Re: where is xmms?

2008-06-23 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
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Carl Fink wrote:
 On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 07:24:23PM +0300, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
 
 Carl Fink wrote:
 On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 05:54:51PM +0300, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
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 Carl Fink wrote:
 After reading this thread, I was irritated to find that audacious isn't in
 Lenny.
 And what is http://packages.debian.org/lenny/audacious then? :)
 As of yesterday, not installable.
 What do you mean?
 
 NitpickingHP2:/home/carlf# apt-get install audacious
 Reading package lists... Done
 Building dependency tree   
 Reading state information... Done
 Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
 requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
 distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
 or been moved out of Incoming.
 
 Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
 the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
 that package should be filed.
 The following information may help to resolve the situation:
 
 The following packages have unmet dependencies:
   audacious: Depends: gtk2-engines-pixbuf but it is not going to be
 installed
 E: Broken packages
 NitpickingHP2:/home/carlf# 
 
 
 In a word, that's what I mean.
So, try to do 'aptitude install audacious -V', and place the output here.
Also let us view output of 'apt-cache policy gtk2-engines-pixbuf'.

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Re: where is xmms?

2008-06-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 06:47:27AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
 just to jump in... I recommend mpd with some kind of front end. I find
 it just the thing: small, and out of the way. It's just a music player
 daemon (hence the name). You can control it with a number of different
 cli and graphical front ends. I like mpc, a cli frontend. You issue
 commands like `mpc play` or `mpc next` etc. Makes it easy to script or
 bind to WM keys.

Also consider moc.

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Re: where is xmms?

2008-06-22 Thread Carl Fink
After reading this thread, I was irritated to find that audacious isn't in
Lenny.

Linux Journal just mentioned minirok.  Haven't tried it yet.
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Re: where is xmms?

2008-06-22 Thread Sven Hoexter
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 10:35:43AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
 After reading this thread, I was irritated to find that audacious isn't in
 Lenny.

audacious |1.5.0-2 |   testing | source, alpha, amd64, arm, armel, 
hppa, i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc

Well 1.5.1 has some bugs fixed but 1.5.0 is available.

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Re: where is xmms?

2008-06-22 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
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Carl Fink wrote:
 After reading this thread, I was irritated to find that audacious isn't in
 Lenny.
And what is http://packages.debian.org/lenny/audacious then? :)


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Re: where is xmms?

2008-06-22 Thread Carl Fink
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 05:54:51PM +0300, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
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 Carl Fink wrote:
  After reading this thread, I was irritated to find that audacious isn't in
  Lenny.
 And what is http://packages.debian.org/lenny/audacious then? :)

As of yesterday, not installable.
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Re: where is xmms?

2008-06-22 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
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 Carl Fink wrote:
 After reading this thread, I was irritated to find that audacious isn't in
 Lenny.
 And what is http://packages.debian.org/lenny/audacious then? :)
 
 As of yesterday, not installable.

What do you mean?

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Re: where is xmms?

2008-06-22 Thread Carl Fink
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 07:24:23PM +0300, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:

 Carl Fink wrote:
  On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 05:54:51PM +0300, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
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  Carl Fink wrote:
  After reading this thread, I was irritated to find that audacious isn't in
  Lenny.
  And what is http://packages.debian.org/lenny/audacious then? :)
  
  As of yesterday, not installable.
 
 What do you mean?

NitpickingHP2:/home/carlf# apt-get install audacious
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree   
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  audacious: Depends: gtk2-engines-pixbuf but it is not going to be
installed
E: Broken packages
NitpickingHP2:/home/carlf# 


In a word, that's what I mean.
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Re: where is xmms?

2008-06-20 Thread Sven Hoexter
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 05:00:46PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
 On Thu, 2008-06-19 at 19:24 -0400, Curt Howland wrote:
  It has been replaced by Audacious, which looks and works exactly the 
  same.
  
  I liked XMMS, and am happy with Audacious.
 
 Wow, that package changes names every few years, doesn't it?  It was
 X11Amp, then XMMS, now Audacious...

Audacious is a different piece of software forked from bmp and not XMMS.

It's just what most people in search for a small - just player - software
use as a replacement. There are other players around with more features and
different user interfaces like amarok or rythmbox.

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Re: where is xmms?

