zmanda, who took it more or less commercial, 
throwing the amanda named version under the buss. They must have ran out 
of money and resold it to another outfit, who has redoubled their effort 
to get rid of the free version. One of the things it has not been fixed 
to do, is issue a wakeup call, and wait for the clients to get their 
stuff in one sock, say 30 seconds to get everything spun up and ready to 
take orders, so I'm pretty sure a client that doesn't respond in 
milliseconds will be skipped. So basically, amanda needs to be 
officially forked since the current owner, Betsol has not made any 
contribution to amanda that amounts to an actual update but once in 6 or 
7 years now,  There's several things it now needs, such as the 
wake-on-lan support done right. Python is part of it but python 2 is 
still needed. Or a whole new start for something to replace and put it 
back squarely in the gplv2 or 3 camp. If there is actually another 
capable of diddling the level schedule like amanda does, I'm sure I 
could name some of the major users that would jump ship in a week or so 
once they became aware of a workalike.



It appears Amanda has a script API for both the client and the server:

https://manpages.debian.org/buster/amanda-common/amanda-scripts.7.en.html


The zmanda wiki has a Script API page, but it is empty (?):

https://wiki.zmanda.com/index.php/Script_API.


For BIOS/UEFI wake-on-lan, it might be possible to write a script that 
wakes the clients, to write a script that shuts down the clients, to 
configure the Amanda server to run the wake script before backups, and 
to configure the Amanda server to run the shutdown script after backups.



For BIOS/UEFI wake at preset day/time, it might be possible to set the 
clients to wake before the scheduled backup time, to write a script that 
shuts down the clients, and to configure the Amanda server to run the 
shutdown script after backups.



David

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help


On 1/21/24 18:29, David Christensen wrote:

On 1/21/24 14:48, gene heskett wrote:

On 1/21/24 16:13, David Christensen wrote:

On 1/21/24 03:47, gene heskett wrote:

On 1/21/24 01:33, David Christensen wrote:
I am still uncertain if those are internal SSD errors or SATA 
errors. Please check if you see matching errors in dmesg(1).


There aren't any. Those hours would very closely correspond to my 
attempts to rsync and the OOM deamon killed the machine, which it 
did around 10 times.  So logging by then had been killed. That to me 
is the smoking gun. 



Kernel ring buffer is renewed with each boot and newer messages 
overwrite older messages.  So, you will want to save or clear the 
ring buffer with demsg(1), save a SMART full report, exercise the 
disk with dd(1) and/or a SMART test, save the ring buffer, save a 
SMART full report, and analyze everything to see if you have disk 
problems, SATA problems, and/or system problems.  Once everything 
passes without error, the disk is ready to be put into service.



2T is enough /home for the nonce. so I'll do the rsync thing going 
the other direction, using it for a backup of /home until I'm ready 
for trixie.


However I am tempted to zero the drives an recreate the raid w/o 
formatting since the mdadm seems capable to installing itw own 
filesystems to use the whole drive unpartitioned, giving me a backup 
that sizewise is about the same as the single 2T drive has now.


And although my single experience with lvm over a decade ago was a 
total disaster, made out of used spinning rust I may now see how the 
other 4 2T's assembled as a lvm for amandas vtapes as an 8T lvm to 
backup the whole system, which in addition to the 4 cnc'd machines, 
has over the last 5 years seen a train of 3d printers go by. If all 
3, currently a WIP, get rebuilt, the smallest is 305 by, the largest 
is 400 by.  And all I hope will lay plastic at 200+ mm a second. 
Normal consumer stuff is 40 to 60.


Obviously I have an eclectic choice of too many hobbies. ;o)>
Now if curiosity doesn't kill this cat, I need to find some 
breakfast and git to it.



This and other threads have led me to the conclusion that consumer 
SSD's are meant for devices that are off most of the time -- e.g. 
notepad, laptop, desktop, and workstation computers.  If you put them 
into a NAS/ file server and run them 24x7, they will die sometime 
after 2 years.


That has not been my experience at all David, I bought a 4 pack of 
120G ssd's when they were the biggest available and replaced 3 
spinning rust drives that had 50-70k hours on them with these. My cnc 
machines are all wired so power for the mill/lathe/what have you is 
totally controlled by the enable key, f2, so if f2 is off only the 
computer is running. That was at least 6 years ago. Then I installed a 
240G as an extra drive on the rpi4 that runs my biggest lathe and made 
a buildbot out of it to pull linuxcnc-master from github and build it, 
also armhf kernels for linuxcnc's realtime needs.  The 120G 
disappeared in about a year, replaced the adapter with a startech, 
drive was and is just fine. There is now at least 5 years on everyone 
of those original 120's, zero SSD problems in the whole lot.



I also have small SSD's that have lasted far longer than 2 years on 
mixed duty, including 24x7 (Intel SSD 520 Series 60 GB).  The relevant 
recent threads on this list seem to be 1+ TB Samsung's.



It is interesting to note that BackBlaze does not seem to use Samsung 
SSD's:


https://www.backblaze.com/blog/ssd-edition-2023-mid-year-drive-stats-review/


3.  For Amanda, either add more HDD's to the storage server or build 
another server.  If another server, shut it down when you are not 
using it.



Speaking as someone who has used amanda for about 25 years:

People don't always understand that one of Amanda prime directives is 
to balance the size of an individual back up run by advancing the 
level 3 scheduled for tonight, by advancing it to level 0 if this run 
is only going to be small. The only guarantee is that if you have a 10 
day schedule, all machines/dle's, will get that level 0 backup not 
more than 10 days after the last one.   You choose how many days long 
that cycle is. I adjust it so the storage is around 75 to 80% used 
after the schedule has stabilized. This may take quite  a few such 
cycles. Designed to run every night when things are relatively quiet, 
how this works well depends on the other machines it is backing up be 
available.


Machines missing at backup time can and will muck things up for this 
efficient scheduling. Corporate users of Amanda, used to doing it 
their way, backing the weeks business on friday nights just don't 
understand that the Amanda way gets them a 100% coverage backup by 
backing up only the differences from the previous run of that dle 
every night is far superior to their fridey night when most of the 
offices machines are turned off for the weekend. For those cases we 
recomm

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out


On 1/21/24 13:32, Stefan Monnier wrote:

Most informative. thank you a lot Eike. I have, on another workspace after
installing it "xournal" has opened that pdf, I have enabled the add
annotations function but not killed a tree to test print.  I see both
"print" and "Export as pdf" in the file menu.


FWIW, the world of "filling PDFs online" is a painful one with lots of
hidden traps.  My understanding is that what you probably want to do is
fill the "holes" of a "PDf form" that were placed there on purpose in
the PDF (it's not just empty space on the page, but the PDF includes
some side-information telling the PDF viewer/editor that this is a hole
that can filled.  For some elements, it can also include a list of
options from which to select).

What is usually described as "annotations" in this context is something
different, more like extra text you can put anywhere you like but which
will appear in a special way because it's labeled as an annotation, more
like what you'd use to add comments about a text you were asked
to review.

When I fill a PDF form, Evince lets me just click on the fields I need
to fill (and hit TAB to move from field to field).  After that, I need
to save the result (and the UI expects me to use a different file name
for that), otherwise it's happily thrown away silently.  Also the
selection of fields (with TAB or clicks) is often fiddly.

I haven't bothered to try other PDF viewers (like Atril or Okulus).


 Stefan

I think I installed 5 or 5, some were already installed, but the only 
one I found that actually worked was fldsed, but it has its own limits.
you click where you want to start typing, brings up the pipe symbol, use 
the keyboard arrow keys to fine tune the location of the |, start 
typing, | expands into a box surrounding what you type.  /Check your 
speeling and look for typu's, you must destructive backspace to correct 
them BEFORE hitting Enter, which makes it permanent.


Anyway, pain in the butt though it was, I finally exported it as a pdf, 
It can't print unless you can remember the lpr syntax, and then reloaded 
it into Okular and printed two copies, one for me and one to mail back 
to Charleston.


