RE: rawrite broken from DOS-box under W98? (Was: Re: thinkpad install prob)
-Original Message- From: Martin Albert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 21 May 2000 5:52 PM To: Karl M. Hegbloom Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: rawrite broken from DOS-box under W98? (Was: Re: thinkpad install prob) CrossBrand - BIOS upgrade/reference disks corrupted by Windows 95/98 Applicable Countries: Worldwide Thanks for this information. This explains some of the floppy disk corruptions we have at work. Does this still happen when the disk write protect tab is open? The cure is to clearly label every disk with a large warning. Regards Richard
RE: Realtime sched and floppy (Was: Re: rawrite broken from DOS-box under W98? (Was: Re: thinkpad install prob))
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Karl M. Hegbloom Sent: Sunday, 21 May 2000 12:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Robert Waldner; debian-user@lists.debian.org; Michael Skipper Subject: Realtime sched and floppy (Was: Re: rawrite broken from DOS-box under W98? (Was: Re: thinkpad install prob)) Richard It works correctly from the dos box in WIN98 second Richard edition. I wouldn't Richard recommend trying it while you have other application running. Linux has similar trouble under certain conditions. The motivation for my comment is that you don't want any application trying to access the drive apart from rawrite. You'll be suprised how often this can happen and it totally stuffs things up. Regards Richard
RE: Realtime sched and floppy (Was: Re: rawrite broken from DOS-box under W98? (Was: Re: thinkpad install prob))
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Karl M. Hegbloom Sent: Sunday, 21 May 2000 12:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Robert Waldner; debian-user@lists.debian.org; Michael Skipper Subject: Realtime sched and floppy (Was: Re: rawrite broken from DOS-box under W98? (Was: Re: thinkpad install prob)) Richard It works correctly from the dos box in WIN98 second Richard edition. I wouldn't Richard recommend trying it while you have other application running. Linux has similar trouble under certain conditions. The motivation for my comment is that you don't want any application trying to access the drive apart from rawrite. You'll be suprised how often this can happen and it totally stuffs things up. Regards Richard I had the original thinkpad problem. Turns out I was making the floppies correctly (rawrite2 in plain DOS)--for some reason my TP didn't like slink (or at least the source of those files). I have sucessfully installed potato (16 [EMAIL PROTECTED]) and am now thoroughly and happily confused (thanks to Gary in Wien for suggesting it!). I am resisting the urge to query the list daily (actually I'm too busy this week to do so) and plan to R all TFMs. Related to another thread, has there been any discussion of a [EMAIL PROTECTED] perhaps some of the more experienced folk could rotate monitoring it. Just a thought. Thanks to all for allowing me to learn a little through osmosis. Mike Skipper
Re: rawrite broken from DOS-box under W98? (Was: Re: thinkpad install prob)
On Sat, 20 May 2000, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: Robert Every floppy I've written in a DOS-box so far wrote fine but Robert didn't work, so I strongly recommend booting into real DOS (via Robert F8 when Starting Windows 9x...). Have other people exerienced this? (I've never used Windows = 3.1, so I don't know.) CrossBrand - BIOS upgrade/reference disks corrupted by Windows 95/98 Applicable Countries: Worldwide Service Hints Tips Symptom: Performing a DIR command in the Windows 95/98 environment on a Flash BIOS update diskette or a PS/2 Reference Diskette may cause the diskette to become inoperative. This affects ALL IntelliStations, PS/ValuePoint, IBM PCs and PS/2 systems. Problem Isolation Aid: None ;-) Fix: Microsoft uses an 8 byte block on the diskette for labelling purposes in Windows 95/98. When a DIR command is executed, this 8 byte block is written to by Windows 95. The Diskette Drive A: Icon under the My Computer folder in Windows 95/98 has the same affect as the DIR command. IBM uses this same 8 byte block for Flash BIOS updates and PS/2 Reference Diskettes to ensure that the Flash is occurring in a stable environment. Once the 8 byte block has been written to by the Windows 95/98 DIR command, the Flash diskette or Reference Diskette will display an error indicating that This is not a valid Flash Disketteor This is not the correct Reference Diskette for this system. - roger? greetings, martin
rawrite broken from DOS-box under W98? (Was: Re: thinkpad install prob)
Robert == Robert Waldner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael Skipper [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I try to boot from the rescue floppy (downloaded from the http://www.debian.org/releases/slink/i386/ ch-install-methods.en.html#s-file-descs area and written to floppy with rawrite2 in DOS), the install hangs after the following: Robert Did you write the floppy in _real_ DOS or in a DOS-box in Win9x? Robert Every floppy I've written in a DOS-box so far wrote fine but Robert didn't work, so I strongly recommend booting into real DOS (via Robert F8 when Starting Windows 9x...). Have other people exerienced this? (I've never used Windows = 3.1, so I don't know.) -- Those who do not study Lisp are doomed to reimplement it - Poorly. A few months in the laboratory often saves several hours at the library. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karl M. Hegbloom)
RE: rawrite broken from DOS-box under W98? (Was: Re: thinkpad install prob)
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Karl M. Hegbloom Sent: Saturday, 20 May 2000 4:00 PM To: Robert Waldner Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org; Michael Skipper Subject: rawrite broken from DOS-box under W98? (Was: Re: thinkpad install prob) Have other people exerienced this? (I've never used Windows = 3.1, so I don't know.) It works correctly from the dos box in WIN98 second edition. I wouldn't recommend trying it while you have other application running. Regards ...
