Re: ntpdate troubles
on Wed, Jun 19, 2002, Jerome BENOIT ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Thanks for your answers Bill Benedetto wrote: If you ran ntpdate directly, what machine did you tell ntpdate to use? Something inside your building or something outside your building? outside my building Is your firewall blocking udp packets? ntp used udp, and won't work if udp traffic isn't passed. Typically, pings (icmp) are allowed, which may make diagnosing this difficult. tcpdump is your friend. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? KQED FM: The bright spot on the dial: http://www.kqed.org/fm/ pgpSyZm0Ertyf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ntpdate troubles
Thank you for your message. My kernel is a standard one: 2.2.19 (potato). But I biuld my own kernle with `make-kpkg' (the debian tool to build quickly a personnalised): may be I removed an option that I should not. Since I have the same troubles with another computer running with the kernel installed by Debian, I guess that I have misconfigured my connect with the local network. Thanks, Jerome Bob Hauck wrote: On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Jerome BENOIT wrote: Another stupid question: You *ARE* doing this as root, right? It has to be run as root. Yes The manpage for ntpdate says that -d won't actually set the clock. Does ntpdate -v -B ntp.apple.com work (that is, without the -d)? without the -d it does not work. That the point: I CANNOT set the clock ! Have you done any messing with capabilities? In src/kernel/time.c: /* In order to modify anything, you gotta be super-user! */ if (txc-modes !capable(CAP_SYS_TIME)) return -EPERM; Also, are you using a standard kernel or a custom one? I'm thinking that maybe the adjtimex() system call got broken somehow, as that's what ntpdate uses to set the time. -- Jerome BENOIT, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ntpdate troubles
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 04:45:12PM -0400, Bill Benedetto wrote: Okay. ntpdate with no REMOTE_MACHINE_NAME_GOES_HERE gives me no servers can be used, exiting It wasn't a literal, he ment chose a time server to pick on and put it's name there. 8:o) - -- Baloo -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9EXErNtWkM9Ny9xURAqXqAJ9WnUq0O9r+K1geZr3BbagH/xMukwCdFt7t vT3N8U5aspSdRkGs9kdBtew= =odKD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ntpdate troubles
Bill Benedetto wrote: Jerome BENOIT writes: Jerome I have just tried Jerome Jerome ntpdate 17.254.0.26 Jerome Jerome and I got exactly the same error message Jerome (17.254.0.26 is the ip btained via ping for ntp.apple.com) Jerome Jerome Very strange ! Really! Let me see if I have this straight... ntpdate ntp.apple.com FAILS... ? ntpdate 17.254.0.26FAILS... ? ntpdate -d -v -B ntp.apple.com WORKS... ? Do I have that correct? Yes ! You can try with -q option as well. I am suspecting a privilege error somewhere - Bill +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Bill Benedetto [EMAIL PROTECTED]The Goodyear Tire Rubber Co. I don't speak for Goodyear and they don't speak for me. We're both happy. -- Jerome BENOIT, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ntpdate troubles
Bill Benedetto wrote: Bill Really! Bill Bill Let me see if I have this straight... Bill Bill ntpdate ntp.apple.com FAILS... ? Bill Bill ntpdate 17.254.0.26FAILS... ? Bill Bill ntpdate -d -v -B ntp.apple.com WORKS... ? Bill Bill Do I have that correct? Jerome Yes ! Jerome Jerome You can try with -q option as well. Jerome Jerome I am suspecting a privilege error somewhere Another stupid question: You *ARE* doing this as root, right? It has to be run as root. Yes The manpage for ntpdate says that -d won't actually set the clock. Does ntpdate -v -B ntp.apple.com work (that is, without the -d)? without the -d it does not work. That the point: I CANNOT set the clock ! -d and -q seem to neutralize the setting operation: in a few words, ntpdate only fails to set the clocks. If not, then you are probably correct that it's a privilege problem somewhere Of course, at boot time it *WOULD* be run as root. Unless you are using a name at boot time and that name is not being resolved into an IP. Did you try rebooting, making sure that ntpdate would use an IP at boot time? There is the same error message in the syslog file. So many questions. So little time. (No pun intended! :-) - Bill +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Bill Benedetto [EMAIL PROTECTED]The Goodyear Tire Rubber Co. I don't speak for Goodyear and they don't speak for me. We're both happy. -- Jerome BENOIT, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ntpdate troubles
