[SOLVED] Re: replacement for ide-generic in Wheezy?
On 08/08/13 05:39 AM, Gary Dale wrote: The various ide modules (ide-generic, ide-cdrom, etc.) seem to be missing in the Wheezy kernel. However they still compile a 486 kernel so I'm assuming there is some intent to continue to support older hardware. In my case, I have an old laptop that I could run Squeeze on by including ide-generic in the /etc/initramfstool/modules file. However the same thing doesn't work in Wheezy because there is no ide-generic module. Googling around, I found one post that suggested it's been superseded by libata but I can't find that either. Is 486-era hardware still supported in the newer kernels or is this a lost cause? The replacement driver is pata_legacy.ko. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5206ab2b.70...@velcom.ca
replacement for ide-generic in Wheezy?
The various ide modules (ide-generic, ide-cdrom, etc.) seem to be missing in the Wheezy kernel. However they still compile a 486 kernel so I'm assuming there is some intent to continue to support older hardware. In my case, I have an old laptop that I could run Squeeze on by including ide-generic in the /etc/initramfstool/modules file. However the same thing doesn't work in Wheezy because there is no ide-generic module. Googling around, I found one post that suggested it's been superseded by libata but I can't find that either. Is 486-era hardware still supported in the newer kernels or is this a lost cause? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52036764.7080...@velcom.ca
Re: replacement for ide-generic in Wheezy?
Hello Gary, On 08/08/13 11:39, Gary Dale wrote: The various ide modules (ide-generic, ide-cdrom, etc.) seem to be missing in the Wheezy kernel. However they still compile a 486 kernel so I'm assuming there is some intent to continue to support older hardware. In my case, I have an old laptop that I could run Squeeze on by including ide-generic in the /etc/initramfstool/modules file. However the same thing doesn't work in Wheezy because there is no ide-generic module. Googling around, I found one post that suggested it's been superseded by libata but I can't find that either. Is 486-era hardware still supported in the newer kernels or is this a lost cause? I guess that it is still supported by the kernel, but not by the kernel deb package as distributed by debian. You may build your own kernel, and the following link is a good place to start: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org hth, Jerome -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/520372b3.5060...@rezozer.net
Re: replacement for ide-generic in Wheezy?
On 08/08/13 06:28 AM, Jerome BENOIT wrote: Hello Gary, On 08/08/13 11:39, Gary Dale wrote: The various ide modules (ide-generic, ide-cdrom, etc.) seem to be missing in the Wheezy kernel. However they still compile a 486 kernel so I'm assuming there is some intent to continue to support older hardware. In my case, I have an old laptop that I could run Squeeze on by including ide-generic in the /etc/initramfstool/modules file. However the same thing doesn't work in Wheezy because there is no ide-generic module. Googling around, I found one post that suggested it's been superseded by libata but I can't find that either. Is 486-era hardware still supported in the newer kernels or is this a lost cause? I guess that it is still supported by the kernel, but not by the kernel deb package as distributed by debian. You may build your own kernel, and the following link is a good place to start: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org hth, Jerome Thanks. This would be a truly bizarre situation - creating a 486 kernel package for people but omitting the basic hardware drivers for hardware of the that vintage. The basic difference between the 486 and 686 kernels is support for PAE. Pentium processors lack PAE but would generally need the IDE drivers. In my case, I'm talking about Pentium-MMX @ 200MHz, which is far less powerful than a Raspberry Pi but still useful. However the CD-ROM and disk drives of that time need IDE drivers. It wasn't long after that PAE was added (in the Pentium Pro and later). Why would anyone make a 486 kernel and not include the drivers? I could understand, but not agree with, dropping 486 support as some distros have done. But to simply not compile the drivers seems silly. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5203c1ff.3080...@velcom.ca
Re: replacement for ide-generic in Wheezy?
