Re: Serious problem with debian 12 bookworm

[err404]

On 3/1/24 1:38 PM, Byunghee HWANG wrote:

RTX 3050

this is a nvidia product, hang is usual with this shit.
may be you can try nouveau drivers (to replace nvidia drivers), and hope you 
will have a solution.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=RTX+3050+linux+resume+hang <-- there is some way to 
search

cheer

Re: Serious problem with debian 12 bookworm

[Byunghee HWANG]

Anastasia Broch  writes:

> Hi I'm using debian 12 in Lenovo yoga legion core i5 12th gen with RTX 3050 
> and I'm figuring a serious issue using debian 12 on this PC, 
> When the PC is on sleep mode ( suspend ) it's doesn't wake up anymore until 
> forcing shutting down and this each time the PC turns on suspend mode, ( 
> fastboot are disabled )of course, on my old PC dell i7 10th I
> never had this kind of issue, but this it it's the case, please help to 
> resolve this problem I really don't want to back to windows anymore. Thank 
> you so much 

What is your Desktop GUI?

GNOME? KDE? or another thing???


Thanks, Byunghee from South Korea

Troll or not? [was: Serious problem with debian 12 bookworm]

[tomas]

On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 01:59:19PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 19:58:13 + (UTC)
> Anastasia Broch  wrote:
> 
> > Hi I'm using debian 12 in Lenovo yoga legion core i5 12th gen with
> > RTX 3050 and I'm figuring a serious issue using debian 12 on this PC,
> > …
> > 
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> Apparently some people haven't noticed that this is a near duplicate of
> this recent email on the list:
> 
> From: Mansour Nasri 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Problem of suspend activities ( debian 12 )
> Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 09:38:05 +0100
> 
> The main difference, as far as I can see, it the sender's email
> address. Troll? Who knows? Who cares? I suggest you ignore this thread.

I don't really think so. The post itself actually makes sense.
Perhaps their provider is throwing away the responses (or hiding
them in the spam box, which nearly amounts to the same). Big mail
providers are like that these days.

When the OP doesn't think of double-checking (e.g. by looking into
the Web archives), they'll assume their mail hasn't made it. Resending
seems like a valid option.

But then... who knows. Perhaps it's a startup training their so-called
"AI". But then I might be. Or you.

My take: not troll. Bad mail provider.

Cheers
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Re: Serious problem with debian 12 bookworm

[Charles Curley]

On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 19:58:13 + (UTC)
Anastasia Broch  wrote:

> Hi I'm using debian 12 in Lenovo yoga legion core i5 12th gen with
> RTX 3050 and I'm figuring a serious issue using debian 12 on this PC,
> …
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

Apparently some people haven't noticed that this is a near duplicate of
this recent email on the list:

From: Mansour Nasri 
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Problem of suspend activities ( debian 12 )
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 09:38:05 +0100

The main difference, as far as I can see, it the sender's email
address. Troll? Who knows? Who cares? I suggest you ignore this thread.


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Does anybody read signatures any more?

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https://charlescurley.com/blog/

Re: Serious problem with debian 12 bookworm

[hw]

On Thu, 2024-02-29 at 19:58 +, Anastasia Broch wrote:
> Hi I'm using debian 12 in Lenovo yoga legion core i5 12th gen with
> RTX 3050 and I'm figuring a serious issue using debian 12 on this
> PC,  When the PC is on sleep mode ( suspend ) it's doesn't wake up
> anymore until forcing shutting down and this each time the PC turns
> on suspend mode, ( fastboot are disabled )of course, on my old PC
> dell i7 10th I never had this kind of issue, but this it it's the
> case, please help to resolve this problem I really don't want to
> back to windows anymore. Thank you so much 

How do you do try to wake it up?  Could you be pressing the wrong
button?

Does suspend to disk work?

> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

Please disable the SPAM addon.

Re: Serious problem with debian 12 bookworm

[Joe]

On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 19:58:13 + (UTC)
Anastasia Broch  wrote:

> Hi I'm using debian 12 in Lenovo yoga legion core i5 12th gen with
> RTX 3050 and I'm figuring a serious issue using debian 12 on this PC,
> When the PC is on sleep mode ( suspend ) it's doesn't wake up anymore
> until forcing shutting down and this each time the PC turns on
> suspend mode, ( fastboot are disabled )of course, on my old PC dell
> i7 10th I never had this kind of issue, but this it it's the case,
> please help to resolve this problem I really don't want to back to
> windows anymore. Thank you so much 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

You've had a couple of suggestions. Did neither of them work?

Have you found anything in the logs at the time of the attempted
wake-up?

-- 
Joe

Serious problem with debian 12 bookworm

[Anastasia Broch]

Hi I'm using debian 12 in Lenovo yoga legion core i5 12th gen with RTX 3050 and 
I'm figuring a serious issue using debian 12 on this PC, 
When the PC is on sleep mode ( suspend ) it's doesn't wake up anymore until 
forcing shutting down and this each time the PC turns on suspend mode, ( 
fastboot are disabled )of course, on my old PC dell i7 10th I never had this 
kind of issue, but this it it's the case, please help to resolve this problem I 
really don't want to back to windows anymore. Thank you so much 

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

Re: How do I report a problem about Debian 12 not reading USB pen drives?

[Joe]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 09:51:27 -0400
John LeRoy  wrote:

> Hello,
> The Subject is my question.
> Debian 12 on my computer can't read USB pen drives. The drives are
> read correctly on a similar computer running Debian 11.
> I have registered on the Debian Forum, but can't find an entry about 
> this problem.
> I would like to report this as a bug, or at least get help diagnosing 
> the problem.
>
You will need more data to make a useful bug report or get help from us
here. On the offending machine, open a terminal window, type:

sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog

and return. If you don't have/use sudo, then su to root, syslog needs
root permission to read.

Now plug in a USB stick. You should see many lines of text added. At
the moment, try the same procedure with the good computer, see if the
logs look approximately the same. You're looking for an 'sdX' appearing
as the stick is mounted, X depending on what other drives you have. If
this isn't happening, you won't see anything on the stick, as you
describe.

In that case, copy and paste the log lines from the problem machine and
post here. From a terminal window, copy by using ctrl-shift-C instead
of the usual GUI ctrl-C. Oh yes, you stop the tail command by using
ctrl-C first.

-- 
Joe

How do I report a problem about Debian 12 not reading USB pen drives?

[John LeRoy]

Hello,
The Subject is my question.
Debian 12 on my computer can't read USB pen drives. The drives are read 
correctly on a similar computer running Debian 11.
I have registered on the Debian Forum, but can't find an entry about 
this problem.
I would like to report this as a bug, or at least get help diagnosing 
the problem.

Thank you.
John LeRoy

Re: New Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 sound problem on Debian 11 Stable

[Timothy M Butterworth]

On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 12:07 PM Jeffrey Walton  wrote:

> > On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 7:55 PM Default User 
> wrote:
> > [...]
> > My new machine does not seem to be listed there. Not surprising, since
> manufactured in 2023-January.
>
> Components used in the machine may be listed.
>
> I got lucky on a HP laptop with an Ice Lake processor
> (https://linux-hardware.org/?probe=1686ba2df4). The device ELAN0712:00
> (04F3:30FD Mouse) was not listed in the database, and the vendor is
> Unknown (
> https://linux-hardware.org/?device_vendor=Unknown+%2830FD%29_type=touchpad
> ),
> but it was supported by the kernel.
>
> > I did try a fresh install to the old machine of a Bookworm daily build
> about a month ago. It almost all the way through the non-graphical,
> expert-mode install, only to hard fail at refusing to install grub.  More
> than once.
>
> As a test, you might try a Fedora Live ISO. F37 currently provides the
> 6.1.18-200 kernel. Fedora is about as recent as you can get, short of
> compiling your own kernel.
>

Debian Bookworm has the 6.1.15 kernel currently.


If you find sound works with Fedora 37, then you may need to look for
> a distro that provides a 6.x kernel.
>
> Jeff
>
>

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Re: New Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 sound problem on Debian 11 Stable

[Jeffrey Walton]

> On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 7:55 PM Default User  wrote:
> [...]
> My new machine does not seem to be listed there. Not surprising, since 
> manufactured in 2023-January.

Components used in the machine may be listed.

I got lucky on a HP laptop with an Ice Lake processor
(https://linux-hardware.org/?probe=1686ba2df4). The device ELAN0712:00
(04F3:30FD Mouse) was not listed in the database, and the vendor is
Unknown 
(https://linux-hardware.org/?device_vendor=Unknown+%2830FD%29_type=touchpad),
but it was supported by the kernel.

> I did try a fresh install to the old machine of a Bookworm daily build about 
> a month ago. It almost all the way through the non-graphical, expert-mode 
> install, only to hard fail at refusing to install grub.  More than once.

As a test, you might try a Fedora Live ISO. F37 currently provides the
6.1.18-200 kernel. Fedora is about as recent as you can get, short of
compiling your own kernel.

If you find sound works with Fedora 37, then you may need to look for
a distro that provides a 6.x kernel.

Jeff

Re: New Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 sound problem on Debian 11 Stable

[Default User]

On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 11:06 AM Timothy M Butterworth <
timothy.m.butterwo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 10:57 AM Jeffrey Walton 
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 7:55 PM Default User 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I just got a brand new Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 laptop.  Came
>> with Windows (ugh!) preinstalled.
>> > My old Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3542 laptop (made in 2014) just
>> died.  So this one should work, right?
>> >
>> > No.
>>
>> Also see https://linux-hardware.org/ . It is a database of supported
>> hardware.
>>
>> I think it includes the minimum kernel version for support of a
>> particular chipset, once you drill in.
>>
>> Jeff
>
>
>  If you are missing drivers or firmware then I recommend installing Debian
> 12 Bookworm. You can download the live installer from:
> https://get.debian.org/images/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/ Debian
> 11 is old and does not work with the latest hardware without installing
> from debian backports which I do not recommend. Debian 12 is already frozen
> for release testing. I have been running Debian 12 for over a year now and
> only ran into one problem yesterday. I was having problems installing
> mariadb-server. I made a work around hack today and got it to install.
>
> Tim
>
>
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1)
I did check out https://linux-hardware.org/.
My old machine (now torn apart) was listed there.
My new machine does not seem to be listed there. Not surprising, since
manufactured in 2023-January.

2)
I did try a fresh install to the old machine of a Bookworm daily build
about a month ago. It almost all the way through the non-graphical,
expert-mode install, only to hard fail at refusing to install grub.  More
than once.

Since I now have a working setup, I think I will just patiently wait  a few
months until soon after the official release of Bookworm Stable, then
either upgrade or fresh install then.

Re: New Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 sound problem on Debian 11 Stable

[Timothy M Butterworth]

On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 10:57 AM Jeffrey Walton  wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 7:55 PM Default User 
> wrote:
> >
> > I just got a brand new Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 laptop.  Came
> with Windows (ugh!) preinstalled.
> > My old Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3542 laptop (made in 2014) just
> died.  So this one should work, right?
> >
> > No.
>
> Also see https://linux-hardware.org/ . It is a database of supported
> hardware.
>
> I think it includes the minimum kernel version for support of a
> particular chipset, once you drill in.
>
> Jeff


 If you are missing drivers or firmware then I recommend installing Debian
12 Bookworm. You can download the live installer from:
https://get.debian.org/images/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/ Debian
11 is old and does not work with the latest hardware without installing
from debian backports which I do not recommend. Debian 12 is already frozen
for release testing. I have been running Debian 12 for over a year now and
only ran into one problem yesterday. I was having problems installing
mariadb-server. I made a work around hack today and got it to install.

Tim


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Re: New Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 sound problem on Debian 11 Stable

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 7:55 PM Default User  wrote:
>
> I just got a brand new Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 laptop.  Came with 
> Windows (ugh!) preinstalled.
> My old Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3542 laptop (made in 2014) just died.  So 
> this one should work, right?
>
> No.

Also see https://linux-hardware.org/ . It is a database of supported hardware.

I think it includes the minimum kernel version for support of a
particular chipset, once you drill in.

Jeff

[SOLVED] New Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 sound problem on Debian 11 Stable

[Default User]

On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:56 AM Anssi Saari  wrote:

> Default User  writes:
>
> > xserver-xorg-video-cirrus_1.5.3-1+b3_amd64.deb for Debian Stable
> (Bullseye) does seem to be at
> > deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian bullseye main
> > but that is not a backport.
>
> It's also not a Linux kernel and not relevant to your sound HW. Just
> some video support for ancient video hardware. I don't think Cirrus
> Logic has done video HW since the 90s.
>
> > I hate to sound stupid, but could someone please tell me how to add that
> to the
> > Debian 11.6 "live" usb stick?
> >
> > I know how to enable the bullseye backports repository in
> > /etc/apt/sources.list, but then I dont know how to "get to" and use
> backports; I've never had to do that before.
>
> Just need to give -t repo option to apt:
>
> apt install -t bullseye-backports linux-image-amd64
>
> Although, I don't think you can install a new kernel in a live system
> with apt. Don't know for sure though. That's why I said it'd be easy to
> add to an installed system.
>
> I don't know if enabling persistence with the live system would allow
> booting with a new kernel, it's been a while since I last played with
> anything live. But that too needs some figuring out as I recall.
>
> So, install on a USB thing or resize the Windows partition in your
> laptop and install in the newly freed space.
>
>
>
The sound now works on this machine running Debian Stable (Bullseye).

The solution was to install was, as suggested, to do:
install Debian Stable Gnome (Ugh!) 10.0
upgrade to Debian Stable 11.6 (linux-image-5.10.0-21-amd64)
apt install -t bullseye-backports linux-image-amd64,
which installed linux-image-5.10.0-21-amd64.

Note:
upgrade to Debian Stable 11.6 (linux-image-5.10.0-21-amd64)
was not sufficient by itself.

Thanks to all for the help!

Re: Setting default sound device (was Re: New Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 sound problem on Debian 11 Stable)

[David Wright]

On Mon 13 Feb 2023 at 17:49:19 (-0800), Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On Mon Feb 13 09:36:01 2023 David Wright wrote:
> 
> > I think the section "Wrong card used by default" in:
> >
> >  https://wiki.debian.org/ALSA
> >
> > should help. There's more detail at:
> >
> >  https://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards
> >
> > and I think both these are pure ALSA and PA-free.
> 
> Thanks for the links.  I worked through them, but as usual,
> found it tough sledding.  I did come across another page
> that pointed out that alsa.conf has moved from /etc/modprobe.d/
> to /usr/share/alsa/, for what it's worth.

It would be interesting to see how that statement was actually
expressed. AIUI the two files are completely different in both
their contents and how they work.

/etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf (I think the wiki forgets that the filename
needs the .conf; the actual filename can be anything reasonable)
contains options for loading a /kernel module/, like the example:

  options snd_hda_intel index=1,0

I just added that exact line to my Lenovo laptop. Before I added it,
alsamixer would come up with the HDMI card and a row of S/PDIF
controls. The F6 menu would read:

   Sound Card
  - (default)
  0 HDA Intel HDMI
  1 HDA Intel PCH
enter device name...

After adding it and rebooting, alsamixer comes up with the
slider controls instead, and the F6 menu reads:

   Sound Card
  - (default)
  0 HDA Intel PCH
  1 HDA Intel HDMI
enter device name...

This behaviour is documented at:

  https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v5.10/sound/index.html
  ↓
  
https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v5.10/sound/alsa-configuration.html#module-parameters

  Common parameters for top sound card modules

  Each of top level sound card module takes the following options.

  index
  index (slot #) of sound card; Values: 0 through 31 or negative;
  If nonnegative, assign that index number; if negative, interpret
  as a bitmask of permissible indices; the first free permitted
  index is assigned; Default: -1

The files in /usr/share/alsa/ are AFAIK for user-space software. They
have a quite a complicated syntax, and I wouldn't say I'm comfortable
writing them: I just tend to cut and paste from examples.

You can probably achieve the same ends, with the correct incantation,
as with the modprobe option. You might even be able to get the two
methods to fight each other. (IOW it's important to clear out one
method before trying the other.)