2008-06-20 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

Ron Johnson wrote:

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On 06/19/08 21:20, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Ron Johnson wrote:

On 06/19/08 21:02, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Ivan Glushkov wrote:

Hi all,
I have a sid x64 installed. I am wandering why there is no possibility
to install xmms?

lili2:/usr/src# apt-cache search xmms

snip

I have sid i386 and xmms still shows up:

...
wmxmms2 - remote-control dockapp for XMMS2
...
xmms2 - Client/server based media player system
...
xmms - Versatile X audio player
...

Specifically wmxmms is handy with fvwm, which audacious doesn't have: it
shows up as a docked application and clicking it will start it.

It would be interesting to see what the results of this command are
on your computer:

$ apt-cache policy xmms
xmms:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: (none)
  Version table:


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache policy xmms
xmms:
  Installed: 1:1.2.10+20070601-1+b1
  Candidate: 1:1.2.10+20070601-1+b1
  Version table:
 *** 1:1.2.10+20070601-1+b1 0
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status


Which indicates that it's not in Sid anymore...  Copy those .deb
files to a safe place before doing an apt-get clean!!!



No need: I do dpkg-repack and reprepro so I have it in the mirror.
But I am switching to audacious, although that has no windowmaker app to 
control it like wmxmms.


Hugo


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Re: where is xmms?

2008-06-20 Thread Nuno Magalhães
Or,
You can use xmms2, which works as a daemon, and use some xmms2 client
(i'm currently using gKrellm plugins).
Both are on the mirrors.

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Re: where is xmms?

2008-06-20 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

Nuno Magalhães wrote:

Or,
You can use xmms2, which works as a daemon, and use some xmms2 client
(i'm currently using gKrellm plugins).
Both are on the mirrors.



Yes I saw that, xmms2 and wmxmms2.

Hugo


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Re: where is xmms?

2008-06-20 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:04:52PM +0100, Michal R. Hoffmann wrote:
 On 19/06/08 22:34, Mark Allums wrote:
 Ivan Glushkov wrote:
   Hi all,
   I have a sid x64 installed. I am wandering why there is no possibility
   to install xmms?
  

 If I understand correctly, xmms is no longer considered stable or  
 reliable; it has no maintainer, and has been abandoned by the upstream  
 maintainer.  So, people using it need to transition to something else.  
 I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.

 I would recommend Audacious. Previously I used winamp on Windows and  
 xmms on Linux. Audacious is very similar in 'feel', very sleek and does  
 the job. Plays mp3, mpc, ogg, flac, possibly many more :) Install  
 plugins package as well.


just to jump in... I recommend mpd with some kind of front end. I find
it just the thing: small, and out of the way. It's just a music player
daemon (hence the name). You can control it with a number of different
cli and graphical front ends. I like mpc, a cli frontend. You issue
commands like `mpc play` or `mpc next` etc. Makes it easy to script or
bind to WM keys.

.02

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Re: where is xmms?

2008-06-20 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Jun 20 08:48 -0500]:
 On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:04:52PM +0100, Michal R. Hoffmann wrote:
  On 19/06/08 22:34, Mark Allums wrote:
  Ivan Glushkov wrote:
Hi all,
I have a sid x64 installed. I am wandering why there is no possibility
to install xmms?
   
 
  If I understand correctly, xmms is no longer considered stable or  
  reliable; it has no maintainer, and has been abandoned by the upstream  
  maintainer.  So, people using it need to transition to something else.  
  I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.
 
  I would recommend Audacious. Previously I used winamp on Windows and  
  xmms on Linux. Audacious is very similar in 'feel', very sleek and does  
  the job. Plays mp3, mpc, ogg, flac, possibly many more :) Install  
  plugins package as well.

Since I had gotten used to XMMS over the years and then BMP, Audacious
fills my needs very well.  My favorite skins are compatible and it just
seems to keep improving.  It's miles ahead of where XMMS was at the end
of its run.  For those of us who just want a graphical music player
without the overhead of a server or jukebox, etc., it's great to have an
excellent piece of software keep improving.

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Re: where is xmms?

2008-06-20 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Nuno Magalhães wrote:

Or,
You can use xmms2, which works as a daemon, and use some xmms2 client
(i'm currently using gKrellm plugins).
Both are on the mirrors.



Yes I saw that, xmms2 and wmxmms2.



And having tried them, they are totally unlike xmms and wmxmms.
Completely command-line driven.

Hugo


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Re: where is xmms?