Realtime sched and floppy (Was: Re: rawrite broken from DOS-box under W98? (Was: Re: thinkpad install prob))
Richard == Richard Lyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Karl M. Hegbloom Sent: Saturday, 20 May 2000 4:00 PM To: Robert Waldner Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org; Michael Skipper Subject: rawrite broken from DOS-box under W98? (Was: Re: thinkpad install prob) Have other people exerienced this? (I've never used Windows = 3.1, so I don't know.) Richard It works correctly from the dos box in WIN98 second edition. I wouldn't Richard recommend trying it while you have other application running. Linux has similar trouble under certain conditions. I wrote a little program that will set the scheduling policy and priority of a PID, and used it to set the `esd' (enlightened sound daemon) to Round Robin Scheduling with a high priority, so that the music doesn't skip when I switch virtual desktop screens in `sawmill'. With that setting, burning a floppy image with `dd' produces `boot-floppies' root.bin diskettes that fail the CRC check. Resetting the `esd' scheduling policy to the standard setting, I find that diskette images I burn work fine, given the identical image file and diskette. So if you're using POSIX real-time scheduling, don't use the floppy disk. The floppy won't get all of the timeslices it needs, and will be unreliable. -- Those who do not study Lisp are doomed to reimplement it - Poorly. A few months in the laboratory often saves several hours at the library. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karl M. Hegbloom)
Re: thinkpad install prob
Michael Skipper [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I formatted this for submission to the bugs list, but it seems such a basic problem that I suspect it stems from my status as an absolute novice with linux--and so I'm posting here. package: boot floppies version: linux 2.0.36 (kernel-image-2.0.36_2.0.36-3) arch: i386 (pentium I) model: IBM Thinkpad 760EL mem: 48MB card: 3com 3C574TX (16bit 10/100BASE-TX) When I try to boot from the rescue floppy (downloaded from the http://www.debian.org/releases/slink/i386/ ch-install-methods.en.html#s-file-descs area and written to floppy with rawrite2 in DOS), the install hangs after the following: boot: linux floppy=thinkpad Loading root.bin . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Loading linux . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _ (blinking) it should detect hardware at this point, yes? It does not (at least not in an hour or so), and no error messages appear. Sound familiar to anyone? BTW this model TP does not boot from CD Make sure the floppy is okay. Do this by doing a full format in Win/DOS and make sure there are NO bad blocks reported. I remember one install I did where I had to go through three of my floppies before I got one that was clean. Also, try it without the floppy=thinkpad. I've seen some Thinkpads that require that and some that don't. If that doesn't work you could try an alternate rescue disk image. I'm not sure where you got the 2.0.36 one but certainly on ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/slink/main/disks-i386/current there's the resc1440-safe.bin in addition to the standard res1440.bin and I think their based on the 2.1.x series of kernels. You also might consider starting with the Debian potato release instead of slink. Potato's frozen, which means it's release isn't far off, and has been very stable on my ThinkPad 600E and I don't remember any install problems. Good luck, Gary
Re: thinkpad install prob
Michael Skipper [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I try to boot from the rescue floppy (downloaded from the http://www.debian.org/releases/slink/i386/ ch-install-methods.en.html#s-file-descs area and written to floppy with rawrite2 in DOS), the install hangs after the following: Did you write the floppy in _real_ DOS or in a DOS-box in Win9x? Every floppy I've written in a DOS-box so far wrote fine but didn't work, so I strongly recommend booting into real DOS (via F8 when Starting Windows 9x...). hth, rw -- / Robert Waldner [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Phone: +43 1 89933 0 Fax x533 \ \KPNQwest/AT tech staff| Diefenbachg. 35 A-1150 Wien /
Re: thinkpad install