> > > When I bring up alsamixer and hit F6, I get the following choices:
> > >   0  HDA Intel
> > >   1  HDA NVidia
> > >   2  IVTV-0
> > >   3  IVTV-1
> > > There's no mention of which is the default or how to set a default.

I don't know what IVTVs are. Using the first (kernel) method, I would
write:

  options snd_hda_intel index=1,0,2,3

making 1 into the default.

Note: IIRC hyphens and underscores are interchangeable.
  snd_hda_intel is a guess. Most modern sound is,
  I believe, Intel DHA, but you never know. There's
  a list of top-level card modules in the 2nd URL,
  and of course its name must appear somewhere in
  your lsmod output.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Setting default sound device (was Re: New Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 sound problem on Debian 11 Stable)

[Charlie Gibbs]

[Sorry about the broken threading - I read this list through 
linux.debian.user]


On Mon Feb 13 09:36:01 2023 David Wright 
wrote:

> I think the section "Wrong card used by default" in:
>
>  https://wiki.debian.org/ALSA
>
> should help. There's more detail at:
>
>  https://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards
>
> and I think both these are pure ALSA and PA-free.

Thanks for the links.  I worked through them, but as usual,
found it tough sledding.  I did come across another page
that pointed out that alsa.conf has moved from /etc/modprobe.d/
to /usr/share/alsa/, for what it's worth.

This isn't the first time I've tackled this problem, and it's
really just a convenience thing, not a desperate need.  When I
switch my TV from my cable box to the computer, I have to walk
over to the sound system to change its input selector from the
TV's audio output to the computer's analog jacks.  (That input
selector is the one knob my universal remote can't touch.)

If I work on this problem for more than 100 times the time
it takes to walk across the room and back, I figure I've
reached the point of diminishing returns, and it's time
to set it aside for another day.

Thanks anyway, though.  I've filed these notes for the next
time I have an hour or two to spare.

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Re: New Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 sound problem on Debian 11 Stable

[Anssi Saari]

Default User  writes:

> xserver-xorg-video-cirrus_1.5.3-1+b3_amd64.deb for Debian Stable (Bullseye) 
> does seem to be at 
> deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian bullseye main 
> but that is not a backport. 

It's also not a Linux kernel and not relevant to your sound HW. Just
some video support for ancient video hardware. I don't think Cirrus
Logic has done video HW since the 90s.

> I hate to sound stupid, but could someone please tell me how to add that to 
> the 
> Debian 11.6 "live" usb stick?  
>
> I know how to enable the bullseye backports repository in 
> /etc/apt/sources.list, but then I dont know how to "get to" and use 
> backports; I've never had to do that before.

Just need to give -t repo option to apt:

apt install -t bullseye-backports linux-image-amd64

Although, I don't think you can install a new kernel in a live system
with apt. Don't know for sure though. That's why I said it'd be easy to
add to an installed system.

I don't know if enabling persistence with the live system would allow
booting with a new kernel, it's been a while since I last played with
anything live. But that too needs some figuring out as I recall.

So, install on a USB thing or resize the Windows partition in your
laptop and install in the newly freed space.

Re: Setting default sound device (was Re: New Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 sound problem on Debian 11 Stable)

[David Wright]

On Sun 12 Feb 2023 at 15:48:51 (-0800), Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> This is going a bit off topic, but since there are probably
> a number of sound gurus following the original thread, I
> thought I'd throw out another sound question.
> 
> I have a desktop machine running Debian 11.  It contains an
> nVidia card which I've hooked to my TV via HDMI.  Currently
> sound is coming out the analog jacks on the computer; I'd like
> to put the sound on the HDMI output so when switching the TV
> from my cable box to the computer, I don't have to also switch
> my sound system's input.
> 
> I know my hardware is capable of doing this; if I type
> 
> mpv --audio-device=alsa/hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0 foo.mp3
> 
> foo.mp3 will play through the HDMI audio output rather than
> the default analog jacks.  What I want to do is make the HDMI
> audio output the default.
> 
> When I bring up alsamixer and hit F6, I get the following choices:
>   0  HDA Intel
>   1  HDA NVidia
>   2  IVTV-0
>   3  IVTV-1
> There's no mention of which is the default or how to set a default.
> 
> Here's the output of the aplay -l command:
> 
>  List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC9271D Analog [STAC9271D Analog]
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: STAC9271D Digital [STAC9271D Digital]
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> card 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> card 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1]
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> 
> I've tried cobbling together bits and pieces I've found in
> various places to create the following /etc/aplay.conf:
> 
> defaults.pcm.card 1
> defaults.pcm.device 0
> defaults.ctl.card 1
> defaults.ctl.device 0
> 
> pcm.!default {
> type hw
> card 1
> device 0
> }
> 
> ctl.!default {
> type hw
> card 1
> device 0
> }
> 
> I've tried substituting both 3 and 7 on the "device" lines,
> but nothing seems to have any effect.
> 
> I'm not sure what it takes to get ALSA to recognize a change in
> its configuration, so I rebooted after each change just in case.
> 
> Although I've found many references to this topic on the web,
> the answers are confusing, conflicting, or oriented toward
> PulseAudio rather than ALSA.  Can someone help clear the air?

I think the section "Wrong card used by default" in:

  https://wiki.debian.org/ALSA

should help. There's more detail at:

  https://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards

and I think both these are pure ALSA and PA-free.

Cheers,
David.

Setting default sound device (was Re: New Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 sound problem on Debian 11 Stable)

[Charlie Gibbs]

This is going a bit off topic, but since there are probably
a number of sound gurus following the original thread, I
thought I'd throw out another sound question.

I have a desktop machine running Debian 11.  It contains an
nVidia card which I've hooked to my TV via HDMI.  Currently
sound is coming out the analog jacks on the computer; I'd like
to put the sound on the HDMI output so when switching the TV
from my cable box to the computer, I don't have to also switch
my sound system's input.

I know my hardware is capable of doing this; if I type

mpv --audio-device=alsa/hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0 foo.mp3

foo.mp3 will play through the HDMI audio output rather than
the default analog jacks.  What I want to do is make the HDMI
audio output the default.

When I bring up alsamixer and hit F6, I get the following choices:
  0  HDA Intel
  1  HDA NVidia
  2  IVTV-0
  3  IVTV-1
There's no mention of which is the default or how to set a default.

Here's the output of the aplay -l command:

 List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC9271D Analog [STAC9271D Analog]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: STAC9271D Digital [STAC9271D Digital]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

I've tried cobbling together bits and pieces I've found in
various places to create the following /etc/aplay.conf:

defaults.pcm.card 1
defaults.pcm.device 0
defaults.ctl.card 1
defaults.ctl.device 0

pcm.!default {
type hw
card 1
device 0
}

ctl.!default {
type hw
card 1
device 0
}

I've tried substituting both 3 and 7 on the "device" lines,
but nothing seems to have any effect.

I'm not sure what it takes to get ALSA to recognize a change in
its configuration, so I rebooted after each change just in case.

Although I've found many references to this topic on the web,
the answers are confusing, conflicting, or oriented toward
PulseAudio rather than ALSA.  Can someone help clear the air?

--
/~\  Charlie Gibbs  |  Life is perverse.
\ /|  It can be beautiful -
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus |  but it won't.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |-- Lily Tomlin

Re: New Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 sound problem on Debian 11 Stable

[David Wright]

On Sun 12 Feb 2023 at 10:23:59 (-0500), Default User wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 7:58 AM Anssi Saari  wrote:
> > Default User  writes:
> >
> > > The dumbed-down make-believe BIOS on the new computer lists the Audio
> > Controller as:
> > > "Cirrus Logic CS8409".
> >
> > So it looks like this is the actual sound hardware that's in use, not
> > the Tiger Lake stuff. A quick search found
> > https://www.phoronix.com/news/Cirrus-Dolphin-Linux-Audio which says
> > shows support was added in Linux kernel 5.15.
> >
> > Not available for Debian 11 except as a backport, which is easily added
> > to an existing installation, even on USB media. There doesn't seem to be
> > live images for the upcoming Debian 12 currently.
> 
> Thanks for the pointer to
> https://www.phoronix.com/news/Cirrus-Dolphin-Linux-Audio.
> 
> 
> According to https://packages.debian.org,
> 
> xserver-xorg-video-cirrus_1.5.3-1+b3_amd64.deb for Debian Stable (Bullseye)
> does seem to be at
> 
> deb http://*ftp.de.debian.org/debian
> * bullseye main
> 
> but that is not a backport.
> 
> When I look at https://packages.debian.org and search
> "bullseye-updates" and "bullseye-backports"
> 
> I get this:
> 
> "You have searched for packages that names contain cirrus in suite(s)
> bullseye-backports, all sections, and all architectures.
> 
> Sorry, your search gave no results".
> 
> 
> Searching "bookworm" (testing) does show:
> 
> xserver-xorg-video-cirrus_1.5.3-1+b5_amd64.deb
> 
> but I don't know if I can use that with my Debian 11.6 "live" usb stick.
> 
> I hate to sound stupid, but could someone please tell me how to add that to
> the
> Debian 11.6 "live" usb stick?
> 
> I know how to enable the bullseye backports repository in
> /etc/apt/sources.list, but then I dont know how to "get to" and use
> backports; I've never had to do that before.

I don't see why the solution to a sound problem should lie with an
xserver. Sound should work without X running at all. That's why
I wrote:

  Once you've got those [alsamixer] settings, either quit with Escape,
  or move to a different VC or window or xterm or whatever, and run
   
  $ speaker-test -D hw:0,0 -c 2

IOW you can perform the commands I gave after logging in at the
console, with no DMs, DEs, WMs or anything else.

But you may need a kernel more up-to-date than 5.10: there are
5.18 kernels in bullseye-backports, and these contain:

 * HD audio interface patch for Cirrus Logic CS8409 HDA bridge chip

Cheers,
David.

Re: New Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 sound problem on Debian 11 Stable

[Default User]

On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 7:58 AM Anssi Saari  wrote:

> Default User  writes:
>
> > The dumbed-down make-believe BIOS on the new computer lists the Audio
> Controller as:
> > "Cirrus Logic CS8409".
>
> So it looks like this is the actual sound hardware that's in use, not
> the Tiger Lake stuff. A quick search found
> https://www.phoronix.com/news/Cirrus-Dolphin-Linux-Audio which says
> shows support was added in Linux kernel 5.15.
>
> Not available for Debian 11 except as a backport, which is easily added
> to an existing installation, even on USB media. There doesn't seem to be
> live images for the upcoming Debian 12 currently.
>
>


Thanks for the pointer to
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Cirrus-Dolphin-Linux-Audio.


According to https://packages.debian.org,

xserver-xorg-video-cirrus_1.5.3-1+b3_amd64.deb for Debian Stable (Bullseye)
does seem to be at

deb http://*ftp.de.debian.org/debian
* bullseye main

but that is not a backport.

When I look at https://packages.debian.org and search
"bullseye-updates" and "bullseye-backports"

I get this:

"You have searched for packages that names contain cirrus in suite(s)
bullseye-backports, all sections, and all architectures.

Sorry, your search gave no results".


Searching "bookworm" (testing) does show:

xserver-xorg-video-cirrus_1.5.3-1+b5_amd64.deb

but I don't know if I can use that with my Debian 11.6 "live" usb stick.

I hate to sound stupid, but could someone please tell me how to add that to
the
Debian 11.6 "live" usb stick?

I know how to enable the bullseye backports repository in
/etc/apt/sources.list, but then I dont know how to "get to" and use
backports; I've never had to do that before.

Re: New Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 sound problem on Debian 11 Stable

[Anssi Saari]

Default User  writes:

> The dumbed-down make-believe BIOS on the new computer lists the Audio 
> Controller as: 
> "Cirrus Logic CS8409".  

So it looks like this is the actual sound hardware that's in use, not
the Tiger Lake stuff. A quick search found
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Cirrus-Dolphin-Linux-Audio which says
shows support was added in Linux kernel 5.15.

Not available for Debian 11 except as a backport, which is easily added
to an existing installation, even on USB media. There doesn't seem to be
live images for the upcoming Debian 12 currently.

Re: New Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 sound problem on Debian 11 Stable

[David Wright]

On Sat 11 Feb 2023 at 22:46:17 (+), Default User wrote:
> And here is the output of aplay -l:
> 
>  List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
> card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: Generic Analog [Generic Analog]
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

This is the device you want to concentrate on if you've got speakers.

> card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1]
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

These devices, and the rest, might be useful if you have an HDMI
output that you can connect to, say, a TV.

> I did try using alsamixer, but using F6 to choose "default", which shows
> both card and chip as "PulseAudio" and then F5 to "show all controls", did
> nothing. Both the Master and Capture controls were set to 100. Below the
> Master scale, it showed "OO" (not muted). Below the Capture scale, it did
> not have a similar "block" to show either "OO" or "MM" (muted).

It's a bit difficult to follow this narrative. Useful is to list the
options when you press F6. I don't know anything about pulseaudio except
that it can both a help and a hindrance. Sorry.

> Using F6 to choose "0 HDA Intel PCH", which shows card as "HDA Intel PCH"
> and chip as "Cirrus Logic Generic", then F5 to "show all controls", also

That choice should correspond to:

  > card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: Generic Analog [Generic Analog]
  >   Subdevices: 1/1
  >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

above. You want the F3 controls for Playback. Ignore the S/PDIF
controls as that's all digital stuff. You should have Slider controls
for Master, Headphone, Speaker, Mic, possibly PCM, and perhaps more.
Make sure Master and Speaker are turned up and have OO, not MM, at the
bottom. (PCM doesn't matter, and don't worry if there's no Speaker.)

> did nothing. The "PCM" control was set to 100. The "PCM" control scale did
> not have a "block" to show either "OO" or "MM" (muted). Also visible were
> entries for "S/PDIF, then "S/PDIF 1", "S/PDIF 2" and so on through "S/PDIF
> 10" , all of which had a "block" showing "OO", but no "scale". And, when
> selected with F6, the "HDA Intel PCH" choice showed, after hitting F5, the
> message "This sound device does not have any capture controls."

Once you've got those settings, either quit with Escape, or move to a
different VC or window or xterm or whatever, and run (from alsa-utils):

$ speaker-test -D hw:0,0 -c 2

The first zero is the card, and the second is the device. I assume
you've got stereo. (Many things won't work with mono, funnily enough.)
You should get hissing noises from Left and Right speakers alternately.

As I said, it's not easy to follow what you wrote above. If you can't
get a display in alsamixer that has sliders for Master etc, and has
Generic at the top (IOW if everything I've written seems the wrong way
round), then I personally would uninstall pulse* and pavu*, and get
things working with just ALSA. Pulseaudio can play some clever tricks
once you've got things working, but it adds another layer of complexity.
If it adds ten extra fancy controls, then you've got ten extra ways of
losing the audio output.

Cheers,
David.

Re: New Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 sound problem on Debian 11 Stable

[Max Nikulin]

On 12/02/2023 05:46, Default User wrote:
[14777.998904] Modules linked in: ctr ccm nls_ascii nls_cp437 vfat fat 
ext4 mbcache jbd2 ses enclosure scsi_transport_sas rfcomm cmac 
algif_hash algif_skcipher af_alg bnep x86_pkg_temp_thermal 
intel_powerclamp coretemp rtw88_8821ce btusb kvm_intel rtw88_8821c btrtl 
rtw88_pci btbcm rtw88_core btintel bluetooth kvm mac80211 
jitterentropy_rng dell_laptop intel_rapl_msr irqbypass mei_hdcp cfg80211 
drbg intel_cstate intel_uncore ansi_cprng dell_wmi dell_smbios 
ecdh_generic efi_pstore iTCO_wdt pcspkr serio_raw dcdbas rfkill 
intel_pmc_bxt ecc dell_wmi_descriptor sg libarc4 wmi_bmof joydev 
iTCO_vendor_support crc16 watchdog ee1004 hid_multitouch snd_sof_pci 
snd_sof_intel_byt snd_sof_intel_ipc snd_sof_intel_hda_common 
snd_sof_xtensa_dsp snd_sof snd_sof_intel_hda snd_hda_codec_hdmi 
snd_soc_hdac_hda snd_hda_ext_core snd_hda_codec_generic 
snd_soc_acpi_intel_match snd_soc_acpi ledtrig_audio snd_hda_intel 
snd_intel_dspcfg soundwire_intel soc_button_array int3403_thermal 
soundwire_generic_allocation


I may be wrong, but this line may be a sign of kernel crash causing 
arbitrary following failures. I would inspect output of journalctl 
around "Modules linked in" lines. Perhaps --boot=-1 (and -2, -3, etc.) 
may be added to filter logs for previous boots.

