Re: sc, i.e., spread sheet calculator using ncurses

2012-07-16 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
On 2012-07-13, hvw59601 hvw59...@care2.com wrote:
 hvw59601 wrote:
 hvw59601 wrote:
 Wilko Fokken wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 01:29:15PM -0400, Nick Lidakis wrote:
 Does anyone use sc, the text based spreadsheet program? 

 Hi,

 (Not a precise answer to your question):


 I remember 'slsc', a text based spreadsheet, based on 'sc', but more
 advanced. Unfortunately, Debian doesn't contain it any more.

 At least up to Debian 3, this prog was provided.

 If you can find an 'slsc' source, you might be instrumental in
 bringing it back to life. You'll probably prefer it to 'sc'.

 
 I recompiled slsc. Neat! This is what I did:
 
 1. download 2 slsc source files from the sarge archives
 2. tar -xzvf slsc_0.2.3.orig.tar.gz
 3. rename slsc to slsc-0.2.3
 4. patch -p0 slsc_0.2.3-8.diff
Next there are 3 depends to satisfy:
 5. download libslang1-dev_1.4.9dbs-11_amd64.deb for etch on the archive 
 + install
 6. download libslang1_1.4.9dbs-11_amd64.deb for etch on the archive + 
 install
 7. download rpm: 
 http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/3/srodzaj/1/search/libtermcap.so.2()(64bit)
  
 
 8. alien the rpm + install the .deb.
 9. link libtermcap.a in /usr/lib64 to /usr/lib
 10. comment dh_testversion in debian/rules...
 11. dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot
 12. dpkg -i slsc_0.2.3-8_amd64.deb
 
 Comes with man page + tutorial:
 
 slsc -C /usr/lib/slsc/tutorial.sc
 
 Blazing colors!
 
 

 http://www.picpaste.com/slsc-1-MDWRIfxK.png


It appears that you cannot use wget on that: just click the link. But the image 
will just be there for 7 days... :-(



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wget ERROR 403: Forbidden. (was. ... Re: sc, i.e., spread sheet calculator using ncurses)

2012-07-14 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 09:05:52PM +0200, Linux-Fan wrote:
 On 07/13/2012 08:29 PM, Chris Bannister wrote:
  On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 01:14:09PM -0500, hvw59601 wrote:
 
  http://www.picpaste.com/slsc-1-MDWRIfxK.png
  
  WTF
  
  tal% wget http://www.picpaste.com/slsc-1-MDWRIfxK.png;
  --2012-07-14 06:26:59--  http://www.picpaste.com/slsc-1-MDWRIfxK.png
  Resolving www.picpaste.com (www.picpaste.com)... 87.239.128.90,
  2a00:12d8:100:90::80
  Connecting to www.picpaste.com (www.picpaste.com)|87.239.128.90|:80...
  connected.
  HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
  2012-07-14 06:27:00 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
  
 
 Seems they do not like wget's user-agent:
 
 /tmp$ wget --user-agent=Test http://www.picpaste.com/slsc-1-MDWRIfxK.png
 --2012-07-13 21:05:17--  http://www.picpaste.com/slsc-1-MDWRIfxK.png
 Resolving www.picpaste.com... 87.239.128.90, 2a00:12d8:100:90::80
 Connecting to www.picpaste.com|87.239.128.90|:80... connected.
 HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
 Length: 5959 (5.8K) [text/html]
 Saving to: “slsc-1-MDWRIfxK.png”
 
 100%[==] 5,959   --.-K/s   in
 0.01s
 
 2012-07-13 21:05:17 (517 KB/s) - “slsc-1-MDWRIfxK.png” saved [5959/5959]

Thanks!

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Re: sc, i.e., spread sheet calculator using ncurses

2012-07-13 Thread Keith McKenzie
On 12 July 2012 18:29, Nick Lidakis nlida...@verizon.net wrote:

 Does anyone use sc, the text based spreadsheet program?

 Over the years I've become more fond of the console and
 ncurses applications. I've recently found myself using sc
 as my first spreadsheet application for our new small
 business. Doing initial sales calculations, the program is fast,
 easy to use, and being ncurses very easy on the eyes.

 There's a bit of info about sc online but not much. I found a nice,
 albeit dated, mini-manual online:
 www.economics.utoronto.ca/jfloyd/stats/minmansc.pdf

 I can foresee issues exchanging data with people who use Excel. But then
 I don't know if any of the graphical clients have that capability either.