Thank you all that tried to help.
Now back to your regularly scheduled program. ;o)>

.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-21 Thread David Christensen


On 1/21/24 14:48, gene heskett wrote:

On 1/21/24 16:13, David Christensen wrote:

On 1/21/24 03:47, gene heskett wrote:

On 1/21/24 01:33, David Christensen wrote:
I am still uncertain if those are internal SSD errors or SATA 
errors. Please check if you see matching errors in dmesg(1).


There aren't any. Those hours would very closely correspond to my 
attempts to rsync and the OOM deamon killed the machine, which it did 
around 10 times.  So logging by then had been killed. That to me is 
the smoking gun. 



Kernel ring buffer is renewed with each boot and newer messages 
overwrite older messages.  So, you will want to save or clear the ring 
buffer with demsg(1), save a SMART full report, exercise the disk with 
dd(1) and/or a SMART test, save the ring buffer, save a SMART full 
report, and analyze everything to see if you have disk problems, SATA 
problems, and/or system problems.  Once everything passes without 
error, the disk is ready to be put into service.



2T is enough /home for the nonce. so I'll do the rsync thing going 
the other direction, using it for a backup of /home until I'm ready 
for trixie.


However I am tempted to zero the drives an recreate the raid w/o 
formatting since the mdadm seems capable to installing itw own 
filesystems to use the whole drive unpartitioned, giving me a backup 
that sizewise is about the same as the single 2T drive has now.


And although my single experience with lvm over a decade ago was a 
total disaster, made out of used spinning rust I may now see how the 
other 4 2T's assembled as a lvm for amandas vtapes as an 8T lvm to 
backup the whole system, which in addition to the 4 cnc'd machines, 
has over the last 5 years seen a train of 3d printers go by. If all 
3, currently a WIP, get rebuilt, the smallest is 305 by, the largest 
is 400 by.  And all I hope will lay plastic at 200+ mm a second.  
Normal consumer stuff is 40 to 60.


Obviously I have an eclectic choice of too many hobbies. ;o)>
Now if curiosity doesn't kill this cat, I need to find some breakfast 
and git to it.



This and other threads have led me to the conclusion that consumer 
SSD's are meant for devices that are off most of the time -- e.g. 
notepad, laptop, desktop, and workstation computers.  If you put them 
into a NAS/ file server and run them 24x7, they will die sometime 
after 2 years.


That has not been my experience at all David, I bought a 4 pack of 120G 
ssd's when they were the biggest available and replaced 3 spinning rust 
drives that had 50-70k hours on them with these. My cnc machines are all 
wired so power for the mill/lathe/what have you is totally controlled by 
the enable key, f2, so if f2 is off only the computer is running. That 
was at least 6 years ago. Then I installed a 240G as an extra drive on 
the rpi4 that runs my biggest lathe and made a buildbot out of it to 
pull linuxcnc-master from github and build it, also armhf kernels for 
linuxcnc's realtime needs.  The 120G disappeared in about a year, 
replaced the adapter with a startech, drive was and is just fine. There 
is now at least 5 years on everyone of those original 120's, zero SSD 
problems in the whole lot.



I also have small SSD's that have lasted far longer than 2 years on 
mixed duty, including 24x7 (Intel SSD 520 Series 60 GB).  The relevant 
recent threads on this list seem to be 1+ TB Samsung's.



It is interesting to note that BackBlaze does not seem to use Samsung SSD's:

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/ssd-edition-2023-mid-year-drive-stats-review/


3.  For Amanda, either add more HDD's to the storage server or build 
another server.  If another server, shut it down when you are not 
using it.



Speaking as someone who has used amanda for about 25 years:

People don't always understand that one of Amanda prime directives is to 
balance the size of an individual back up run by advancing the level 3 
scheduled for tonight, by advancing it to level 0 if this run is only 
going to be small. The only guarantee is that if you have a 10 day 
schedule, all machines/dle's, will get that level 0 backup not more than 
10 days after the last one.   You choose how many days long that cycle 
is. I adjust it so the storage is around 75 to 80% used after the 
schedule has stabilized. This may take quite  a few such cycles. 
Designed to run every night when things are relatively quiet, how this 
works well depends on the other machines it is backing up be available.


Machines missing at backup time can and will muck things up for this 
efficient scheduling. Corporate users of Amanda, used to doing it their 
way, backing the weeks business on friday nights just don't understand 
that the Amanda way gets them a 100% coverage backup by backing up only 
the differences from the previous run of that dle every night is far 
superior to their fridey night when most of the offices machines are 
turned off for the weekend. For those cases we recommend composing two 
or more dle files and rigging c

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help


On 1/21/24 16:13, David Christensen wrote:

On 1/21/24 03:47, gene heskett wrote:

On 1/21/24 01:33, David Christensen wrote:
I am still uncertain if those are internal SSD errors or SATA errors. 
Please check if you see matching errors in dmesg(1).


There aren't any. Those hours would very closely correspond to my 
attempts to rsync and the OOM deamon killed the machine, which it did 
around 10 times.  So logging by then had been killed. That to me is 
the smoking gun. 



Kernel ring buffer is renewed with each boot and newer messages 
overwrite older messages.  So, you will want to save or clear the ring 
buffer with demsg(1), save a SMART full report, exercise the disk with 
dd(1) and/or a SMART test, save the ring buffer, save a SMART full 
report, and analyze everything to see if you have disk problems, SATA 
problems, and/or system problems.  Once everything passes without error, 
the disk is ready to be put into service.



2T is enough /home for the nonce. so I'll do the rsync thing going the 
other direction, using it for a backup of /home until I'm ready for 
trixie.


However I am tempted to zero the drives an recreate the raid w/o 
formatting since the mdadm seems capable to installing itw own 
filesystems to use the whole drive unpartitioned, giving me a backup 
that sizewise is about the same as the single 2T drive has now.


And although my single experience with lvm over a decade ago was a 
total disaster, made out of used spinning rust I may now see how the 
other 4 2T's assembled as a lvm for amandas vtapes as an 8T lvm to 
backup the whole system, which in addition to the 4 cnc'd machines, 
has over the last 5 years seen a train of 3d printers go by. If all 3, 
currently a WIP, get rebuilt, the smallest is 305 by, the largest is 
400 by.  And all I hope will lay plastic at 200+ mm a second.  Normal 
consumer stuff is 40 to 60.


Obviously I have an eclectic choice of too many hobbies. ;o)>
Now if curiosity doesn't kill this cat, I need to find some breakfast 
and git to it.



This and other threads have led me to the conclusion that consumer SSD's 
are meant for devices that are off most of the time -- e.g. notepad, 
laptop, desktop, and workstation computers.  If you put them into a NAS/ 
file server and run them 24x7, they will die sometime after 2 years.


That has not been my experience at all David, I bought a 4 pack of 120G 
ssd's when they were the biggest available and replaced 3 spinning rust 
drives that had 50-70k hours on them with these. My cnc machines are all 
wired so power for the mill/lathe/what have you is totally controlled by 
the enable key, f2, so if f2 is off only the computer is running. That 
was at least 6 years ago. Then I installed a 240G as an extra drive on 
the rpi4 that runs my biggest lathe and made a buildbot out of it to 
pull linuxcnc-master from github and build it, also armhf kernels for 
linuxcnc's realtime needs.  The 120G disappeared in about a year, 
replaced the adapter with a startech, drive was and is just fine. There 
is now at least 5 years on everyone of those original 120's, zero SSD 
problems in the whole lot.


So, I suggest:

1.  Build a storage server using NAS or enterprise HDD's.  Use an 
enterprise SSD or DOM for the OS.  Run it 24x7 or shut it down as you like.


2.  Use your Asus PRIME Z370-A II as a workstation.  Install the WD 
Black M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD.  Connect the optical drive to the first 
motherboard SATA port.  Install Debian onto the WD Black.  Then, connect 
the five Samsung EVO 870's to the remaining motherboard SATA ports.  Set 
them up as a 5-way mirror (RAID1).  Use the Samsung RAID as a scratch 
disk for your 3-D work.  As the Samsung's die off, replace them with the 
Gigastones.  Shut it down when you are not using it.


3.  For Amanda, either add more HDD's to the storage server or build 
another server.  If another server, shut it down when you are not using it.



