RPM und Debian
Hallo zusammen, kann ich mit Debian auch RPM's installieren ? Gruss, -- ___ C4 Design Stefan Neuser Gutenberg Str. 29 56073 Koblenz Telefon : ++49 - (0)261 - 960 53 50 Mobil: ++49 - (0)179 - 480 98 64 E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet : www.c4design.de ___ -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: RPM und Debian
Am Mittwoch 27 September 2006 14:13 schrieb Stefan Neuser @ C4 Design: Hallo zusammen, kann ich mit Debian auch RPM's installieren ? alien -i /rpm Klaus -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: RPM und Debian
Am Mittwoch 27 September 2006 14:13 schrieb Stefan Neuser @ C4 Design: kann ich mit Debian auch RPM's installieren ? Im Prinzip ja, aber das ist keine gute Idee. Der Debian-Paketmanager weiß dann nämlich nichts davon, das das Paket installiert ist, mit allen entsprechenden Konsequenzen. Besser ist es das Paket mit alien in ein .deb zu verwandeln und zu installieren. Das ist zwar oft auch nicht so toll, weil da in irgendwelche komischen Verzeichnisse installiert wird ... aber immerhin weiß dpkg, das das Paket da ist und was dazu gehört. Gruß Chris -- A: because it distrupts the normal process of thought Q: why is top posting frowned upon
Re: RPM und Debian
Christian Frommeyer schrieb: Am Mittwoch 27 September 2006 14:13 schrieb Stefan Neuser @ C4 Design: kann ich mit Debian auch RPM's installieren ? Im Prinzip ja, aber das ist keine gute Idee. Der Debian-Paketmanager weiß dann nämlich nichts davon, das das Paket installiert ist, mit allen entsprechenden Konsequenzen. Besser ist es das Paket mit alien in ein .deb zu verwandeln Und auf welchem Weg mache ich das? Ich hatte u.a. den Versuch gemacht, die neue Version von Scribus 3.3 als rpm zu installieren (Debian kennt nur 2.5), allerdings erfolglos: irgendwelche Bibliotheken wurden nicht gefunden. Gruss / GW -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: RPM und Debian
Am Mittwoch 27 September 2006 14:34 schrieb G.Wendebourg: Christian Frommeyer schrieb: Besser ist es das Paket mit alien in ein .deb zu verwandeln Und auf welchem Weg mache ich das? aptitude install alien man alien Gruß Chris -- A: because it distrupts the normal process of thought Q: why is top posting frowned upon
Re: RPM und Debian
G.Wendebourg schrieb: Christian Frommeyer schrieb: Am Mittwoch 27 September 2006 14:13 schrieb Stefan Neuser @ C4 Design: kann ich mit Debian auch RPM's installieren ? Im Prinzip ja, aber das ist keine gute Idee. Der Debian-Paketmanager weiß dann nämlich nichts davon, das das Paket installiert ist, mit allen entsprechenden Konsequenzen. Besser ist es das Paket mit alien in ein .deb zu verwandeln Und auf welchem Weg mache ich das? Ich hatte u.a. den Versuch gemacht, die neue Version von Scribus 3.3 als rpm zu installieren (Debian kennt nur 2.5), allerdings erfolglos: irgendwelche Bibliotheken wurden nicht gefunden. Gruss / GW Neu? Das habe ich gefunden, besser kann man es nicht formulieren: Wenn Du zu Windows gehst und Dateien speichern willst, sagt dir der Windows Festplattenchef: Fang einfach vorne bei der Festplatte an und nimm die ersten freien Sektoren. Wenn Dir was im Weg liegt, überspring es und mach an einer anderen Stelle weiter. Wenn Du dann sagst, daß das früher oder später im Chaos endet, so sagt der: Wir stellen jedes Wochenende ein paar Leute ein, die alles Aufräumen. Kunde bezahlt. Wenn Du zu Linux gehst, fragt dich der Festplattenverwalter: Wie groß ist die Datei? Und dann sagt er Dir eine Stelle, wo die ganz hinpaßt, wenn es so eine gibt. Oder er zeigt dir die größtmöglichen Stücke falls es nicht in eines paßt. Zitet aus: http://www.pc-erfahrung.de/Index.html?linux_faq.html Grusz -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: RPM und Debian
Moin, On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 02:34:28PM +0200, G.Wendebourg wrote: [...] Und auf welchem Weg mache ich das? siehe vorherige Mails und man alien ... danach evtl. noch man dpkg Ich hatte u.a. den Versuch gemacht, die neue Version von Scribus 3.3 als rpm zu installieren (Debian kennt nur 2.5), allerdings erfolglos: irgendwelche Bibliotheken wurden nicht gefunden. Dann musst Du halt sehen, dass Du diese Bibliotheken in exakt den noetigen Versionen auch noch bekommst, sei es aus einer debian distri oder aus mittels alien gebauten debs. Gruss -- hgb -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: RPM und Debian
Max Muxe schrieb: G.Wendebourg schrieb: Christian Frommeyer schrieb: Am Mittwoch 27 September 2006 14:13 schrieb Stefan Neuser @ C4 Design: kann ich mit Debian auch RPM's installieren ? Im Prinzip ja, aber das ist keine gute Idee. Der Debian-Paketmanager weiß dann nämlich nichts davon, das das Paket installiert ist, mit allen entsprechenden Konsequenzen. Besser ist es das Paket mit alien in ein .deb zu verwandeln Und auf welchem Weg mache ich das? Ich hatte u.a. den Versuch gemacht, die neue Version von Scribus 3.3 als rpm zu installieren (Debian kennt nur 2.5), allerdings erfolglos: irgendwelche Bibliotheken wurden nicht gefunden. Gruss / GW Neu? Das habe ich gefunden, besser kann man es nicht formulieren: Wenn Du zu Windows gehst und Dateien speichern willst, sagt dir der Windows Festplattenchef: Fang einfach vorne bei der Festplatte an und nimm die ersten freien Sektoren. Wenn Dir was im Weg liegt, überspring es und mach an einer anderen Stelle weiter. Wenn Du dann sagst, daß das früher oder später im Chaos endet, so sagt der: Wir stellen jedes Wochenende ein paar Leute ein, die alles Aufräumen. Kunde bezahlt. Wenn Du zu Linux gehst, fragt dich der Festplattenverwalter: Wie groß ist die Datei? Und dann sagt er Dir eine Stelle, wo die ganz hinpaßt, wenn es so eine gibt. Oder er zeigt dir die größtmöglichen Stücke falls es nicht in eines paßt. Zitet aus: http://www.pc-erfahrung.de/Index.html?linux_faq.html Grusz Sorry, ich habe den Thread verwechselt. -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: RPM und Debian
Am Mittwoch 27 September 2006 15:28 schrieb Hans-Georg Bork: Moin, On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 02:34:28PM +0200, G.Wendebourg wrote: [...] Und auf welchem Weg mache ich das? Vielleicht hilft dir das weiter: http://docs.scribus.net/index.php?lang=depage=topten http://wiki.scribus.net/index.php/Hauptseite Es gibt auch eine Mailinglist zu Scribus, ich hab' die Adresse aber nicht. Gruß Klaus
Scribus / Re: RPM und Debian
Leider gibt es die aktuelle Scribus-Version 1.3.3 bisher nur fuer Windows und Suse aber nicht fuer Debian, sondern hier nur die alte 1.25, der wesentliche Features fehlen. Gibt es eine Chance, irgendwo ein Debian-Paket der neuen Version zu finden? Ich weiss: man kann kompilieren. War jedoch - da ich mich nicht als Entwickler sehe - immer mit unabsehbarem Aufwand und Scheitern in ca. 50% der Faelle verbunden und nach dieser Erfahrung nur ratsam, wenn man die Musse dafuer aufbringen kann. Gruss / GW Klaus Becker schrieb: Am Mittwoch 27 September 2006 15:28 schrieb Hans-Georg Bork: Moin, On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 02:34:28PM +0200, G.Wendebourg wrote: [...] Und auf welchem Weg mache ich das? Vielleicht hilft dir das weiter: http://docs.scribus.net/index.php?lang=depage=topten http://wiki.scribus.net/index.php/Hauptseite Es gibt auch eine Mailinglist zu Scribus, ich hab' die Adresse aber nicht. Gruß Klaus -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Scribus / Re: RPM und Debian
Am Mittwoch 27 September 2006 17:32 schrieb G.Wendebourg: Ich weiss: man kann kompilieren. War jedoch - da ich mich nicht als Entwickler sehe - immer mit Hmm, vielleicht solltest Du dann nicht die Entwicklerversion verwenden? SCNR Chris -- A: because it distrupts the normal process of thought Q: why is top posting frowned upon -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Scribus / Re: RPM und Debian
On 27.09.06 17:32:04, G.Wendebourg wrote: Leider gibt es die aktuelle Scribus-Version 1.3.3 bisher nur fuer Windows und Suse aber nicht fuer Debian, sondern hier nur die alte 1.25, der wesentliche Features fehlen. Gibt es eine Chance, irgendwo ein Debian-Paket der neuen Version zu finden? alien -i suse-packet vllt.? Ansonsten: apt-get source scribus und den 1.2.5er Quellcode von Scribus (alles ausser dem Debian Verzeichnis) durch den 1.3.3er ersetzen. Eventuelle Patches anpassen und das ganze mit dpkg-buildpackage bauen. Ich weiss: man kann kompilieren. War jedoch - da ich mich nicht als Entwickler sehe - immer mit unabsehbarem Aufwand und Scheitern in ca. 50% der Faelle verbunden und nach dieser Erfahrung nur ratsam, wenn man die Musse dafuer aufbringen kann. Ist Scribus kein autotools-Projekt? Auch wenn autotools nicht gerade angenehm zu benutzen sind, so ist das kompilieren eines solchen Projektes i.A. kein Problem. Ansonsten: Kontaktiere dnenDebian und den Upstream Maintainer und frag nach wo das Problem liegt. Achja und das naechste Mal unterlass bitte das ToFu. Andreas -- You will be the last person to buy a Chrysler. -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Scribus / Re: RPM und Debian