Re: New Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 sound problem on Debian 11 Stable

[Dan Ritter]

Default User wrote: 
> [0.160240] ACPI: Added _OSI(Linux-Lenovo-NV-HDMI-Audio)
> [7.598040] snd_hda_intel :00:1f.3: bound :00:02.0 (ops
> i915_audio_component_bind_ops [i915])
> [7.673391] snd_hda_codec_generic hdaudioC0D0: autoconfig for Generic:
> line_outs=1 (0x2c/0x0/0x0/0x0/0x0) type:speaker
> [7.673393] snd_hda_codec_generic hdaudioC0D0:speaker_outs=0
> (0x0/0x0/0x0/0x0/0x0)
> [7.673394] snd_hda_codec_generic hdaudioC0D0:hp_outs=1
> (0x24/0x0/0x0/0x0/0x0)
> [7.673395] snd_hda_codec_generic hdaudioC0D0:mono: mono_out=0x0
> [7.673396] snd_hda_codec_generic hdaudioC0D0:inputs:

The kernel is happy with the sound card.

> And here is the output of aplay -l:
> 
>  List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
> card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: Generic Analog [Generic Analog]
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

ALSA believe that there are two audio systems: a motherboard
audio jack and a video-card HDMI that can play audio that way.

Here's a laptop that I have:

 List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: VT1802 Analog [VT1802
Analog]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 2: VT1802 Alt Analog [VT1802
Alt Analog]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 1: AUDIO [SMSL USB AUDIO], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

You can see that it has a first set of jacks, an alternate set,
an HDMI output, and a USB-attached sound card (DAC).


> I did try using alsamixer, but using F6 to choose "default", which shows
> both card and chip as "PulseAudio" and then F5 to "show all controls", did
> nothing. Both the Master and Capture controls were set to 100. Below the
> Master scale, it showed "OO" (not muted). Below the Capture scale, it did
> not have a similar "block" to show either "OO" or "MM" (muted).

Capture is for the recording side. That's normal.

> Using F6 to choose "0 HDA Intel PCH", which shows card as "HDA Intel PCH"
> and chip as "Cirrus Logic Generic", then F5 to "show all controls", also
> did nothing. The "PCM" control was set to 100. The "PCM" control scale did
> not have a "block" to show either "OO" or "MM" (muted). Also visible were
> entries for "S/PDIF, then "S/PDIF 1", "S/PDIF 2" and so on through "S/PDIF
> 10" , all of which had a "block" showing "OO", but no "scale".

Those are almost certainly on/off controls for the various HDMI
outputs. Do you really have 10 physical HDMI or DisplayPort outputs?

I would say your problems are related to PulseAudio and mixer
controls. Most likely PulseAudio is trying to send sound via one of the
HDMI outputs, or it's otherwise confused about where to send audio.

-dsr-

Re: New Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 sound problem on Debian 11 Stable

[Default User]

On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 11:00 AM Anssi Saari  wrote:

> Default User  writes:
>
> > BTW,
> > sudo apt show firmware-sof-signed
> > shows firmware-sof-signed as installed for both Debian Live 11.0
> > and Debian Live 11.6. :
>
> OK, next step is to run
>
> sudo dmesg | grep -i audio
>
> in a terminal to see if there's any problem loading the driver or
> firmware and what other messages there might be. And run aplay -l, does
> that list any sound device?
>
>

Here is the output of sudo dmesg | grep -i audio:

[0.160240] ACPI: Added _OSI(Linux-Lenovo-NV-HDMI-Audio)
[7.598040] snd_hda_intel :00:1f.3: bound :00:02.0 (ops
i915_audio_component_bind_ops [i915])
[7.673391] snd_hda_codec_generic hdaudioC0D0: autoconfig for Generic:
line_outs=1 (0x2c/0x0/0x0/0x0/0x0) type:speaker
[7.673393] snd_hda_codec_generic hdaudioC0D0:speaker_outs=0
(0x0/0x0/0x0/0x0/0x0)
[7.673394] snd_hda_codec_generic hdaudioC0D0:hp_outs=1
(0x24/0x0/0x0/0x0/0x0)
[7.673395] snd_hda_codec_generic hdaudioC0D0:mono: mono_out=0x0
[7.673396] snd_hda_codec_generic hdaudioC0D0:inputs:
[14777.998904] Modules linked in: ctr ccm nls_ascii nls_cp437 vfat fat ext4
mbcache jbd2 ses enclosure scsi_transport_sas rfcomm cmac algif_hash
algif_skcipher af_alg bnep x86_pkg_temp_thermal intel_powerclamp coretemp
rtw88_8821ce btusb kvm_intel rtw88_8821c btrtl rtw88_pci btbcm rtw88_core
btintel bluetooth kvm mac80211 jitterentropy_rng dell_laptop intel_rapl_msr
irqbypass mei_hdcp cfg80211 drbg intel_cstate intel_uncore ansi_cprng
dell_wmi dell_smbios ecdh_generic efi_pstore iTCO_wdt pcspkr serio_raw
dcdbas rfkill intel_pmc_bxt ecc dell_wmi_descriptor sg libarc4 wmi_bmof
joydev iTCO_vendor_support crc16 watchdog ee1004 hid_multitouch snd_sof_pci
snd_sof_intel_byt snd_sof_intel_ipc snd_sof_intel_hda_common
snd_sof_xtensa_dsp snd_sof snd_sof_intel_hda snd_hda_codec_hdmi
snd_soc_hdac_hda snd_hda_ext_core snd_hda_codec_generic
snd_soc_acpi_intel_match snd_soc_acpi ledtrig_audio snd_hda_intel
snd_intel_dspcfg soundwire_intel soc_button_array int3403_thermal
soundwire_generic_allocation

And here is the output of aplay -l:

 List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: Generic Analog [Generic Analog]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 8: HDMI 2 [HDMI 2]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 9: HDMI 3 [HDMI 3]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 10: HDMI 4 [HDMI 4]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 11: HDMI 5 [HDMI 5]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 12: HDMI 6 [HDMI 6]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 13: HDMI 7 [HDMI 7]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 14: HDMI 8 [HDMI 8]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 15: HDMI 9 [HDMI 9]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 16: HDMI 10 [HDMI 10]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

Not sure if that is any help. I don't know how to interpret that; maybe
someone else can see
something informative there.

BTW, the sound DOES work fine using an Ubuntu 22.4.1 (LTS) "live" install
disk, in "live" mode.
I *could* run the same two commands previously mentioned, while running the
Ubuntu 22.4.1 (LTS) "live" install disk, perhaps to compare the output from
the Debian 11.6 "live" session.

I did try using alsamixer, but using F6 to choose "default", which shows
both card and chip as "PulseAudio" and then F5 to "show all controls", did
nothing. Both the Master and Capture controls were set to 100. Below the
Master scale, it showed "OO" (not muted). Below the Capture scale, it did
not have a similar "block" to show either "OO" or "MM" (muted).

Using F6 to choose "0 HDA Intel PCH", which shows card as "HDA Intel PCH"
and chip as "Cirrus Logic Generic", then F5 to "show all controls", also
did nothing. The "PCM" control was set to 100. The "PCM" control scale did
not have a "block" to show either "OO" or "MM" (muted). Also visible were
entries for "S/PDIF, then "S/PDIF 1", "S/PDIF 2" and so on through "S/PDIF
10" , all of which had a "block" showing "OO", but no "scale". And, when
selected with F6, the "HDA Intel PCH" choice showed, after hitting F5, the
message "This sound device does not have any capture controls."

I then (again) installed pavucontrol 4.0-2 by:
"sudo apt install pavucontrol".

Then I tried the Pulse Audio Volume Control GUI. No luck.
Under the "Configuration" menu, "Profile" drop-down menu", all 

Re: New Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 sound problem on Debian 11 Stable

[Anssi Saari]

Default User  writes:

> BTW, 
> sudo apt show firmware-sof-signed 
> shows firmware-sof-signed as installed for both Debian Live 11.0 
> and Debian Live 11.6. :

OK, next step is to run

sudo dmesg | grep -i audio

in a terminal to see if there's any problem loading the driver or
firmware and what other messages there might be. And run aplay -l, does
that list any sound device?

Re: New Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 sound problem on Debian 11 Stable

[tomas]

On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 08:56:11PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > And of course recommendations for a current laptop (preferably
> > reasonably priced) that actual experience shows does work well with
> > Debian would be welcome.
> 
> If your main concerns are a good price and well supported by Debian,
> then you're spelling "refurbished, or second hand".
> The planet will also thank you for it.

Dito. Refurbished Thinkpad X230 here (I prefer small ones: backpack and
that). Souped up to 16G RAM, still on spinning rust (back then, 1T
SSD was prohibitive). Bought end of 2018 (as a replacement of another
X230 which was crushed by a fire protection door: they aren't indestructible,
after all). Looking forward to its next upgrade (SSD).

Paid 400 EUR (incl. RAM), which in the US would be $400. You'll get more
computing for that these days.

New is only worth it if you specifically want some feature you won't
get otherwise.

Cheers
-- 
t


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Re: New Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 sound problem on Debian 11 Stable

[davidson]

On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 Default User wrote:

Hello to all!


Hello.

Full disclosure: I know very little about audio troubleshooting.


I just got a brand new Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 laptop.  Came with
Windows (ugh!) preinstalled.
My old Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3542 laptop (made in 2014) just died.
So this one should work, right?

No.

Unfortunately the new 3511 is quite different from the old 3542.  It mostly
"sort of" works.
But the sound will not work at all on Debian.


How did you come to this conclusion?

Did you do something, take some action, expecting the result to be
audible, but obtained silence instead?

If so, what was that something?

What volume controls have you examined? Have you checked whether they
are muted?

Personally, one of the first things I usually do to get sound to work
(when I notice my media player makes no sound/youtube videos are
silent/etc) is run alsamixer (in package alsa-utils) and unmute all
the playback volume controls.

But I've never used your DE. And again, I'm no expert.


Not wanting to immediately remove Windows and thus make it
unreturnable, I have been trying to run it using a Debian 11 "Live"
install USB thumb drive (Cinnamon desktop).  No sound at all.


Throughout this thread, you report the result of "No sound", but never
do you specify what you are doing that results in unexpected silence.


But . . .  it DOES work when running the computer from a USB thumb
drive of the most recent version of SystemRescue!  So, it CAN work
(somehow) on (some) Linux setups.

Note: System Rescue is now based upon Arch Linux.

Using the Debian 11 USB thumb drive, I was not able to do a complete
update and upgrade - not enough room on the USB thumb drive.  I was
able to install the pavucontrol package, which I recall has
sometimes helped in the past.  But still no sound.


Still no indication of how you have arrived at this conclusion!

[snipped hardware info]

I poked around in the Debian wiki about fixing sound problems, but
to be honest, much of it is over my head.


Me too.


So . . .  any advice on how to get sound to work on this computer?


No matter the problem you want help troubleshooting, make sure your
report prominently specifies not only the unexpected behavior, but
also WHAT YOU DID that resulted in that unexpected behavior.

That will help people help you.

Good luck to you.

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et ce qui est urgent est rarement important
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Re: New Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 sound problem on Debian 11 Stable

[Stefan Monnier]

> And of course recommendations for a current laptop (preferably
> reasonably priced) that actual experience shows does work well with
> Debian would be welcome.

If your main concerns are a good price and well supported by Debian,
then you're spelling "refurbished, or second hand".
The planet will also thank you for it.


Stefan "writing this on my 2015 desktop because my 2007 laptop
is in the backpack"

Re: New Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 sound problem on Debian 11 Stable

[Charles Curley]

On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 21:49:58 +
Default User  wrote:

> And of course recommendations for a current laptop (preferably
> reasonably priced)
> that actual experience shows does work well with Debian would be
> welcome.

I recommend against the latest and greatest. Recent computers may use
hardware that Linux does not yet support. Unless you want to take up
supporting such hardware, of course. And Linux should be very usable on
almost any computer less than seven to ten years old.

You might look at others' experiences with hardware that interests you.
https://linux-hardware.org/

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https://charlescurley.com/blog/

Re: New Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 sound problem on Debian 11 Stable

[Default User]

On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 12:37 PM Anssi Saari  wrote:

> Default User  writes:
>
> > In Debian 11 "Live", lspci -nn reports:
> > "00:1f.3 Audio device [0403]: Intel Tiger Lake-LP Smart Sound Technology
> Audio Controller [8086:a0c8] (rev
> > 20)".
>
> This isn't new sound hardware so should work in Debian 11.
>
> With a quick look, you probably need the non-free package
> firmware-sof-signed but that isn't included in the Debian 11 live. You
> could try an image which contains those things from
>
>
> https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/11.6.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/
>
> Or, if you're familiar in Debian, maybe you can install the
> firmware-sof-signed pacakge in the live system you already have? I'm not
> sure if that's possible there, I haven't used Debian Live in a while.
>
>
>
[UPDATE:]

I did try Debian 11.6 "live" .  Again, No sound.

BTW,
sudo apt show firmware-sof-signed
shows firmware-sof-signed as installed for both Debian Live 11.0
and Debian Live 11.6. :

--

[From Debian 11.6]:
Package: firmware-sof-signed
Version: 1.7-1
Status: install ok installed
Priority: optional
Section: non-free/kernel
Source: firmware-sof
Maintainer: Mark Pearson 
Installed-Size: 10.1 MB
Homepage: https://github.com/thesofproject/sof-bin
Download-Size: unknown
APT-Manual-Installed: yes
APT-Sources: /var/lib/dpkg/status
Description: Intel SOF firmware - signed
 Provides the Intel SOF audio firmware and topology needed for audio
 functionality on some Intel system.
 .
 This package contains the pre-built and signed binaries.

--

I have not yet tried Bookworm, as I do not know where to find a "Live"
image of that,
and again, I do not want to install it (yet) on the computer's internal
SSD, since that
would make the computer unreturnable.

Perhaps I could use the Bookworm weekly build to install to an external usb
device,
and try running it from there, to verify that the sound does work on the
computer, before
installing to the internal ssd.

Is that feasible?

And of course recommendations for a current laptop (preferably reasonably
priced)
that actual experience shows does work well with Debian would be welcome.

Re: New Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 sound problem on Debian 11 Stable

[Anssi Saari]

Default User  writes:

> In Debian 11 "Live", lspci -nn reports: 
> "00:1f.3 Audio device [0403]: Intel Tiger Lake-LP Smart Sound Technology 
> Audio Controller [8086:a0c8] (rev
> 20)".

This isn't new sound hardware so should work in Debian 11.

With a quick look, you probably need the non-free package
firmware-sof-signed but that isn't included in the Debian 11 live. You
could try an image which contains those things from

https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/11.6.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/

Or, if you're familiar in Debian, maybe you can install the
firmware-sof-signed pacakge in the live system you already have? I'm not
sure if that's possible there, I haven't used Debian Live in a while.