Speaking as someone who has used amanda for about 25 years:

People don't always understand that one of Amanda prime directives is to 
balance the size of an individual back up run by advancing the level 3 
scheduled for tonight, by advancing it to level 0 if this run is only 
going to be small. The only guarantee is that if you have a 10 day 
schedule, all machines/dle's, will get that level 0 backup not more than 
10 days after the last one.   You choose how many days long that cycle 
is. I adjust it so the storage is around 75 to 80% used after the 
schedule has stabilized. This may take quite  a few such cycles. 
Designed to run every night when things are relatively quiet, how this 
works well depends on the other machines it is backing up be available.


Machines missing at backup time can and will muck things up for this 
efficient scheduling. Corporate users of Amanda, used to doing it their 
way, backing the weeks business on friday nights just don't understand 
that the Amanda way gets them a 100% coverage backup by backing up o

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out


On 1/21/24 15:34, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 03:20:09PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:

hosts:  files mymachines dns myhostname



That's as installed, but hosts: line looks skunky to me.
what do mymachines and myhostname actually translate to?


They are the names of software packages (libraries) that are installed
on your system.

https://manpages.debian.org/bookworm/libnss-mymachines/nss-mymachines.8.en.html

https://manpages.debian.org/bookworm/libnss-myhostname/nss-myhostname.8.en.html

They shouldn't actually do anything, so long as the hostname being
looked up ("localhost" in this case) is found in /etc/hosts first.

.

gene@bpi52:~$ sudo mymachines
sudo: mymachines: command not found
gene@bpi52:~$
gene@bpi52:~$ sudo myhostname
sudo: myhostname: command not found
gene@bpi52:~$
still puzzledGreg  How tp verify dns? Its the same relay bounce with 
this for /etc/resolv.conf, one line

ene@bpi52:~$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
# Generated by NetworkManager
nameserver 192.168.71.1

And it seems to work:
gene@bpi52:~$ ping -c1 yahoo.com
PING yahoo.com (74.6.231.20): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 74.6.231.20: icmp_seq=0 ttl=49 time=49.130 ms
--- yahoo.com ping statistics ---
1 packets transmitted, 1 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 49.130/49.130/49.130/0.000 ms

Thanks Greg

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-21 Thread David Christensen


On 1/21/24 03:47, gene heskett wrote:

On 1/21/24 01:33, David Christensen wrote:
I am still uncertain if those are internal SSD errors or SATA errors. 
Please check if you see matching errors in dmesg(1).


There aren't any. Those hours would very closely correspond to my 
attempts to rsync and the OOM deamon killed the machine, which it did 
around 10 times.  So logging by then had been killed. That to me is the 
smoking gun. 



Kernel ring buffer is renewed with each boot and newer messages 
overwrite older messages.  So, you will want to save or clear the ring 
buffer with demsg(1), save a SMART full report, exercise the disk with 
dd(1) and/or a SMART test, save the ring buffer, save a SMART full 
report, and analyze everything to see if you have disk problems, SATA 
problems, and/or system problems.  Once everything passes without error, 
the disk is ready to be put into service.



2T is enough /home for the nonce. so I'll do the rsync 
thing going the other direction, using it for a backup of /home 
until I'm ready for trixie.


However I am tempted to zero the drives an recreate the raid w/o 
formatting since the mdadm seems capable to installing itw own 
filesystems to use the whole drive unpartitioned, giving me a backup 
that sizewise is about the same as the single 2T drive has now.


And although my single experience with lvm over a decade ago was a total 
disaster, made out of used spinning rust I may now see how the other 4 
2T's assembled as a lvm for amandas vtapes as an 8T lvm to backup the 
whole system, which in addition to the 4 cnc'd machines, has over the 
last 5 years seen a train of 3d printers go by. If all 3, currently a 
WIP, get rebuilt, the smallest is 305 by, the largest is 400 by.  And 
all I hope will lay plastic at 200+ mm a second.  Normal consumer stuff 
is 40 to 60.


Obviously I have an eclectic choice of too many hobbies. ;o)>
Now if curiosity doesn't kill this cat, I need to find some breakfast 
and git to it.



This and other threads have led me to the conclusion that consumer SSD's 
are meant for devices that are off most of the time -- e.g. notepad, 
laptop, desktop, and workstation computers.  If you put them into a NAS/ 
file server and run them 24x7, they will die sometime after 2 years.



So, I suggest:

1.  Build a storage server using NAS or enterprise HDD's.  Use an 
enterprise SSD or DOM for the OS.  Run it 24x7 or shut it down as you like.


2.  Use your Asus PRIME Z370-A II as a workstation.  Install the WD 
Black M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD.  Connect the optical drive to the first 
motherboard SATA port.  Install Debian onto the WD Black.  Then, connect 
the five Samsung EVO 870's to the remaining motherboard SATA ports.  Set 
them up as a 5-way mirror (RAID1).  Use the Samsung RAID as a scratch 
disk for your 3-D work.  As the Samsung's die off, replace them with the 
Gigastones.  Shut it down when you are not using it.


3.  For Amanda, either add more HDD's to the storage server or build 
another server.  If another server, shut it down when you are not using it.



David

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 03:20:09PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> hosts:  files mymachines dns myhostname

> That's as installed, but hosts: line looks skunky to me.
> what do mymachines and myhostname actually translate to?

They are the names of software packages (libraries) that are installed
on your system.

https://manpages.debian.org/bookworm/libnss-mymachines/nss-mymachines.8.en.html

https://manpages.debian.org/bookworm/libnss-myhostname/nss-myhostname.8.en.html

They shouldn't actually do anything, so long as the hostname being
looked up ("localhost" in this case) is found in /etc/hosts first.

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out


On 1/21/24 14:58, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 02:26:42PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:

Every time it was ran and asked for file:// or http:// localhost:80 you wind
up looking at google seatch failure screen saying there is no such thing as
localhost.


$ host localhost
$ grep localhost /etc/hosts
$ grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf

Chrome doesn't treat "localhost" specially.  It just looks it up like any
other hostname.  If your local definition of "localhost" is screwed up,
then you will get screwed-up results.  I'm pretty certain this was what
we concluded last time you brought this up -- that your /etc/hosts file
had an incorrect or missing entry for localhost.

Here's what it should look like:

unicorn:~$ host localhost
localhost has address 127.0.0.1
unicorn:~$ grep localhost /etc/hosts
127.0.0.1   localhost
::1 localhost ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
unicorn:~$ grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf
hosts:  files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns

.

Every /etc/hosts file is the same here, and all contain
127.0.0.1   localhost
without a alias.
one of the armbians that does not work with chromium:
gene@bpi52:~$ cat /etc/nsswitch.conf
# /etc/nsswitch.conf
#
# Example configuration of GNU Name Service Switch functionality.
# If you have the `glibc-doc-reference' and `info' packages installed, try:
# `info libc "Name Service Switch"' for information about this file.

passwd: files
group:  files
shadow: files
gshadow:files

hosts:  files mymachines dns myhostname
networks:   files

protocols:  db files
services:   db files
ethers: db files
rpc:db files

netgroup:   nis

That's as installed, but hosts: line looks skunky to me.
what do mymachines and myhostname actually translate to?

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 02:50:59PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> It was also true here using the file:// prefix, trying look at the html
> versions of the man pages in /usr/share/local/docs.  Firefox-esr can use
> that syntax just fine.
> 
> Where the difference be?

https://wooledge.org/~greg/gene/chrome1.png
https://wooledge.org/~greg/gene/chrome2.png

The difference, Gene, is in something YOU did.  It works for everyone
else.

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 02:26:42PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> Every time it was ran and asked for file:// or http:// localhost:80 you wind
> up looking at google seatch failure screen saying there is no such thing as
> localhost.

$ host localhost
$ grep localhost /etc/hosts
$ grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf

Chrome doesn't treat "localhost" specially.  It just looks it up like any
other hostname.  If your local definition of "localhost" is screwed up,
then you will get screwed-up results.  I'm pretty certain this was what
we concluded last time you brought this up -- that your /etc/hosts file
had an incorrect or missing entry for localhost.

Here's what it should look like:

unicorn:~$ host localhost
localhost has address 127.0.0.1
unicorn:~$ grep localhost /etc/hosts
127.0.0.1   localhost
::1 localhost ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
unicorn:~$ grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf
hosts:  files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out


On 1/21/24 14:29, John Hasler wrote:

Klaus writes:

Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource
browser: chromium


I wrote:

In what way is it crippled?