G.Wendebourg schrieb: Leider gibt es die aktuelle Scribus-Version 1.3.3 bisher nur fuer Windows und Suse aber nicht fuer Debian, sondern hier nur die alte 1.25, der wesentliche Features fehlen. Gibt es eine Chance, irgendwo ein Debian-Paket der neuen Version zu finden? Warum machst Du es nicht einfach per alien? Dazu hat man Dir ja auch schon etwas gesagt im laufe des Threads! Mach doch einfach in einem Terminal ein: apt-get install alien, sofern es nicht schon bei Dir installiert ist und dann machst Du einfach ein alien Paketname schon hast Du ein *.deb package das Du mit dpkg -i Paketname installieren kannst. Gruß Niels -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Scribus / Re: RPM und Debian
On 27.09.06 17:32:04, G.Wendebourg wrote: Leider gibt es die aktuelle Scribus-Version 1.3.3 bisher nur fuer Windows und Suse aber nicht fuer Debian, sondern hier nur die alte 1.25, der wesentliche Features fehlen. Gibt es eine Chance, irgendwo ein Debian-Paket der neuen Version zu finden? Mist, das kommt davon wenn man die Ausgabe von apt-cache search nicht genau anschaut. Scribus 1.3.3 ist schon laengst in Debian: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/KDE-work/kdevelop.build/pics/toolbarapt-cache policy scribus-ng scribus-ng: Installiert:(keine) Mögliche Pakete:1.3.3.3.dfsg-2 Versions-Tabelle: 1.3.3.3.dfsg-2 0 990 http://debian sid/main Packages 500 http://debian etch/main Packages Das Paket wurde wohl umbenannt da es keine stabile Version (lt. Upstream) darstellt. Also einfach aptitude anwerfen Andreas -- Keep emotionally active. Cater to your favorite neurosis. -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: RPM und Debian
Mittwoch, 27. September 2006 15:10 Uhr, G.Wendebourg schrieb: Christian Frommeyer schrieb: Am Mittwoch 27 September 2006 14:13 schrieb Stefan Neuser @ C4 Design: kann ich mit Debian auch RPM's installieren ? Im Prinzip ja, aber das ist keine gute Idee. Der Debian-Paketmanager weiß dann nämlich nichts davon, das das Paket installiert ist, mit allen entsprechenden Konsequenzen. Besser ist es das Paket mit alien in ein .deb zu verwandeln Und auf welchem Weg mache ich das? Ich hatte u.a. den Versuch gemacht, die neue Version von Scribus 3.3 als rpm zu installieren (Debian kennt nur 2.5), allerdings erfolglos: irgendwelche Bibliotheken wurden nicht gefunden. Gruss / GW Bei meinem Debian Sarge gibts das Paket scribus-ng das anscheinend die Entwicklerversion 3.3 beinhaltet. $ apt-cache search scribus-ng sagt: scribus-ng - Open Source Desktop Page Layout - developmental branch -- Gruß Thomas Linux User #409232 -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: RPM und Debian
On 27.09.06 17:44:28, Thomas Weiss wrote: Mittwoch, 27. September 2006 15:10 Uhr, G.Wendebourg schrieb: Christian Frommeyer schrieb: Am Mittwoch 27 September 2006 14:13 schrieb Stefan Neuser @ C4 Design: kann ich mit Debian auch RPM's installieren ? Im Prinzip ja, aber das ist keine gute Idee. Der Debian-Paketmanager weiß dann nämlich nichts davon, das das Paket installiert ist, mit allen entsprechenden Konsequenzen. Besser ist es das Paket mit alien in ein .deb zu verwandeln Und auf welchem Weg mache ich das? Ich hatte u.a. den Versuch gemacht, die neue Version von Scribus 3.3 als rpm zu installieren (Debian kennt nur 2.5), allerdings erfolglos: irgendwelche Bibliotheken wurden nicht gefunden. Bei meinem Debian Sarge gibts das Paket scribus-ng das anscheinend die Entwicklerversion 3.3 beinhaltet. $ apt-cache search scribus-ng sagt: scribus-ng - Open Source Desktop Page Layout - developmental branch Das kommt dann aber von Backports.org und nicht direkt aus Sarge Andreas -- Better hope the life-inspector doesn't come around while you have your life in such a mess. -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
solution pour installer un paquet .RPM sous Debian ?
Bonjour, Y a t-il une solution pour installer un paquet .RPM sous Debian ? merci antoine -- Pensez à lire la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Pensez à rajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re:solution pour installer un paquet .RPM sous Debian ?
Bonjour, Y a t-il une solution pour installer un paquet .RPM sous Debian ? merci antoine -- Pensez ? lire la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Pensez ? rajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vous pouvez l'utilitaire alien (présent dans les paquets Debian). Jean-Michel Caricand Adresse professionnelle GRETA de Besançon 35 avenue de Montrapon 25000 BESANCON [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.greta-besancon.com Accédez au courrier électronique de La Poste : www.laposte.net ; 3615 LAPOSTENET (0,34/mn) ; tél : 08 92 68 13 50 (0,34/mn)
Re: solution pour installer un paquet .RPM sous Debian ?
Le Samedi, 24 Septembre 2005 13.27, antoine a écrit : Bonjour, Y a t-il une solution pour installer un paquet .RPM sous Debian ? merci antoine Bonjour, oui avec alien apt-get install alien Bonne journée . . . Jo
Re: solution pour installer un paquet .RPM sous Debian ?
Y a t-il une solution pour installer un paquet .RPM sous Debian ? apt-get install alien ** impeccable et merci ! antoine -- Pensez à lire la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Pensez à rajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Using RPM on Debian
I've got some software that I'd like to install on my Debian Sarge box. I can't get it in source, so I can't compile it, and it is only made available in binary form as RMP. What is the best/easiest way to convert an RPM to a Deb? Can I install RMP on my Debian machine, or is there a conversion utility? Thanks, Scott Huey
Re: Using RPM on Debian
Try Alien package converter - Original Message - From: Tim Ruehsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 9:01 PM Subject: Re: Using RPM on Debian What is the best/easiest way to convert an RPM to a Deb? Can I install RMP on my Debian machine, or is there a conversion utility? apt-get install alien man alien Tim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using RPM on Debian
http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/ - Original Message - From: Tim Ruehsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 9:01 PM Subject: Re: Using RPM on Debian What is the best/easiest way to convert an RPM to a Deb? Can I install RMP on my Debian machine, or is there a conversion utility? apt-get install alien man alien Tim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using RPM on Debian
What is the best/easiest way to convert an RPM to a Deb? Can I install RMP on my Debian machine, or is there a conversion utility? apt-get install alien man alien Tim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using RPM on Debian
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Re: Using RPM on Debian
Redefined Horizons wrote: I've got some software that I'd like to install on my Debian Sarge box. I can't get it in source, so I can't compile it, and it is only made available in binary form as RMP. What is the best/easiest way to convert an RPM to a Deb? Can I install RMP on my Debian machine, or is there a conversion utility? Thanks, Scott Huey The 'alien' package can convert rpms to debs for you. See the manpage for more info. HTH, Michael Spang -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rpm packages Debian
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 02:41:08PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have 2 rpm packages that I want to install on a Sarge system. Can someone give me a hint or a link as to how to do that. Michael Hi M, the first rule of DEBIAN club is to use .debs first! so, first have you used : apt-cache search XYZ to see it is in your current repository list. If not, check the debian site to see if it is in another version of debian. If not, ask here if a debian version exists somewhere else! if all else fails, use 'alien'! -Kev PS. there is also a way you can help debian. if you think this software is important to you, you can ask that some debian developer consider making a brand new .deb of this software! It may be something other debian users would want. - -- (__) (oo) /--\/ / ||| * /\---/\ ~~ ~~ Have you mooed today?... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBHF6kAWAAuqdWA9cRAvfMAJwNvxD0u8/UEtWsJf+dM4T+tznb5gCePrd1 n6Y1qG1LVTqEpnye823roEQ= =Kyh0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
rpm packages Debian
I have 2 rpm packages that I want to install on a Sarge system. Can someone give me a hint or a link as to how to do that. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rpm packages Debian
On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 14:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have 2 rpm packages that I want to install on a Sarge system. Can someone give me a hint or a link as to how to do that. Michael Try alien -i filename.rpm signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: rpm packages Debian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have 2 rpm packages that I want to install on a Sarge system. Can someone give me a hint or a link as to how to do that. alien might be able to convert them to .debs for you. pgpieaqieoalo.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: rpm packages Debian
On August 12, 2004 02:41 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have 2 rpm packages that I want to install on a Sarge system. Can someone give me a hint or a link as to how to do that. Michael You can convert them to debs using alien command and then install the debs: apt-get install alien alient --to-deb *.rpm dpkg -i *.deb Cheers, Peter www.dialore.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re : Porter des rpm sous debian : quelle est la meilleure methode ?