Re: New Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 sound problem on Debian 11 Stable

[Timothy M Butterworth]

On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 7:55 PM Default User 
wrote:

> Hello to all!
>
> I just got a brand new Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 laptop.  Came
> with Windows (ugh!) preinstalled.
> My old Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3542 laptop (made in 2014) just died.
> So this one should work, right?
>
> No.
>
> Unfortunately the new 3511 is quite different from the old 3542.  It
> mostly "sort of" works.
> But the sound will not work at all on Debian.
>
> Not wanting to immediately remove Windows and thus make it unreturnable, I
> have been trying to run it using a
> Debian 11 "Live" install USB thumb drive (Cinnamon desktop).  No sound at
> all.
>
> But . . .  it DOES work when running the computer from a USB thumb drive
> of the most recent version of
> SystemRescue!  So, it CAN work (somehow) on (some) Linux setups.
>
> Note: System Rescue is now based upon Arch Linux.
>
> Using the Debian 11 USB thumb drive, I was not able to do a complete
> update and upgrade - not enough room on the
> USB thumb drive.  I was able to install the pavucontrol package, which I
> recall has sometimes helped in the past.
> But still no sound.
>
> The dumbed-down make-believe BIOS on the new computer lists the Audio
> Controller as:
> "Cirrus Logic CS8409".
>
> SystemRescue reports under PCI devices:
> Intel Tiger Lake-LP Smart Sound Technology Audio Controller.
> "Driver in Use: snd_hda_intel Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel,
> snd_sof_pci_intel_tgl".
>
> In Debian 11 "Live", lspci -nn reports:
> "00:1f.3 Audio device [0403]: Intel Tiger Lake-LP Smart Sound Technology
> Audio Controller [8086:a0c8] (rev 20)".
>
> I poked around in the Debian wiki about fixing sound problems, but to be
> honest, much of it is over my head.
>
> So . . .  any advice on how to get sound to work on this computer?
> Or, failing that, any suggestions for a good (preferable affordable)
> laptop that plays nice with Debian?
>
> I guess I could try to use Arch or some other Linux distribution, but I
> have used Debian for many years, and would
> really hate changing to something else.
>

Debian 11 is showing its age. Try installing Bookworm!
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/

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New Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 sound problem on Debian 11 Stable

[Default User]

Hello to all!

I just got a brand new Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3511 laptop.  Came with
Windows (ugh!) preinstalled.
My old Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Series 3542 laptop (made in 2014) just died.
So this one should work, right?

No.

Unfortunately the new 3511 is quite different from the old 3542.  It mostly
"sort of" works.
But the sound will not work at all on Debian.

Not wanting to immediately remove Windows and thus make it unreturnable, I
have been trying to run it using a
Debian 11 "Live" install USB thumb drive (Cinnamon desktop).  No sound at
all.

But . . .  it DOES work when running the computer from a USB thumb drive of
the most recent version of
SystemRescue!  So, it CAN work (somehow) on (some) Linux setups.

Note: System Rescue is now based upon Arch Linux.

Using the Debian 11 USB thumb drive, I was not able to do a complete update
and upgrade - not enough room on the
USB thumb drive.  I was able to install the pavucontrol package, which I
recall has sometimes helped in the past.
But still no sound.

The dumbed-down make-believe BIOS on the new computer lists the Audio
Controller as:
"Cirrus Logic CS8409".

SystemRescue reports under PCI devices:
Intel Tiger Lake-LP Smart Sound Technology Audio Controller.
"Driver in Use: snd_hda_intel Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel,
snd_sof_pci_intel_tgl".

In Debian 11 "Live", lspci -nn reports:
"00:1f.3 Audio device [0403]: Intel Tiger Lake-LP Smart Sound Technology
Audio Controller [8086:a0c8] (rev 20)".

I poked around in the Debian wiki about fixing sound problems, but to be
honest, much of it is over my head.

So . . .  any advice on how to get sound to work on this computer?
Or, failing that, any suggestions for a good (preferable affordable) laptop
that plays nice with Debian?

I guess I could try to use Arch or some other Linux distribution, but I
have used Debian for many years, and would
really hate changing to something else.

Re: problem getting debian live to run

[L Dimov]

 On Saturday, December 3, 2022, 11:22:27 PM EST, L Dimov  
wrote:

 On Thursday, December 1, 2022, 10:12:21 PM GMT+1, Andrew M.A. Cater 
 wrote:


 On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 08:43:29PM +, L Dimov wrote:
>    On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 03:28:33 PM EST, Andrew M.A. Cater 
> wrote:
>
>  On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 06:58:11PM +, L Dimov wrote:
> > I am trying to run debian stable (11.5) live on a new Dell XPS laptop from 
> > a USB drive. After the Debian logo displays for a bout a minute, I get this 
> > text:
> >
> > DPC: RP PIO log size 0 is invalid
> > thunderbolt 0-0: reading DROM failed
> > BusyBox v1.30.1 (Debian 1:1.30.1-6+b3) built-in shell (ash)
> > Enter 'help' for list of built-in commans.
> > (initramsfs) _
> >
> > I tried it multiple times, including first formatting the USB as a FAT32. 
> > None of that helped.
> >
> > Any help in getting this party started will be greatly appreciated!
> > Thanks!
> > Luben
> >

Two things:

I'd suggest that you try using the unofficial .iso that includes the firmware.
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.5.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/
 - and pick your desktop from under there.

Andrew, Thomas, and David:
Thank you for the suggestions.
The suggestions at https://docs.kernel.org/admin-guide/thunderbolt.html did not 
help, unfortunately.
I also got the same result with live-nonfree. I am however able to get Linux 
Mint to run live (tho I didn't install it because I want Debian), so I think it 
is a Debian issue. I tried Debian testing as well - also a no-go. I also tried 
installing (rather than running live) Debian stable and testing and with and 
without non-free, to no avail: during installation I get these error messages:

"No kernel modules were found. This probably is due to a mismatch between the 
kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available 
in the archive. You should make sure that your installation image is 
up-to-date, or - if that's the case, try a different mirror, preferably 
deb.debian.org"

and later:

"Software RAID not available. The current kernel doesn't seem to support 
software RAID (MD) devices. This should be solved by loading the necessary 
modules"
as well as:
"The current kernel doesn't support the Logical Volume Manager. You may need to 
load the lvm-mod module."

Based on all that, sounds like lack of current hardware support in Debian for 
this machine because it is so new? I have the output of lshw, if that would 
help.
Thanks,
L

SOLUTION: IN THE END, THE INSTALLATION WORKED OUT AFTER THE FOLLOWING:
in the BIOS/UEFI, under Storage, change the selection from "ACH/NVMe" to "RAID 
on"

Re: problem getting debian live to run

[Joe]

On Sun, 4 Dec 2022 04:21:47 + (UTC)
L Dimov  wrote:

>  On Thursday, December 1, 2022, 10:12:21 PM GMT+1, Andrew M.A. Cater
>  wrote:
> 
>
> 
> I try hard not to use the live CD but to use the normal Debian
> installer instead.
> 
>
I take your point, but when things get tough, it's worth trying the
latest Knoppix CD download.

Knoppix cannot normally be cleanly updated, so it is of no use as a
working distribution, but it specialises in detecting and running
recent hardware.

If it does run OK (it certainly ought to if Mint does), then we can go
through the process of finding out what it is using that the standard
Debian installation does not provide. It is based on Debian, mainly
sid, so anything it can do, Debian can usually also do once we know
what is required.

If later drivers are needed that require a later infrastructure or
kernel than stable provides, we may be out of luck. I've tried
installing testing from scratch recently, claws-mail is missing
completely, and there are library problems.

-- 
Joe

Re: problem getting debian live to run

[L Dimov]

 On Thursday, December 1, 2022, 10:12:21 PM GMT+1, Andrew M.A. Cater 
 wrote:





 On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 08:43:29PM +, L Dimov wrote:
>    On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 03:28:33 PM EST, Andrew M.A. Cater 
> wrote:
>
>  On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 06:58:11PM +, L Dimov wrote:
> > I am trying to run debian stable (11.5) live on a new Dell XPS laptop from 
> > a USB drive. After the Debian logo displays for a bout a minute, I get this 
> > text:
> >
> > DPC: RP PIO log size 0 is invalid
> > thunderbolt 0-0: reading DROM failed
> > BusyBox v1.30.1 (Debian 1:1.30.1-6+b3) built-in shell (ash)
> > Enter 'help' for list of built-in commans.
> > (initramsfs) _
> >
> > I tried it multiple times, including first formatting the USB as a FAT32. 
> > None of that helped.
> >
> > Any help in getting this party started will be greatly appreciated!
> > Thanks!
> > Luben
> >
>
> Exactly how did you copy the image onto the USB stick - what command did
> you use and did you wait until it had copied fully?
>
> Andy Cater
>
> Andy, I did wait till it was done indeed. I copied the image to the USB with:
> dd if=/home/luben/Downloads/debian-live-11.5.0-amd64-gnome.iso of=/dev/sdb 
> bs=8M; sync
> I tried it without the:
>
> bs=8M; sync
> as well.
>

Two things:

I'd suggest that you try using the unofficial .iso that includes the firmware.
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.5.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/
 - and pick your desktop from under there.

Andrew, Thomas, and David:
Thank you for the suggestions.
The suggestions at https://docs.kernel.org/admin-guide/thunderbolt.html did not 
help, unfortunately.
I also got the same result with live-nonfree. I am however able to get Linux 
Mint to run live (tho I didn't install it because I want Debian), so I think it 
is a Debian issue. I tried Debian testing as well - also a no-go. I also tried 
installing (rather than running live) Debian stable and testing and with and 
without non-free, to no avail: during installation I get these error messages: 

"No kernel modules were found. This probably is due to a mismatch between the 
kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available 
in the archive. You should make sure that your installation image is 
up-to-date, or - if that's the case, try a different mirror, preferably 
deb.debian.org"

and later:

"Software RAID not available. The current kernel doesn't seem to support 
software RAID (MD) devices. This should be solved by loading the necessary 
modules"
as well as:
"The current kernel doesn't support the Logical Volume Manager. You may need to 
load the lvm-mod module."

Based on all that, sounds like lack of current hardware support in Debian for 
this machine because it is so new? I have the output of lshw, if that would 
help.
Thanks,
L


I'd also suggest dd if=/home/luben/Downloads/[whatever] of=/dev/sdb bs=4M 
oflag=sync status=progress

The oflag=sync forces the sync but status=progress also gives you a figure for
what's actually being written to the stick.

I try hard not to use the live CD but to use the normal Debian installer
instead.

> Thanks,Luben
>

All best,

Andy Cater

Re: problem getting debian live to run

[tomas]

On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 09:53:37PM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> L Dimov wrote:
> > DPC: RP PIO log size 0 is invalid
> 
> Looks like
>   https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209943
> where it is characterized as annoying message but elsewise harmless.
> 
> 
> > thunderbolt 0-0: reading DROM failed

[...]

> I would assume that this is the reason why the (initramfs) prompt appears.
> Assuming you boot in EFI native mode, it looks like GRUB was able to use
> the USB interface for loading the Linux kernel and the initrd, but that
> the kernel is not able to operate the Thunderbolt interface.

That actually sounds more like it, not a bad USB copy. Hmm.

Cheers
-- 
t


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Re: problem getting debian live to run

[tomas]

On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 08:43:29PM +, L Dimov wrote:
>On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 03:28:33 PM EST, Andrew M.A. Cater 
>  wrote:  

[...]

> > Exactly how did you copy the image onto the USB stick - what command did
> > you use and did you wait until it had copied fully?
> > 
> > Andy Cater 
> 
> Andy, I did wait till it was done indeed. I copied the image to the USB with:
> dd if=/home/luben/Downloads/debian-live-11.5.0-amd64-gnome.iso of=/dev/sdb 
> bs=8M; sync
> I tried it without the:
> 
> bs=8M; sync
> as well.

We don't know whether the copy was a problem. The `sync' is important,
though, and it is very important to wait until it finishes. Otherwise
the data may be in RAM, still waiting to be pushed out to the stick.

The `bs=8M' may or may not make the copy faster (in my experience,
it does, but not by a spectacular amount; my very incomplete tests
show a very flat maximum roughly in the abouts of 1M).

You can also ditch the sync and let dd do it. I recommend

  dd if= of=/dev/sdb bs=1M oflag=sync status=progress

(the `status=progress' gives you some feedback on how far the copy
is, the `oflag=sync' makes that the write is synchronized, so you
don't have to wait for the sync at the end).

Cheers
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Re: problem getting debian live to run

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 08:43:29PM +, L Dimov wrote:
>On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 03:28:33 PM EST, Andrew M.A. Cater 
>  wrote:  
>  
>  On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 06:58:11PM +, L Dimov wrote:
> > I am trying to run debian stable (11.5) live on a new Dell XPS laptop from 
> > a USB drive. After the Debian logo displays for a bout a minute, I get this 
> > text:
> > 
> > DPC: RP PIO log size 0 is invalid
> > thunderbolt 0-0: reading DROM failed
> > BusyBox v1.30.1 (Debian 1:1.30.1-6+b3) built-in shell (ash)
> > Enter 'help' for list of built-in commans.
> > (initramsfs) _
> > 
> > I tried it multiple times, including first formatting the USB as a FAT32. 
> > None of that helped. 
> > 
> > Any help in getting this party started will be greatly appreciated!
> > Thanks!
> > Luben
> >
> 
> Exactly how did you copy the image onto the USB stick - what command did
> you use and did you wait until it had copied fully?
> 
> Andy Cater 
> 
> Andy, I did wait till it was done indeed. I copied the image to the USB with:
> dd if=/home/luben/Downloads/debian-live-11.5.0-amd64-gnome.iso of=/dev/sdb 
> bs=8M; sync
> I tried it without the:
> 
> bs=8M; sync
> as well.
> 

Two things:

I'd suggest that you try using the unofficial .iso that includes the firmware.
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.5.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/
 - and pick your desktop from under there.

I'd also suggest dd if=/home/luben/Downloads/[whatever] of=/dev/sdb bs=4M 
oflag=sync status=progress

The oflag=sync forces the sync but status=progress also gives you a figure for
what's actually being written to the stick.

I try hard not to use the live CD but to use the normal Debian installer
instead.

> Thanks,Luben
>

All best,

Andy Cater   

Re: problem getting debian live to run

[David Wright]

On Thu 01 Dec 2022 at 18:58:11 (+), L Dimov wrote:
> I am trying to run debian stable (11.5) live on a new Dell XPS laptop from a 
> USB drive. After the Debian logo displays for a bout a minute, I get this 
> text:
> 
> DPC: RP PIO log size 0 is invalid

I agree with Thomas, just ignore it for the time being.

> thunderbolt 0-0: reading DROM failed
> BusyBox v1.30.1 (Debian 1:1.30.1-6+b3) built-in shell (ash)
> Enter 'help' for list of built-in commans.
> (initramsfs) _

Perhaps look at

  https://docs.kernel.org/admin-guide/thunderbolt.html

and see whether you can authorise whatever thunderbolt is.

Cheers,
David.

Re: problem getting debian live to run

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

L Dimov wrote:
> DPC: RP PIO log size 0 is invalid

Looks like
  https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209943
where it is characterized as annoying message but elsewise harmless.


> thunderbolt 0-0: reading DROM failed

Looks like a problem with the egg-laying woolmilkpig, which substitutes
for a USB interface.

I would assume that this is the reason why the (initramfs) prompt appears.
Assuming you boot in EFI native mode, it looks like GRUB was able to use
the USB interface for loading the Linux kernel and the initrd, but that
the kernel is not able to operate the Thunderbolt interface.

What happens if you boot a most modern Debian installation ISO ?
  
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso

Does it get to the first installation question ?
(IIRC it will ask for language and location. That would be the moment
 to bail out.)


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: problem getting debian live to run

[L Dimov]

   On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 03:28:33 PM EST, Andrew M.A. Cater 
 wrote:  
 
 On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 06:58:11PM +, L Dimov wrote:
> I am trying to run debian stable (11.5) live on a new Dell XPS laptop from a 
> USB drive. After the Debian logo displays for a bout a minute, I get this 
> text:
> 
> DPC: RP PIO log size 0 is invalid
> thunderbolt 0-0: reading DROM failed
> BusyBox v1.30.1 (Debian 1:1.30.1-6+b3) built-in shell (ash)
> Enter 'help' for list of built-in commans.
> (initramsfs) _
> 
> I tried it multiple times, including first formatting the USB as a FAT32. 
> None of that helped. 
> 
> Any help in getting this party started will be greatly appreciated!
> Thanks!
> Luben
>

Exactly how did you copy the image onto the USB stick - what command did
you use and did you wait until it had copied fully?

Andy Cater 

Andy, I did wait till it was done indeed. I copied the image to the USB with:
dd if=/home/luben/Downloads/debian-live-11.5.0-amd64-gnome.iso of=/dev/sdb 
bs=8M; sync
I tried it without the:

bs=8M; sync
as well.