 Thoughts?


 P.S. I also find the command line accounting program ledger very intriguing
 as well.


 I often have mc sc fbi mpg123 mplayer on a machine for cli use, with a wm
 browser for the internet.

Mainly used sc for fairly simple stuff, whatifs, etc.

I like the commandline, but the internet is not friendly to text browsers.


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Debian GNU/Linux


Re: sc, i.e., spread sheet calculator using ncurses

2012-07-13 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 01:29:15PM -0400, Nick Lidakis wrote:
 I can foresee issues exchanging data with people who use Excel. But then 
 I don't know if any of the graphical clients have that capability either.

apt-cache search excel | grep spread | less

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Re: sc, i.e., spread sheet calculator using ncurses

2012-07-13 Thread John Hasler
Nick Lidakis writes:
 Does anyone use sc, the text based spreadsheet program?

My wife uses it extensively in doing the bookkeeping for our business.
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Re: sc, i.e., spread sheet calculator using ncurses

2012-07-13 Thread hvw59601

Wilko Fokken wrote:

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 01:29:15PM -0400, Nick Lidakis wrote:
Does anyone use sc, the text based spreadsheet program? 


Hi,

(Not a precise answer to your question):


I remember 'slsc', a text based spreadsheet, based on 'sc', but more
advanced. Unfortunately, Debian doesn't contain it any more.

At least up to Debian 3, this prog was provided.

If you can find an 'slsc' source, you might be instrumental in
bringing it back to life. You'll probably prefer it to 'sc'.



http://archive.debian.net/sarge/slsc




I never saw a manpage or other manual, but I remember the menu
at the top opened on hitting '/'.





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Re: sc, i.e., spread sheet calculator using ncurses

2012-07-13 Thread hvw59601

hvw59601 wrote:

Wilko Fokken wrote:

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 01:29:15PM -0400, Nick Lidakis wrote:
Does anyone use sc, the text based spreadsheet program? 


Hi,

(Not a precise answer to your question):


I remember 'slsc', a text based spreadsheet, based on 'sc', but more
advanced. Unfortunately, Debian doesn't contain it any more.

At least up to Debian 3, this prog was provided.

If you can find an 'slsc' source, you might be instrumental in
bringing it back to life. You'll probably prefer it to 'sc'.



I recompiled slsc. Neat! This is what I did:

1. download 2 slsc source files from the sarge archives
2. tar -xzvf slsc_0.2.3.orig.tar.gz
3. rename slsc to slsc-0.2.3
4. patch -p0 slsc_0.2.3-8.diff
   Next there are 3 depends to satisfy:
5. download libslang1-dev_1.4.9dbs-11_amd64.deb for etch on the archive 
+ install
6. download libslang1_1.4.9dbs-11_amd64.deb for etch on the archive + 
install
7. download rpm: 
http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/3/srodzaj/1/search/libtermcap.so.2()(64bit)

8. alien the rpm + install the .deb.
9. link libtermcap.a in /usr/lib64 to /usr/lib
10. comment dh_testversion in debian/rules...
11. dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot
12. dpkg -i slsc_0.2.3-8_amd64.deb

Comes with man page + tutorial:

slsc -C /usr/lib/slsc/tutorial.sc

Blazing colors!


Hugo


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Re: sc, i.e., spread sheet calculator using ncurses

2012-07-13 Thread hvw59601

hvw59601 wrote:

hvw59601 wrote:

Wilko Fokken wrote:

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 01:29:15PM -0400, Nick Lidakis wrote:
Does anyone use sc, the text based spreadsheet program? 


Hi,

(Not a precise answer to your question):


I remember 'slsc', a text based spreadsheet, based on 'sc', but more
advanced. Unfortunately, Debian doesn't contain it any more.

At least up to Debian 3, this prog was provided.

If you can find an 'slsc' source, you might be instrumental in
bringing it back to life. You'll probably prefer it to 'sc'.