Bill Another stupid question: You *ARE* doing this as root, right? It Bill has to be run as root. Jerome Yes Bill The manpage for ntpdate says that -d won't actually set the Bill clock. Does ntpdate -v -B ntp.apple.com work (that is, without Bill the -d)? Jerome without the -d it does not work. Jerome Jerome That the point: Jerome I CANNOT set the clock ! Jerome Jerome -d and -q seem to neutralize the setting operation: Jerome in a few words, ntpdate only fails to set the clocks. Bill If not, then you are probably correct that it's a privilege Bill problem somewhere Of course, at boot time it *WOULD* be run Bill as root. Unless you are using a name at boot time and that name Bill is not being resolved into an IP. Did you try rebooting, making Bill sure that ntpdate would use an IP at boot time? Jerome There is the same error message in the syslog file. That is so cool! :-) But the error says: no server suitable for synchronization found which would not lead you to believe that you aren't allowed to update the clock. That message would lead you to believe that you couldn't find or contact the host you want to ntpdate against. I have to admit that this is beyond me. If you are really a) getting the same error message every time (no server suitable for synchronization found) and b) you are running as root and c) you are using the IP address (rather than a hostname) and d) ntpdate works if you don't actually set the clock (that is, ntpdate works in debug mode) -- -- well, it sounds impossible. Clearly it isn't since you have the problem. I've looked through the manpages for ntpdate and ntpd to see if they might yield a clue but didn't see anything. Sorry Jerome, but I am out of ideas at the moment. Anyone else have any ideas/suggestions? - Bill +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Bill Benedetto [EMAIL PROTECTED]The Goodyear Tire Rubber Co. I don't speak for Goodyear and they don't speak for me. We're both happy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ntpdate troubles
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Jerome BENOIT wrote: Another stupid question: You *ARE* doing this as root, right? It has to be run as root. Yes The manpage for ntpdate says that -d won't actually set the clock. Does ntpdate -v -B ntp.apple.com work (that is, without the -d)? without the -d it does not work. That the point: I CANNOT set the clock ! Have you done any messing with capabilities? In src/kernel/time.c: /* In order to modify anything, you gotta be super-user! */ if (txc-modes !capable(CAP_SYS_TIME)) return -EPERM; Also, are you using a standard kernel or a custom one? I'm thinking that maybe the adjtimex() system call got broken somehow, as that's what ntpdate uses to set the time. -- -| Bob Hauck -| To Whom You Are Speaking -| http://www.haucks.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ntpdate troubles
Bonjour, since a while I have troubles with `ntpdate': I get the message no server suitable for synchronization found when lauching with no option. But when I add the option -q or -d everythings look right: I quess I have missed something, but I do not know what. Any idea ? Thanks in advance, Jerome BENOIT -- Jerome BENOIT, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ntpdate troubles
hi ya is ntpd also running while you manually invoke ntpdate ?? ( you have to kill ntpd first ) what does ntpdate -v ntp.foo.com give you ?? - should give lots of info if it connected ( i pick on ntp.apple.com since they're up the street ) sample ntp testing commands options http://www.Linux-Consulting.com/NTP/NTP.Commands.txt c ya alvin eg... ntpdate -v ntp.apple.com 19 Jun 09:49:57 ntpdate[30810]: ntpdate 3-5.93 Sun May 10 16:52:03 EDT 1998 (1) 19 Jun 09:49:59 ntpdate[30810]: step time server 17.254.0.31 offset 0.834560 sec - its a little off eh ??... On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Jerome BENOIT wrote: Bonjour, since a while I have troubles with `ntpdate': I get the message no server suitable for synchronization found when lauching with no option. But when I add the option -q or -d everythings look right: I quess I have missed something, but I do not know what. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Original Message Subject: Re: ntpdate troubles Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:03:29 +0300 From: Jerome BENOIT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alvin Oga [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alvin Oga wrote: hi ya is ntpd also running while you manually invoke ntpdate ?? ( you have to kill ntpd first ) no what does ntpdate -v ntp.foo.com give you ?? - should give lots of info if it connected ( i pick on ntp.apple.com since they're up the street ) I get exactly the same thing: if I try ntpdate -d -v ntp.apple.com I get 19 Jun 20:01:51 ntpdate[1490]: ntpdate 4.0.99g Thu Apr 5 22:38:32 EDT 2001 (1) transmit(17.254.0.31) receive(17.254.0.31) transmit(17.254.0.31) receive(17.254.0.31) transmit(17.254.0.31) receive(17.254.0.31) transmit(17.254.0.31) receive(17.254.0.31) transmit(17.254.0.31) server 17.254.0.31, port 123 stratum 2, precision -14, leap 00, trust 000 refid [17.254.0.49], delay 0.28799, dispersion 0.00087 transmitted 4, in filter 4 reference time:c0bb3757.bb0c88a4 Wed, Jun 19 2002 20:01:11.730 originate timestamp: c0bb37cd.2c18e757 Wed, Jun 19 2002 20:03:09.172 transmit timestamp: c0bb3780.b944bb1a Wed, Jun 19 2002 20:01:52.723 filter delay: 0.28799 0.29434 0.30397 0.28821 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 filter offset: 76.31691 76.31817 76.32063 76.31715 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 delay 0.28799, dispersion 0.00087 offset 76.316911 19 Jun 20:01:52 ntpdate[1490]: step time server 17.254.0.31 offset 76.316911 sec sample ntp testing commands options http://www.Linux-Consulting.com/NTP/NTP.Commands.txt