Re: update-menus, does it work? UPDATE 2
On Friday, May 14, 1999 at 15:53:16 -0800, Adam Shand wrote: so it looks like root isn't supposed to be able to do this. This may be because root account is intended only for certain administrative tasks. For everything else, one should (create and) use a normal user account. I don't believe there is much, if anything, that would require X11 in the list of things that require one to be root at the time. -- PGP Public Key available on request: Type Bits/KeyIDDate User ID pub 1024/CFED2D11 1998/03/05 Lazarus Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key fingerprint = 98 2A 56 34 16 76 D5 21 39 93 99 EA 89 D4 B5 A2
Re: update-menus, does it work? UPDATE 2
It may not be pretty or proper but it seems to work. Putting this is either ~/.menu/ or /etc/menu and running update-menus as a user or root causes the menu item to appear properly. Hope this helps. Right!! I found this out at 2 AM this morning! Two kudos tho, it works here in only /etc/menu or ~/.menu. It doesn't seem to work in /root/.menu. Checking the output of update-menus doesn't even indicate it even checks /root/.menu. So I have not been able to remove the netscape entries from Apps/net, yet. i was poking around here and found this in the man page for update-menus. ~/.menu/* Menu files added by the user. (Isn't read if root runs update-menus) so it looks like root isn't supposed to be able to do this. adam.
Re: update-menus, does it work? UPDATE 2
Subject: Re: update-menus, does it work? UPDATE 2 Date: Fri, May 14, 1999 at 03:53:16PM -0800 In reply to:Adam Shand Quoting Adam Shand([EMAIL PROTECTED]): It may not be pretty or proper but it seems to work. Putting this is either ~/.menu/ or /etc/menu and running update-menus as a user or root causes the menu item to appear properly. Hope this helps. Right!! I found this out at 2 AM this morning! Two kudos tho, it works here in only /etc/menu or ~/.menu. It doesn't seem to work in /root/.menu. Checking the output of update-menus doesn't even indicate it even checks /root/.menu. So I have not been able to remove the netscape entries from Apps/net, yet. i was poking around here and found this in the man page for update-menus. ~/.menu/* Menu files added by the user. (Isn't read if root runs update-menus) so it looks like root isn't supposed to be able to do this. I didn't read it like that. I thought it meant that if ~user/.menu had an item it wouldn't be picked up by root running update-menus. It never occured to me that it wouldn't allow root to do it for him/her self. Shades of RedHat, root isn't smart enough to run Netscape (because it's a Security issue) and just to rub it in he can't remove it from his X menu! -- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. ___ Wayne T. Topa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: update-menus, does it work? UPDATE
I don't know if this will help, but I encountered problems myself with update-menus, being unable to add menu entries for certain packages. However I was able to manage a workaround by prefixing the package name with a local. For example: ?package(local.Eterm):\ needs=X11\ section=Personal\ title=Eterm\ command=/usr/bin/Eterm --theme custom --name Eterm It may not be pretty or proper but it seems to work. Putting this is either ~/.menu/ or /etc/menu and running update-menus as a user or root causes the menu item to appear properly. Hope this helps. MBG -- Infinite: Bigger than the biggest thing ever and then some. Much bigger than that in fact, really amazingly immense, a totally stunning size, real wow, that's big, time. Infinity is just so big that, by comparison, bigness itself looks really titchy. Gigantic multiplied by colossal multiplied by staggeringly huge is the sort of concept we're trying to get across here. -Douglas Adams 'The Restaurant at the End of the Universe'
Re: update-menus, does it work? UPDATE 2
Subject: Re: update-menus, does it work? UPDATE Date: Sun, May 09, 1999 at 05:50:07PM -0700 In reply to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I don't know if this will help, but I encountered problems myself with update-menus, being unable to add menu entries for certain packages. However I was able to manage a workaround by prefixing the package name with a local. For example: ?package(local.Eterm):\ needs=X11\ section=Personal\ title=Eterm\ command=/usr/bin/Eterm --theme custom --name Eterm It may not be pretty or proper but it seems to work. Putting this is either ~/.menu/ or /etc/menu and running update-menus as a user or root causes the menu item to appear properly. Hope this helps. MBG Right!! I found this out at 2 AM this morning! Two kudos tho, it works here in only /etc/menu or ~/.menu. It doesn't seem to work in /root/.menu. Checking the output of update-menus doesn't even indicate it even checks /root/.menu. So I have not been able to remove the netscape entries from Apps/net, yet. Thanks for the post -- User n.: A programmer who will believe anything you tell him. ___ Wayne T. Topa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: update-menus, does it work? UPDATE 2