Gene writes:

Port 80 has been hijacked. You cannot send it to monitor your own web
page at http://localhost:80, but the result is a 403 because google
doesn't know WTH to do with localhost...


I just tried that. No hijacking: works fine.
It was also true here using the file:// prefix, trying look at the html 
versions of the man pages in /usr/share/local/docs.  Firefox-esr can use 
that syntax just fine.


Where the difference be?

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out

2024-01-21 Thread David Wright

On Sun 21 Jan 2024 at 13:11:46 (-0500), gene heskett wrote:
> Most informative. thank you a lot Eike. I have, on another workspace
> after installing it "xournal" has opened that pdf, I have enabled the
> add annotations function but not killed a tree to test print.  I see
> both "print" and "Export as pdf" in the file menu.

In the past, I would export it.

> Are you saying that I should do the annotations, then export to pdf,
> in order to overlay my notes over that file and then print that
> exported pdf in sufficient copies for the AG office's slaves. Or if
> its correct, email the exported pdf back to them. I think that may be
> the expected response from me.

I would encrypt it before returning it. I would use the password
that encoded the original PDF, which contained sensistive information.
Obviously you're not in that situation, but are the one who has to
inform the recipient of the password /before/ sending the document.

I would decode their documents with:
  $ pdftk pw-protected.pdf input_pw pass\!word cat output unprotected.pdf
and encode mine with:
  $ pdftk unprotected.pdf cat output pw-protected.pdf user_pw pass\!word

The attached is a laborious method for generating and adding
annotations, long since replaced by either digital signing
or document uploading.

Cheers,
David.
1) Decrypt the PDF to be annotated.

2) Preparation of transparent text annotation:

$ inkscape

Text>Text and Font
if necessary.

click on text tool (F8)
place the cursor on the page
write the text
click on select tool (F1)

File>Document Properties
click on Background
set everything to zero (especially Alpha) in the background menu
click on Resize Page to Content...
click on Resize Page to Drawing or Selection
click on X (may/may not be necessary).

File>Save As
Plain SVG

3) Preparation of transparent image annotation:

Make a dark copy.

$ inkscape

File>Import
select (PNG) file
select Embed
place the image.

Path>Trace Bitmap
press Update?
select Multiple Scans 2-8, Colours, Remove Background
leave Smooth, Stack scans
press Update
press OK

select the main picture (which is two) and drag one away

If it's not clear which is which,
select
Right click>Object Properties
select each in turn, and the one wanted is the "path", not the "image".

select the path one,
File>Document Properties
click on Background
set everything to zero (especially Alpha) in the background menu
click on Resize Page to Content...
click on Resize Page to Drawing or Selection
click on X (may/may not be necessary)

File>Save As
Plain SVG

4) To capture a bit of text:

Type it in xterm, emacs, anywhere.
If the text is white on black, select it to reverse the colours.
Grab PNG and drag round it rather than grabbing the whole window.

5) Following "PDF annotation" in file:///usr/share/doc/xournal/manual.html ...

$ xournal

File>Annotate PDF
tick "Attach file to the journal",
open the PDF.

Tools>Image
click top-left corner of required placing,
open the BMP,GIF,JPG,PBM,PGM,PNG,PPM,SVG,TIF,XBM,XPM image file
(may need to click on All Files),
resize and position (NB aspect-ratio is not preserved).

Tools>Select Region
allows readjustment of a previously placed image.

File>Export to PDF

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out


On 1/21/24 13:55, Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ wrote:

On Sonntag, 21. Januar 2024 15:11:46 -03 gene heskett wrote:

On 1/21/24 09:04, Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ wrote:

On Sonntag, 21. Januar 2024 02:35:13 -03 gene heskett wrote:

I'm trying to get our states Attorney General to exert some
influence
over a cell phone bill I don't owe. The AG has sent me a form
letter
PDF with fill in the blanks for all the info.

Do we have an editor in our arsenal that can do that to a pdf?

Thanks all.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.


Just a remark.
Gene,
many people (working in General Attorney offices too) do not know
that they must not simply send a dokument to PRINT as PDF but that
it is necessary to EXPORT the document as PDF. If it is sent to
print then it loses all ability to fill in the form, because it
ends up as a PDF which is meant to be printed and nothing else.
If the the form has fields to be filled by the receiver of the form,
then the only way to go is (for example with Libreoffice Writer)
export as PDF. If you have received a form you may open it using
Okular. If Okular then shows:
"This document has forms. Click on the button to interact with them,
or use View -> Show Forms." and also shows the pertinent button
"Show Forms" then all is well.
If Okular does not show the message nor the button then you are out
of luck.
You might ask the sender to send the form again but this time using
"Export to pdf" instead of just sending it as a file to the pdf
printer. But many an office worker is too computer illiterate to
manage "such a complex task" (it's not complicated).
Then all options left to you is painting over the pdf. Either by
using a drwaing program like other already mentioned or by using
Okular and trying to insert text over the form. It's try-and-error
to hit the right spot.
*Important:*
In any case THEN you need to send the form as file to a pdf printer.
Otherwise the overlay is only stored on your disk but will not be
sent to the intended receiver together with the original pdf file.

Hope eventually all goes well for you and all the best to you
Eike
--
Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ / ZP5CGE


Most informative. thank you a lot Eike. I have, on another workspace
after installing it "xournal" has opened that pdf, I have enabled the
add annotations function but not killed a tree to test print.  I see
both "print" and "Export as pdf" in the file menu.

Are you saying that I should do the annotations, then export to pdf,
in order to overlay my notes over that file and then print that
exported pdf in sufficient copies for the AG office's slaves. Or if
its correct, email the exported pdf back to them. I think that may be
the expected response from me.


You can do the annotations and directly print as file to a pdf-printer.
The resulting file can then be sent to the office. You might have to rename
the file because it will most certainly have a name like print.pdf which
is not very informative for storing.
Thanks for the warning.  I'll be on the lookout for that. this thing 
promises to take a while as 3 of the 6 pages are fill in the checkmarks 
or blank area.  The first 3 pages are all "if this, do this" 
instructions, trying to cover all the bases in one swell foop.

Thanks again Eike, Take care, stay warm, dry & well please

Well yes, it's quite warm her in Asunción - about 34°C / 93°F
;-)
All the best
Eike


And I don't always remember that what I type can hit every piece of 
cat-6 on the planet ;o)> <-big smiley with a white goatee.



Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ / ZP5CGE



.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out


On 22/1/24 03:24, Bret Busby wrote:

On 22/1/24 03:07, Bret Busby wrote:

On 22/1/24 02:44, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 01:36:27PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled 
OpenSource
browser: chromium, which is based on chrome. But I was not talking 
about the

chrome itself.

AFAIK are these Google related parts removed in chromium; at least
  they were several years ago.


I wonder if that's the case.  AFAIK Chromium is distributed by Google,
so it's just Chrome with the proprietary bits removed.  I'd be 
surprised

if Google was going through the trouble to remove the bits that are
beneficial to them.

I'd expect a de-Googlized version of Chrome/Chromium to be named
differently (maybe Wolfram, as suggested by Bret) and distributed by
some other team (one that cares more about Free Software and privacy
than Google).


Wolfram is taken. Perhaps Vanadium?

Cheers
No - Wolfram is in the same group as Chromium, but, whilst Vanadium is 
in the same period as Chromium, it is in Group 5, rather than Group 
6,  > in which, are Chromium (Cr), Molybdenum (Mo) (which sounds like the
jeans that Molly was wearing :) ), Wolfram (W) (commonly known as 
Tungsten),  and Seaborgium (Sg (but not Singapore :) ) (which makes it 
sound like one of the borgs (microsoft, google, etc) have hijacked a 
sealiner).




- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table

"
How toxic is seaborgium?

Currently, there are not very many uses of seaborgium. The element's 
radioactive state makes it toxic to organisms and so has no biological 
role.

"

(Maybe, microsoft or google have hijacked (made a hostile takeover of) a 
sealiner, to that they can conduct their operations offshore, to evade 
paying taxes (or employees) under any country's laws...)