Salut, Je pense qu'avec ces deux documents là, tu ne devrais pas avoir de problèmes. En fait, c'est assez facile de faire un paquet pour quelque chose qu'on a écrit soit même, car la principale difficulté est de maîtriser le Makefile pour le rendre debian compliant. Debian Binary Package Building HOWTO http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/ Guide du nouveau responsable Debian http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ A+ Olivier -- Laboratoire de Mathématiques, Applications et Physique Mathématique d'Orléans UMR 6628 - Université d'Orléans - B.P. 6759 - 45067 Orléans Cedex 2 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.univ-orleans.fr/SCIENCES/MAPMO/membres/garet/
Re: rpm and Debian
Rick wrote: Can I use rpm command to access deb DB? rpm is available in the Debian package of the same name (rpm). However, any packages you install with the rpm command will not be managed by the Debian package management system. .deb is the native package format of a Debian system. You can attempt to convert .rpm packages to .deb packages using the tools available in the alien package. However, conversion will not always be successful and may not produce the results you expect. It is best to install software on your Debian system from .deb packages. If you can not locate a .deb package for the software you wish to install in the official Debian repositories [1], you can also try apt-get.org [2] for third-party apt repositories of all types or backports.org [3] for third-party apt repositories for the stable distribution only. If you need assistance configuring your system to install software, feel free to consult the Debian manual [4], search the list archives [5], or ask here on the list. [1] http://packages.debian.org [2] http://apt-get.org [3] http://www.backports.org [4] http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ [5] http://lists.debian.org dircha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rpm and Debian
On Thu, 13 May 2004 00:58:58 -0500 dircha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [1] http://packages.debian.org [2] http://apt-get.org [3] http://www.backports.org [4] http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ [5] http://lists.debian.org Not to forget http://mentors.debian.net You might be able to find packages which are not available at the official repository. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rpm and Debian
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 03:32:57PM -0400, Lee Hanxue wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2004 00:58:58 -0500 dircha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [1] http://packages.debian.org [2] http://apt-get.org [3] http://www.backports.org [4] http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ [5] http://lists.debian.org Not to forget http://mentors.debian.net You might be able to find packages which are not available at the official repository. I would advise against using mentors.debian.net unless you're a Debian developer sponsoring packages, or unless somebody you trust has explicitly pointed you to an individual package there. Packages in the mentors archive are there because they're waiting for a Debian developer to sponsor them into the official archive. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- porter des rpm sous debian - alien : faire des tar ou des .deb ?
Bonjour la liste ! Je dois porter un bon paquet de package rpm vers du debian et je me demande un peu comment faire. Apres etude de la question il s'avere qu'alien correspond bien a mon probleme mais j aimerai avoir votre avis sur la methode operatoire precise : faut il mieux passer par des tar ou par des deb ? Apres avoir essaye avec des deb il s'avere que lors de l installation des packages deb generes il fait un peu n importe quoi, genre il se contente de faire des tar a la racine. Du coup je me suis reporte a l'option -t d'alien (faire des tar) puis apres je decrypte le fichier en .spec pour connaitre les details de l'installation rpm et faire de meme sous ma debian. C'est un poil fastidieux (decryptage de fichier *.spec pas toujours marrant) mais ca a le merite d'etre, je pense, fonctionnel a la fin. Cependant je suis un peu perplexe car je me demande pourquoi alien fait par defaut des .deb si c'est tant la galere... Avez vous des idees, suggestions, remarques ou critiques ? Merci d'avance ! Joseph
Porter des rpm sous debian : quelle est la meilleure methode ?
Bonjour Je me permets de reposter sur ce sujet qui m'interesse particulierement : quelle est selon vous la meilleure facon de porter des rpm sous debian (en vue d'en faire un jour eventuellement des .deb)? Dans un premier temps je me contente de tout installer (via les src.rpm) et pour cela j'utilise alien -t (pour faire des tar), qu'en dites vous ? Merci d'avance Joseph ps : desole d'insister -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: Re : Porter des rpm sous debian : quelle est la meilleure methode ?
Salut Ben en fait je participe (en tant que stagiaire) a un projet qui etait avant base sous Red Hat et qui doit etre porte sous Debian (il s'agit d'Access Grid, www.accessgrid.org, un outil de visioconference et de grid computing). Ce fameux Access Grid n'existe pas pour l'instant en package debian... ++ Joseph On Thu, 13 May 2004 02:11:14 +0200, Edi STOJICEVIC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le 13.05.2004 01:47:42, Joseph a écrit : Bonjour Salut, Je me permets de reposter sur ce sujet qui m'interesse particulierement : quelle est selon vous la meilleure facon de porter des rpm sous debian (en vue d'en faire un jour eventuellement des . deb)? Dans un premier temps je me contente de tout installer (via les src. rpm) et pour cela j'utilise alien -t (pour faire des tar), qu'en dites vous ? Sous Debian, tu as plus de 1 packages !? cela m'étonnerait fortement que tu ne trouves pas ton bonheur là-dedans :-) Merci d'avance De rien Joseph ES -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re : Porter des rpm sous debian : quelle est la meilleure methode ?
Le 13.05.2004 01:47:42, Joseph a écrit : Bonjour Salut, Je me permets de reposter sur ce sujet qui m'interesse particulierement : quelle est selon vous la meilleure facon de porter des rpm sous debian (en vue d'en faire un jour eventuellement des . deb)? Dans un premier temps je me contente de tout installer (via les src. rpm) et pour cela j'utilise alien -t (pour faire des tar), qu'en dites vous ? Sous Debian, tu as plus de 1 packages !? cela m'étonnerait fortement que tu ne trouves pas ton bonheur là-dedans :-) Merci d'avance De rien Joseph ES
Re: how to use rpm in debian
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 11:00:46PM -0400, Mark L. Kahnt wrote: To me, the thought of two separate package databases (Debian, RPM) in use at once makes me shudder, as leaving the room for each to overwrite important files installed by the other. It is why, when I do build software from source, it goes on /opt or /usr/local, and 'alien' gets used when I *must* turn to a .rpm - someday I will learn the details to write the debian/ scripts, strictly grab source when it isn't in the Debian archives, and keep everything kosher. Well, a .deb is just an ar archive with a couple of scripts and a tar file of the program data. Have you seen 'checkinstall'? You can use it to automagically make .debs from uDebianised source trees. Sure, it won't integrate nicely into Debian, but it'll keep dpkg informed of what you're doing... -- Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.ertius.org/ GPG keys: 1024D/1E73B7CD, 4096R/3ABDE5EC | Do I look like I want a CC? Words of the day: computer terrorism 9705 Samford Road bomb Jiang Zemin pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how to use rpm in debian
Joey Hess wrote: Bob Proulx wrote: I install it [Intel compiler] by picking it apart and reassembling because I am a purist. I end up with a clean installation. (If the license allowed it I could make the .debs available. But it does not and so I can't.) Would you be interested in making some alien diffs available so alien could learn how to deal with this particular set of rpms? I have seen a lot of questions by users trying to get them installed on debian lately. I will give it a shot! Expect some questions as I learn the alien patch process. Bob pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how to use rpm in debian
On Mon, 2003-06-23 at 13:03, Bob Proulx wrote: Rob Weir wrote: Mark L. Kahnt wrote: I have this myself, and the installation scripts use 'rpm' to attempt the installation, which on Debian just won't work, period. Not even with The Gross Hack of creating an rpmdb? The Intel C/C++ compiler could be described using exactly the same description used to describe IBM's db2 in the previous messages. I install it by picking it apart and reassembling because I am a purist. I end up with a clean installation. (If the license allowed it I could make the .debs available. But it does not and so I can't.) But I do know at least one individual who does the rpm installation just for that bundle of software. Since it does not state any rpm requires in the bundle it actually works. Scary. But an option. As long as one understands how the rpmdb works and can turn it on and off at will I could compromise and recommend that proceedure. Turn it on for this installation, then turn it off again afterward by moving the rpmdb out of the way until next time. I mention the Intel packages because it is likely that the IBM packages will have some similar problems. At the time someone puts a shell script installer around an installer like rpm it is usually because they want to do bad things and so will be doing bad things. Human nature is almost predictable for some things. It *could* be done by editing the installation scripts to replace 'rpm' with 'alien' for any actual installation calls. While the LSB is a great solution to You could write a script that runs something like: alien -t deb $2 dpkg -i `echo $2|sed -e 's/\.deb$/\.rpm/' And don't forget alien's -i, --install option! :-) Just do it in one step. and drop it in your $PATH so it's run instead of the normal 'rpm'. Or something. I have really thought seriously of trying that. But in the case of the Intel compiler it just uses rpm as a glorified tarball carrier of the files. After installation it munges the files setting paths in them and moving some around. So it won't verify cleanly after an install. Which is very slimy in my book. I would hate to have something in the dpkg database that was not really there since the install shell script munged it or moved it. One important note about alien. I think it is really great and certainly the way to go. But the version in woody has some serious bugs which can keep you from having a good experience with it. I highly recommend pulling the unstable source and backporting it to woody. It backports easy. The latest versions have some very important bug fixes. Even with the newest version, however, I have some issues. But Joey has been very active working on it of late and I think the release for sarge will be in excellent shape. Bob To me, the thought of two separate package databases (Debian, RPM) in use at once makes me shudder, as leaving the room for each to overwrite important files installed by the other. It is why, when I do build software from source, it goes on /opt or /usr/local, and 'alien' gets used when I *must* turn to a .rpm - someday I will learn the details to write the debian/ scripts, strictly grab source when it isn't in the Debian archives, and keep everything kosher. Alternately, I might send IBM the CDs for Woody and some documentation on building .debs (pointers to policy, etc.) with some encouragement that .debs are of significant use on servers and those of us who know better ;) -- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: how to use rpm in debian