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I don't know if this will help, but I encountered problems myself with update-menus, being unable to add menu entries for certain packages. However I was able to manage a workaround by prefixing the package name with a local. For example: Right!! I found this out at 2 AM this morning! Two kudos tho, it works here in only /etc/menu or ~/.menu. It doesn't seem to work in /root/.menu. Just a thought... does your root account have the $HOME env variable set? update-menus uses that to find the .menu dir It almost sounds like update-menus isn't reading your packages file correctly.. The local. makes update-menus skip the check on whether the package is installed. Apparently it's reading the menu file correctly, but it cannot figure out whether the package is installed or not. Try this: dpkg --get-selections|sed -e 's/[ \t]*\\(install\\|hold\\)$//p' | grep tcd If it doesn't show anything then something's really wrong.. -- Andrew Chung[EMAIL PROTECTED] See http://anderoo.dhs.org/~anderoo/pgp.html for PGP key It's a sin only if you dwell on the what ifs and the but ifs
Re: update-menus, does it work? UPDATE 2
Subject: Re: update-menus, does it work? UPDATE 2 Date: Mon, May 10, 1999 at 01:02:25PM -0400 In reply to:Andrew Chung Quoting Andrew Chung([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I don't know if this will help, but I encountered problems myself with update-menus, being unable to add menu entries for certain packages. However I was able to manage a workaround by prefixing the package name with a local. For example: Right!! I found this out at 2 AM this morning! Two kudos tho, it works here in only /etc/menu or ~/.menu. It doesn't seem to work in /root/.menu. Just a thought... does your root account have the $HOME env variable set? update-menus uses that to find the .menu dir Yes echo $HOME /root It almost sounds like update-menus isn't reading your packages file correctly.. The local. makes update-menus skip the check on whether the package is installed. Apparently it's reading the menu file correctly, but it cannot figure out whether the package is installed or not. Try this: dpkg --get-selections|sed -e 's/[ \t]*\\(install\\|hold\\)$//p' | grep tcd tcd install I no longer have gtcd in /root/.menu Even when I did the log did not show any Reading menuentryfiles in /root/.menu It did show /etc/menu and /usr/lib/menu entries tho. BTW Andrew, I tried to update my potato dist last night to see what the menu program looked like there. Busted (the distribution). Can't connect to the net anymore, its coming up with the error (can't find /user/.ppprc file. Haven't got time to troubleshoot it now but I will soon. Wayne -- | LINUX - Because a PC is a terrible thing to waste..on WinDoze | ___ Wayne T. Topa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: update-menus, does it work? UPDATE
m == mguenthe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: m I don't know if this will help, but I encountered problems myself with m update-menus, being unable to add menu entries for certain packages. However m I was able to manage a workaround by prefixing the package name with a m local. For example: m ?package(local.Eterm):\ [] This is correct. The name between the parantheses has to be a package, that dpkg -l shows as installed. update-menus checks this, so that you only get menuentries for packages that are installed (the menu packages provides some default entries. They would be shown, even if you don't have the packages installed otherwise). This may also be the problem for the original poster. m It may not be pretty or proper but it seems to work. Pu Prepending local. is the proper and documented way to add menuentries for localy installed programms, that are not registred with dpkg. Your specific problem is, that there is no package Eterm, but there is eterm, so ?package(eterm) \ ... will work as well. Ciao, Martin
Re: update-menus, does it work?