So, maybe, a good, alternative name, for an open source web browser 
like chrome/chromium, but, not controlled by the google borg, should 
probably, best and most simply, be named NotChroming...


:)


Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.




Here is an interesting thing...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ungoogled-chromium


Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out

2024-01-21 Thread John Hasler

Klaus writes:
> Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource
> browser: chromium

I wrote:
> In what way is it crippled?

Gene writes:
> Port 80 has been hijacked. You cannot send it to monitor your own web
> page at http://localhost:80, but the result is a 403 because google
> doesn't know WTH to do with localhost...

I just tried that. No hijacking: works fine.


-- 
John Hasler 
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out


On 1/21/24 13:36, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 01:30:41PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:

chroming is dangerous.


I haven't touched it since they hijacked port 80 so you cannot use it
locally.


Gene, this is NOT true.  Chrome does not "hijack port 80".  You can
go to http://localhost:80/ to talk to a local web server *just fine*
in Chrome.

This is another one of your imaginary problems, which has already been
disproved, but to which you still cling.  You seem to have many of these.

I'm not going to spend the time to dig up the old thread in which you
first espoused this idea, and in which I showed you that it's untrue.
That would be a waste of my time.


I take it you are speaking from debian

I can't make it work here and can supply screenshots if the server will 
pass them. Armbian uses the debian-arm repos for everything but the 
iso's. and snaps. First noticed on armbian installs here a few months 
ago. However it appears I have nuked it from all the armbian machines 
live ATM. And from this one too. So I can't even supply the screenshots.


Some versions of klipper, the 3d printer driver, used port 80 to display 
klippers web page, as did octoprint and friends but late versions of 
klipper now serve their web page on port 10088 to get around this 
problem. Since chromium is the default browser on armbian, I've spent 
several hours scattered over 2 weeks to make it work, failed on every 
machine that had it. Every time it was ran and asked for file:// or 
http:// localhost:80 you wind up looking at google seatch failure screen 
saying there is no such thing as localhost. True even if I gave it the 
name or ipv4 address of any machine on my network as long as it was 
ending in :80 or left blank. https to Port 8080 works but none of my 
printers use https. It might work, if my cable supplied modem was 
provisioned for ipv6. Since I'm 150 miles so of the nearest ipv6 address 
here I don't expect it to work anytime soon.  You might have an old copy 
that still works, but I'm not making it up. I do know what I've seen.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out


On 22/1/24 03:07, Bret Busby wrote:

On 22/1/24 02:44, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 01:36:27PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled 
OpenSource
browser: chromium, which is based on chrome. But I was not talking 
about the

chrome itself.

AFAIK are these Google related parts removed in chromium; at least
  they were several years ago.


I wonder if that's the case.  AFAIK Chromium is distributed by Google,
so it's just Chrome with the proprietary bits removed.  I'd be surprised
if Google was going through the trouble to remove the bits that are
beneficial to them.

I'd expect a de-Googlized version of Chrome/Chromium to be named
differently (maybe Wolfram, as suggested by Bret) and distributed by
some other team (one that cares more about Free Software and privacy
than Google).


Wolfram is taken. Perhaps Vanadium?

Cheers
No - Wolfram is in the same group as Chromium, but, whilst Vanadium is 
in the same period as Chromium, it is in Group 5, rather than Group 6,  > in which, are Chromium (Cr), Molybdenum (Mo) (which sounds like the
jeans that Molly was wearing :) ), Wolfram (W) (commonly known as 
Tungsten),  and Seaborgium (Sg (but not Singapore :) ) (which makes it 
sound like one of the borgs (microsoft, google, etc) have hijacked a 
sealiner).




- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table

"
How toxic is seaborgium?

Currently, there are not very many uses of seaborgium. The element's 
radioactive state makes it toxic to organisms and so has no biological 
role.

"

(Maybe, microsoft or google have hijacked (made a hostile takeover of) a 
sealiner, to that they can conduct their operations offshore, to evade 
paying taxes (or employees) under any country's laws...)


So, maybe, a good, alternative name, for an open source web browser like 
chrome/chromium, but, not controlled by the google borg, should 
probably, best and most simply, be named NotChroming...


:)


Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.



--
..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out

2024-01-21 Thread John Hasler

 Greg Wooledge writes:
> Chrome does not "hijack port 80".  You can go to http://localhost:80/
> to talk to a local web server *just fine* in Chrome.

And in Chromium.  And in Firefox or Lynx when Chromium is running.
Nothing's being hijacked.
-- 
John Hasler 
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out


On 22/1/24 02:44, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 01:36:27PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:

Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource
browser: chromium, which is based on chrome. But I was not talking about the
chrome itself.

AFAIK are these Google related parts removed in chromium; at least
  they were several years ago.


I wonder if that's the case.  AFAIK Chromium is distributed by Google,
so it's just Chrome with the proprietary bits removed.  I'd be surprised
if Google was going through the trouble to remove the bits that are
beneficial to them.

I'd expect a de-Googlized version of Chrome/Chromium to be named
differently (maybe Wolfram, as suggested by Bret) and distributed by
some other team (one that cares more about Free Software and privacy
than Google).


Wolfram is taken. Perhaps Vanadium?

Cheers
No - Wolfram is in the same group as Chromium, but, whilst Vanadium is 
in the same period as Chromium, it is in Group 5, rather than Group 6, 
in which, are Chromium (Cr), Molybdenum (Mo) (which sounds like the 
jeans that Molly was wearing :) ), Wolfram (W) (commonly known as 
Tungsten),  and Seaborgium (Sg (but not Singapore :) ) (which makes it 
sound like one of the borgs (microsoft, google, etc) have hijacked a 
sealiner).


So, maybe, a good, alternative name, for an open source web browser like 
chrome/chromium, but, not controlled by the google borg, should 
probably, best and most simply, be named NotChroming...


:)


Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out

2024-01-21 Thread fxkl47BF

On Sun, 21 Jan 2024, Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 01:30:41PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> chroming is dangerous.
>>
>> I haven't touched it since they hijacked port 80 so you cannot use it
>> locally.
>
> Gene, this is NOT true.  Chrome does not "hijack port 80".  You can
> go to http://localhost:80/ to talk to a local web server *just fine*
> in Chrome.
>
> This is another one of your imaginary problems, which has already been
> disproved, but to which you still cling.  You seem to have many of these.
>
> I'm not going to spend the time to dig up the old thread in which you
> first espoused this idea, and in which I showed you that it's untrue.
> That would be a waste of my time.
>

but in one of your previous emails you stated

"Yeah, I wasn't 100% correct in my previous message."

so how much of this message should gene follow

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out

2024-01-21 Thread Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ

On Sonntag, 21. Januar 2024 15:11:46 -03 gene heskett wrote:
> On 1/21/24 09:04, Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ wrote:
> > On Sonntag, 21. Januar 2024 02:35:13 -03 gene heskett wrote:
> >> I'm trying to get our states Attorney General to exert some
> >> influence
> >> over a cell phone bill I don't owe. The AG has sent me a form
> >> letter
> >> PDF with fill in the blanks for all the info.
> >> 
> >> Do we have an editor in our arsenal that can do that to a pdf?
> >> 
> >> Thanks all.
> >> 
> >> Cheers, Gene Heskett.
> > 
> > Just a remark.
> > Gene,
> > many people (working in General Attorney offices too) do not know
> > that they must not simply send a dokument to PRINT as PDF but that
> > it is necessary to EXPORT the document as PDF. If it is sent to
> > print then it loses all ability to fill in the form, because it
> > ends up as a PDF which is meant to be printed and nothing else.
> > If the the form has fields to be filled by the receiver of the form,
> > then the only way to go is (for example with Libreoffice Writer)
> > export as PDF. If you have received a form you may open it using
> > Okular. If Okular then shows:
> > "This document has forms. Click on the button to interact with them,
> > or use View -> Show Forms." and also shows the pertinent button
> > "Show Forms" then all is well.
> > If Okular does not show the message nor the button then you are out
> > of luck.
> > You might ask the sender to send the form again but this time using
> > "Export to pdf" instead of just sending it as a file to the pdf
> > printer. But many an office worker is too computer illiterate to
> > manage "such a complex task" (it's not complicated).
> > Then all options left to you is painting over the pdf. Either by
> > using a drwaing program like other already mentioned or by using
> > Okular and trying to insert text over the form. It's try-and-error
> > to hit the right spot.
> > *Important:*
> > In any case THEN you need to send the form as file to a pdf printer.
> > Otherwise the overlay is only stored on your disk but will not be
> > sent to the intended receiver together with the original pdf file.
> > 
> > Hope eventually all goes well for you and all the best to you
> > Eike
> > --
> > Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ / ZP5CGE
> 
> Most informative. thank you a lot Eike. I have, on another workspace
> after installing it "xournal" has opened that pdf, I have enabled the
> add annotations function but not killed a tree to test print.  I see
> both "print" and "Export as pdf" in the file menu.
> 
> Are you saying that I should do the annotations, then export to pdf,
> in order to overlay my notes over that file and then print that
> exported pdf in sufficient copies for the AG office's slaves. Or if
> its correct, email the exported pdf back to them. I think that may be
> the expected response from me.