2008-06-20 Thread Nuno Magalhães
 Yes I saw that, xmms2 and wmxmms2.


 And having tried them, they are totally unlike xmms and wmxmms.
 Completely command-line driven.


Well yes, the server is command-line driven; the clients are not. I've
used esperanza but it lacked ramdom playing so i'm using a plugin for
gKrellm. xmms2d actually does have many clients to choose from, many
GUI-clients that is:
http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/wiki/Clients

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Re: where is xmms?

2008-06-20 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

Nuno Magalhães wrote:

Yes I saw that, xmms2 and wmxmms2.


And having tried them, they are totally unlike xmms and wmxmms.
Completely command-line driven.



Well yes, the server is command-line driven; the clients are not. I've
used esperanza but it lacked ramdom playing so i'm using a plugin for
gKrellm. xmms2d actually does have many clients to choose from, many
GUI-clients that is:
http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/wiki/Clients



I saw those. But the upshot of it is, in my opinion, that if xmms is 
gone, audacious is a simpler replacement.


Hugo


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where is xmms?

2008-06-19 Thread Ivan Glushkov
Hi all,
I have a sid x64 installed. I am wandering why there is no possibility to
install xmms?

lili2:/usr/src# apt-cache search xmms
abraca - A simple and powerful graphical client for XMMS2
ample - A simple MP3 server easy to use
audtty - ncurses based frontend to audacious
cynthiune.app - A free software and romantic music player for GNUstep
esperanza - XMMS2 client which aims to be as feature-full and easy-to-use as
possible
flac - Free Lossless Audio Codec - command line tools
fvwm-crystal - Pretty Desktop Environment based on fvwm
gdesklets-data - Applets for gdesklets
gkrellxmms2 - GKrellM plugin to control xmms2
gxmms2 - xmms2 client for the GNOME desktop
icecast-server - MPEG Layer III Streaming Server
kicker-applets - applets for Kicker, the KDE panel
libaudio-xmmsclient-perl - XMMS2 - perl client library
libflac++-dev - Free Lossless Audio Codec - C++ development library
libflac++6 - Free Lossless Audio Codec - C++ runtime library
libflac-dev - Free Lossless Audio Codec - C development library
libflac-doc - Free Lossless Audio Codec - library documentation
libflac8 - Free Lossless Audio Codec - runtime C library
libmodplug-dev - development files for mod music based on ModPlug
libmodplug0c2 - shared libraries for mod music based on ModPlug
libsmpeg0 - SDL MPEG Player Library - shared libraries
libxmmsclient++-dev - XMMS2 - client library for c++ - development files
libxmmsclient++-glib-dev - XMMS2 - glib client library for c++ - development
files
libxmmsclient++-glib1 - XMMS2 - glib client library for c++
libxmmsclient++2 - XMMS2 - client library for c++
libxmmsclient-dev - XMMS2 - client library devel files
libxmmsclient-glib-dev - XMMS2 - glib client library - development files
libxmmsclient-glib1 - XMMS2 - glib client library
libxmmsclient-ruby - XMMS2 - Ruby client library
libxmmsclient-ruby1.8 - XMMS2 - Ruby bindings
libxmmsclient3 - XMMS2 - client library
pidgin-musictracker - Plugin for Pidgin which displays the current music
track in your status
pidgin-plugin-pack - 30 useful plugins for pidgin
prokyon3 - A mp3 and ogg/vorbis manager and tag editor
pulseaudio - PulseAudio sound server
python-xmmsclient - XMMS2 - Python bindings
pytone - Music jukebox with advanced features for DJs and a text-mode user
interface
somaplayer - player audio for the soma suite
vorbisgain - add Replay Gain volume tags to Ogg Vorbis files
wmauda - remote-control dockapp for Audacious
wmxmms2 - remote-control dockapp for XMMS2
xfce4-goodies - enhancements for the Xfce4 Desktop Environment
xmms2 - Client/server based media player system
xmms2-client-avahi - XMMS2 - avahi client
xmms2-client-cli - XMMS2 - cli client
xmms2-client-medialib-updater - XMMS2 - medialib-updater client
xmms2-core - XMMS2 - core package
xmms2-dev - XMMS2 - plugin development files
xmms2-et - XMMS2 - phone home package
xmms2-plugin-all - XMMS2 - all plugins
xmms2-plugin-alsa - XMMS2 - ALSA output
xmms2-plugin-ao - XMMS2 - libao output plugin
xmms2-plugin-asf - XMMS2 - ASF plugin
xmms2-plugin-asx - XMMS2 - ASX playlist plugin
xmms2-plugin-avcodec - XMMS2 - avcodec decoder
xmms2-plugin-avformat - XMMS2 - avformat demuxer
xmms2-plugin-cdda - XMMS2 - CDDA plugin
xmms2-plugin-cue - XMMS2 - CUE playlist plugin
xmms2-plugin-curl - XMMS2 - curl transport for HTTP
xmms2-plugin-daap - XMMS2 - daap plugin
xmms2-plugin-faad - XMMS2 - faad decoder
xmms2-plugin-flac - XMMS2 - flac decoder
xmms2-plugin-gnomevfs - XMMS2 - GnomeVFS transport
xmms2-plugin-ices - XMMS2 - ogg streaming output
xmms2-plugin-icymetaint - XMMS2 - shoutcast metadata plugin
xmms2-plugin-id3v2 - XMMS2 - ID3v2 plugin
xmms2-plugin-jack - XMMS2 - JACK output
xmms2-plugin-lastfm - XMMS2 - Last.FM plugin
xmms2-plugin-m3u - XMMS2 - M3U playlist plugin
xmms2-plugin-mad - XMMS2 - libmad based mp3 decoder
xmms2-plugin-mms - XMMS2 - MMS transport
xmms2-plugin-modplug - XMMS2 - modplug decoder
xmms2-plugin-mp4 - XMMS2 - MPEG-4 plugin
xmms2-plugin-musepack - XMMS2 - mpc decoder
xmms2-plugin-normalize - XMMS2 - Normalize plugin
xmms2-plugin-ofa - XMMS2 - OFA plugin
xmms2-plugin-oss - XMMS2 - OSS output
xmms2-plugin-pls - XMMS2 - PLS playlist plugin
xmms2-plugin-pulse - XMMS2 - pulseaudio output plugin
xmms2-plugin-rss - XMMS2 - RSS podcast plugin
xmms2-plugin-sid - XMMS2 - libsidplay2 based decoder
xmms2-plugin-smb - XMMS2 - Samba transport
xmms2-plugin-vocoder - XMMS2 - vocoder plugin
xmms2-plugin-vorbis - XMMS2 - vorbis decoder
xmms2-plugin-wma - XMMS2 - wma decoder
xmms2-plugin-xml - XMMS2 - XML plugin
xmms2-plugin-xspf - XMMS2 - XSPF playist plugin
xmms2-scrobbler - Audioscrobbler/Last.FM client for xmms2
xmms2tray - systray integration for XMMS2
libflac++5 - Free Lossless Audio Codec - C++ runtime library
libflac7 - Free Lossless Audio Codec - runtime C library
liboggflac++-dev - Free Lossless Audio Codec - C++ development library (ogg)
liboggflac++2 - Free Lossless Audio Codec - C++ runtime library (ogg)
liboggflac-dev - Free Lossless Audio Codec - C development library (ogg)
liboggflac3 