Subject: Re: update-menus, does it work? Date: Sat, May 08, 1999 at 03:32:22PM -0400 In reply to:Andrew Chung Quoting Andrew Chung([EMAIL PROTECTED]): ?package(gtcd):needs=x11 icon=none section=Apps/Sound \ title=Gtcd command=/usr/X11R6/bin/gtcd but it still doesn't show up in the menu of any user after I run update-menus. Yet 2 removed apps are still showing up in the Users menu. Did you run update-menu as yourself or as root? On my system I have to run it as myself before it will add/remove the entries to/from my menu...even for site-wide menu files. Yes, I have tried both as root and as a user, even tho I did not see any reference that is had to be done by both. Also note that the name in package() should be the name of the package, otherwise it won't add it to your menu.. I have tried ?package(tcd) and ?package(gtcd) and neither get the item added to the 'users' menu, but! Andrew, your right about the package name.!! I read package-name as menu package name, duh. :-( I created a new user to test this out. When that user runs update-menus it gets an error, Cannot open file /etc/X11/mwm//system.mwmrc /etc/menu-methods//mwm-menumethod: Aborting If I don't run update-menus but run X, a GNUstep menu is created (Wmaker is the default WM) and X runs fine but the 'gtcd' item is missing from the test users menus. Update-menus fails again, after exiting X. I copied the ~user/.menu/gtcd to /etc/menu and ran update-menus as both me and root. It is now showing up in root's menu! I them moved /etc/menu/gtcd to /root/.menu, reran update-menus, restarted the WM, and the item 'disappeared' from roots menu.(?) Moving it back to /etc/menu and running update-menus did NOT add it back to the root menu.(!?) Gtcd isn't in any menu at this point. I have noticed that roots apps/net menu has 24 items in it (including 3 Netscape entries, that in Debian, can't run) and only 18 entries in the my apps/net menu. Only one of which is a Netscape entry. I then moved the GNUstep to 1-GNUstep entered X again. Now I have the same apps/net menu as root does (WM interacts with update-menus somehow). So here is what I now have. 1. To add items to the root menu you put the new items in /etc/menu. And it works, sometimes. 2. Adding new menu entries in ~/.menu doesn't work, for anyone. 3. The items in /usr/lib/menu don't all show up in user menus if that user has a GNUstep menu already. 4. There is an interaction between the update-menus program and whatever WindowManager you are using. I am not sure, yet, what the fix is but I now have enough info to research it. 5. wmakerconf doesn' work. Running it segfaults with errors of a. no root/pixmaps file b. no /root/crontab c. After fixing a b it does **Error** sissegv: caught Looks like I have opened a can of worms here. Looks like I will change WM to fvwm and start this all over again. Andrew, what WM are you running and do you see any of the above happening? I will end this before it becomes a Book. I will update as I find answers to the above. Thanks Andrew! Wayne -- Using TSO is like kicking a dead whale down the beach. -- S. C. Johnson ___ Wayne T. Topa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: update-menus, does it work? UPDATE
Subject: Re: update-menus, does it work? Date: Sun, May 09, 1999 at 12:33:31PM -0400 In reply to:Wayne Topa Quoting Wayne Topa([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Subject: Re: update-menus, does it work? Date: Sat, May 08, 1999 at 03:32:22PM -0400 I have run the following test, as root. Slink. default WM - blackbox GNUstep dir removed for this test. I have in /etc/menu/gtcd ( all on 1 line) ?package(gtcd):needs=x11 icon=none section=Apps/Sound title=Gtcd command=/usr/X11R6/bin/gtcd and from Debian Menu System - How a user can override the menus (p2 of 2) I did echo -n ~/.menu/netscape ( so that the netscape entries don't show in root menu) Test 1 - run update-menus, run X Result - Netscape entries are still in Apps/net menu. Gtcd entry is not in apps/Sound menu. Conclusion - echo -n ~/.menu/netscape does not override the menu entries in /ustr/lib/menu as showm in the html doc. Test 2 - Edit /etc/X11/blackbox/Blackbox-menu to comment out the netscape entries and add Gtcd to Sound menu. Run X. Result - Netscape