Hi, On 08/08/13 18:06, Gary Dale wrote: On 08/08/13 06:28 AM, Jerome BENOIT wrote: Hello Gary, On 08/08/13 11:39, Gary Dale wrote: The various ide modules (ide-generic, ide-cdrom, etc.) seem to be missing in the Wheezy kernel. However they still compile a 486 kernel so I'm assuming there is some intent to continue to support older hardware. In my case, I have an old laptop that I could run Squeeze on by including ide-generic in the /etc/initramfstool/modules file. However the same thing doesn't work in Wheezy because there is no ide-generic module. Googling around, I found one post that suggested it's been superseded by libata but I can't find that either. Is 486-era hardware still supported in the newer kernels or is this a lost cause? I guess that it is still supported by the kernel, but not by the kernel deb package as distributed by debian. You may build your own kernel, and the following link is a good place to start: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org hth, Jerome Thanks. This would be a truly bizarre situation - creating a 486 kernel package for people but omitting the basic hardware drivers for hardware of the that vintage. The basic difference between the 486 and 686 kernels is support for PAE. Pentium processors lack PAE but would generally need the IDE drivers. In my case, I'm talking about Pentium-MMX @ 200MHz, which is far less powerful than a Raspberry Pi but still useful. However the CD-ROM and disk drives of that time need IDE drivers. It wasn't long after that PAE was added (in the Pentium Pro and later). Why would anyone make a 486 kernel and not include the drivers? I could understand, but not agree with, dropping 486 support as some distros have done. But to simply not compile the drivers seems silly. It is a very good idea to build specific kernels: building a kernel deb package is easy within Debian. For the choice of driver of the distro default, you may ask to the package maintainer. Jerome -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5203c460.4050...@rezozer.net
Re: replacement for ide-generic in Wheezy?
On Thu, Aug 08, 2013 at 12:06:23PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote: On 08/08/13 06:28 AM, Jerome BENOIT wrote: Hello Gary, On 08/08/13 11:39, Gary Dale wrote: The various ide modules (ide-generic, ide-cdrom, etc.) seem to be missing in the Wheezy kernel. However they still compile a 486 kernel so I'm assuming there is some intent to continue to support older hardware. In my case, I have an old laptop that I could run Squeeze on by including ide-generic in the /etc/initramfstool/modules file. However the same thing doesn't work in Wheezy because there is no ide-generic module. Googling around, I found one post that suggested it's been superseded by libata but I can't find that either. Is 486-era hardware still supported in the newer kernels or is this a lost cause? I guess that it is still supported by the kernel, but not by the kernel deb package as distributed by debian. You may build your own kernel, and the following link is a good place to start: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org hth, Jerome Thanks. This would be a truly bizarre situation - creating a 486 kernel package for people but omitting the basic hardware drivers for hardware of the that vintage. The basic difference between the 486 and 686 kernels is support for PAE. Pentium processors lack PAE but would generally need the IDE drivers. In my case, I'm talking about Pentium-MMX @ 200MHz, which is far less powerful than a Raspberry Pi but still useful. However the CD-ROM and disk drives of that time need IDE drivers. It wasn't long after that PAE was added (in the Pentium Pro and later). Why would anyone make a 486 kernel and not include the drivers? I could understand, but not agree with, dropping 486 support as some distros have done. But to simply not compile the drivers seems silly. Newer kernels, as you've mentioned, use libata to interface with Parallel ATA devices (which is what most 486-era drives are). AIUI, this is a new set of code that works both with SATA and PATA drives. Common code means more people use it, less bit-rot etc. If does, however, come with the side effect that /dev/hd* is now /dev/sd* (even if it's not a SCSI disk. I suspect the initial S is now meaningless). If you need to access a drive that's pre-IDE (so MFM, RLL etc), then yes, you'll need the old code. However, the chances are very likely that CONFIG_ATA_GENERIC (aka ata_generic.ko) is the successor you want. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: replacement for ide-generic in Wheezy?