The tecra rescue disk worked fine for me to install on my THinkpad 365XD. I would recommend that it be called something other than 'tecra' since - at least to me - its biggest seeling point is the zImage kernel (at least I think that that is the case). Thanks for such a great distribution, Paul Rightley On 30-Oct-97 Rocky Burt wrote: I'll try that right now Rocky Could the user with the thinkpad problems try the disk in: disks-i386/current/special/tecra/ The testing group was trying to verify problems with the thinkpads and possibly consider special boot disk for them. However, the tester lost access to the thinkpad shortly after posting about the problems. If the tecra patch works, we should probably modify the install instructions. Thanks, Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Trovalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: thinkpad install
[ Sorry I delete these messages too quick, otherwise I would have included part of the message. ] Could the user with the thinkpad problems try the disk in: disks-i386/current/special/tecra/ The testing group was trying to verify problems with the thinkpads and possibly consider special boot disk for them. However, the tester lost access to the thinkpad shortly after posting about the problems. If the tecra patch works, we should probably modify the install instructions. Thanks, Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Trovalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: thinkpad install
I'll try that right now Rocky -Original Message- From: Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian User Mailing List debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Thursday, October 30, 1997 6:47 PM Subject: Re: thinkpad install [ Sorry I delete these messages too quick, otherwise I would have included part of the message. ] Could the user with the thinkpad problems try the disk in: disks-i386/current/special/tecra/ The testing group was trying to verify problems with the thinkpads and possibly consider special boot disk for them. However, the tester lost access to the thinkpad shortly after posting about the problems. If the tecra patch works, we should probably modify the install instructions. Thanks, Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Trovalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: re- thinkpad install
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, the CD-rom access is still not mounted. and I do not know how access it. There does not seem to be a scsi recognized. That seems to be right. I do not remember telling the drivers loaded section of the install there was a WD-7000 SCSI card, The WD-7000 (which does a few different chipsets) seems to be compiled in to the standard Debian kernel. It's just the low-level driver for the hardware anyway. I do not know what mem_base,irq to use in the boot command : Future Domain TMC-8xx/950 tmc8xx=mem_base,irq I can't help you much here. Are there any jumpers on the card? Is there any writing on it describing it? Model numbers of the chips with the most legs could help someone to identify the card too. It might not be supported. :-( Does something like this need to be placed into the lilo.conf file ? If it worked typing (e.g.) boot: linux tmc8xx=0x300,10 you can put and append= in lilo.conf. Previously under my NT 4.0 system I had on this thinkpad the Diagnostics described my cd-rom as :_ FutureDomain 8xxx scsi Is it a PCI device? Does anything relevant show in /proc/pci? How about the BIOS setup, if it's an integrated card? and the cdrom device labeled as :__ IBM CDRM00201 *Any* SCSI CD-ROM should work if the adapter is recognised. scsi CD ROM -- Carey Evans * http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/c.evans/ gc kernel: Warning: possible SYN flooding. Sending cookies. kernel: validated probe(17f, 17f, 11557, 5010, -1645409555) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: re- thinkpad install
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Problem #1 - I cannot access the floppy on the ThinkPad root: linux floppy=thinkpad Were is this referenced in the debian install ? For some reason, the Thinkpad inverts the meaning of some floppy control lines. You always have to put floppy=thinkpad when you boot. The page you get when you press F4 on the install disk lists this. After installing, you can add a line `append=floppy=thinkpad' to your /etc/lilo.conf and rerun LILO, to have this happen automatically. Problem # 2 cannot mount the CD-rom when dselect asks for the block device name what should I give it ? Probably /dev/scd0, for the first SCSI CD-ROM. But first the kernel has to recognise the SCSI interface. The page you get with F5 on the install disk says: Future Domain TMC-8xx/950 tmc8xx=mem_base,irq - is this what you've got? Check the boot messages by typing dmesg | more, and look at the files in /proc, to see what hardware got detected. Unfortunately I don't have any SCSI hardware ATM. I do not think the CD-rom is mounted. How can I ls -la the cdrom ? % mount -t iso9660 -r /dev/scd0 /cdrom % ls -la /cdrom -- Carey Evans * http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/c.evans/ gc kernel: Warning: possible SYN flooding. Sending cookies. kernel: validated probe(17f, 17f, 11557, 5010, -1645409555) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: re- thinkpad install