On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 11:21:03PM -0400, Mark L. Kahnt wrote: I have this myself, and the installation scripts use 'rpm' to attempt the installation, which on Debian just won't work, period. It *could* be done by editing the installation scripts to replace 'rpm' with 'alien' for any actual installation calls. While the LSB is a great solution to You could write a script that runs something like: alien -t deb $2 dpkg -i `echo $2|sed -e 's/\.deb$/\.rpm/' and drop it in your $PATH so it's run instead of the normal 'rpm'. Or something. -- Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.ertius.org/ GPG keys: 1024D/1E73B7CD, 4096R/3ABDE5EC | Do I look like I want a CC? Words of the day: benelux RSA Elvis Baranyi Panama Saddam Hussein Verisign pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how to use rpm in debian
Rob Weir wrote: Mark L. Kahnt wrote: I have this myself, and the installation scripts use 'rpm' to attempt the installation, which on Debian just won't work, period. Not even with The Gross Hack of creating an rpmdb? The Intel C/C++ compiler could be described using exactly the same description used to describe IBM's db2 in the previous messages. I install it by picking it apart and reassembling because I am a purist. I end up with a clean installation. (If the license allowed it I could make the .debs available. But it does not and so I can't.) But I do know at least one individual who does the rpm installation just for that bundle of software. Since it does not state any rpm requires in the bundle it actually works. Scary. But an option. As long as one understands how the rpmdb works and can turn it on and off at will I could compromise and recommend that proceedure. Turn it on for this installation, then turn it off again afterward by moving the rpmdb out of the way until next time. I mention the Intel packages because it is likely that the IBM packages will have some similar problems. At the time someone puts a shell script installer around an installer like rpm it is usually because they want to do bad things and so will be doing bad things. Human nature is almost predictable for some things. It *could* be done by editing the installation scripts to replace 'rpm' with 'alien' for any actual installation calls. While the LSB is a great solution to You could write a script that runs something like: alien -t deb $2 dpkg -i `echo $2|sed -e 's/\.deb$/\.rpm/' And don't forget alien's -i, --install option! :-) Just do it in one step. and drop it in your $PATH so it's run instead of the normal 'rpm'. Or something. I have really thought seriously of trying that. But in the case of the Intel compiler it just uses rpm as a glorified tarball carrier of the files. After installation it munges the files setting paths in them and moving some around. So it won't verify cleanly after an install. Which is very slimy in my book. I would hate to have something in the dpkg database that was not really there since the install shell script munged it or moved it. One important note about alien. I think it is really great and certainly the way to go. But the version in woody has some serious bugs which can keep you from having a good experience with it. I highly recommend pulling the unstable source and backporting it to woody. It backports easy. The latest versions have some very important bug fixes. Even with the newest version, however, I have some issues. But Joey has been very active working on it of late and I think the release for sarge will be in excellent shape. Bob pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how to use rpm in debian
Rob Weir wrote: On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 11:21:03PM -0400, Mark L. Kahnt wrote: I have this myself, and the installation scripts use 'rpm' to attempt the installation, which on Debian just won't work, period. It *could* be done by editing the installation scripts to replace 'rpm' with 'alien' for any actual installation calls. While the LSB is a great solution to You could write a script that runs something like: alien -t deb $2 dpkg -i `echo $2|sed -e 's/\.deb$/\.rpm/' and drop it in your $PATH so it's run instead of the normal 'rpm'. Or something. ITYM #!/bin/sh PATH=/path/to/real/rpm:$PATH alien $@ May not work for all rpm commands, but it will for -i. -- see shy jo pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how to use rpm in debian
Bob Proulx wrote: Not even with The Gross Hack of creating an rpmdb? The Intel C/C++ compiler could be described using exactly the same description used to describe IBM's db2 in the previous messages. I install it by picking it apart and reassembling because I am a purist. I end up with a clean installation. (If the license allowed it I could make the .debs available. But it does not and so I can't.) Would you be interested in making some alien diffs available so alien could learn how to deal with this particular set of rpms? I have seen a lot of questions by users trying to get them installed on debian lately. /usr/share/doc/alien/gendiff.txt describes the procedure. The diffs include patches to the alien-generated debian/rules file, so you can move the directories in the rpm into the proper locations. I would be very likely to add such a thing to alien if it were submitted. -- see shy jo pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how to use rpm in debian
Mathias Peters wrote: first of all, i'm not subscribed, so please cc me to [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks. Let me suggest including a Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] header in your email so that people responding will automatically be directed to do what you wish? See my message here for an example. Of course I would also specifically request it too just to be sure. There are a lot of poor mailers in use out there. i need to install the db2 v8.1 personal edition on debian. the tar-file i got on ibm.com only produced some rpms that are installed via install-skript, so i can't use alien. does anybody know how to install the rpm package database on debian or how to install db2 somehow else? First I am not familiar at all with db2 from ibm.com. So I can only talk in general terms. Is this free software such that others could help with your install problems? Or is it commercial only? If free then there will be lots of help. If commercial then is there any ability to ask the vendor to support Debian directly? Regardless please ask the vendor to support LSB (Linux Standards Base) compliant packages which support all LSB conforming systems. Standards are a good thing. I always hate it when people put an installer around an installer. That is, install scripts around rpm. It overly complicates things. Creating LSB compliant packages is much better. I have always found it possible to install applications no matter how convoluted their installation might be. I work in the CAD/EDA industry and trust me some vendors have very tangled installation processes. But that means that if the vendor made it hard to install that it will be hard to install. You can't make a silk purse out of a pigs ear. But hard does not mean you can't install it. Please do make the attempt to do so. I think you will find a little effort will be rewarded with a successful installation and you will also be better off by knowing more about the software you are installing. You might have to take the package apart piece by piece and install it by knowing what it is doing inside. This is not terribly difficult. You say it has a script installer. Which means the processes of the script can be debugged. If you look at the installation script can you deduce what it is trying to do and then do those same things yourself? The complexity can vary greatly here. Some scripts are very easy and some are very hard and everything in between exists too. For example, let me guess that the script is deducing the type of system you have and installing with rpm the matching .rpm files. If that is all it is doing then you can alien convert the .rpm files and install them yourself. And there are other possibilities. Sometimes vendor applications which use installer scripts then munge the installed files with the script. They set up /full/install/paths and other such things. By looking at the script can you tell if that is happening here? If so then you can run or replicate that section of the script yourself to finish the installation. Also, I really hate suggesting this, but some people have had _okay_ results by creating an rpm database just for the purpose of installing vendor applications in situations such as yours. I would NEVER do this for core system components such as commands or libraries. But for optional modules which bolt onto the side of your system and have no overlap with anything else on your system then perhaps this is a compromise. But I certainly would not do it blindly as it can really mess up your system. Doing an rpm install in a chroot area is reasonably safe. Then you can see what is installed and transfer that to your real system. If you looked at your .rpm files with 'rpm -pqlv' and 'rpm -pq --scripts' you could deduce what is inside the rpm and make a determination as to whether it overlaps with your system functionality or not. Knowing that one could tell what options might work better than others. These are just general hints. Dig into the problem and please report back to the mailing list your results. With more information I might be able to give more specific suggestions. Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to use rpm in debian
On Sat, 2003-06-21 at 14:49, Bob Proulx wrote: Mathias Peters wrote: i need to install the db2 v8.1 personal edition on debian. the tar-file i got on ibm.com only produced some rpms that are installed via install-skript, so i can't use alien. does anybody know how to install the rpm package database on debian or how to install db2 somehow else? First I am not familiar at all with db2 from ibm.com. So I can only talk in general terms. Is this free software such that others could help with your install problems? Or is it commercial only? If free then there will be lots of help. If commercial then is there any ability to ask the vendor to support Debian directly? DB2 was originally developed for IBM mainframes as their big, mondo powerful database system. With it, they introduced a control language that could access and manipulate data via a near-english syntax called Structured Query Language, or SQL. This format was later copied by numerous other database developers and standardised to be the SQL we have today. It is most definitely not free software - it is one of IBM's cash cows, both for software licenses and support contracts. It is available to consulting partners (third parties who consult on systems or hardware for clients) at reduced or demonstration oriented free-of-charge licenses so that they can be familiar with its functionality - IBM finds that doing that sort of thing helps their sales of the software products, and hopefully the hardware too. Most software vendors of major commercial systems offer similar arrangements. I have this myself, and the installation scripts use 'rpm' to attempt the installation, which on Debian just won't work, period. It *could* be done by editing the installation scripts to replace 'rpm' with 'alien' for any actual installation calls. While the LSB is a great solution to handling this sort of system installation, it stumbles badly on Debian when confronted with installation scripts that explicitly call 'rpm' for the installation. For LSB to properly work in the way that people *envisage* such universal ability to install the software, either a distribution neutral installation command is needed (where on Debian, if it saw an .rpm, it would call 'alien' to do the conversion,) or 'rpm' *someday* should be extended on Debian to support the Debian installation database *as best as possible* given the .rpm limitations. The third option is to clue IBM into the advantages of releasing a .deb edition of their packages, given the position it holds amongst those that *know* Linux. -- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
how to use rpm in debian
hi, first of all, i'm not subscribed, so please cc me to [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks. i need to install the db2 v8.1 personal edition on debian. the tar-file i got on ibm.com only produced some rpms that are installed via install-skript, so i can't use alien. does anybody know how to install the rpm package database on debian or how to install db2 somehow else? thank u -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Como instalo paquetes .rpm en Debian 3.0 (woody) ???