Thanks,Luben
  

Re: problem getting debian live to run

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 06:58:11PM +, L Dimov wrote:
> I am trying to run debian stable (11.5) live on a new Dell XPS laptop from a 
> USB drive. After the Debian logo displays for a bout a minute, I get this 
> text:
> 
> DPC: RP PIO log size 0 is invalid
> thunderbolt 0-0: reading DROM failed
> BusyBox v1.30.1 (Debian 1:1.30.1-6+b3) built-in shell (ash)
> Enter 'help' for list of built-in commans.
> (initramsfs) _
> 
> I tried it multiple times, including first formatting the USB as a FAT32. 
> None of that helped. 
> 
> Any help in getting this party started will be greatly appreciated!
> Thanks!
> Luben
>

Exactly how did you copy the image onto the USB stick - what command did
you use and did you wait until it had copied fully?

Andy Cater 

problem getting debian live to run

[L Dimov]

I am trying to run debian stable (11.5) live on a new Dell XPS laptop from a 
USB drive. After the Debian logo displays for a bout a minute, I get this text:

DPC: RP PIO log size 0 is invalid
thunderbolt 0-0: reading DROM failed
BusyBox v1.30.1 (Debian 1:1.30.1-6+b3) built-in shell (ash)
Enter 'help' for list of built-in commans.
(initramsfs) _

I tried it multiple times, including first formatting the USB as a FAT32. None 
of that helped. 

Any help in getting this party started will be greatly appreciated!
Thanks!
Luben

Re: problem with debian

[deloptes]

Robbi Nespu wrote:

> You should read what thread starter (TS) mentioned and try to understand
> what it about before response.
> 
> TS also should paste or attach the file...so reader will have better
> understanding on what is about

@Robbi,
when you know the answer it is easy to judge. I am not suppose to know how
debian mirrors resolve and OP did not put enough information.

I completely agree with you, but I do not understand what I was suppose to
understand from the OPs initial post.

regards

Re: problem with debian

[Sven Hartge]

Andrei Nae  wrote:

> Hi, I have a debien OS installed on VMware. When i do the command nano
> /etc/apt/sources.list, I don’t have the debian.map.fastlydns.net
> written in the file but as soon as I try to do apt update it tells me
> that debian.map.fastlydns.net can’t be reached.

You will have deb.debian.org in there which is debian.map.fastlydns.net. 

Maybe your VM is using IPv6 and your IPv6 connectivity downstream is
broken.

Or something else related to the networking for you VM is not working
correctly, hard to diagnose without further information.

S°

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Re: problem with debian

[Robbi Nespu]

On 4/30/21 2:11 PM, deloptes wrote:

Andrei Nae wrote:


Hi, I have a debien OS installed on VMware. When i do the command nano
/etc/apt/sources.list, I don’t have the debian.map.fastlydns.net written
in the file but as soon as I try to do apt update it tells me that
debian.map.fastlydns.net can’t be reached.


look for files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d



You should read what thread starter (TS) mentioned and try to understand 
 what it about before response.


TS also should paste or attach the file...so reader will have better 
understanding on what is about


Anyway, your (TS) issue is.. perhaps, TS are using http://deb.debian.org 
on etc/apt/sources.list


That is because of DebianGeoMirror[1], you can try with "curl -i 
http://deb.debian.org/; and see the output.


Pick nearest mirror from https://www.debian.org/mirror/list for no 
redirection



[1] https://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror

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Re: problem with debian

[Darac Marjal]

On 30/04/2021 05:53, Andrei Nae wrote:
>
> Hi, I have a debien OS installed on VMware. When i do the command nano
> /etc/apt/sources.list, I don’t have the debian.map.fastlydns.net
> written in the file but as soon as I try to do apt update it tells me
> that debian.map.fastlydns.net can’t be reached.
>
What DO you have in that file? It's usually not recommended to put a
mirror name directly into that file, specifically for this reason;
individual mirrors sometimes are unavailable.

Instead, it's more common to use a country-wide name such as
ftp.xx.debian.org (where xx is a country code). These hosts don't really
exist, but are a series of redirects pointing to local hosting
providers. Sometimes the list is out of date, and the redirect might
take you to a host which is unavailable.

You can either wait a bit and try again, and you might get redirected to
a different host, or you can use the "new" system at https://deb.debian.org



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Re: problem with debian

[deloptes]

Andrei Nae wrote:

> Hi, I have a debien OS installed on VMware. When i do the command nano
> /etc/apt/sources.list, I don’t have the debian.map.fastlydns.net written
> in the file but as soon as I try to do apt update it tells me that
> debian.map.fastlydns.net can’t be reached.

look for files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d

problem with debian

[Andrei Nae]

Hi, I have a debien OS installed on VMware. When i do the command nano 
/etc/apt/sources.list, I don’t have the debian.map.fastlydns.net written in the 
file but as soon as I try to do apt update it tells me that 
debian.map.fastlydns.net can’t be reached.

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Re: problem with debian Buster and debugging thread in Qt5

[Vincent charente]

Hi Lisandro,

Great, it works with handle SIGSTOP pass nostop noprint. I think I had
already tried but I forgot "pass".

Thank you very much

Le mar. 30 mars 2021 à 15:04, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer <
perezme...@gmail.com> a écrit :

> Hi again!
>
> On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 09:55, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
>  wrote:
> >
> [snip]
> >
> > In fact I can reproduce your issue and at the same time I can make it
> > work under gdb itself, so the issue seems to be in Qt Creator. I've
> > reproduced the issue with Qt Creator from unstable, so let me suggest
> > you to file a bug upstream: http://https://bugreports.qt.io Do not
> > forget to upload this test code, it's very straightforward and so a
> > nice example for an upstream issue.
>
> Actually it is not an issue but a feature. Qt Creator is stopping the
> execution when it receives a signal from gdb, in this case SIGSTOP.
> Add a breakpoint inside the thread code and press F5 to start
> debugging. If you accept the message and press F10 (step) some times
> you will be able to reach the code.
>
> You can tell Qt Creator to ignore the signal. Check
>
> https://forum.qt.io/topic/100958/catching-unix-interrupt-signal-on-console-application-when-debugging-with-qtcreator/2
>
> I've added
>
>   handle SIGSTOP pass nostop noprint
>
> And it just worked :-)
>
> --
> Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
> http://perezmeyer.com.ar/
> http://perezmeyer.blogspot.com/
>

Re: problem with debian Buster and debugging thread in Qt5

[Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer]

Hi again!

On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 09:55, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
 wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> In fact I can reproduce your issue and at the same time I can make it
> work under gdb itself, so the issue seems to be in Qt Creator. I've
> reproduced the issue with Qt Creator from unstable, so let me suggest
> you to file a bug upstream: http://https://bugreports.qt.io Do not
> forget to upload this test code, it's very straightforward and so a
> nice example for an upstream issue.

Actually it is not an issue but a feature. Qt Creator is stopping the
execution when it receives a signal from gdb, in this case SIGSTOP.
Add a breakpoint inside the thread code and press F5 to start
debugging. If you accept the message and press F10 (step) some times
you will be able to reach the code.

You can tell Qt Creator to ignore the signal. Check
https://forum.qt.io/topic/100958/catching-unix-interrupt-signal-on-console-application-when-debugging-with-qtcreator/2

I've added

  handle SIGSTOP pass nostop noprint

And it just worked :-)

-- 
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http://perezmeyer.com.ar/
http://perezmeyer.blogspot.com/

Re: problem with debian Buster and debugging thread in Qt5

[Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer]

Hi Vincent!

On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 05:29, Vincent charente  wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
>
>
> I am sending you this email because I encounter a problem with Debian Buster 
> and default Qt5 package.
>
> I installed packages below :
>
> ·debian 10.8 x86_64 (amd64)
>
> ·apt-get install build-essentials
>
> ·apt-get install gdb
>
> ·apt-get install qt5-default

This one is really not needed at all, feel free to remove it.

> ·apt-get install qtcreator
>
> I have tried to debug an application which contains a thread with GBD but GDB 
> stops when thread starts. I tried to build GDB with last sources but the 
> problem still remains.
>
> This problem doesn’t exist with Debian 9 with the same procedure of 
> installation.
>
> You can find a simple example which increments a counter in a thread every 
> 500ms at the URL below https://pastebin.com/WegsL9vd.
>
>
> Do you know if there is a way to solve this problem ?

In fact I can reproduce your issue and at the same time I can make it
work under gdb itself, so the issue seems to be in Qt Creator. I've
reproduced the issue with Qt Creator from unstable, so let me suggest
you to file a bug upstream: http://https://bugreports.qt.io Do not
forget to upload this test code, it's very straightforward and so a
nice example for an upstream issue.


-- 
Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
http://perezmeyer.com.ar/
http://perezmeyer.blogspot.com/

problem with debian Buster and debugging thread in Qt5

[Vincent charente]

Dear All,



I am sending you this email because I encounter a problem with Debian
Buster and default Qt5 package.

I installed packages below :

·debian 10.8 x86_64 (amd64)

·apt-get install build-essentials

·apt-get install gdb

·apt-get install qt5-default

·apt-get install qtcreator



I have tried to debug an application which contains a thread with GBD but
GDB stops when thread starts. I tried to build GDB with last sources but
the problem still remains.

*This problem doesn’t exist with Debian 9 *with the same procedure of
installation.

You can find a simple example which increments a counter in a thread every
500ms at the URL below https://pastebin.com/WegsL9vd.



Do you know if there is a way to solve this problem ?



Best regards

Re: Problem Installing Debian

[Admin4]

Hello

not an expert border less ness

could you ask someone to install latest Debian + Mate Desktop + orca?

or alternative: have someone prepare a linux boot stick with Debian 10
live iso mate image

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-10.4.0-amd64-mate.iso

(should run out of the box without setup on most systems but bios
settings might need to be modified in order to boot it, try f12 during boot)

imho orca is a gui application can only be used after a desktop was
installed

do you have a desktop gui installed?

mate is pretty simple and orca comes pre installed

when mate is running open a terminal (as non root user)

orca -s

will open up orca setup dialog with all kinds of settings

restart firefox

and it will start reading webpages

On 6/6/20 10:48 AM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Hello,
>
> john doe, le sam. 06 juin 2020 08:24:32 +0200, a ecrit:
>> On 6/5/2020 11:56 PM, Analis Dannen wrote:
>>> Orca will not respond when I try to navigate the installer.  It
>>> simply says the name of the program and that is about it.
> AIUI, you are trying to install Debian from the live CD.  Accessibility
> is not supported in that case yet.  Please use an installation CD, not a
> live CD, and type 's' when the boot menu beeps, to get into a
> speech-enabled installation process.
>
> Samuel
>
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Re: Problem Installing Debian

[Samuel Thibault]

Hello,

john doe, le sam. 06 juin 2020 08:24:32 +0200, a ecrit:
> On 6/5/2020 11:56 PM, Analis Dannen wrote:
> > Orca will not respond when I try to navigate the installer.  It
> > simply says the name of the program and that is about it.

AIUI, you are trying to install Debian from the live CD.  Accessibility
is not supported in that case yet.  Please use an installation CD, not a
live CD, and type 's' when the boot menu beeps, to get into a
speech-enabled installation process.

Samuel

Re: Problem Installing Debian

[john doe]

On 6/5/2020 11:56 PM, Analis Dannen wrote:

Greetings
This is Analis Dannen. I really want to replace my crappy windows
operating system with Debian. As a blind user, I rely on ORCA Screen
Reader to get around in Debian. Well, I have an issue. Orca will not
respond when I try to navigate the installer. It simply says the name
of the program and that is about it. Here is what I have tried.
Enabling the root account through the terminal
After root is enabled, logging out of the live session then logging back in
Logging into the root account only to find that ORCA does not seem to be there
I desperately need your help. Please respond to this Email as soon as
possible. Thank you very much!



It is unclear to me what issue(s) you are having:
- How did you install Debian?
- What release of Debian did you install?

CCing Debian accessibility.

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Problem Installing Debian

[Analis Dannen]

Greetings
This is Analis Dannen. I really want to replace my crappy windows
operating system with Debian. As a blind user, I rely on ORCA Screen
Reader to get around in Debian. Well, I have an issue. Orca will not
respond when I try to navigate the installer. It simply says the name
of the program and that is about it. Here is what I have tried.
Enabling the root account through the terminal
After root is enabled, logging out of the live session then logging back in
Logging into the root account only to find that ORCA does not seem to be there
I desperately need your help. Please respond to this Email as soon as
possible. Thank you very much!

Re: iwlwifi problem with Debian kernel 5.4.0-4-amd64

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting Stefan Pietsch (2020-02-14 22:36:39)
> iwlwifi has a problem with the latest Debian unstable kernel package 
> (5.4.0-4-amd64).
> The wifi interface is not usable.
> 
> 5.4.0-3-amd64 works fine instead.
> 
> Is anyone experiencing the same problem?

Best way to find out is to check if anyone has filed a bugreport.

...and to file a bugreport if noone has done so already, so that others 
can find _your_ experience same way.

In short: Please file bugreports when you experience regressions!


 - Jonas

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iwlwifi problem with Debian kernel 5.4.0-4-amd64

[Stefan Pietsch]

Hi list,

iwlwifi has a problem with the latest Debian unstable kernel package 
(5.4.0-4-amd64).
The wifi interface is not usable.

5.4.0-3-amd64 works fine instead.

Is anyone experiencing the same problem?


##


dmesg at boot:

[   10.318868] iwlwifi :03:00.0: enabling device ( -> 0002)
[   10.327050] iwlwifi :03:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware 
iwlwifi-8265-36.ucode
[   10.327563] iwlwifi :03:00.0: loaded firmware version 36.8fd77bb3.0 
op_mode iwlmvm
[   10.584758] iwlwifi :03:00.0: Detected Intel(R) Dual Band Wireless AC 
8265, REV=0x230
[   11.627285] iwlwifi :03:00.0: Collecting data: trigger 15 fired.
[   11.875699] iwlwifi :03:00.0: Not valid error log pointer 0x for 
Init uCode
[   11.876711] iwlwifi :03:00.0: Fseq Registers:
[   11.877509] iwlwifi :03:00.0: 0x8158ABCE | FSEQ_ERROR_CODE
[   11.878360] iwlwifi :03:00.0: 0x65F35815 | FSEQ_TOP_INIT_VERSION
[   11.879164] iwlwifi :03:00.0: 0x1C244110 | FSEQ_CNVIO_INIT_VERSION
[   11.880011] iwlwifi :03:00.0: 0xA10B | FSEQ_OTP_VERSION
[   11.880829] iwlwifi :03:00.0: 0xD41F2A3F | FSEQ_TOP_CONTENT_VERSION
[   11.881648] iwlwifi :03:00.0: 0x005F770E | FSEQ_ALIVE_TOKEN
[   11.882449] iwlwifi :03:00.0: 0x133EBA56 | FSEQ_CNVI_ID
[   11.883292] iwlwifi :03:00.0: 0x641CF11F | FSEQ_CNVR_ID
[   11.884338] iwlwifi :03:00.0: 0x0010 | CNVI_AUX_MISC_CHIP
[   11.885281] iwlwifi :03:00.0: 0x0BADCAFE | CNVR_AUX_MISC_CHIP
[   11.886275] iwlwifi :03:00.0: 0x0BADCAFE | 
CNVR_SCU_SD_REGS_SD_REG_DIG_DCDC_VTRIM
[   11.887242] iwlwifi :03:00.0: 0x0BADCAFE | 
CNVR_SCU_SD_REGS_SD_REG_ACTIVE_VDIG_MIRROR
[   11.888450] iwlwifi :03:00.0: SecBoot CPU1 Status: 0x3040001, CPU2 
Status: 0x0
[   11.889360] iwlwifi :03:00.0: Failed to start INIT ucode: -110
[   11.890088] iwlwifi :03:00.0: Firmware not running - cannot dump error
[   11.903535] iwlwifi :03:00.0: Failed to run INIT ucode: -110


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Linux version 5.4.0-4-amd64 (debian-ker...@lists.debian.org) (gcc version 9.2.1 
20200203 (Debian 9.2.1-28)) #1 SMP Debian 5.4.19-1 (2020-02-13)

Re: Appears to be a problem with Debian Stretch 9.11.0 regarding WAN non-allocation ...