I recompiled slsc. Neat! This is what I did:

1. download 2 slsc source files from the sarge archives
2. tar -xzvf slsc_0.2.3.orig.tar.gz
3. rename slsc to slsc-0.2.3
4. patch -p0 slsc_0.2.3-8.diff
   Next there are 3 depends to satisfy:
5. download libslang1-dev_1.4.9dbs-11_amd64.deb for etch on the archive 
+ install
6. download libslang1_1.4.9dbs-11_amd64.deb for etch on the archive + 
install
7. download rpm: 
http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/3/srodzaj/1/search/libtermcap.so.2()(64bit) 


8. alien the rpm + install the .deb.
9. link libtermcap.a in /usr/lib64 to /usr/lib
10. comment dh_testversion in debian/rules...
11. dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot
12. dpkg -i slsc_0.2.3-8_amd64.deb

Comes with man page + tutorial:

slsc -C /usr/lib/slsc/tutorial.sc

Blazing colors!




http://www.picpaste.com/slsc-1-MDWRIfxK.png




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Re: sc, i.e., spread sheet calculator using ncurses

2012-07-13 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 01:14:09PM -0500, hvw59601 wrote:
 
 http://www.picpaste.com/slsc-1-MDWRIfxK.png

WTF

tal% wget http://www.picpaste.com/slsc-1-MDWRIfxK.png;
--2012-07-14 06:26:59--  http://www.picpaste.com/slsc-1-MDWRIfxK.png
Resolving www.picpaste.com (www.picpaste.com)... 87.239.128.90,
2a00:12d8:100:90::80
Connecting to www.picpaste.com (www.picpaste.com)|87.239.128.90|:80...
connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
2012-07-14 06:27:00 ERROR 403: Forbidden.

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Re: sc, i.e., spread sheet calculator using ncurses

2012-07-13 Thread Linux-Fan
On 07/13/2012 08:29 PM, Chris Bannister wrote:
 On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 01:14:09PM -0500, hvw59601 wrote:

 http://www.picpaste.com/slsc-1-MDWRIfxK.png
 
 WTF
 
 tal% wget http://www.picpaste.com/slsc-1-MDWRIfxK.png;
 --2012-07-14 06:26:59--  http://www.picpaste.com/slsc-1-MDWRIfxK.png
 Resolving www.picpaste.com (www.picpaste.com)... 87.239.128.90,
 2a00:12d8:100:90::80
 Connecting to www.picpaste.com (www.picpaste.com)|87.239.128.90|:80...
 connected.
 HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
 2012-07-14 06:27:00 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
 

Seems they do not like wget's user-agent:

/tmp$ wget --user-agent=Test http://www.picpaste.com/slsc-1-MDWRIfxK.png
--2012-07-13 21:05:17--  http://www.picpaste.com/slsc-1-MDWRIfxK.png
Resolving www.picpaste.com... 87.239.128.90, 2a00:12d8:100:90::80
Connecting to www.picpaste.com|87.239.128.90|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 5959 (5.8K) [text/html]
Saving to: “slsc-1-MDWRIfxK.png”

100%[==] 5,959   --.-K/s   in
0.01s

2012-07-13 21:05:17 (517 KB/s) - “slsc-1-MDWRIfxK.png” saved [5959/5959]


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slsc, i.e., spreadsheet calculator using s-lang (Re: sc, i.e., spread sheet calculator using ncurses)

2012-07-13 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Hi,

Wilko Fokken wrote:

 I remember 'slsc', a text based spreadsheet, based on 'sc', but more
 advanced. Unfortunately, Debian doesn't contain it any more.

 At least up to Debian 3, this prog was provided.

 If you can find an 'slsc' source, you might be instrumental in
 bringing it back to life. You'll probably prefer it to 'sc'.

Interesting.

http://packages.qa.debian.org/slsc:
[2006-12-23] Removed 0.2.3-9 from unstable

http://bugs.debian.org/315641:
I hoped to be able to tell you that I had it working, but after a
number of hours working on porting it, I came to the conclusion that
is it not possible.  One part of sc using the internals of slang
extensively, unfortunately these internals don't exist in slang2.
[...]
OK, I think you have convinced me.  It's true that there are probably
very few people that use it, and I don't use it anymore either.  

http://snapshot.debian.org/package/slsc/ has version 0.2.3-9, which
is one revision newer than the version from sarge.

The version at ftp://space.mit.edu/pub/davis/slsc/ still seems to be
0.2.3 and to require s-lang 1.  The author writes:

slsc is a spreadsheet program that is based on sc.  The main
difference is that slsc is much easier to use.  However, I am nolonger
supporting it.