entries removed from Apps/net and Apps/Sound now has the Gtcd entry. Conclusion - If you only use one WM, find where it's menu items are and add/delete items from it. Test 3 - Run update-menus. Run X. Result - Netscape entries are back in Apps/net. Gtcd entry is not in /apps/sound. Less /etc/X11/blackbox/Blackbox-menu shows that the Netscape entries are no longer commented out and the Gtcd entry has been removed. Conclusion - If you use the method of test 2, don't run update-menus as it will remove all your hard work. Update-menus has a problem or I am not understanding the documentation. The goal of update-menus is an excellent one. It seems that the program, at least here, does not meet those goals. It looks like the only way to use mutiple WM's is to find each of their rc files and do to them what the update-menu program id supposed to do. Thats too bad, as that is one of the 'features' that made Debian my preferred distribution. I look forward to being told what I have done incorrectly. I hope that I have done wrong somewhere and that I am the only one. -- You know you've been spending too much time on the computer when your friend misdates a check, and you suggest adding a ++ to fix it. ___ Wayne T. Topa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
update-menus, does it work?
I am having a few problems with the update-menus program. I wonder if anyone else is also. 1. I removed 2 applications, xfreecd and wmcdplay, using apt-get remove and then installed tcd and xcdplay. Altho apt-get ran update-menus the two removed programs are still in the 'USERS' menu's. They have been removed from the roots menu's tho.(?) Re-runninf update-menus has not helped the problem. 2. I guess the maintainer of tcd didn't put the required menus for the X version of tcd, gtcd, in his package so I am trying to add it. I have read the /usr/doc/menu/html/index.html, and the README's in /etc/menu, /etc/menu-methods, and /usr/lib/menu, but still can't get it working. I have added the following to ~/.menu and /etc/menu ?package(gtcd):needs=x11 icon=none section=Apps/Sound \ title=Gtcd command=/usr/X11R6/bin/gtcd but it still doesn't show up in the menu of any user after I run update-menus. Yet 2 removed apps are still showing up in the Users menu. The /usr/lib/menu/default/README says to put new entries into /etc/menu but the /etc/menu/README says that entries in this dir override the menu files provided by Debian in /usr/lib/menu and /usr/lib/menu/default. New entries are not the same as overriding current entries, or are they? The html doc says to add user menus in ~/.menu. The html doc suggests doing echo -n ~/.menu/Xfreecd to remove the menu entry from the system menu in /etc/menu. Funny, I thought the system menu was /usr/lib/menu? I'm really confused now. Well anyway that doesn't work either, maybe because xfreecd and wmcdplay are not in ANY menu file at all! I hope that I'm the only one having a problem with this. Maybe it's because I'm not running KDE. They seem to like this! I long for the old way of changing .fvwmrc to whatever I want it to be. It made a lot more sense to me then this does. Oh, I have tried closing X down and also restarted the WM. That didn't help. As I am running Linux I will not reboot to try the Microsloth method. Comments, flames, tips and/or pointers appreciated. TIA Wayne -- Goto, n.: A programming tool that exists to allow structured programmers to complain about unstructured programmers -- Ray Simard ___ Wayne T. Topa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: update-menus, does it work?
?package(gtcd):needs=x11 icon=none section=Apps/Sound \ title=Gtcd command=/usr/X11R6/bin/gtcd but it still doesn't show up in the menu of any user after I run update-menus. Yet 2 removed apps are still showing up in the Users menu. Did you run update-menu as yourself or as root? On my system I have to run it as myself before it will add/remove the entries to/from my menu...even for site-wide menu files. Also note that the name in package() should be the name of the package, otherwise it won't add it to your menu.. -- Andrew Chung[EMAIL PROTECTED] See http://anderoo.dhs.org/~anderoo/pgp.html for PGP key It's a sin only if you dwell on the what ifs and the but ifs