[Curt]

On 2019-10-10, Susmita/Rajib  wrote:
> To,
> The Team Laptop,
> debian-lap...@lists.debian.org,
> The Team User,
> debian-user@lists.debian.org,
> Team Bugs,
> debian-bugs-d...@lists.debian.org
> Debian.org
>
> My dear illustrious Team Leaders,

> Good morning.
>
> Yes, it appears to definitely be an issue. The following Post in
> forums.debian.net could please be referred to:
> Re: Broadcom wireless card doesn't work
> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7=143081=709041#p709041
>

This might provide relief:

https://wiki.debian.org/wl

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Re: Appears to be a problem with Debian Stretch 9.11.0 regarding WAN non-allocation ...

[Henning Follmann]

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 05:05:49PM +0530, Susmita/Rajib wrote:
> To,
> The Team Laptop,
> debian-lap...@lists.debian.org,
> The Team User,
> debian-user@lists.debian.org,
> Team Bugs,
> debian-bugs-d...@lists.debian.org
> Debian.org
> 
> My dear illustrious Team Leaders,
> 
> Good morning.
> 
> Yes, it appears to definitely be an issue. The following Post in
> forums.debian.net could please be referred to:
> Re: Broadcom wireless card doesn't work
> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7=143081=709041#p709041
>

Broadcom BCM43142 doesn't seem to be supported.

Please read:
https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi

> I have tried everything within my ability but failed. Strangely
> enough, the WAN for Knoppix 8.2.0  and even DOZE work perfectly well
> without any intervention.
> 
> Is this issue with Debian only the result of a Bug?

Depending what you consider a bug. It's a bug in the reasoning of
wifi chip manufacturers. If you ask them it's a feature.


> 
> Could you kindly check the issue please? Advise if any further
> specific input is required from my end?
> 

-H


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Appears to be a problem with Debian Stretch 9.11.0 regarding WAN non-allocation ...

[Susmita/Rajib]

To,
The Team Laptop,
debian-lap...@lists.debian.org,
The Team User,
debian-user@lists.debian.org,
Team Bugs,
debian-bugs-d...@lists.debian.org
Debian.org

My dear illustrious Team Leaders,

Good morning.

Yes, it appears to definitely be an issue. The following Post in
forums.debian.net could please be referred to:
Re: Broadcom wireless card doesn't work
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7=143081=709041#p709041

I have tried everything within my ability but failed. Strangely
enough, the WAN for Knoppix 8.2.0  and even DOZE work perfectly well
without any intervention.

Is this issue with Debian only the result of a Bug?

Could you kindly check the issue please? Advise if any further
specific input is required from my end?

Regards,
Rajib
(Rajib Bandopadhyay)
A Debian and Knoppix user

Psensor Problem in Debian Buster

[Stephen P. Molnar]

I have upgraded from Stretch to Buster.

Psensor fails to autoscale the CPU temperature in Buster when I am 
logged in a user, although it did autoscale the temperature  in 
Stretch.  Buster shows the CPU temperature as 41 degrees Celsius as a 
user, but autoscales running as root.


Insights to a solution to this problem would be most welcome.

Thanks in advance.

--
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614.312.7528 (c)
Skype:  smolnar1

Re: Problem loading Debian 9.8.0

[Keith Bainbridge]

Patrick


I've never found that setting.

Interesting.

Keith Bainbridge

ke1th3...@gmail.com
+61 (0)447 667 468

On 15/4/19 9:51 pm, Patrick Gallagher wrote:

Hi Keith, Liam,

I got it working. It was a simple setting in Virtual box I had to enable 
to load other os's.


Thanks for your help with it

Patrick

Re: Re: Problem loading Debian 9.8.0

[Patrick Gallagher]

Hi Keith, Liam,

I got it working. It was a simple setting in Virtual box I had to enable to
load other os's.

Thanks for your help with it

Patrick

Re: Problem loading Debian 9.8.0

[Keith Bainbridge]

On 13/4/19 2:55 pm, Liam O'Toole wrote:

On 2019-04-10, Patrick Gallagher  wrote:

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Hi Suppot,


This is not support. This is a mailing list for users of debian, just like you.


I installed Debian 9.8.0 on my laptop using an iso DVD image and Virtualbox
6.0.4

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/

I create a virtual drive of 50GB and loaded the ISO from a local folder on
my Laptop.

The installation went fine but when it went to boot the Virtual box
software but the Debian OS didn't load.


[...]


Any suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks,
Patrick


I don't use debian as a guest OS on virtualbox, but I know that there
are various prebuilt debian images[1] for that platform. You might have
better luck with one of those.

1: https://www.osboxes.org/debian/




I do, as a way of testing my 'odd' ideas at times.

The process generally just works.  Most common problem is that sometimes 
vbox tries to boot the .iso again, so try removing that and floppy from 
the boot options.


Are you using vbox 6.04? A couple of us found minor issues with one of 
the recent minor updates which have now disappeared.



I'm not very patient when trying to fix something as new as a fresh 
install. If it fails, I try again - watching everything I do and I end 
up happy.



Keep trying


Keith Bainbridge

keithr...@gmail.com
+61 (0)447 667 468

Re: Problem loading Debian 9.8.0

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2019-04-10, Patrick Gallagher  wrote:
> --9c7f3b05862d2a11
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Hi Suppot,

This is not support. This is a mailing list for users of debian, just like you.
>
> I installed Debian 9.8.0 on my laptop using an iso DVD image and Virtualbox
> 6.0.4
>
> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/
>
> I create a virtual drive of 50GB and loaded the ISO from a local folder on
> my Laptop.
>
> The installation went fine but when it went to boot the Virtual box
> software but the Debian OS didn't load.

[...]

> Any suggestions would be welcome.
>
> Thanks,
> Patrick

I don't use debian as a guest OS on virtualbox, but I know that there
are various prebuilt debian images[1] for that platform. You might have
better luck with one of those.

1: https://www.osboxes.org/debian/

-- 

Liam

Problem loading Debian 9.8.0

[Patrick Gallagher]

Hi Suppot,

I installed Debian 9.8.0 on my laptop using an iso DVD image and Virtualbox
6.0.4

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/

I create a virtual drive of 50GB and loaded the ISO from a local folder on
my Laptop.

The installation went fine but when it went to boot the Virtual box
software but the Debian OS didn't load.

A black box opened up with a flashing cursor in the Top LHS.  It looks as
if its waiting for more files to be loaded before but it just sits there
doing nothing.

I have uninstalled it and reinstalled it again with no success.  I also
have tried installing an earlier version of debian but get the same
result.  I have checked every thing and it seems to be okay.  Virtual box
seems to be working okay and the top tab says Debian [Running]

Is it my laptop.  I am using a Panasonic Toughbook with windows 10 build
1803. .  it has a standard hard drive with 1TB  space. 16GB RAM.  I already
made one change to the bios enabling AMD-V.  Do I need to make any more.  I
can send more info on the laptop if required.

Any suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks,
Patrick

Re: Sony Memory Stick problem on Debian 9 stable

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

On 12/21/17, Darac Marjal  wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 01:01:13PM +0330, Farhad Mohammadi Majd wrote:
>>Hello, I want to buy a old Sony compact digital camera which supports
>>only Memory Stick, a removable flash memory card format, before buy it,
>>I get its memory card to check is it supported under Linux or not.
>>
>>I inserted it into memory card reader and it is detected by system:
>>
> # lsblk
>>
> NAME   MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE
>>
> sdc  8:32   1 2T  0 disk
>
> 2 Terabytes in an old digital camera? Either you're planning on taking a
> LOT of pictures our your Memory Stick is not actually recognised by the
> system.
>
> First off, check that your card reader HARDWARE supports the MS. Have
> you read the Wikipedia page on Memory Sticks? There are almost as many
> variants as Secure Digital has.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_Stick
>
> Secondly, have you checked for physical switches on the Memory Stick?
> There might be a read-only switch; there might even be a bank-select
> switch.


Man, I was sitting here thinking *2 TERABYTES*?! Am I reading that
output wrong?! I'd LOVE for an older camera to take more than 1 or 2
GIGABYTES, let alone 2TB! :))

K/t abject poverty, I play around A LOT with older digital cameras
rather than cutting edge. One alternate trick that *sometimes* works
is that many (dare I say at least most?) of them use cables to
communicate with computers.

*SOMETIMES*, although not always 100% of the time, the communication
that goes on via that cable is what will get what you need even when
memory card readers don't register any given class/type of memory
stick that digital cameras might use.

As I write that, it occurs to me that some of that higher success
gained by going that route is because your "card reader" is then the
same instrument that wrote data to that card in the first place. Of
all the technology available right now, theoretically one would think
that the #1 go-to thing that should *always* be able to read that
card's data is that same instrument that put that data on that card.
One would think :)

But that's something one wouldn't know for sure until the camera is
physically in hand, unfortunately. A couple of us here on Debian-User
had problems going that cable route to transfer images around. Those
issues seem to have settled out, though, over the last year or so.

One hard lesson I learned on the fly was that everything on a camera
can *look* fabulous can put out all the cool digital readings you
want, can preview nice, sharp pics through the viewfinder or on the
LCD screen, etc..

BUT the internal memory card reader/writer and possibly attached
dedicated processor board inside the camera can be shot, fried,
useless. In that kind of case, it can cost as much in service fees and
parts to replace as it would for a newer, much more capable camera.

Nikon D1H is my experience there.. Total brick, but it sure is pretty
to look at and make pretends with. Everyone was sleeping the day I was
able to afford that one.. :)

In the case of a fried internal memory card slot, there would...
obviously... be a bit of card reading issues in that case, too. That
was (mostly) the intended point of bringing that part up.

You can find yourself running into a brick wall for hours trying
everything you can think of for why your memory stick keeps throwing
basic errors, e.g. card not present or card not formatted. Meanwhile
the problem could ultimately be traced to a broken dedicated processor
board or similar for that memory card slot. Nothin' is going to read
nothin' for nothin' in Debian until that gets fixed first. :)

Cindy :)
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* runs with #photog envy *

Re: Sony Memory Stick problem on Debian 9 stable

[Stefan Monnier]

> Hello, I want to buy a old Sony compact digital camera which supports
> only Memory Stick, a removable flash memory card format, before buy it,
> I get its memory card to check is it supported under Linux or not.

FWIW, if you use a USB-connected card reader, then the physical media
doesn't actually matter: it's the card reader which handles the details
of the "Memory Stick" access and your computer will only see a standard
USB-connected disk.

Of course compatibility with GNU/Linux can still be relevant in terms of
the file-system used on those things.  I have an old Sony camera using
Memory Stick Pro and the file system used on it is FAT, so I have
absolutely no trouble reading it on my Debian boxes with a USB-connected
card reader.  But in your case, the "Input/output error" indicates the
problem comes before your computer has a chance to look at the
file-system.

Maybe the card you tried to use, or the card reader was faulty (in my
experience, both have fairly high failure rates).


Stefan

Re: Sony Memory Stick problem on Debian 9 stable

[deloptes]

Darac Marjal wrote:

> 2 Terabytes in an old digital camera? Either you're planning on taking a
> LOT of pictures our your Memory Stick is not actually recognised by the
> system.
> 
> First off, check that your card reader HARDWARE supports the MS. Have
> you read the Wikipedia page on Memory Sticks? There are almost as many
> variants as Secure Digital has.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_Stick
> 
> Secondly, have you checked for physical switches on the Memory Stick?
> There might be a read-only switch; there might even be a bank-select
> switch.

OP wrote "plan to buy". If you have Sony memory stick and know if it works
share, if not read twice before posting, please.

regards

Re: Sony Memory Stick problem on Debian 9 stable

[Joseph Loo]

On 12/21/2017 02:53 AM, Farhad Mohammadi Majd wrote:
>> First off, check that your card reader HARDWARE supports the MS. Have
> you read the Wikipedia page on Memory Sticks? There are almost as many
> variants as Secure Digital has.
> 
> Yes, I have read that article and my memory card reader claims that it
> supports Memory Stick and has a slot for it and I think when it is
> detected by system, this means my memory card reader can read this type
> of memory card.
> 
>> Secondly, have you checked for physical switches on the Memory Stick?
> There might be a read-only switch; there might even be a bank-select
> switch.
> 
> Yes, it has a *Lock* switch, it is set to open.
> 
I believe there is something wrong with your hardware.  I do not believe
there are any sdc much less memory stick that contains 2 tB. The largest
I heard is 256 gB and memory stick is old technology.

In addition be careful of the switch. In sdc cards, the switch does not
truly make the card read only, instead it is a bit to indicate the
switch is on or off. It is up to the software to ensure that you do not
write to it. Of course this may have changed

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Re: Sony Memory Stick problem on Debian 9 stable

[Darac Marjal]

On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 01:01:13PM +0330, Farhad Mohammadi Majd wrote:

Hello, I want to buy a old Sony compact digital camera which supports
only Memory Stick, a removable flash memory card format, before buy it,
I get its memory card to check is it supported under Linux or not.

I inserted it into memory card reader and it is detected by system:


# lsblk



NAME   MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE



sdc  8:32   1 2T  0 disk


2 Terabytes in an old digital camera? Either you're planning on taking a 
LOT of pictures our your Memory Stick is not actually recognised by the 
system.


First off, check that your card reader HARDWARE supports the MS. Have 
you read the Wikipedia page on Memory Sticks? There are almost as many 
variants as Secure Digital has. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_Stick


Secondly, have you checked for physical switches on the Memory Stick? 
There might be a read-only switch; there might even be a bank-select 
switch.




but fdisk can't do anything on it:


# fdisk /dev/sdc





fdisk: cannot open /dev/sdc: Input/output error







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Sony Memory Stick problem on Debian 9 stable

[Farhad Mohammadi Majd]

Hello, I want to buy a old Sony compact digital camera which supports
only Memory Stick, a removable flash memory card format, before buy it,
I get its memory card to check is it supported under Linux or not.

I inserted it into memory card reader and it is detected by system:

>>> # lsblk

>>> NAME   MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE

>>> sdc  8:32   1 2T  0 disk

but fdisk can't do anything on it:

>>> # fdisk /dev/sdc



>>> fdisk: cannot open /dev/sdc: Input/output error

Re: Weird resolver problem in Debian 8

[Torbjörn Pettersson]

Ah, ok.
Thank you! I was rather confused for a while there.


Regards
Torbjorn



On 25/07/17 17:46, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:

On Tue, 25 Jul 2017, Torbjorn Pettersson wrote:

Same result regardless of how many times I run it. Great,
but telnet, however, chooses one of the a records at "random".

DNS sortlist works mostly for apps using outdated APIs.  telnet in
stretch has long moved to the new APIs that are IPv6-enabled properly,
and therefore they will use *all* A and  records returned from the
DNS lookup (so *dns* sort order doesn't matter since it will consider
every result regardless of the order) and select which ones to try first
based on several hardcoded rules *and* (in glibc's case) local
configuration related to IPv6+IPv4 source address selection.

Please configure your network preference ordering in /etc/gai.conf, and
it should work for the majority of the stuff in Debian.  In fact, you
can even configure ipv4 ranges (or all of it) to be prefered over some
ipv6 ranges (or all of it), etc.

Re: Weird resolver problem in Debian 8

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2017, Torbjorn Pettersson wrote:
> Same result regardless of how many times I run it. Great,
> but telnet, however, chooses one of the a records at "random".

DNS sortlist works mostly for apps using outdated APIs.  telnet in
stretch has long moved to the new APIs that are IPv6-enabled properly,
and therefore they will use *all* A and  records returned from the
DNS lookup (so *dns* sort order doesn't matter since it will consider
every result regardless of the order) and select which ones to try first
based on several hardcoded rules *and* (in glibc's case) local
configuration related to IPv6+IPv4 source address selection.

Please configure your network preference ordering in /etc/gai.conf, and
it should work for the majority of the stuff in Debian.  In fact, you
can even configure ipv4 ranges (or all of it) to be prefered over some
ipv6 ranges (or all of it), etc.