You can do the annotations and directly print as file to a pdf-printer. 
The resulting file can then be sent to the office. You might have to rename 
the file because it will most certainly have a name like print.pdf which 
is not very informative for storing.
> 
> Sounds a bit complex but if xournal works as indicated its doable from
> my viewpoint.
> 
> Thanks again Eike, Take care, stay warm, dry & well please
Well yes, it's quite warm her in Asunción - about 34°C / 93°F
;-)
All the best
Eike

Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ / ZP5CGE

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out

On 22/1/24 02:13, Bret Busby wrote:

On 21/1/24 23:12, Klaus Singvogel wrote:

Bret Busby wrote:

On 21/1/24 18:36, Bret Busby wrote:

On 21/1/24 18:16, Klaus Singvogel wrote:

If the PDF is editable (has the option to fill out the blanks), I
use often chromium.

[...]
My understanding of the nature of chromium, is that it retrieves all
the

data that is input to chromium, and onsells it.

chroming is dangerous.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-18/chrome-incognito-mode-privacy-warning-change/103361328

Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled
OpenSource browser: chromium, which is based on chrome. But I was not
talking about the chrome itself.

AFAIK are these Google related parts removed in chromium; at least
they were several years ago.

Best regards,

Ah.

Then, perhaps, the open source derivative should have been named
something else, for example, Wolfram, which is in the same group as
chromium, to be not confused with chrome.

I note that the name iceape is sufficiently different to seamonkey, and
iceweasel sufficiently different to firefox, to not be confused with the
original.

Similarly with icecat and burningdog -

" The name “IceCat” was coined to show our relationship to the Mozilla
Firefox browser. Ice isn't Fire and a Cat isn't a Fox, so it is clearly
a different package (we don't want Mozilla blamed for our mistakes, nor
cause confusion with their trademarks), but is equally clearly
intimately related (of course nearly all of the work comes from the
Mozilla foundation effort, so we want to give credit).

The gNewSense BurningDog browser and the Debian IceWeasel browser are
similarly derived from Firefox, also with the intent of being free
software. Technically, however, these projects are maintained entirely
independently of IceCat. (Previously, this GNU browser project was also
named IceWeasel, but that proved confusing.) "

- https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/

And, chroming is dangerous.

Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.

In looking into this a bit further, at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_%28web_browser%29
is

"
Chromium is a free and open-source web browser project, primarily
developed and maintained by Google.[8] This codebase provides the vast
majority of code for the Google Chrome browser, which is proprietary
software with additional features.

The Chromium codebase is widely used. Microsoft Edge, Samsung Internet,
Opera, and many other browsers are based on the Chromium code. Moreover,
significant portions of the code are used by several app frameworks.

So, regarding
"chromium, which is based on chrome" (in the message above)
it appears to be the inverse, but, both still controlled by the google
borg.

Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out

2024-01-21 Thread tomas

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 01:36:27PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource
> > browser: chromium, which is based on chrome. But I was not talking about the
> > chrome itself.
> >
> > AFAIK are these Google related parts removed in chromium; at least
> >  they were several years ago.
> 
> I wonder if that's the case.  AFAIK Chromium is distributed by Google,
> so it's just Chrome with the proprietary bits removed.  I'd be surprised
> if Google was going through the trouble to remove the bits that are
> beneficial to them.
> 
> I'd expect a de-Googlized version of Chrome/Chromium to be named
> differently (maybe Wolfram, as suggested by Bret) and distributed by
> some other team (one that cares more about Free Software and privacy
> than Google).

Wolfram is taken. Perhaps Vanadium?

Cheers
-- 
t


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Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out

2024-01-21 Thread tomas

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 01:30:41PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:

[chromium/chrome]

> I haven't touched it since they hijacked port 80 so you cannot use it
> locally.  Their thirst for my data is inexcusable and unforgiveable.

I don't thing they do that. I mean "Google does things", but they
are far more subtle than this.

Cheers
-- 
t


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Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out


On 1/21/24 11:06, John Hasler wrote:

Klaus writes:

Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource
browser: chromium


In what way is it crippled?
Port 80 has been hijacked. You cannot send it to monitor your own web 
page at http://localhost:80, but the result is a 403 because google 
doesn't know WTH to do with localhost, yet it can call home with 
everything.


sudo apt purge it, firefox-esr or the nightly snap (on armbian) still 
works fine.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out

2024-01-21 Thread Stefan Monnier

> Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource
> browser: chromium, which is based on chrome. But I was not talking about the
> chrome itself.
>
> AFAIK are these Google related parts removed in chromium; at least
>  they were several years ago.

I wonder if that's the case.  AFAIK Chromium is distributed by Google,
so it's just Chrome with the proprietary bits removed.  I'd be surprised
if Google was going through the trouble to remove the bits that are
beneficial to them.

I'd expect a de-Googlized version of Chrome/Chromium to be named
differently (maybe Wolfram, as suggested by Bret) and distributed by
some other team (one that cares more about Free Software and privacy
than Google).


Stefan

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 01:30:41PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> > > > chroming is dangerous.
> 
> I haven't touched it since they hijacked port 80 so you cannot use it
> locally.

Gene, this is NOT true.  Chrome does not "hijack port 80".  You can
go to http://localhost:80/ to talk to a local web server *just fine*
in Chrome.

This is another one of your imaginary problems, which has already been
disproved, but to which you still cling.  You seem to have many of these.

I'm not going to spend the time to dig up the old thread in which you
first espoused this idea, and in which I showed you that it's untrue.
That would be a waste of my time.

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out

2024-01-21 Thread Stefan Monnier

> Most informative. thank you a lot Eike. I have, on another workspace after
> installing it "xournal" has opened that pdf, I have enabled the add
> annotations function but not killed a tree to test print.  I see both
> "print" and "Export as pdf" in the file menu.

FWIW, the world of "filling PDFs online" is a painful one with lots of
hidden traps.  My understanding is that what you probably want to do is
fill the "holes" of a "PDf form" that were placed there on purpose in
the PDF (it's not just empty space on the page, but the PDF includes
some side-information telling the PDF viewer/editor that this is a hole
that can filled.  For some elements, it can also include a list of
options from which to select).

What is usually described as "annotations" in this context is something
different, more like extra text you can put anywhere you like but which
will appear in a special way because it's labeled as an annotation, more
like what you'd use to add comments about a text you were asked
to review.

When I fill a PDF form, Evince lets me just click on the fields I need
to fill (and hit TAB to move from field to field).  After that, I need
to save the result (and the UI expects me to use a different file name
for that), otherwise it's happily thrown away silently.  Also the
selection of fields (with TAB or clicks) is often fiddly.

I haven't bothered to try other PDF viewers (like Atril or Okulus).


Stefan

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out


On 1/21/24 10:12, Klaus Singvogel wrote:

Bret Busby wrote:

On 21/1/24 18:36, Bret Busby wrote:

On 21/1/24 18:16, Klaus Singvogel wrote:


If the PDF is editable (has the option to fill out the blanks), I
use often chromium.


[...]

My understanding of the nature of chromium, is that it retrieves all the
data that is input to chromium, and onsells it.

chroming is dangerous.


I haven't touched it since they hijacked port 80 so you cannot use it 
locally.  Their thirst for my data is inexcusable and unforgiveable.