c ya alvin eg... ntpdate -v ntp.apple.com 19 Jun 09:49:57 ntpdate[30810]: ntpdate 3-5.93 Sun May 10 16:52:03 EDT 1998 (1) 19 Jun 09:49:59 ntpdate[30810]: step time server 17.254.0.31 offset 0.834560 sec - its a little off eh ??... On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Jerome BENOIT wrote: Bonjour, since a while I have troubles with `ntpdate': I get the message no server suitable for synchronization found when lauching with no option. But when I add the option -q or -d everythings look right: I quess I have missed something, but I do not know what. -- Jerome BENOIT, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jerome BENOIT, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ntpdate troubles (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:10:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Alvin Oga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Alvin Oga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ntpdate troubles hi ya i think you are outside the range of ntpdate to fix it will only allow a few second difference... and will give up sync'ing if you're outside the range... i usually manually reset the time to within a few seconds and than try to get ntpdate to sync then use ntpd ntpdate -d -v ntp.apple.com 19 Jun 20:01:52 ntpdate[1490]: step time server 17.254.0.31 offset 76.316911 sec 76 is too much differences ?? have fun alvin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ntpdate troubles
Jerome BENOIT writes: Jerome since a while I have troubles with `ntpdate': Jerome I get the message Jerome Jerome no server suitable for synchronization found Jerome Jerome when lauching with no option. Jerome Jerome But when I add the option -q or -d everythings look right: Jerome Jerome I quess I have missed something, Jerome but I do not know what. Jerome Jerome Any idea ? (1) You know that ntpdate just sets the date, one time, against another machine via NTP, right? (2) Did you use /etc/init.d/ntpdate start or did you run ntpdate directly? If you ran ntpdate directly, what machine did you tell ntpdate to use? Something inside your building or something outside your building? So many questions. So little time. - Bill +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Bill Benedetto [EMAIL PROTECTED]The Goodyear Tire Rubber Co. I don't speak for Goodyear and they don't speak for me. We're both happy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ntpdate troubles
Thanks for your answers Bill Benedetto wrote: Jerome BENOIT writes: Jerome since a while I have troubles with `ntpdate': Jerome I get the message Jerome Jerome no server suitable for synchronization found Jerome Jerome when lauching with no option. Jerome Jerome But when I add the option -q or -d everythings look right: Jerome Jerome I quess I have missed something, Jerome but I do not know what. Jerome Jerome Any idea ? (1) You know that ntpdate just sets the date, one time, against another machine via NTP, right? Yup ! (2) Did you use /etc/init.d/ntpdate start at boot time or did you run ntpdate directly? only to debug If you ran ntpdate directly, what machine did you tell ntpdate to use? Something inside your building or something outside your building? outside my building So many questions. So little time. - Bill +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Bill Benedetto [EMAIL PROTECTED]The Goodyear Tire Rubber Co. I don't speak for Goodyear and they don't speak for me. We're both happy. -- Jerome BENOIT, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ntpdate troubles
Bill (2) Did you use Bill /etc/init.d/ntpdate start Jerome at boot time Bill or did you run ntpdate directly? Jerome only to debug Bill If you ran ntpdate directly, what machine did you tell Bill ntpdate to use? Something inside your building or something Bill outside your building? Jerome outside my building Okay. It works okay at boot time? When you ran it by hand to debug it, the command looked something like this, right? ntpdate -b REMOTE_MACHINE_NAME_GOES_HERE That is, you did tell ntpdate the name of the machine that you are ntpdate'ing against, right? - Bill +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Bill Benedetto [EMAIL PROTECTED]The Goodyear Tire Rubber Co. I don't speak for Goodyear and they don't speak for me. We're both happy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ntpdate troubles
Bill Benedetto wrote: Bill (2) Did you use Bill /etc/init.d/ntpdate start Jerome at boot time Bill or did you run ntpdate directly? Jerome only to debug Bill If you ran ntpdate directly, what machine did you tell Bill ntpdate to use? Something inside your building or something Bill outside your building? Jerome outside my building Okay. It works okay at boot time? No ! It is why I debg it: I get exactly the samr message error in `/var/log/syslog'. When you ran it by hand to debug it, the command looked something like this, right? ntpdate -b REMOTE_MACHINE_NAME_GOES_HERE without the -b , but with -d -v -B That is, you did tell ntpdate the name of the machine that you are ntpdate'ing against, right? - Bill +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Bill Benedetto [EMAIL PROTECTED]The Goodyear Tire Rubber Co. I don't speak for Goodyear and they don't speak for me. We're both happy. -- Jerome BENOIT, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ntpdate troubles