Hola: Jolo escribió: No podes usar rpm en debian; Debian utiliza otro sistema de paquetes (con formato .deb) si queres usar un programa y solo lo tenes como .rpm podes utilizar alien: #alien archivo.rpm eso te genera un paquete archivo-1.deb que despues instalas: #dpkg -i archivo-1.deb Sí se puede usar un paquete rpm en Debian: # apt-cache show rpm Aunque pasará por alto el sistema de paquetes de Debian (con todo lo que ello implica), por eso se recomienda usar alien. para bajar/instalar programas, usa el apt. para usarlo x primera vez, tenes q editar el /etc/apt/sources.list y descomentar las lineas necesarias; despues:#apt-get update para buscar paquetes: #apt-cache search nombredelarchivo y para instalarlo: #apt-get install nombredelarchivo Igual trata de bajarte el webmin de la pagina, tiene un instalador asi q no lo vas a tener q compilar :P Suerte, JoloX Un saludo.
Re: Como instalo paquetes .rpm en Debian 3.0 (woody) ???
Hola: Tony Baldessari escribió: Hola a todos. Quisiera sabre como y con que instalar los paquetes .rpm en Debian 3.0 (Woody). Me baje el .rpm del WebMin y como es la primera vez que uso debian me confunde un poco.. Espero que me den una mano.. Salu2s ¿Y por qué no instalas el paquete .deb del webmin? Un saludo.
Re: Como instalo paquetes .rpm en Debian 3.0 (woody) ???
Tenés razón: NO ES RECOMENDABLE usar rpm en debian; Debian utiliza otro sistema de paquetes (con formato .deb) si queres usar un programa y solo lo tenes como .rpm podes utilizar alien: #alien archivo.rpm eso te genera un paquete archivo-1.deb que despues instalas: #dpkg -i archivo-1.deb JLX El Jue 05 Dic 2002 16:35, Alejandro Pinazo escribió: Hola: Jolo escribió: No podes usar rpm en debian; Debian utiliza otro sistema de paquetes (con formato .deb) si queres usar un programa y solo lo tenes como .rpm podes utilizar alien: #alien archivo.rpm eso te genera un paquete archivo-1.deb que despues instalas: #dpkg -i archivo-1.deb Sí se puede usar un paquete rpm en Debian: # apt-cache show rpm Aunque pasará por alto el sistema de paquetes de Debian (con todo lo que ello implica), por eso se recomienda usar alien. para bajar/instalar programas, usa el apt. para usarlo x primera vez, tenes q editar el /etc/apt/sources.list y descomentar las lineas necesarias; despues:#apt-get update para buscar paquetes: #apt-cache search nombredelarchivo y para instalarlo: #apt-get install nombredelarchivo Igual trata de bajarte el webmin de la pagina, tiene un instalador asi q no lo vas a tener q compilar :P Suerte, JoloX Un saludo. -- Powered by JoloX 0.01 GNU/Linux
Como instalo paquetes .rpm en Debian 3.0 (woody) ???
Hola a todos. Quisiera sabre como y con que instalar los paquetes .rpm en Debian 3.0 (Woody). Me baje el .rpm del WebMin y como es la primera vez que uso debian me confunde un poco.. Espero que me den una mano.. Salu2s
Re: Como instalo paquetes .rpm en Debian 3.0 (woody) ???
El mié, 04 de dic de 2002, a las 05:37:17 -0300, Tony Baldessari dijo: Hola a todos. Hola, Quisiera sabre como y con que instalar los paquetes .rpm en Debian 3.0 (Woody). Me baje el .rpm del WebMin y como es la primera vez que uso debian me confunde un poco.. Espero que me den una mano.. Utiliza el paquete alien alien -d paquete_a_convertir.rpm esto si todo va bien te generara un paquete .deb luego lo instalas normalmente con dpkg -i paquete.deb Ahora lee con atencion un apt-cache search me da un monton de paquetes relacionados a webmin fijate si es lo que tu quieres instalar. Un saludo. -- Juan Ortiz Powered by Debian GNU/Linux Sid
Re: Como instalo paquetes .rpm en Debian 3.0 (woody) ???
No podes usar rpm en debian; Debian utiliza otro sistema de paquetes (con formato .deb) si queres usar un programa y solo lo tenes como .rpm podes utilizar alien: #alien archivo.rpm eso te genera un paquete archivo-1.deb que despues instalas: #dpkg -i archivo-1.deb para bajar/instalar programas, usa el apt. para usarlo x primera vez, tenes q editar el /etc/apt/sources.list y descomentar las lineas necesarias; despues: #apt-get update para buscar paquetes: #apt-cache search nombredelarchivo y para instalarlo: #apt-get install nombredelarchivo Igual trata de bajarte el webmin de la pagina, tiene un instalador asi q no lo vas a tener q compilar :P Suerte, JoloX El Mié 04 Dic 2002 20:37, Tony Baldessari escribió: Hola a todos. Quisiera sabre como y con que instalar los paquetes .rpm en Debian 3.0 (Woody). Me baje el .rpm del WebMin y como es la primera vez que uso debian me confunde un poco.. Espero que me den una mano.. Salu2s -- Powered by JoloX 0.01 GNU/Linux
Re: Como instalo paquetes .rpm en Debian 3.0 (woody) ???
Tony Baldessari wrote: Hola a todos. Quisiera sabre como y con que instalar los paquetes .rpm en Debian 3.0 (Woody). Me baje el .rpm del WebMin y como es la primera vez que uso debian me confunde un poco.. Espero que me den una mano.. Salu2s Y, ¿para qué bajaste el rpm si Webmin existe como paquete en Debian? Hay un paquete que se llama rpm, justamente es para instalar rpm, pero mejor es usar alien para mantener bajo control la estructura de paquetes -- Héctor Andrés Rompato Carricart [EMAIL PROTECTED] COVIARES/COVIMET Departamento de equipos de peaje Av. España y Autopista, Quilmes (1878) Buenos Aires, Argentina
Re: Como instalo paquetes .rpm en Debian 3.0 (woody) ???