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-18/chrome-incognito-mode-privacy-warning-change/103361328


Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource 
browser: chromium, which is based on chrome. But I was not talking about the 
chrome itself.

AFAIK are these Google related parts removed in chromium; at least they were 
several years ago.

Best regards,
Klaus.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out

On 21/1/24 23:12, Klaus Singvogel wrote:

Bret Busby wrote:

On 21/1/24 18:36, Bret Busby wrote:

On 21/1/24 18:16, Klaus Singvogel wrote:

If the PDF is editable (has the option to fill out the blanks), I
use often chromium.

[...]

My understanding of the nature of chromium, is that it retrieves all the
data that is input to chromium, and onsells it.

chroming is dangerous.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-18/chrome-incognito-mode-privacy-warning-change/103361328

Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource
browser: chromium, which is based on chrome. But I was not talking about the
chrome itself.

AFAIK are these Google related parts removed in chromium; at least they were
several years ago.

Best regards,

Ah.

Then, perhaps, the open source derivative should have been named
something else, for example, Wolfram, which is in the same group as
chromium, to be not confused with chrome.

I note that the name iceape is sufficiently different to seamonkey, and
iceweasel sufficiently different to firefox, to not be confused with the
original.

Similarly with icecat and burningdog -

- https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/

And, chroming is dangerous.

Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out


On 1/21/24 09:04, Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ wrote:

On Sonntag, 21. Januar 2024 02:35:13 -03 gene heskett wrote:

I'm trying to get our states Attorney General to exert some influence
over a cell phone bill I don't owe. The AG has sent me a form letter
PDF with fill in the blanks for all the info.

Do we have an editor in our arsenal that can do that to a pdf?

Thanks all.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.


Just a remark.
Gene,
many people (working in General Attorney offices too) do not know that
they must not simply send a dokument to PRINT as PDF but that it is
necessary to EXPORT the document as PDF. If it is sent to print then it
loses all ability to fill in the form, because it ends up as a PDF which
is meant to be printed and nothing else.
If the the form has fields to be filled by the receiver of the form, then
the only way to go is (for example with Libreoffice Writer) export as PDF.
If you have received a form you may open it using Okular. If Okular then
shows:
"This document has forms. Click on the button to interact with them, or
use View -> Show Forms." and also shows the pertinent button "Show
Forms" then all is well.
If Okular does not show the message nor the button then you are out of
luck.
You might ask the sender to send the form again but this time using
"Export to pdf" instead of just sending it as a file to the pdf printer.
But many an office worker is too computer illiterate to manage "such a
complex task" (it's not complicated).
Then all options left to you is painting over the pdf. Either by using a
drwaing program like other already mentioned or by using Okular and
trying to insert text over the form. It's try-and-error to hit the right
spot.
*Important:*
In any case THEN you need to send the form as file to a pdf printer.
Otherwise the overlay is only stored on your disk but will not be sent
to the intended receiver together with the original pdf file.

Hope eventually all goes well for you and all the best to you
Eike
--
Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ / ZP5CGE

Most informative. thank you a lot Eike. I have, on another workspace 
after installing it "xournal" has opened that pdf, I have enabled the 
add annotations function but not killed a tree to test print.  I see 
both "print" and "Export as pdf" in the file menu.


Are you saying that I should do the annotations, then export to pdf, in 
order to overlay my notes over that file and then print that exported 
pdf in sufficient copies for the AG office's slaves. Or if its correct, 
email the exported pdf back to them. I think that may be the expected 
response from me.


Sounds a bit complex but if xournal works as indicated its doable from 
my viewpoint.


Thanks again Eike, Take care, stay warm, dry & well please



.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out


On 21/1/24 18:39, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 06:36:23PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:

[...]


My understanding of the nature of chromium, is that it retrieves all the
data that is input to chromium, and onsells it.


hear, hear.


chroming is dangerous.


May I steal that phrase?

Cheers

Yes of course.

Open source is about sharing.

:)


Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help


On 1/21/24 04:35, Max Nikulin wrote:


On 21/01/2024 03:23, gene heskett wrote:

Right now nothing in the system is north of 32C, might get to 36C at
the end of a 9 minute build of something in OpenSCAD. 


I would say that 53°C and even 44°C is well above 36°C you expected:

On 21/01/2024 12:48, gene heskett wrote:


SCT Status Version:  3
SCT Version (vendor specific):   256 (0x0100)
Device State:    DST executing in background (3)
Current Temperature:    28 Celsius
Power Cycle Min/Max Temperature: 26/44 Celsius
Lifetime    Min/Max Temperature: 24/53 Celsius
Specified Max Operating Temperature:    70 Celsius
Under/Over Temperature Limit Count:   0/0



Device Statistics (GP Log 0x04)

0x05  =  =   =  ===  == Temperature Statistics (rev 1) ==
0x05  0x008  1  28  ---  Current Temperature
0x05  0x020  1  53  ---  Highest Temperature
0x05  0x028  1  24  ---  Lowest Temperature
0x05  0x058  1  70  ---  Specified Maximum Operating 
Temperature


IIRC the fan in the front of an upper drive cage got unplugged for a 
while, half an hour maybe, about a year ago while I was doing my annual 
D on it.  These SSD's all of them have a label claiming they need 5 
volts and 1 amp, that is 5 watts, but I don't think that is a steady 
load, probably only when writing at 500+ mhz,  ! watt or less of heat is 
much closer to normal operation.


Thank you, take care, stay warm, dry and well, Max. Having a heat wave 
here, its up to 21F out at 12:25 pm here, 16" of white stuff on the 
front deck, got cold & had to replace the battery's in my smart t-stat 
about an hour ago.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out

2024-01-21 Thread Klaus Singvogel

John Hasler wrote:
> Klaus writes:
> > Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource
> > browser: chromium
> 
> In what way is it crippled?

Properietary parts are missing, which require a fee to ship, like Widevine.

In the past I couldn't watch Video on Demand with chromium, whereas chrome was 
capable. Currently I don't watch any more, can't say much about current 
situation.

Regards,
Klaus.
-- 
Klaus Singvogel
GnuPG-Key-ID: 1024R/5068792D  1994-06-27

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out

2024-01-21 Thread John Hasler

Klaus writes:
> Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource
> browser: chromium

In what way is it crippled?
-- 
John Hasler 
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out

2024-01-21 Thread Klaus Singvogel

Bret Busby wrote:
> On 21/1/24 18:36, Bret Busby wrote:
> > On 21/1/24 18:16, Klaus Singvogel wrote:
> > > 
> > > If the PDF is editable (has the option to fill out the blanks), I
> > > use often chromium.
> > > 
[...]
> > My understanding of the nature of chromium, is that it retrieves all the
> > data that is input to chromium, and onsells it.
> > 
> > chroming is dangerous.

> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-18/chrome-incognito-mode-privacy-warning-change/103361328

Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource 
browser: chromium, which is based on chrome. But I was not talking about the 
chrome itself.

AFAIK are these Google related parts removed in chromium; at least they were 
several years ago.

Best regards,
Klaus.
-- 
Klaus Singvogel
GnuPG-Key-ID: 1024R/5068792D  1994-06-27

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out

2024-01-21 Thread Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ

On Sonntag, 21. Januar 2024 02:35:13 -03 gene heskett wrote:
> I'm trying to get our states Attorney General to exert some influence
> over a cell phone bill I don't owe. The AG has sent me a form letter
> PDF with fill in the blanks for all the info.
>
> Do we have an editor in our arsenal that can do that to a pdf?
>
> Thanks all.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett.

Just a remark.
Gene,
many people (working in General Attorney offices too) do not know that
they must not simply send a dokument to PRINT as PDF but that it is
necessary to EXPORT the document as PDF. If it is sent to print then it
loses all ability to fill in the form, because it ends up as a PDF which
is meant to be printed and nothing else.
If the the form has fields to be filled by the receiver of the form, then
the only way to go is (for example with Libreoffice Writer) export as PDF.
If you have received a form you may open it using Okular. If Okular then
shows:
"This document has forms. Click on the button to interact with them, or
use View -> Show Forms." and also shows the pertinent button "Show
Forms" then all is well.
If Okular does not show the message nor the button then you are out of
luck.
You might ask the sender to send the form again but this time using
"Export to pdf" instead of just sending it as a file to the pdf printer.
But many an office worker is too computer illiterate to manage "such a
complex task" (it's not complicated).
Then all options left to you is painting over the pdf. Either by using a
drwaing program like other already mentioned or by using Okular and
trying to insert text over the form. It's try-and-error to hit the right
spot.
*Important:*
In any case THEN you need to send the form as file to a pdf printer.
Otherwise the overlay is only stored on your disk but will not be sent
to the intended receiver together with the original pdf file.