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Re: Weird resolver problem in Debian 8

[Torbjorn Pettersson]

On 25/07/17 16:32, Torbjorn Pettersson wrote:

Hello folks,
I came upon a weird problem with the resolver on Debian 8.

root@myserver:~# cat /etc/resolv.conf
search strul.nu
nameserver 192.168.10.20
nameserver 192.168.20.20
sortlist 192.168.20.0/255.255.254.0

root@myserver:~# grep -i hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf
hosts:  files dns

root@myserver:~# grep -i mailgw /etc/hosts
root@myserver:~#




Checking addresses in dns:

root@myserver:~# host mailgw.strul.nu
mailgw.strul.nu has address 192.168.10.11
mailgw.strul.nu has address 192.168.20.11

And ping works the way it is supposed to, every time I run it. That is,
it uses the address suggested by the sortlist:



Oups. I see that I made some errors in transcribing this for email.
Corrected it below:

root@myserver:~# ping mailgw.strul.nu
PING mailgw.strul.nu (192.168.20.11) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from mailgw10.strul.nu (192.168.20.11): icmp_seq=1
ttl=64 time=0.132 ms
64 bytes from mailgw10.strul.nu (192.168.20.11): icmp_seq=2
ttl=64 time=0.133 ms

Same result regardless of how many times I run it. Great,
but telnet, however, chooses one of the a records at "random".


root@myserver:~# telnet mailgw.strul.nu smtp
Trying 192.168.20.11...
Connected to mailgw.strul.nu.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 mailgw10.strul.nu ESMTP



root@myserver:~# telnet mailgw.strul.nu smtp
Trying 192.168.10.11...


Anyone experienced something similar, or know what could be wrong?
In my head this should be handled by libc both for telnet and ping, so
the behavior should be the same?
Also, of course "telnet" in this case isn't really the problem, it's
just an example. The problem in this case is exim4, which behaves like
telnet, not like ping.

Regards
Torbjorn

Weird resolver problem in Debian 8

[Torbjorn Pettersson]

Hello folks,
I came upon a weird problem with the resolver on Debian 8.

root@myserver:~# cat /etc/resolv.conf
search strul.nu
nameserver 192.168.10.20
nameserver 192.168.20.20
sortlist 192.168.20.0/255.255.254.0

root@myserver:~# grep -i hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf
hosts:  files dns

root@myserver:~# grep -i mailgw /etc/hosts
root@myserver:~#




Checking addresses in dns:

root@myserver:~# host mailgw.strul.nu
mailgw.strul.nu has address 192.168.10.11
mailgw.strul.nu has address 192.168.20.11

And ping works the way it is supposed to, every time I run it. That is,
it uses the address suggested by the sortlist:

root@myserver:~# ping mailgw.strul.nu
PING mailgw.strul.nu (172.26.20.11) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from mailgw10.strul.nu (172.26.20.11): icmp_seq=1
ttl=64 time=0.132 ms
64 bytes from mailgw10.strul.nu (172.26.20.11): icmp_seq=2
ttl=64 time=0.133 ms

Same result regardless of how many times I run it. Great,
but telnet, however, chooses one of the a records at "random".


root@myserver:~# telnet mailgw.strul.nu smtp
Trying 172.26.20.11...
Connected to mailgw.strul.nu.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 mailgw10.strul.nu ESMTP



root@myserver:~# telnet mailgw.strul.nu smtp
Trying 172.26.10.11...


Anyone experienced something similar, or know what could be wrong?
In my head this should be handled by libc both for telnet and ping, so
the behavior should be the same?
Also, of course "telnet" in this case isn't really the problem, it's
just an example. The problem in this case is exim4, which behaves like
telnet, not like ping.

Regards
Torbjorn

Re: Ati Radeon HD 7850 Problem on Debian 7 Stable

[lukn555]

Good Day Joao

 I have an Ati Radeon 7850, and have tried using in Debian Stable.

Your graphics card is not supported by a free Debian 7. You will need
the proprietary driver from AMD. If you are not willing to spoil your
system with proprietary crap, contact me directly and I can hand you my
.deb of a driver that should work with this card generation (I have a
7750) or create your own backport of xserver-xorg-video-radeon.

 but doing so, makes my ETH0 not respond to DHCP at all

Your wifi card should be wlan0, not eth0 :-)

hth
lukn555



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Ati Radeon HD 7850 Problem on Debian 7 Stable

[João Luís Correia de Medeiros]

Dear sir or madam,
 
I have an Ati Radeon 7850, and have tried using in Debian Stable.
 
However, I am constantly greeted by X.org issues (in this case, it being unable 
to start, I'm guessing because of the kernel mod not being properly installed 
because I'm using an outdated kernel?)
 
So, in sum, I'm asking what way you recommend me installing or adding support 
for this card, as I'm unable to.
 
I've tried various sources and blogs explaining how to do it, but more often 
than not, I end up with a corrupted installation following their suggestions / 
explanations.
 
Same thing goes for my wireless card (I was unfortunate enough to get a realtek 
chip, it's an RTL8192 ), I install firmware-realtek from Debian ( And 
firmware-Linux-nonfree ) hoping it's all I need to get it up and running, but 
doing so, makes my ETH0 not respond to DHCP at all (I'm guessing it also needs 
a firmware blob to work, and is somehow being given the wrong one? )

Any help is appreciated! 
 
Thank you
 
Best Regards
 
JM
 
 
  

Re: Ati Radeon HD 7850 Problem on Debian 7 Stable

[Joel Roth]

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:49:51PM -0500, João Luís Correia de Medeiros wrote:
 Dear sir or madam,
 Same thing goes for my wireless card (I was unfortunate enough to get a 
 realtek chip, it's an RTL8192 ), I install firmware-realtek from Debian ( And 
 firmware-Linux-nonfree ) hoping it's all I need to get it up and running, but 
 doing so, makes my ETH0 not respond to DHCP at all (I'm guessing it also 
 needs a firmware blob to work, and is somehow being given the wrong one? )

Dear JM,

According to lspci, I have RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN
Controller.  I've been using the rtlwifi and rtl8192se
drivers for years, with firmware-realtek.  The drivers are
not the greatest, but they don't interfere with eth0. 

I think the DHCP issue you have may be a different problem.

Regards,
 
 Any help is appreciated! 
  
 Thank you
  
 Best Regards
  
 JM
  
  
 

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Re: Problem with Debian 6 LTS and vlc

[davidson]

On Thu, 14 Aug 2014, Bret Busby wrote:


Hello.


hi bret.


I am not sure whether support queries specific to Debian 6 LTS,
should be posted to this list,


i assume such queries are on-topic here.


or to the LTS list - on the web page at
https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Contact#debian-lts
is


Mailing lists

debian-lts

https://lists.debian.org/debian-lts/ (gmane)

Description: Discussion and coordination of long-term support work for
Debian. Everyone involved or interested in providing Long-Term Support
for Debian should feel free to join this list. Discussion of policy,
on-going support issues, and anything else relating to LTS are all
on-topic here.



though i'm not subscribed to debian-lts, based on that description i
would expect your query regarding installing vlc to be on-topic there
as well.


which makes that list appear to me (along with the messages that I
have so far seen posted to it), to be for developers, rather than
for Debian 6 LTS users who are seeking support.


fwiw, that is not my interpretation.


I have just tried to install vlc on this laptop.

At first attempt, it kept prompting for the disc number..., so I
checked the /etc/apt/sources.list file, and found that it was not set
up for LTS.


as you have probably discovered, if you have a working internet
connection and aren't in the mood to mess around with cds, then you
should comment out any lines beginning with 'deb cdrom:...' in
/etc/apt/sources.list .


So, I updated the /etc/apt/sources.list file, as (I believe) shown on
the relevant wiki web page, and ran apt-get update and then apt-get
upgrade, and that apparently included removal of about 3.6MB of
something (it did not say what would be removed).


the more details you supply, pertaining to your problem, the more
details you are likely to receive, pertaining to its solution.  (i am
a little surprised you haven't received more responses to your query
yet, but maybe this principle explains why.)

regarding your sources.list, i wonder what is the output of

 $ grep '^[^#]' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}


But, now I can not install vlc.


i do not run squeeze any more, but i find that surprising.  sounds
like a problem.  i wonder what the problem is.


I get, in the error box (the error classification/description, can
not be copied and pasted),


vlc:
Depends: vlc-nox but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libfribidi0 (=0.19.2) but it is not installable
Depends: libsdl-image1.2 (=1.2.10) but it is not installable
Depends: libxcb-keysyms1 (=0.3.6) but it is not installable
Recommends: vlc-plugin-notify but it is not going to be installed
Recommends: vlc-plugin-pulse but it is not going to be installed


Is vlc no longer installable, on Debian 6?


with the caveat that i don't currently run squeeze myself, it would
surprise me if vlc were not installable on squeeze, and (with due
respect to third-party repository enthusiasts) i doubt that third
party repositories are required to install it.

again, regarding your sources.list, i wonder what is the output of

 $ grep '^[^#]' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}

-wes


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Re: Problem with Debian 6 LTS and vlc

[davidson]

On Thu, 14 Aug 2014, Go Linux wrote:


On Wed, 8/13/14, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote:

[snip]


 Is vlc no longer installable, on Debian 6?

---

I have vlc running on squeeze LTS.  Looks like it comes from Debian
multimedia packages maintainers
pkg-multimedia-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org so you'll
likely have to add the http://www.deb-multimedia.org oldstable main
repo to your sources list.


FYI:

 There is 'Debian Multimedia Maintainers' and 'deb-multimedia.org'. So what's the 
difference?

 
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FAQ#There_is_.27Debian_Multimedia_Maintainers.27_and_.27deb-multimedia.org.27._So_what.27s_the_difference.3F

deb-multimedia.org is unrelated to the debian multimedia packaging
team.

-wes


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Re: Problem with Debian 6 LTS and vlc

[davidson]

On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, david...@ling.ohio-state.edu wrote:


On Thu, 14 Aug 2014, Go Linux wrote:


On Wed, 8/13/14, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote:

[snip]


 Is vlc no longer installable, on Debian 6?

---

I have vlc running on squeeze LTS.  Looks like it comes from Debian
multimedia packages maintainers
pkg-multimedia-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org so you'll
likely have to add the http://www.deb-multimedia.org oldstable main
repo to your sources list.


FYI:

There is 'Debian Multimedia Maintainers' and 'deb-multimedia.org'. So 
what's the difference?


https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FAQ#There_is_.27Debian_Multimedia_Maintainers.27_and_.27deb-multimedia.org.27._So_what.27s_the_difference.3F


just for the record, to sidestep eventual link-rot:

from DebianMultimedia/FAQ - Debian Wiki
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FAQ#There_is_.27Debian_Multimedia_Maintainers.27_and_.27deb-multimedia.org.27._So_what.27s_the_difference.3F

| 2.5. There is 'Debian Multimedia Maintainers' and
| 'deb-multimedia.org'. So what's the difference?

|'Debian Multimedia Maintainers' is the team behind the packaging
|of multimedia related packages distributed with Debian. In other
|words, 'Debian Multimedia Maintainers' is us.

|'deb-multimedia.org' (aka 'dmo' or 'd-m.o', formerly
|'debian-multimedia.org') is a site that offers a repository of
|multimedia packages as well. That site is maintained by an
|individual that is not part of this team.

| 2.5.1. freedom

|A key difference between the 'deb-multimedia.org' and our team is
|that we strive to maintain packages that are considered DFSG free
|or get them to a state where they become DFSG free.  Moreover, we
|aim at proper integration of programs into the Debian system. In
|contrast to official Debian packages, many packages from
|'deb-multimedia.org' are licensed under non-free terms that limit
|their use and are not freely redistributable.

| 2.5.2. versioning

|To distinguish between our official packages and packages from
|d-m.o, d-m.o adds an 'epoch' to the version number and uses a
|specific revision counter. This means that once you installed a
|version from d-m.o, package management software will always
|consider that version newer than the official package - even when
|the official package is in actual fact a newer version (but
|without the epoch).


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Re: Problem with Debian 6 LTS and vlc

[Go Linux]

On Fri, 8/15/14, david...@ling.ohio-state.edu david...@ling.ohio-state.edu 
wrote:

 Subject: Re: Problem with Debian 6 LTS and vlc
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Date: Friday, August 15, 2014, 3:54 PM
 
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014, Go Linux wrote:
 
 On Wed, 8/13/14, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote:
[snip]

 
  Is vlc no longer installable, on Debian 6?
 
 ---

 I have vlc running on squeeze LTS.  Looks like it comes from Debian
 multimedia packages maintainers
 pkg-multimedia-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org so you'll
 likely have to add the http://www.deb-multimedia.org oldstable main
 repo to your sources list.


FYI:

  There is 'Debian Multimedia Maintainers' and 'deb-multimedia.org'. So what's 
the difference?

  
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FAQ#There_is_.27Debian_Multimedia_Maintainers.27_and_.27deb-multimedia.org.27._So_what.27s_the_difference.3F

deb-multimedia.org is unrelated to the debian multimedia packaging
team.

---

This description comes from the properties option in synaptic:

Debian multimedia packages maintainers 
pkg-multimedia-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org

But when I just checked from the source option it says it was installed from:

oldstable/main (http.debian.net)

It has the official Debian logo on the vlc entries so it must be still be in 
oldstable now.  IIRC it was about this time that multimedia was no longer being 
maintained and supported by Debian and moved over to a third party repo.  
Section 2.5 on the page you posted above has a thorough explanation starting 
with this:

2.5. There is 'Debian Multimedia Maintainers' and 'deb-multimedia.org'. So 
what's the difference?

'Debian Multimedia Maintainers' is the team behind the packaging of multimedia 
related packages distributed with Debian. In other words, 'Debian Multimedia 
Maintainers' is us.

'deb-multimedia.org' (aka 'dmo' or 'd-m.o', formerly 'debian-multimedia.org') 
is a site that offers a repository of multimedia packages as well. That site is 
maintained by an individual that is not part of this team. 

If you continue reading down that page the transitions and differences are 
clearly described.

As an alternative, you might try the version in the Mepis community repo for 
squeeze.  The media packages that Steve Pusser builds have always been 
compatible with my system.   He's a real wizard!

golinux
 


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Re: Problem with Debian 6 LTS and vlc

[Go Linux]

On Wed, 8/13/14, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Subject: Problem with Debian 6 LTS and vlc
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 11:46 PM

 
 I have just tried to install vlc on this laptop.
 
 At first attempt, it kept prompting for the disc number..., so I
 checked the /etc/apt/sources.list file, and found that it was not set up for 
LTS.
 
 So, I updated the /etc/apt/sources.list file, as (I believe) shown on the 
relevant wiki web page, and ran apt-get update and then
 apt-get upgrade, and that apparently included removal of about 3.6MB of 
something (it did not say what would be removed).
 
 But, now I can not install vlc.
 
 I get, in the error box (the error classification/description, can not be 
copied and pasted)
 
 
 vlc:
  Depends: vlc-nox but it is not going to be installed
  Depends: libfribidi0 (=0.19.2) but it is not installable
  Depends: libsdl-image1.2 (=1.2.10) but it is not installable
  Depends: libxcb-keysyms1 (=0.3.6) but it is not installable
  Recommends: vlc-plugin-notify but it is not going to be installed
  Recommends: vlc-plugin-pulse but it is not going to be installed
 
 
 Is vlc no longer installable, on Debian 6?
 
---

I have vlc running on squeeze LTS.  Looks like it comes from Debian multimedia 
packages maintainers pkg-multimedia-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org so 
you'll likely have to add the http://www.deb-multimedia.org  oldstable main 
repo to your sources list.

 


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Problem with Debian 6 LTS and vlc

[Bret Busby]

Hello.

I am not sure whether support queries specific to Debian 6 LTS, should
be posted to this list, or to the LTS list - on the web page at
https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Contact#debian-lts
is


Mailing lists

debian-lts

https://lists.debian.org/debian-lts/ (gmane)

Description: Discussion and coordination of long-term support work for
Debian. Everyone involved or interested in providing Long-Term Support
for Debian should feel free to join this list. Discussion of policy,
on-going support issues, and anything else relating to LTS are all
on-topic here.


which makes that list appear to me (along with the messages that I
have so far seen posted to it), to be for developers, rather than for
Debian 6 LTS users who are seeking support.