Hola a tots, el Dimecres 04 Desembre 2002 21:37, Tony Baldessari em va dir: Hola a todos. Quisiera sabre como y con que instalar los paquetes .rpm en Debian 3.0 (Woody). Me baje el .rpm del WebMin y como es la primera vez que uso debian me confunde un poco.. Espero que me den una mano.. Salu2s $ apt-cache show alien # apt-get install alien -- Adri. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] El nazismo se cura leyendo
How can I use RPM in debian - 3.0
Hi, I am trying to install hpbuilder-4.0-1.i386.rpm (trial version) in debian 3.0. When I did 'rpm -ivh hpbuilder-4.0-1.i386.rpm', I get the following message: error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory(2) error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm Seems, db3 package has to be installed? When checked in the debian site, there is only db3-doc package, but not db3. Where can I find it, if necessary, of course? What about /var/lib/rpm? what does it mean? Any pointers would be highly appreciated. And, is there any kit/kits that can convert .rpm file to .deb. I saw one in RPM howto from .deb to .rpm. Thanks. Damar __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RPM no Debian
Pessoal estou tendo dificuldades para instalar um pacote RPM no Debian , sou novo com linux , então estou meio perdido , já muito sobre APT e nada ... como faço para instalar um RPM , existe algum macete ?? Grato Junior BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Junior;Arnaldo;Pellegrino FN:Arnaldo Pellegrino Junior NICKNAME:Junior ADR;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:;;Rua Gal. Lecor, 367=0D=0AIpiranga;S=E3o Paulo;SP;04213-020;Brasil LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:Rua Gal. Lecor, 367=0D=0AIpiranga=0D=0AS=E3o Paulo, SP 04213-020=0D=0ABrasil X-WAB-GENDER:2 BDAY:20020502 EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] EMAIL;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20020423T151853Z END:VCARD
Re: RPM no Debian
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:18:53 -0300 Arnaldo Pellegrino Junior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pessoal estou tendo dificuldades para instalar um pacote RPM no Debian , sou novo com linux , então estou meio perdido , já muito sobre APT e nada ... como faço para instalar um RPM , existe algum macete ?? Grato Junior Deve instalar o alien para fazer a conversao. apt-get install alien -- Christiano Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian-rs.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RPM no Debian
Amigos , grato pela ajuda ao executar o comando apt-get install alien obtive a seguinte mensagem : Reading Package Lists... Building Dependency Tree... Package alien has no available version, but exists in the database. This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents of sources.list Ao meu ver parece que minha versão do ALIEN está desatualizada , se for isso como procedo para atualizar ... onde encontro este aplicativo ... O que devo fazer neste caso , desculpem se estou sendo repetitivo , mas sou novato no mundo Linux. agradeço a atenção Junior - Original Message - From: Christiano Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 1:26 PM Subject: Re: RPM no Debian On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:18:53 -0300 Arnaldo Pellegrino Junior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pessoal estou tendo dificuldades para instalar um pacote RPM no Debian , sou novo com linux , então estou meio perdido , já muito sobre APT e nada ... como faço para instalar um RPM , existe algum macete ?? Grato Junior Deve instalar o alien para fazer a conversao. apt-get install alien -- Christiano Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian-rs.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RPM no Debian
Arnaldo Voce pode muito bem instalar o RPM em seu Debian para que possa instalar pacotes RPM. Para isso, digite como root em seu Linux, apt-get install rpm e pronto. Depois, eh soh baixar o pacote rpm e instala-lo digitando rpm -ivh pacote.rpm Rogerio Acquadro On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Arnaldo Pellegrino Junior wrote: Pessoal estou tendo dificuldades para instalar um pacote RPM no Debian , sou novo com linux , então estou meio perdido , já muito sobre APT e nada ... como faço para instalar um RPM , existe algum macete ?? Grato Junior -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RPM no Debian
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:08:04 -0300 (BRT) Rogerio Acquadro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arnaldo Voce pode muito bem instalar o RPM em seu Debian para que possa instalar pacotes RPM. Para isso, digite como root em seu Linux, apt-get install rpm e pronto. Depois, eh soh baixar o pacote rpm e instala-lo digitando rpm -ivh pacote.rpm Rogerio, Concordo que tua sugestao eh possivel, mas para que instalar um pacote RPM no Debian se tu podes converte-lo ao formato .deb? Eh muito melhor utilizar a base propria do Debian do que criar inconsistencia no sistema mesclando .deb com .rpm. Instalando os .deb, mantem os mesmos padroes. Alem disto, a RedHat utiliza padroes diferentes de diretorios para armazenar libs e executaveis, instalando no /usr/local/* alguns pacotes, onde no Debian fica no /usr/*. Se eu nao me engano, o alien contorna este tipo de problema (nao tenho certeza se realmente faz isto). Eh so uma sugestao minha para deixar o sistema no mesmo padrao! :-) Abracos Christiano Anderson -- Christiano Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian-rs.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RPM no Debian
Amigos , grato pela ajuda ao executar o comando apt-get install alien obtive a seguinte mensagem : Reading Package Lists... Building Dependency Tree... Package alien has no available version, but exists in the database. This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents of sources.list Ao meu ver parece que minha versão do ALIEN está desatualizada , se for isso como procedo para atualizar ... onde encontro este aplicativo ... Arnaldo, Tenta um apt-get update, depois um apt-get install alien Abracos, Christiano Anderson -- Christiano Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian-rs.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RPM no Debian
Em Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:18:53 -0300, Arnaldo Pellegrino Junior [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: Pessoal estou tendo dificuldades para instalar um pacote RPM no Debian , sou novo com linux , então estou meio perdido , já muito sobre APT e nada ... como faço para instalar um RPM , existe algum macete ?? o que você quer com rpms? instale .debs... tem deb de quase tudo que é útil e bom você pode converter rpms pra debs com o 'alien' ou instalar rpms com 'rpm', mas pra quê? o que significa 'já muito sobre APT'? dá uma olhada nos documentos sobre apt e o guia prático na seção documentação do Debian-BR []s! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gustavo Noronha http://people.debian.org/~kov Debian: http://www.debian.org * http://debian-br.cipsga.org.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RPM no Debian
On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 12:18:53PM -0300, Arnaldo Pellegrino Junior wrote: Pessoal estou tendo dificuldades para instalar um pacote RPM no Debian , sou novo com linux , então estou meio perdido , já muito sobre APT e nada ... como faço para instalar um RPM , existe algum macete ?? Grato Junior apt-get install alien man alien -- vmaida -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RPM no Debian
CaroArnaldo Para isso você necessita de conversor de arquivos rpm deb ou Tar.gz . O alien que vem no Cd 1 do Debian Potato provavelmente irá resolver seu problema. - Original Message - From: Arnaldo Pellegrino Junior To: debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 12:18 PM Subject: RPM no Debian Quer ter seu próprio endereço na Internet?Garanta já o seu e ainda ganhe cinco e-mails personalizados.DomíniosBOL - http://dominios.bol.com.br Pessoal estou tendo dificuldades para instalar um pacote RPM no Debian , sou novo com linux , então estou meio perdido , já muito sobre APT e nada ... como faço para instalar um RPM , existe algum macete ?? Grato Junior
Re: using RHL 7's rpm in debian 2.2r2
Joey Hess wrote: Johann Spies wrote: Two complications: 1. Potato's alien would not translate RHL 7's rpm's to debian. You need one from woody and that will require libc6 2.2 as far as I know. No version of rpm in debian can handle red hat 7 rpms. Updates to a version of rpm that can are stalled until we get db3 into debian. Of course you can always install alien (and alien-extra) onto a red hat 7 box and do the conversion there.. 2. Your dependencies may create a lot of problems. You may try alien for smaller packages which are not available in Debian, but I would not try it with something like XF 4.0.1. Me neither. To quote myself in the man page: Alien should not be used to replace important system pack- ages, like init, libc, or other things that are essential for the functioning of your system. Many of these packages are set up differently by the different distributions, and packages from the different distributions cannot be used interchangeably. In general, if you can't remove a package without breaking your system, don't try to replace it with an alien version. You would be better off by using apt-get source and get sources from testing or unstable, compiling them to debian packages and install them on potato if you want to use newer versions. I belive that x4 debs are available backported to stable, though I don't have an apt source offhand. people.d.o/~cpbotha/ Regards, Joey -- The good thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from. -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum
using RHL 7's rpm in debian 2.2r2
Hi all, I have been a longtime user of RedHat and installed Debian 2.2r2 today. I have a few queries- 1. I have a dial-up connection so its not possible for me to d/l huge binaries. I have the RHL 7 cd, n it has XFree86 4.0.1.rpm, can i use this 2 install Xf 4.0.1 on my debian box ? 2. I have a sources for kernel 2.4.2, can i safely compile them on debian? thanx -Ankit
Re: using RHL 7's rpm in debian 2.2r2
no to the rpm of xfree. i mean, i suppose you technicaly could try it with alien... but in no way would i suggest it. kernels are kernels. as long as you have the libs to compile them. -- Forrest English http://truffula.net When we have nothing left to give There will be no reason for us to live But when we have nothing left to lose You will have nothing left to use -Fugazi On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Ankit Jain wrote: Hi all, I have been a longtime user of RedHat and installed Debian 2.2r2 today. I have a few queries- 1. I have a dial-up connection so its not possible for me to d/l huge binaries. I have the RHL 7 cd, n it has XFree86 4.0.1.rpm, can i use this 2 install Xf 4.0.1 on my debian box ? 2. I have a sources for kernel 2.4.2, can i safely compile them on debian? thanx -Ankit -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: using RHL 7's rpm in debian 2.2r2
Is 'no to rpms' a general rule i shud follow or is it just with 'some' packages? -anks - Original Message - From: Forrest English [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ankit Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 12:57 AM Subject: Re: using RHL 7's rpm in debian 2.2r2 no to the rpm of xfree. i mean, i suppose you technicaly could try it with alien... but in no way would i suggest it. kernels are kernels. as long as you have the libs to compile them. -- Forrest English http://truffula.net When we have nothing left to give There will be no reason for us to live But when we have nothing left to lose You will have nothing left to use -Fugazi