Re: where is xmms?

2008-06-19 Thread Mark Allums

Ivan Glushkov wrote:
 Hi all,
 I have a sid x64 installed. I am wandering why there is no possibility
 to install xmms?


If I understand correctly, xmms is no longer considered stable or 
reliable; it has no maintainer, and has been abandoned by the upstream 
maintainer.  So, people using it need to transition to something else. 
I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.



Mark Allums


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Re: where is xmms?

2008-06-19 Thread Michal R. Hoffmann

On 19/06/08 22:34, Mark Allums wrote:

Ivan Glushkov wrote:
  Hi all,
  I have a sid x64 installed. I am wandering why there is no possibility
  to install xmms?
 

If I understand correctly, xmms is no longer considered stable or 
reliable; it has no maintainer, and has been abandoned by the upstream 
maintainer.  So, people using it need to transition to something else. 
I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.


I would recommend Audacious. Previously I used winamp on Windows and 
xmms on Linux. Audacious is very similar in 'feel', very sleek and does 
the job. Plays mp3, mpc, ogg, flac, possibly many more :) Install 
plugins package as well.


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Re: where is xmms?

2008-06-19 Thread Michael Shuler

On 06/19/2008 02:46 PM, Ivan Glushkov wrote:
I have a sid x64 installed. I am wandering why there is no possibility 
to install xmms?