I have just tried to install vlc on this laptop.

At first attempt, it kept prompting for the disc number..., so I
checked the /etc/apt/sources.list file, and found that it was not set
up for LTS.

So, I updated the /etc/apt/sources.list file, as (I believe) shown on
the relevant wiki web page, and ran apt-get update and then apt-get
upgrade, and that apparently included removal of about 3.6MB of
something (it did not say what would be removed).

But, now I can not install vlc.

I get, in the error box (the error classification/description, can not
be copied and pasted),


vlc:
 Depends: vlc-nox but it is not going to be installed
 Depends: libfribidi0 (=0.19.2) but it is not installable
 Depends: libsdl-image1.2 (=1.2.10) but it is not installable
 Depends: libxcb-keysyms1 (=0.3.6) but it is not installable
 Recommends: vlc-plugin-notify but it is not going to be installed
 Recommends: vlc-plugin-pulse but it is not going to be installed


Is vlc no longer installable, on Debian 6?

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Re: Problem with Debian 7.5 i386 lxde LIVE ISO and Brasero

[Bret Busby]

On 12/07/2014, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 12/07/2014, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello.

 I have downloaded the file
 debian-live-7.5.0-i386-lxde-desktop.iso
 and tried to write it to a DVD (type DVD-R), using Brasero, and it
 does not work.

 With the Burning Disc dialogue box, it states that it has written
 2%, then goes to an ejecting medium message, then a dialogue box

 
 Error while burning.

 SCSI error on write(14096,16): [5 21 02] Invalid address
 

 Whilst I can not copy and paste text from the Image Burning Setup
 dialogue box, when I retry with a DVD to which it would not write the
 image, the text in the dialogue box, includes
 Please replace the disc with a supported CD or DVD, so I assume that
 the DVD's are being denatured (having faulty writes so that they
 cannot be used)

 Is the ISO image faulty?

 I have not experienced this problem before, and, this has now happened
 with three consecutive DVD's from a pack of ten, and I have previously
 written ISO images including for the Debian 7.5 amd64 lxde, that have
 successfully booted, so the one variant that is involved for the
 failed DVD writes, is the ISO image.


snip


 Clarification:
 The last paragraph above;

 I have not experienced this problem before, and, this has now happened
 with three consecutive DVD's from a pack of ten, and I have previously
 written ISO images including for the Debian 7.5 amd64 lxde, that have
 successfully booted, so the one variant that is involved for the
 failed DVD writes, is the ISO image.

 should have been

 I have not experienced this problem before, and, this has now happened
 with three consecutive DVD's from a pack of ten, and I have previously
 written ISO images including for the Debian 7.5 amd64 lxde, that have
 successfully booted,
 from the same pack of blank DVD's,
 so the one variant that is involved for the
 failed DVD writes, is the ISO image.


IHello.

Thank you to those who replied with assistance.

However, I now believe that I got the source of the problem wrong, and
I believe that the problem is kind of solved.

I had downloaded, after the above, the ISO images for the 7.6.0 live
LXDE amd 64 and i386 systems, and, copied them to a USB drive (after
ruining about half a dozen blank DVD's, but not with these two
particular ISO files), and, used that in a laptop, and wrote to blank
DVD's in the laptop, without any problem., I have then used the i386
one, to boot on my celeron laptop, an HP/Compaq NX5000, to test the
writing of the ISO file to the DVD, and, it kind of booted okay (the
only way that it would boot, was with the 486 option, and, not with
the 686 option, and I believe the Celeron to be a 686 based Celeron,
but, I may be wrong).

So, in short, the problem appears to have been that the DVD drive in
my desktop workstation has suddenly failed (I have not encountered a
CD or DVD drive, failing, before this, that I remember - maybe floppy
drives, and Hard Disk Drives, but, not cd or DVD drives).

What alerted me to the possibility, was when I tried to play a video
DVD borrowed from our local public library, in my desktop
workstation, and it would not play it.

The problem is, as said, kind of solved, as have not replaced the
optical disk drive in the computer, and, probably will not, as the
design of the computer, is lousy for modifying the computer, unlike
the IBM PS/2 architecture, that was a pleasure to work with (slide
components out, slide in their replacements, all easily accessible);
this one seems to need an electronics engineer, to do anything with
its components.

I have not inserted SOLVED into the subject line of this message,
as, in gmail, and, I assume, other similarly thread-based mail
viewers, such an addition of a word in the subject field, is regarded
as a different thread, and, leaving the subject field as it is,
appends this message to the thread to which it relates.

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Armadale
West Australia
..

So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means.
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts,
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992




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Re: Problem with Debian 7.5 i386 lxde LIVE ISO and Brasero

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 01 August 2014 21:14:33 Bret Busby wrote:
 I have not encountered a
 CD or DVD drive, failing, before this, that I remember

I have, frequently.  An optical drive has moving parts.  Things with moving 
parts sometimes go wrong!

Lisi


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Re: Problem with Debian 7.5 i386 lxde LIVE ISO and Brasero

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Bret Busby's Brasero:
 SCSI error on write(14096,16): [5 21 02] Invalid address

This is a problem between libburn and drive.
libburn is supposed to write a sequence of consequtive block
addresses in steps of 16. The drive perceives block address 14096
as out of sequence.

Since libburn and drives usually do not have this problem, we
are facing an individual defect here. Having the choice between
an individually bad libburn and an individually bad drive, i
now point to the drive. It seems ill.

I am the developer of libburn. If you suspect that libburn is the
culprit, then we can examine the data traffic between software
and drive, by help of my command line program xorriso.
In this case send me the file  /tmp/xorriso.log  which gets produced
by this very verbous program run:

  xorriso -as cdrecord \
 dev=/dev/sr0 -V -v debian-live-7.5.0-i386-lxde-desktop.iso \
 21 | tee -i /tmp/xorriso.log

(I assume your drive has address /dev/sr0. If you have more than
 one drive, it could be sr1, sr2, ...)


Have a nice day :)

Thomas


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Problem with Debian 7.5 i386 lxde LIVE ISO and Brasero

[Bret Busby]

Hello.

I have downloaded the file
debian-live-7.5.0-i386-lxde-desktop.iso
and tried to write it to a DVD (type DVD-R), using Brasero, and it
does not work.

With the Burning Disc dialogue box, it states that it has written
2%, then goes to an ejecting medium message, then a dialogue box


Error while burning.

SCSI error on write(14096,16): [5 21 02] Invalid address


Whilst I can not copy and paste text from the Image Burning Setup
dialogue box, when I retry with a DVD to which it would not write the
image, the text in the dialogue box, includes
Please replace the disc with a supported CD or DVD, so I assume that
the DVD's are being denatured (having faulty writes so that they
cannot be used)

Is the ISO image faulty?

I have not experienced this problem before, and, this has now happened
with three consecutive DVD's from a pack of ten, and I have previously
written ISO images including for the Debian 7.5 amd64 lxde, that have
successfully booted, so the one variant that is involved for the
failed DVD writes, is the ISO image.

-- 
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West Australia
..

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 you'll know what the answer means.
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 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts,
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992




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Re: Problem with Debian 7.5 i386 lxde LIVE ISO and Brasero

[Bret Busby]

On 12/07/2014, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello.

 I have downloaded the file
 debian-live-7.5.0-i386-lxde-desktop.iso
 and tried to write it to a DVD (type DVD-R), using Brasero, and it
 does not work.

 With the Burning Disc dialogue box, it states that it has written
 2%, then goes to an ejecting medium message, then a dialogue box

 
 Error while burning.

 SCSI error on write(14096,16): [5 21 02] Invalid address
 

 Whilst I can not copy and paste text from the Image Burning Setup
 dialogue box, when I retry with a DVD to which it would not write the
 image, the text in the dialogue box, includes
 Please replace the disc with a supported CD or DVD, so I assume that
 the DVD's are being denatured (having faulty writes so that they
 cannot be used)

 Is the ISO image faulty?

 I have not experienced this problem before, and, this has now happened
 with three consecutive DVD's from a pack of ten, and I have previously
 written ISO images including for the Debian 7.5 amd64 lxde, that have
 successfully booted, so the one variant that is involved for the
 failed DVD writes, is the ISO image.

 --
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 Armadale
 West Australia
 ..

 So once you do know what the question actually is,
  you'll know what the answer means.
 - Deep Thought,
  Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
  The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
  A Trilogy In Four Parts,
  written by Douglas Adams,
  published by Pan Books, 1992

 



Clarification:
The last paragraph above;

 I have not experienced this problem before, and, this has now happened
 with three consecutive DVD's from a pack of ten, and I have previously
 written ISO images including for the Debian 7.5 amd64 lxde, that have
 successfully booted, so the one variant that is involved for the
 failed DVD writes, is the ISO image.

should have been

 I have not experienced this problem before, and, this has now happened
 with three consecutive DVD's from a pack of ten, and I have previously
 written ISO images including for the Debian 7.5 amd64 lxde, that have
 successfully booted,
from the same pack of blank DVD's,
so the one variant that is involved for the
 failed DVD writes, is the ISO image.

-- 
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West Australia
..

So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means.
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts,
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992




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Re: Problem with Debian 7.5 i386 lxde LIVE ISO and Brasero

[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 02:12:56AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
 On 12/07/2014, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hello.
 
  I have downloaded the file
  debian-live-7.5.0-i386-lxde-desktop.iso
  and tried to write it to a DVD (type DVD-R), using Brasero, and it
  does not work.
 
  With the Burning Disc dialogue box, it states that it has written
  2%, then goes to an ejecting medium message, then a dialogue box
 
  
  Error while burning.
 
  SCSI error on write(14096,16): [5 21 02] Invalid address
  
 
  Is the ISO image faulty?

Check the MD5Sum.

To eliminate brasero from the equation, I would see what wodim thinks.

e.g.

wodim -v -dummy speed=4 /path/to/file.iso

-dummy will ensure the laser is turned off so that you don't create
another coaster.

You *may* need to pass the device if wodim doesn't detect it, with
'dev=/dev/sdx' or 'dev=/dev/srx' (replace x with right value.)

If there are no errors, (the -v means verbose) then remove the '-dummy'
option to see if it burns properly. 

I would first check the MD5Sum, though.

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Re: Problem with Debian 7.5 i386 lxde LIVE ISO and Brasero

[Steve Litt]

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 02:03:14 +0800
Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello.
 
 I have downloaded the file
 debian-live-7.5.0-i386-lxde-desktop.iso
 and tried to write it to a DVD (type DVD-R), using Brasero, and it
 does not work.

Ahh, now you're in my neck of the woods. Try this:

growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=debian-live-7.5.0-i386-lxde-desktop.iso

If you have a /dev/dvd, the preceding should burn the iso quite well.
Unless, of course, you have some kind of weird problem, in which case
you can email us back with the results.

SteveT

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RE: Problem Installing Debian Testng/Jessie VMware Tools

[Stephen P. Molnar]

Here is my original message:

I have installed Debian Testing/Jessie on my 64 bit Laptop in VMware Player
v- 6.0.1-1379776.  vmhgfs failed the build process.  The relevant portion of
the build log is (complete log is attached):

Using 2.6.x kernel buildInstalling VMware Tools.
make: Entering directory `/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only'
/usr/bin/make -C /lib/modules/3.13-1-amd64/build/include/.. SUBDIRS=$PWD
SRCROOT=$PWD/. \
 MODULEBUILDDIR= modules
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.13-1-amd64'
  CC [M]  /tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/backdoor.o
  CC [M]  /tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/backdoorGcc64.o
  CC [M]  /tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/bdhandler.o
  CC [M]  /tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/cpName.o
  CC [M]  /tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/cpNameLinux.o
  CC [M]  /tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/cpNameLite.o
  CC [M]  /tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/dir.o
  CC [M]  /tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/dentry.o
  CC [M]  /tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/file.o
  CC [M]  /tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/filesystem.o
/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/file.c: In function 'HgfsOpen':
/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/file.c:685:27: error: incompatible type
for argument 3 of 'HgfsSetUidGid'
   current_fsuid(), current_fsgid());
   ^
In file included from /tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/file.c:46:0:
/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/fsutil.h:92:6: note: expected 'uid_t' but
argument is of type 'kuid_t'
void HgfsSetUidGid(struct inode *parent,
  ^
/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/file.c:685:27: error: incompatible type
for argument 4 of 'HgfsSetUidGid'
   current_fsuid(), current_fsgid());
   ^
In file included from /tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/file.c:46:0:
/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/fsutil.h:92:6: note: expected 'gid_t' but
argument is of type 'kgid_t'
void HgfsSetUidGid(struct inode *parent,
  ^
make[4]: *** [/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/file.o] Error 1
make[4]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
  CC [M]  /tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/fsutil.o
/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/filesystem.c: In function
'HgfsInitSuperInfo':
/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/filesystem.c:234:15: error: incompatible
types when assigning to type 'uid_t' from type 'kuid_t'
   si-uid = current_uid();
   ^
/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/filesystem.c:240:15: error: incompatible
types when assigning to type 'gid_t' from type 'kgid_t'
   si-gid = current_gid();
   ^
make[4]: *** [/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/filesystem.o] Error 1
/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/fsutil.c: In function
'HgfsChangeFileAttributes':
/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/fsutil.c:680:20: error: incompatible types
when assigning to type 'kuid_t' from type 'uid_t'
   inode-i_uid = si-uid;
^
/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/fsutil.c:682:20: error: incompatible types
when assigning to type 'kuid_t' from type 'uint32'
   inode-i_uid = attr-userId;
^
/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/fsutil.c:685:20: error: incompatible types
when assigning to type 'kgid_t' from type 'gid_t'
   inode-i_gid = si-gid;
^
/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/fsutil.c:687:20: error: incompatible types
when assigning to type 'kgid_t' from type 'uint32'
   inode-i_gid = attr-groupId;
^
/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/fsutil.c: In function 'HgfsSetUidGid':
/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/fsutil.c:1663:21: error: incompatible
types when assigning to type 'kuid_t' from type 'uid_t'
setUidGid.ia_uid = uid;
 ^
/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/fsutil.c:1671:24: error: incompatible
types when assigning to type 'kgid_t' from type 'gid_t'
   setUidGid.ia_gid = gid;
^
make[4]: *** [/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only/fsutil.o] Error 1
make[3]: *** [_module_/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only] Error 2
make[2]: *** [sub-make] Error 2
make[1]: *** [all] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.13-1-amd64'
make: *** [vmhgfs.ko] Error 2
make: Leaving directory `/tmp/modconfig-YbqXQN/vmhgfs-only'

I have no idea as to what te problem might be.  Any assistance will be much
appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D.Life is a fuzzy
set
Foundation for Chemistry   Stochastic and
multivariate
www.FoundationForChemistry.com
(614)312-7528 (c)
Skype:  smolnar1


-Original Message-
From: Jerry Stuckle [mailto:jstuc...@attglobal.net] 
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2014 8:57 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Problem Installing Debian Testng/Jessie VMware Tools

On 4/6/2014 4:03 PM, Mr Queue wrote:
 On Sun, 6 Apr 2014 15:11:57 -0400
 Stephen P. Molnar s.mol...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 Any assistance will be much appreciated.

 Seems

Re: Problem Installing Debian Testng/Jessie VMware Tools

[Jerry Stuckle]

On 4/7/2014 12:17 AM, Mr Queue wrote:

On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 22:20:19 -0400
Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:


Which does not solve the problem YOU are causing.

And once again you refuse to copy the relevant information when
replying.

Jerry


Sorry Jerry. We do our best to incorporate all levels of users here. On
that note, this should get you going:

http://bit.ly/1fUoROI



I don't need your silly links to know how to use mail lists.  I started 
with email around 40 years ago, when it was Arpanet.  I also have been 
using Linux for a number of years.


But one thing hasn't changed in all that time.  People who refuse to 
follow netiquette, especially in respect to copying relevant information 
in their replies, are either stubborn or stoopid.  Which are you?


Obviously you must be the latter, since you aren't addressing the 
problem YOU are causing.


Jerry


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