On 08/08/13 12:20 PM, Darac Marjal wrote: On Thu, Aug 08, 2013 at 12:06:23PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote: On 08/08/13 06:28 AM, Jerome BENOIT wrote: Hello Gary, On 08/08/13 11:39, Gary Dale wrote: The various ide modules (ide-generic, ide-cdrom, etc.) seem to be missing in the Wheezy kernel. However they still compile a 486 kernel so I'm assuming there is some intent to continue to support older hardware. In my case, I have an old laptop that I could run Squeeze on by including ide-generic in the /etc/initramfstool/modules file. However the same thing doesn't work in Wheezy because there is no ide-generic module. Googling around, I found one post that suggested it's been superseded by libata but I can't find that either. Is 486-era hardware still supported in the newer kernels or is this a lost cause? I guess that it is still supported by the kernel, but not by the kernel deb package as distributed by debian. You may build your own kernel, and the following link is a good place to start: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org hth, Jerome Thanks. This would be a truly bizarre situation - creating a 486 kernel package for people but omitting the basic hardware drivers for hardware of the that vintage. The basic difference between the 486 and 686 kernels is support for PAE. Pentium processors lack PAE but would generally need the IDE drivers. In my case, I'm talking about Pentium-MMX @ 200MHz, which is far less powerful than a Raspberry Pi but still useful. However the CD-ROM and disk drives of that time need IDE drivers. It wasn't long after that PAE was added (in the Pentium Pro and later). Why would anyone make a 486 kernel and not include the drivers? I could understand, but not agree with, dropping 486 support as some distros have done. But to simply not compile the drivers seems silly. Newer kernels, as you've mentioned, use libata to interface with Parallel ATA devices (which is what most 486-era drives are). AIUI, this is a new set of code that works both with SATA and PATA drives. Common code means more people use it, less bit-rot etc. If does, however, come with the side effect that /dev/hd* is now /dev/sd* (even if it's not a SCSI disk. I suspect the initial S is now meaningless). If you need to access a drive that's pre-IDE (so MFM, RLL etc), then yes, you'll need the old code. However, the chances are very likely that CONFIG_ATA_GENERIC (aka ata_generic.ko) is the successor you want. I found the ata_generic module in Squeeze, Wheezy and Jessie. However, it doesn't seem to help. While I'd expect that it would be in the initramfs, I included it in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules anyway but I still can't boot with the Wheezy kernel. It's presence in Squeeze probably stems from an ongoing attempt to move all IDE code into one module. I'm wondering if someone got a little overzealous in deciding that they'd covered their bases when they removed ide-generic. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52043856.6020...@velcom.ca
Re: replacement for ide-generic in Wheezy?
Hello, On 09/08/13 02:31, Gary Dale wrote: On 08/08/13 12:20 PM, Darac Marjal wrote: On Thu, Aug 08, 2013 at 12:06:23PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote: On 08/08/13 06:28 AM, Jerome BENOIT wrote: Hello Gary, On 08/08/13 11:39, Gary Dale wrote: The various ide modules (ide-generic, ide-cdrom, etc.) seem to be missing in the Wheezy kernel. However they still compile a 486 kernel so I'm assuming there is some intent to continue to support older hardware. In my case, I have an old laptop that I could run Squeeze on by including ide-generic in the /etc/initramfstool/modules file. However the same thing doesn't work in Wheezy because there is no ide-generic module. Googling around, I found one post that suggested it's been superseded by libata but I can't find that either. Is 486-era hardware still supported in the newer kernels or is this a lost cause? I guess that it is still supported by the kernel, but not by the kernel deb package as distributed by debian. You may build your own kernel, and the following link is a good place to start: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org hth, Jerome Thanks. This would be a truly bizarre situation - creating a 486 kernel package for people but omitting the basic hardware drivers for hardware of the that vintage. The basic difference between the 486 and 686 kernels is support for PAE. Pentium processors lack PAE but would generally need the IDE drivers. In my case, I'm talking about Pentium-MMX @ 200MHz, which is far less powerful than a Raspberry Pi but still useful. However the CD-ROM and disk drives of that time need IDE drivers. It wasn't long after that PAE was added (in the Pentium Pro and later). Why would anyone make a 486 kernel and not include the drivers? I could understand, but not agree with, dropping 486 support as some distros have done. But to simply not compile the drivers seems silly. Newer kernels, as you've mentioned, use libata to interface with Parallel ATA devices (which is what most 486-era drives are). AIUI, this is a new set of code that works both with SATA and PATA drives. Common code means more people use it, less bit-rot etc. If does, however, come with the side effect that /dev/hd* is now /dev/sd* (even if it's not a SCSI disk. I suspect the initial S is now meaningless). If you need to access a drive that's pre-IDE (so MFM, RLL etc), then yes, you'll need the old code. However, the chances are very likely that CONFIG_ATA_GENERIC (aka ata_generic.ko) is the successor you want. I found the ata_generic module in Squeeze, Wheezy and Jessie. However, it doesn't seem to help. While I'd expect that it would be in the initramfs, I included it in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules anyway but I still can't boot with the Wheezy kernel. It's presence in Squeeze probably stems from an ongoing attempt to move all IDE code into one module. I'm wondering if someone got a little overzealous in deciding that they'd covered their bases when they removed ide-generic. Just build your own kernel. Jerome -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52046e89.2010...@rezozer.net