Audacious is a fork of xmms and works quite well for me.
http://audacious-media-player.org/

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Re: where is xmms?

2008-06-19 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
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Ivan Glushkov wrote:
 Hi all,
 I have a sid x64 installed. I am wandering why there is no possibility
 to install xmms?

Xmms has been removed from Debian archive.
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Re: where is xmms?

2008-06-19 Thread Curt Howland
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It has been replaced by Audacious, which looks and works exactly the 
same.

I liked XMMS, and am happy with Audacious.

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Re: where is xmms?

2008-06-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, 2008-06-19 at 19:24 -0400, Curt Howland wrote:
 It has been replaced by Audacious, which looks and works exactly the 
 same.
 
 I liked XMMS, and am happy with Audacious.

Wow, that package changes names every few years, doesn't it?  It was
X11Amp, then XMMS, now Audacious...

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Re: where is xmms?

2008-06-19 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

Ivan Glushkov wrote:

Hi all,
I have a sid x64 installed. I am wandering why there is no possibility 
to install xmms?


lili2:/usr/src# apt-cache search xmms


snip

I have sid i386 and xmms still shows up:

...
wmxmms2 - remote-control dockapp for XMMS2
...
xmms2 - Client/server based media player system
...
xmms - Versatile X audio player
...

Specifically wmxmms is handy with fvwm, which audacious doesn't have: it 
shows up as a docked application and clicking it will start it.


Hugo


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Re: where is xmms?

2008-06-19 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 06/19/08 21:02, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
 Ivan Glushkov wrote:
 Hi all,
 I have a sid x64 installed. I am wandering why there is no possibility
 to install xmms?

 lili2:/usr/src# apt-cache search xmms
 
 snip
 
 I have sid i386 and xmms still shows up:
 
 ...
 wmxmms2 - remote-control dockapp for XMMS2
 ...
 xmms2 - Client/server based media player system
 ...
 xmms - Versatile X audio player
 ...
 
 Specifically wmxmms is handy with fvwm, which audacious doesn't have: it
 shows up as a docked application and clicking it will start it.

It would be interesting to see what the results of this command are
on your computer:

$ apt-cache policy xmms
xmms:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: (none)
  Version table:

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Re: where is xmms?

2008-06-19 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

Ron Johnson wrote:

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On 06/19/08 21:02, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Ivan Glushkov wrote:

Hi all,
I have a sid x64 installed. I am wandering why there is no possibility
to install xmms?

lili2:/usr/src# apt-cache search xmms

snip

I have sid i386 and xmms still shows up:

...
wmxmms2 - remote-control dockapp for XMMS2
...
xmms2 - Client/server based media player system
...
xmms - Versatile X audio player
...

Specifically wmxmms is handy with fvwm, which audacious doesn't have: it
shows up as a docked application and clicking it will start it.


It would be interesting to see what the results of this command are
on your computer:

$ apt-cache policy xmms
xmms:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: (none)
  Version table:



[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache policy xmms
xmms:
  Installed: 1:1.2.10+20070601-1+b1
  Candidate: 1:1.2.10+20070601-1+b1
  Version table:
 *** 1:1.2.10+20070601-1+b1 0
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

Hugo


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Re: where is xmms?

2008-06-19 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 06/19/08 21:20, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
 Ron Johnson wrote:

 On 06/19/08 21:02, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
 Ivan Glushkov wrote:
 Hi all,
 I have a sid x64 installed. I am wandering why there is no possibility
 to install xmms?

 lili2:/usr/src# apt-cache search xmms
 snip

 I have sid i386 and xmms still shows up:

 ...
 wmxmms2 - remote-control dockapp for XMMS2
 ...
 xmms2 - Client/server based media player system
 ...
 xmms - Versatile X audio player
 ...

 Specifically wmxmms is handy with fvwm, which audacious doesn't have: it
 shows up as a docked application and clicking it will start it.

 It would be interesting to see what the results of this command are
 on your computer:

 $ apt-cache policy xmms
 xmms:
   Installed: (none)
   Candidate: (none)
   Version table:

 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache policy xmms
 xmms:
   Installed: 1:1.2.10+20070601-1+b1
   Candidate: 1:1.2.10+20070601-1+b1
   Version table:
  *** 1:1.2.10+20070601-1+b1 0
 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

Which indicates that it's not in Sid anymore...  Copy those .deb
files to a safe place before doing an apt-get clean!!!

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