Thank you very much Carey, your suggestions were very helpfull. Problem : However, the CD-rom access is still not mounted. and I do not know how access it. There does not seem to be a scsi recognized. the dmesg output lists : --- Failed initialization of WD-7000 SCSI card! PPA: unable to initialize controller at 0x378, error 1 scsi : 0 hosts. scsi : detectotal total. --- I do not remember telling the drivers loaded section of the install there was a WD-7000 SCSI card, I only selected the generic scsi drivers . I do not know what mem_base,irq to use in the boot command : Future Domain TMC-8xx/950 tmc8xx=mem_base,irq How do you add another driver to debian ? for example: Future Domain TMC-8xx/950 tmc8xx=mem_base,irq Does something like this need to be placed into the lilo.conf file ? under /proc/scsi/scsi it says:- Attached devices: none under /proc/devices it contains: Character devices: 1 mem 2 pty 3 ttyp 4 ttyS 5 cua 6 lp 7 vcs 10 misc 12 tpqic02 36 netlink Block Devices: 1 ramdisk 2 fd 3 ide0 7 loop 9 md 36 ed Therefore I do not think the CDrom has been recognized. Previously under my NT 4.0 system I had on this thinkpad the Diagnostics described my cd-rom as :_ FutureDomain 8xxx scsi ___ and the cdrom device labeled as :__ IBM CDRM00201 scsi CD ROM scsi port 0 bus # 0 __ Thanks, frank naranjo bi! At 01:13 PM 10/5/97 +1300, Carey Evans wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Problem #1 - I cannot access the floppy on the ThinkPad root: linux floppy=thinkpad Were is this referenced in the debian install ? For some reason, the Thinkpad inverts the meaning of some floppy control lines. You always have to put floppy=thinkpad when you boot. The page you get when you press F4 on the install disk lists this. After installing, you can add a line `append=floppy=thinkpad' to your /etc/lilo.conf and rerun LILO, to have this happen automatically. Problem # 2 cannot mount the CD-rom when dselect asks for the block device name what should I give it ? Probably /dev/scd0, for the first SCSI CD-ROM. But first the kernel has to recognise the SCSI interface. The page you get with F5 on the install disk says: Future Domain TMC-8xx/950 tmc8xx=mem_base,irq - is this what you've got? Check the boot messages by typing dmesg | more, and look at the files in /proc, to see what hardware got detected. Unfortunately I don't have any SCSI hardware ATM. I do not think the CD-rom is mounted. How can I ls -la the cdrom ? % mount -t iso9660 -r /dev/scd0 /cdrom % ls -la /cdrom -- Carey Evans * http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/c.evans/ gc kernel: Warning: possible SYN flooding. Sending cookies. kernel: validated probe(17f, 17f, 11557, 5010, -1645409555) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
re- thinkpad install
I recently loaded Debian on an IBM Thinkpad which has a cradle with a CD-rom thru (I believe) a Future-Domain 8xxx SCSI interface. Essentially new to Linux, ( an OLDd UNIX Sys V developer though) I do not know how to access my floppy, CD-rom or mount the other disk partitions the install created. Problem #1 - I cannot access the floppy on the ThinkPad Whenever I mount /dev/fd0 /floppy the floppy light comes on , but I get: end_request: I/O error, dev 03:00,sector 0 mount: /dev/fd0 in not a valid block device Can ANYONE decipher what this could mean ? is my mount syntax correct ? ( /floppy dir exists it was created by the system ) I could NOT install DEBIAN untill I set the root: linux floppy=thinkpad ^ since installing the kernel before this option it seemed to timeout. When I used this option was only when I was able to get debian installed. I presume the floppy=thinkpad is for some special issues. Were is this referenced in the debian install ? Is there a special flag that are set to mount or access the floppy ? were are they kept ? what are they ? Problem # 2 cannot mount the CD-rom when dselect asks for the block device name what should I give it ? I do not think the CD-rom is mounted. How can I ls -la the cdrom ? thanks, frank naranjo -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