Re: using RHL 7's rpm in debian 2.2r2
Ankit Jain wrote: Is 'no to rpms' a general rule i shud follow or is it just with 'some' packages? It is not a rule, but if you want to keep your system oand config files in good shape, it is better to use the deb packages as they provide the right dependencies for packages to follow. You still can install them with alien, but it is not advised because some information needed by dpkg is not provided and will leave the database of the software installed not in the best shape ... If you don care about the system being in a good state, just do what ever you want, install rpm, tar.gz - but you leave the system in inconsistent shape. kernel for example should be build with make-kpkg (provided by kernel-package) You should at least convert the rpm with alien to a deb (I think that is what it does :)) Ciao, mattHias -- __ _ __ * /\_/\ \ \_/ \_/ / * Matthias Wieser * / \ \ /* ICQ#: 12597522 * / /\_/\ \ \_/^\_/ *[EMAIL PROTECTED] * WW WW *
Re: using RHL 7's rpm in debian 2.2r2
If i use src.tgz files to install somethin, say licq, then the 'database of s/w installed' will not have ne details on 'licq' .. right? Is there any way i can 'inform' the 'database' of existence of 'licq' or is it fine the way it is? -anks
Re: using RHL 7's rpm in debian 2.2r2
well... since debian doesn't USE rpms... using rpms via conversion with alien is only for last resort. you'd be much better of with debs or source or binaries. -- Forrest English http://truffula.net When we have nothing left to give There will be no reason for us to live But when we have nothing left to lose You will have nothing left to use -Fugazi On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Ankit Jain wrote: Is 'no to rpms' a general rule i shud follow or is it just with 'some' packages? -anks - Original Message - From: Forrest English [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ankit Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 12:57 AM Subject: Re: using RHL 7's rpm in debian 2.2r2 no to the rpm of xfree. i mean, i suppose you technicaly could try it with alien... but in no way would i suggest it. kernels are kernels. as long as you have the libs to compile them. -- Forrest English http://truffula.net When we have nothing left to give There will be no reason for us to live But when we have nothing left to lose You will have nothing left to use -Fugazi
Re: using RHL 7's rpm in debian 2.2r2
On Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 01:10:35AM +0530, Ankit Jain wrote: | If i use src.tgz files to install somethin, say licq, then the 'database of | s/w installed' will not have ne details on 'licq' .. right? Is there any way | i can 'inform' the 'database' of existence of 'licq' or is it fine the way | it is? You can inform the database by installing a .deb package. The system is fine (assuming it compiled properly, and isn't horridly buggy), but the package database won't know it exists and won't know what it depends on, and won't know what files belong to it, etc. It's a maintenance decision. The debian package system makes system maintenace much easier by keeping track of the packages you have. If licq needs, say, Qt (I don't know, I don't use it) and you installed it from the tarball, dpkg won't stop you from happily removing Qt. However, licq won't work any more. If you install from anything other than properly made .deb packages, it becomes your responsibility to keep track of files and dependencies. I would recommend sticking with .deb packages, and finding some way to acquire them. Perhaps you can wait until the next stable release, then get CDs from somewhere? Maybe you can access a computer with a faster/cheaper net connection and use some removable media to transfer the new packages? -D
Re: using RHL 7's rpm in debian 2.2r2
On Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 12:48:33AM +0530, Ankit Jain wrote: I have been a longtime user of RedHat and installed Debian 2.2r2 today. I have a few queries- 1. I have a dial-up connection so its not possible for me to d/l huge binaries. I have the RHL 7 cd, n it has XFree86 4.0.1.rpm, can i use this 2 install Xf 4.0.1 on my debian box ? Two complications: 1. Potato's alien would not translate RHL 7's rpm's to debian. You need one from woody and that will require libc6 2.2 as far as I know. 2. Your dependencies may create a lot of problems. You may try alien for smaller packages which are not available in Debian, but I would not try it with something like XF 4.0.1. You would be better off by using apt-get source and get sources from testing or unstable, compiling them to debian packages and install them on potato if you want to use newer versions. Regards. Johann -- J.H. Spies - Tel. 082 782 0336. Posbus 4668, Tygervallei 7536 The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters, he restoreth my soul...Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.Psalms 23:1,2,6
Re: using RHL 7's rpm in debian 2.2r2
Johann Spies wrote: Two complications: 1. Potato's alien would not translate RHL 7's rpm's to debian. You need one from woody and that will require libc6 2.2 as far as I know. No version of rpm in debian can handle red hat 7 rpms. Updates to a version of rpm that can are stalled until we get db3 into debian. Of course you can always install alien (and alien-extra) onto a red hat 7 box and do the conversion there.. 2. Your dependencies may create a lot of problems. You may try alien for smaller packages which are not available in Debian, but I would not try it with something like XF 4.0.1. Me neither. To quote myself in the man page: Alien should not be used to replace important system pack- ages, like init, libc, or other things that are essential for the functioning of your system. Many of these packages are set up differently by the different distributions, and packages from the different distributions cannot be used interchangeably. In general, if you can't remove a package without breaking your system, don't try to replace it with an alien version. You would be better off by using apt-get source and get sources from testing or unstable, compiling them to debian packages and install them on potato if you want to use newer versions. I belive that x4 debs are available backported to stable, though I don't have an apt source offhand. -- see shy jo
Re: RPM vs. Debian package format
dkphoto wrote: You can find out how robust (and picky) debs are by packaging something. A couple weeks and a couple hundred pages of developer docs later, you'll appreciate what goes into a deb. The alien command will convert between rpms and debs and you can compare the results. Would someone mind explaining to me just what a deb is? TIA David Kachel A deb is a Debian package file (filename ends in .deb). It contains the program(s) you're installing, along with instructions to dpkg about how to install it and where to install it and how to configure it and what questions to ask of the sys admin, etc. An RPM is a Redhat package file (filename ends in .rpm). It does more-or-less the same for Redhat that a deb does for Debian, but not as cleanly/well-implemented.
Re: RPM vs. Debian package format
You can find out how robust (and picky) debs are by packaging something. A couple weeks and a couple hundred pages of developer docs later, you'll appreciate what goes into a deb. The alien command will convert between rpms and debs and you can compare the results. Would someone mind explaining to me just what a deb is? TIA David Kachel
Re: RPM on Debian
Urban Gabor wrote: someone has mentioned in these lists that installing alien packages from .rpm can be dangerous. I'd like to know more about it, so please write some pro's and con's. PRO: - You get access to non-Debian-packaged stuff. CON: - The package isn't configured for a Debian system. From past experiences, Apache, MySQL and SAMBA headers files are not at the same place from distribution to distribution. Although this example is unlikely to affect bianry packages, things can get worse quite easily. Think of a few major libs misplaced, or misconfigured, and your riding. Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 947212
RPM on Debian
Hi, someone has mentioned in these lists that installing alien packages from .rpm can be dangerous. I'd like to know more about it, so please write some pro's and con's. Gabor Urban --- Lufthansa Systems Hungaria KfT mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel : (36)-1-431-2949 Fax :(36)-1-431-2977 I am not a cat to play with the mouse.
Re: RPM on Debian
Urban Gabor wrote: someone has mentioned in these lists that installing alien packages from .rpm can be dangerous. I'd like to know more about it, so please write some pro's and con's. Installing alien packages from rpm can be dangerous if the converted rpm contains files that are critical to the system, like libc or init. dpkg has allow overwrite on by default and will overwrite the files provided by debian by the ones in the rpm. As the man page says: Alien does not account for differences in configuration between different linux distributions. So don't use it to replace something essential like sysvinit. You could destroy your system by doing so. In general, if you can't uninstall the package without breaking your system, don't try to replace it with an alien version. -- see shy jo, alien maintainer
Re: RPM on Debian
On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Joey Hess wrote: Urban Gabor wrote: someone has mentioned in these lists that installing alien packages from .rpm can be dangerous. I'd like to know more about it, so please write some pro's and con's. Installing alien packages from rpm can be dangerous if the converted rpm contains files that are critical to the system, like libc or init. dpkg has allow overwrite on by default and will overwrite the files provided by debian by the ones in the rpm. As the man page says: Alien does not account for differences in configuration between different linux distributions. So don't use it to replace something essential like sysvinit. You could destroy your system by doing so. In general, if you can't uninstall the package without breaking your system, don't try to replace it with an alien version. RPM has a nice feature which might be helpful here. 'rpm -qpl packagename.rpm' will list all the files in the package and the directories into which they will be installed. This is equivalent to 'dpkg -c'. Bob
Re: RPM under Debian?
Mitch Blevins wrote:
Jernej Zajc wrote:
Call me a silly fool, but I cannot but wonder would it be possible
to make a pkg mgmt program (drpm :-)) that would install RPM
packages from their native format and put the installed files' and
dependencies info in the deb database?
Any dpkg developers willing to comment the idea?
#!/bin/bash
# drpm - program to install RPM and DEB packages from their
# native format and put the installed files and dependencies
# info in the deb database
# (also does Stampede packages)
#
# usage: drpm packagefile [packagefile] ..
for filename in $@; do
case ${filename} in
*.rpm|*.slp ) alien --install ${filename} ;;
*.deb ) dpkg --install ${filename} ;;
* ) echo Huh? ;;
esac
done
# end drpm
The above script does what you want (in a limited way).