Okay. It works okay at boot time? No ! It is why I debg it: I get exactly the samr message error in `/var/log/syslog'. on my machine, I haven't got ntpdate to work out the hostnames of any ntp server. I just pinged them, copied the ip's and dpkg-reconfigure'd ntp to look for the ip's. It has worked ever since. Success, Joris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ntpdate troubles
Bill Okay. It works okay at boot time? Jerome No ! Jerome It is why I debg it: I get exactly the samr message error in Jerome `/var/log/syslog'. Bill Bill When you ran it by hand to debug it, the command looked something Bill like this, right? Bill Bill ntpdate -b REMOTE_MACHINE_NAME_GOES_HERE Jerome without the -b , but with -d -v -B Okay. ntpdate with no REMOTE_MACHINE_NAME_GOES_HERE gives me no servers can be used, exiting I chose a machine in my building and get adjust time server 192.168.0.5 offset 0.000451 sec I chose a building outside my building (which I probably can't get to because of all our stoopid firewalls and got no server suitable for synchronization found So I would guess this means that you cannot get to the machine you are ntpdate'ing against. You showed that it worked when you did it against ntp.apple.com. I assume that it also works when you debug it by hand? If so, I would guess that Joris' suggestion is a good one: Joris on my machine, I haven't got ntpdate to work out the Joris hostnames of any ntp server. I just pinged them, copied Joris the ip's and dpkg-reconfigure'd ntp to look for the Joris ip's. It has worked ever since. Meaning that ntpdate is using a hostname but resolve the hostname into an IP... I think... :-) HTH, - Bill +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Bill Benedetto [EMAIL PROTECTED]The Goodyear Tire Rubber Co. I don't speak for Goodyear and they don't speak for me. We're both happy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ntpdate troubles
So I would guess this means that you cannot get to the machine you are ntpdate'ing against. You showed that it worked when you did it against ntp.apple.com. I assume that it also works when you debug it by hand? If so, I would guess that Joris' suggestion is a good one: Joris on my machine, I haven't got ntpdate to work out the Joris hostnames of any ntp server. I just pinged them, copied Joris the ip's and dpkg-reconfigure'd ntp to look for the Joris ip's. It has worked ever since. I have just tried ntpdate 17.254.0.26 and I got exactly the same error message (17.254.0.26 is the ip btained via ping for ntp.apple.com) Very strange ! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ntpdate troubles
Brother. I must be pretty tired. See my corrections below --- Forwarded Message Date:Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:29:13 -0400 From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ntpdate troubles Bill Okay. It works okay at boot time? Jerome No ! Jerome It is why I debg it: I get exactly the samr message error in Jerome `/var/log/syslog'. Bill Bill When you ran it by hand to debug it, the command looked something Bill like this, right? Bill Bill ntpdate -b REMOTE_MACHINE_NAME_GOES_HERE Jerome without the -b , but with -d -v -B Okay. ntpdate with no REMOTE_MACHINE_NAME_GOES_HERE gives me no servers can be used, exiting I chose a machine in my building and get adjust time server 192.168.0.5 offset 0.000451 sec I chose a *MACHINE* outside my building (which I probably can't get to because of all our stoopid firewalls*)* and got no server suitable for synchronization found So I would guess this means that you cannot get to the machine you are ntpdate'ing against. You showed that it worked when you did it against ntp.apple.com. I assume that it also works when you debug it by hand? If so, I would guess that Joris' suggestion is a good one: Joris on my machine, I haven't got ntpdate to work out the Joris hostnames of any ntp server. I just pinged them, copied Joris the ip's and dpkg-reconfigure'd ntp to look for the Joris ip's. It has worked ever since. Meaning that ntpdate is using a hostname but *CANNOT* resolve the hostname into an IP... I think... :-) HTH, - Bill +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Bill Benedetto [EMAIL PROTECTED]The Goodyear Tire Rubber Co. I don't speak for Goodyear and they don't speak for me. We're both happy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- End of Forwarded Message -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ntpdate troubles
Jerome BENOIT writes: Jerome I have just tried Jerome Jerome ntpdate 17.254.0.26 Jerome Jerome and I got exactly the same error message Jerome (17.254.0.26 is the ip btained via ping for ntp.apple.com) Jerome Jerome Very strange ! Really! Let me see if I have this straight... ntpdate ntp.apple.com FAILS... ? ntpdate 17.254.0.26FAILS... ? ntpdate -d -v -B ntp.apple.com WORKS... ? Do I have that correct? - Bill +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Bill Benedetto [EMAIL PROTECTED]The Goodyear Tire Rubber Co. I don't speak for Goodyear and they don't speak for me. We're both happy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