Hope eventually all goes well for you and all the best to you
Eike
--
Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ / ZP5CGE

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out


On 1/21/24 04:28, Max Nikulin wrote:

On 21/01/2024 12:35, gene heskett wrote:
I'm trying to get our states Attorney General to exert some influence 
over a cell phone bill I don't owe. The AG has sent me a form letter 
PDF with fill in the blanks for all the info.


Do we have an editor in our arsenal that can do that to a pdf?


Have you tried firefox built-in PDF viewer and okular?

To add a "handwritten" signature I used xournal.


Thank you, that at least seems to work although not hardcopy tested yet.


.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out


On 1/21/24 02:11, Marco Moock wrote:

Am 21.01.2024 um 00:35:13 Uhr schrieb gene heskett:


The AG has sent me a form letter PDF with fill in the blanks for all
the info.

Do we have an editor in our arsenal that can do that to a pdf?


If the fields are technically a form, evince can fill them out.
I had it "annotate" my name on the appropriate page, left an icon there, 
then printed that page as a test, printout was blank.  No help from the 
help button. Have we something that actually works?



If not, you can use Libreoffice, but format might break.


That, sent to writer, redirected the pdf to draw and refused to go to 
the next pages. Tried it twice, got draw twice, did find the correct 
page, under a navigate pulldown but while it did take clicks like it was 
marking some, the location marked was half a page from the click 
location.  I quite w/o saving.


Thanks.



.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out


On 1/21/24 01:36, David Christensen wrote:

On 1/20/24 21:35, gene heskett wrote:
I'm trying to get our states Attorney General to exert some influence 
over a cell phone bill I don't owe. The AG has sent me a form letter 
PDF with fill in the blanks for all the info.


Do we have an editor in our arsenal that can do that to a pdf?

Thanks all.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.



Atril Document Viewer works for me.


I have it installed, but while the display gui looks like an editor, 
nothing happens when I type something or click on a checkbox. My 
handwriting is pretty bad so I'd much rather be able to type my answers 
to the many questions presented, typing into the supplied blank spaces.


Am I doing something and the edit functions are disabled?



David

.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/21/24 01:33, David Christensen wrote:

On 1/20/24 21:48, gene heskett wrote:

New -x version for this SSD attached

 > SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 1
 > Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
 > ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAGS    VALUE WORST THRESH FAIL RAW_VALUE
 >   5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   PO--CK   094   094   010    -    64
 > 183 Runtime_Bad_Block   PO--C-   094   094   010    -    64
 > 187 Uncorrectable_Error_Cnt -O--CK   099   099   000    -    392
 > 195 ECC_Error_Rate  -O-RC-   199   199   000    -    392
 > 199 CRC_Error_Count -OSRCK   099   099   000    -    2

Those attributes are worrisome.  Especially Reallocated_Sector_Ct and 
Runtime_Bad_Block -- I am confident those are inside the SSD.

 >   9 Power_On_Hours  -O--CK   095   095   000    -    21194

That is equivalent to 10.2 years at 40 hours/week.

Machine runs 24/7/365.25

 > 241 Total_LBAs_Written  -O--CK   099   099   000    -    38429262625

TBW specification for 1 TB drive is 600TB.  You are at 19.7.

relatively low IOW.

 > Error 466 [1] occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 21078 hours (878 
days + 6 hours)
 >   When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was 
active or idle.

 >
 >   After command completion occurred, registers were:
 >   ER -- ST COUNT  LBA_48  LH LM LL DV DC
 >   -- -- -- == -- == == == -- -- -- -- --
 >   40 -- 51 00 40 00 00 1b a4 0d 18 40 00  Error: WP at LBA = 
0x1ba40d18 = 463736088

 >
 >   Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
 >   CR FEATR COUNT  LBA_48  LH LM LL DV DC  Powered_Up_Time 
Command/Feature_Name
 >   -- == -- == -- == == == -- -- -- -- --  --- 

 >   61 00 08 00 40 00 00 1b a4 0d 18 40 08  1d+03:35:20.430  WRITE 
FPDMA QUEUED
 >   60 0a 00 00 38 00 00 70 f1 a4 00 40 07  1d+03:35:20.430  READ FPDMA 
QUEUED
 >   60 07 80 00 30 00 00 70 f1 3c 80 40 06  1d+03:35:20.430  READ FPDMA 
QUEUED
 >   61 00 28 00 28 00 00 1b a4 0d 38 40 05  1d+03:35:20.430  WRITE 
FPDMA QUEUED
 >   47 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 40 02  1d+03:35:20.430  READ LOG 
DMA EXT

 >
 > Error 465 [0] occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 21078 hours (878 
days + 6 hours)

 > ...
 > Error 464 [3] occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 21078 hours (878 
days + 6 hours)

 > ...
 > Error 463 [2] occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 21078 hours (878 
days + 6 hours)

I am still uncertain if those are internal SSD errors or SATA errors. 
Please check if you see matching errors in dmesg(1).

There aren't any. Those hours would very closely correspond to my 
attempts to rsync and the OOM deamon killed the machine, which it did 
around 10 times.  So logging by then had been killed. That to me is the 
smoking gun. 2T is enough /home for the nonce. so I'll do the rsync 
thing going the other direction, using it for a backup of /home until 
I'm ready for trixie.

However I am tempted to zero the drives an recreate the raid w/o 
formatting since the mdadm seems capable to installing itw own 
filesystems to use the whole drive unpartitioned, giving me a backup 
that sizewise is about the same as the single 2T drive has now.

And although my single experience with lvm over a decade ago was a total 
disaster, made out of used spinning rust I may now see how the other 4 
2T's assembled as a lvm for amandas vtapes as an 8T lvm to backup the 
whole system, which in addition to the 4 cnc'd machines, has over the 
last 5 years seen a train of 3d printers go by. If all 3, currently a 
WIP, get rebuilt, the smallest is 305 by, the largest is 400 by.  And 
all I hope will lay plastic at 200+ mm a second.  Normal consumer stuff 
is 40 to 60.

Obviously I have an eclectic choice of too many hobbies. ;o)>
Now if curiosity doesn't kill this cat, I need to find some breakfast 
and git to it.

Thank you David, take care, stay warm dry and well.

David

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Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out

2024-01-21 Thread tomas

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 06:36:23PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:

[...]

> My understanding of the nature of chromium, is that it retrieves all the
> data that is input to chromium, and onsells it.

hear, hear.

> chroming is dangerous.

May I steal that phrase?

Cheers
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Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out


On 21/1/24 18:36, Bret Busby wrote:

On 21/1/24 18:16, Klaus Singvogel wrote:

gene heskett wrote:
I'm trying to get our states Attorney General to exert some influence 
over a
cell phone bill I don't owe. The AG has sent me a form letter PDF 
with fill

in the blanks for all the info.


If the PDF is editable (has the option to fill out the blanks), I use 
often chromium.



Do we have an editor in our arsenal that can do that to a pdf?


I bought Master PDF Editor, but even the commercial Qoppa looks quiet 
interesting.


My experience is, I can use MasterPDF Editor on two machines (i.e. 
Desktop and Laptop), which is a requirement for me. Some times I need 
to reinstall the Debian Packages again, because it "forgets" its 
license or has issues with Qt5 - so I kept the original Debian 
Packages, as I didn't want to buy it again. I'm using Master PDF 
Editor on Debian now over various Debian versions, and over various 
machines since several years. Not renewing the lincese means only that 
I'm kept away from the latest features, but not from the original progam.


Best regards,
Klaus.
My understanding of the nature of chromium, is that it retrieves all the 
data that is input to chromium, and onsells it.


chroming is dangerous.


Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-18/chrome-incognito-mode-privacy-warning-change/103361328


Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
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Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out