The issue is not compatibility of the formats, but rather compatibility
of the contained programs and their file locations.
Example:
foo.deb - keeps config file in /etc/foo.conf
foo.rpm - keeps config file in /usr/some/other/location/foo.conf
bar.deb - depends on foo.deb
Has a post-install script that parses the information in foo.conf
and fails miserably to find the file from the converted RPM.
Requiring the maintainer of a Debian package to be compatible with not only
the relevant deb files, but also with any possible rpm (Official or not) that
may be floating out on the web would be intractable.
Debian is able to do some amazing things because the packages can depend
on other packages conforming to Debian policy and conventions.
Have you played with apache and its modules on Debian? Great stuff!
You can drop the mod-perl deb on top of the apache deb and it reconfigures
itself almost as if by magic.
Developers are now working on configuration tools and the ability to
administer multiple machines centrally. This would not be possible if
it had to support foreign packaging systems and their non-Debian-aware
install scripts. We should not hold back progress of our distribution
to accomodate less-advanced formats especially when Debian has the
most packages availble compared to any other distro.
-Mitch
Now I get the idea. It is virtually impossible for RPM support
to be implemented in a manner that would work w/o problems.
I was wondering about RPM since some people suggested that RPM
support could (will, some said) play a key role as a selection
criterion in competition among Linux distros. I wouldn't bother
about this, at least not much, but Eric S. Raymond said this, so
I looked at it again.
Jernej
Re: RPM under Debian?
Mitch Blevins wrote: In foo.debian-user, you wrote: Hello, this is Linux newbie and just-heard-about-Debian asking: is there support for RPM package management under Debian? The website doesn't meantion it, not even for the upcoming 2.1 release. Did I miss something? Debian provides different levels of rpm support. 1) The rpm program is available as a Debian package, and it can install/uninstall rpms. This method of use is not advised, however. RPM keeps a database of which packages are installed and uses this database to determine if the required dependencies for a given package are available. Since the RPM database cannot read the database of the native Debian package manager (dpkg) it will not work as desired. You can cause serious problems for your system by trying to use two different package managers actively. 2) You can use the 'alien' program, supplied as a debian package, to convert rpms to debs. Then you can use dpkg to install the package, and still have the advantage of a single database of installed packages. This works well for non-system-critical packages and packages without alot of complex dependencies... but you are just asking for trouble if you install (for instance) gnome as a converted alien package. Of course the best alternative is to install a native deb if available. -Mitch Call me a silly fool, but I cannot but wonder would it be possible to make a pkg mgmt program (drpm :-)) that would install RPM packages from their native format and put the installed files' and dependencies info in the deb database? Any dpkg developers willing to comment the idea? Jernej
Re: RPM under Debian?
Jerney wrote: Call me a silly fool, but I cannot but wonder would it be possible to make a pkg mgmt program (drpm :-)) that would install RPM packages from their native format and put the installed files' and dependencies info in the deb database? Any dpkg developers willing to comment the idea? I am no dpkg developper, but I'll bite anyway. The program exists and is not called drpm, but alien. The problems are not in reading the package and it's dependency information, the problem is in the organisation of the programs into packages. For example (just an example, I don't know if it is true), RedHat could have a package x11-clients_3.3.2.rpm, and debian a package xbase_3.2-1.deb. Say both contain `xterm'. Now if a third package needs `xterm', it will depend on x11-clients in RedHat, and on xbase in debian. If this is an rpm package, alien will spot that it depends on x11-clients, but this information is near useless, since this package does not exist in debian. Something else that can go wrong is file placement. One distibution might put xterm in /usr/bin, another one could choose /opt/x11/bin. Programs that depend on a certain full pathname can break because of this. Then there may be differences in configuration files. Note that the problems I described are not due to differences in the package format at all. They can arise between Caldera and RedHat as well, although they both use rpm. The fact that there is only one distribution currently using .debs actually protects you from this kind of trouble. HTH, Eric Meijer -- E.L. Meijer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | tel. office +31 40 2472189 Eindhoven Univ. of Technology | tel. lab. +31 40 2475032 Lab. for Catalysis and Inorg. Chem. (TAK) | tel. fax+31 40 2455054
Re: RPM under Debian?
Jernej Zajc wrote:
Mitch Blevins wrote:
[snip]
Debian provides different levels of rpm support.
1) The rpm program is available as a Debian package, and it can
install/uninstall rpms. This method of use is not advised,
however. RPM keeps a database of which packages are installed
and uses this database to determine if the required dependencies
for a given package are available. Since the RPM database
cannot read the database of the native Debian package manager (dpkg)
it will not work as desired. You can cause serious problems for
your system by trying to use two different package managers
actively.
2) You can use the 'alien' program, supplied as a debian package,
to convert rpms to debs. Then you can use dpkg to install the
package, and still have the advantage of a single database of
installed packages.
This works well for non-system-critical packages and packages
without alot of complex dependencies... but you are just asking
for trouble if you install (for instance) gnome as a converted
alien package.
Of course the best alternative is to install a native deb if
available.
-Mitch
Call me a silly fool, but I cannot but wonder would it be possible
to make a pkg mgmt program (drpm :-)) that would install RPM
packages from their native format and put the installed files' and
dependencies info in the deb database?
Any dpkg developers willing to comment the idea?
#!/bin/bash
# drpm - program to install RPM and DEB packages from their
# native format and put the installed files and dependencies
# info in the deb database
# (also does Stampede packages)
#
# usage: drpm packagefile [packagefile] ..
for filename in $@; do
case ${filename} in
*.rpm|*.slp ) alien --install ${filename} ;;
*.deb ) dpkg --install ${filename} ;;
* ) echo Huh? ;;
esac
done
# end drpm
The above script does what you want (in a limited way).
The issue is not compatibility of the formats, but rather compatibility
of the contained programs and their file locations.
Example:
foo.deb - keeps config file in /etc/foo.conf
foo.rpm - keeps config file in /usr/some/other/location/foo.conf
bar.deb - depends on foo.deb
Has a post-install script that parses the information in foo.conf
and fails miserably to find the file from the converted RPM.
Requiring the maintainer of a Debian package to be compatible with not only
the relevant deb files, but also with any possible rpm (Official or not) that
may be floating out on the web would be intractable.
Debian is able to do some amazing things because the packages can depend
on other packages conforming to Debian policy and conventions.
Have you played with apache and its modules on Debian? Great stuff!
You can drop the mod-perl deb on top of the apache deb and it reconfigures
itself almost as if by magic.
Developers are now working on configuration tools and the ability to
administer multiple machines centrally. This would not be possible if
it had to support foreign packaging systems and their non-Debian-aware
install scripts. We should not hold back progress of our distribution
to accomodate less-advanced formats especially when Debian has the
most packages availble compared to any other distro.
-Mitch
RPM under Debian?
Hello, this is Linux newbie and just-heard-about-Debian asking: is there support for RPM package management under Debian? The website doesn't meantion it, not even for the upcoming 2.1 release. Did I miss something? Thanx, Jernej
Re: RPM under Debian?
In foo.debian-user, you wrote: Hello, this is Linux newbie and just-heard-about-Debian asking: is there support for RPM package management under Debian? The website doesn't meantion it, not even for the upcoming 2.1 release. Did I miss something? Debian provides different levels of rpm support. 1) The rpm program is available as a Debian package, and it can install/uninstall rpms. This method of use is not advised, however. RPM keeps a database of which packages are installed and uses this database to determine if the required dependencies for a given package are available. Since the RPM database cannot read the database of the native Debian package manager (dpkg) it will not work as desired. You can cause serious problems for your system by trying to use two different package managers actively. 2) You can use the 'alien' program, supplied as a debian package, to convert rpms to debs. Then you can use dpkg to install the package, and still have the advantage of a single database of installed packages. This works well for non-system-critical packages and packages without alot of complex dependencies... but you are just asking for trouble if you install (for instance) gnome as a converted alien package. Of course the best alternative is to install a native deb if available. -Mitch
Re: RPM under Debian?
Jernej Zajc [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: this is Linux newbie and just-heard-about-Debian asking: is there support for RPM package management under Debian? The website doesn't meantion it, not even for the upcoming 2.1 release. Did I miss something? In addition to the answer you've already got: I have a feeling that your question might be caused by articles in magazines that sometimes recommend Redhat or another RPM-based distributions because of the ease-of-use compared to less sophisticated installation systems. In that case you should know that Debian's native packaging system, .deb, is at least as sophisticated as RPM and will give you the same advantages. In fact we find deb to be a technically superior tool. -- Henning Makholm http://www.diku.dk/students/makholm
Re: Could I use RPM in Debian 2.0?
cj wrote: I am a newbie.I want to know if i can use RPM to install package rather than dpkg .If can ,how can i do? You can convert .rpm files with alien to .deb files and install the resulting .deb files. This is the appropriate method when using Debian GNU/Linux. You can't use pure rpm to install packages since you would mix up dependencies and package information. Regards, Joey -- No question is too silly to ask, but, of course, some are too silly to answer. -- Perl book