Ciao,
Jonathan


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Re: slsc, i.e., spreadsheet calculator using s-lang (Re: sc, i.e., spread sheet calculator using ncurses)

2012-07-13 Thread hvw59601

Jonathan Nieder wrote:

Hi,

Wilko Fokken wrote:


I remember 'slsc', a text based spreadsheet, based on 'sc', but more
advanced. Unfortunately, Debian doesn't contain it any more.

At least up to Debian 3, this prog was provided.

If you can find an 'slsc' source, you might be instrumental in
bringing it back to life. You'll probably prefer it to 'sc'.


Interesting.

http://packages.qa.debian.org/slsc:
[2006-12-23] Removed 0.2.3-9 from unstable

http://bugs.debian.org/315641:
I hoped to be able to tell you that I had it working, but after a
number of hours working on porting it, I came to the conclusion that
is it not possible.  One part of sc using the internals of slang
extensively, unfortunately these internals don't exist in slang2.


snip

Instead of 'sc' that should be 'slsc', right? Too bad he did not 
document the needed changes more. In upgrading to slang2 there seem to 
be structures in slang1 that disappeared somehow in slang2, that is in 
slang.h.


Hugo


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sc, i.e., spread sheet calculator using ncurses

2012-07-12 Thread Nick Lidakis
Does anyone use sc, the text based spreadsheet program? 

Over the years I've become more fond of the console and 
ncurses applications. I've recently found myself using sc 
as my first spreadsheet application for our new small 
business. Doing initial sales calculations, the program is fast,
easy to use, and being ncurses very easy on the eyes.

There's a bit of info about sc online but not much. I found a nice,
albeit dated, mini-manual online:
www.economics.utoronto.ca/jfloyd/stats/minmansc.pdf 

I can foresee issues exchanging data with people who use Excel. But then 
I don't know if any of the graphical clients have that capability either.

Thoughts?


P.S. I also find the command line accounting program ledger very intriguing 
as well.


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Re: sc, i.e., spread sheet calculator using ncurses

2012-07-12 Thread Wilko Fokken
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 01:29:15PM -0400, Nick Lidakis wrote:
 Does anyone use sc, the text based spreadsheet program? 

Hi,

(Not a precise answer to your question):


I remember 'slsc', a text based spreadsheet, based on 'sc', but more
advanced. Unfortunately, Debian doesn't contain it any more.

At least up to Debian 3, this prog was provided.

If you can find an 'slsc' source, you might be instrumental in
bringing it back to life. You'll probably prefer it to 'sc'.

I never saw a manpage or other manual, but I remember the menu
at the top opened on hitting '/'.


Good luck!

Wilko

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Re: sc, i.e., spread sheet calculator using ncurses

2012-07-12 Thread Wilko Fokken
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 08:33:52PM +0200, Wilko Fokken wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 01:29:15PM -0400, Nick Lidakis wrote:
  Does anyone use sc, the text based spreadsheet program? 
 
 Hi,
 
 (Not a precise answer to your question):
 
 
 I remember 'slsc', a text based spreadsheet, based on 'sc', but more
 advanced. Unfortunately, Debian doesn't contain it any more.
 
 At least up to Debian 3, this prog was provided.
 
 If you can find an 'slsc' source, you might be instrumental in
 bringing it back to life. You'll probably prefer it to 'sc'.
 
 I never saw a manpage or other manual, but I remember the menu
 at the top opened on hitting '/'.
 
 
I found a tar source of slsc:

http://mirror.safehostnet.com/debian-archive/debian/dists/potato/main/source/math/


 Good luck!
 
 Wilko

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Re: sc, i.e., spread sheet calculator using ncurses

2012-07-12 Thread John Cunningham
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Nick Lidakis nlida...@verizon.net wrote:

 Thoughts?

At first I really liked it, but I found the lack of Undo functionality
too aggravating to continue using it.

John


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Re: sc, i.e., spread sheet calculator using ncurses

2012-07-12 Thread Nick Lidakis
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:28:46PM -0400, John Cunningham wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Nick Lidakis nlida...@verizon.net wrote:
 
  Thoughts?
 
 At first I really liked it, but I found the lack of Undo functionality
 too aggravating to continue using it.

man sc reveals:

 u  Undo

But I haven't tried it yet.


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