Re: x is dead - non-free
George Bonser writes: I am not against commercial software, I am against crappy commercial software. If R6.4 is good and if it can be obtained for a few bucks, I would use it. Heck, I am almost tempted to fork out the $7500 and offer binary packages. I'm sure that Xi friends will be offering R6.4 for Linux. They will puff their products with claims that theirs is the real X while the stuff from XFree is merely an obsolete version. This may even be part of the motive for the change. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: x is dead - non-free
After loads of problems with LSL ( after 2 weeks they wrote back to me saying my credit card was out of date because 1/10/98 in England means 1st October and over in America it's 10th Jan, and I wrote back correcting them but they said that I have to use another card) I am facing a real dilemma with Distribution disks. If X becomes non-free, there will be no point buying a Debian distribution CD if I am correct?? I mean, if X isn't on there, I'll have to dnld everything anyway, or buy Red Hat ?? What a pain. X is a large part of Debian, it's stupid to make it non-free... | | | This message was sent using | | Micro$oft Express. - Don't blame me, mother | | insists. | | | | You're Not Our Brightest Year - Mr Boon, | | Headteacher of St Bede's, Cambridge | | | | Tristan you're soo annoying!!| | I'm sorry, you're not really, you're very sweet | | -Mrs Myers, Maths Teacher| * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: x is dead - non-free
Tristan Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After loads of problems with LSL ( after 2 weeks they wrote back to me saying my credit card was out of date because 1/10/98 in England means 1st October and over in America it's 10th Jan, and I wrote back correcting them but they said that I have to use another card) I am facing a real dilemma with Distribution disks. If X becomes non-free, there will be no point buying a Debian distribution CD if I am correct?? I mean, if X isn't on there, I'll have to dnld everything anyway, or buy Red Hat ?? What a pain. X is a large part of Debian, it's stupid to make it non-free... As has been said many, many times, all the annoucement means is that X11R6.4 from the open group will become non-free. X11R6.3 will remain free - there's nothing the Open group can do about this. And the XFree86 people will continue develop, support, and improve their X stuff. (and so we may very well see XFree86 producing their own X11R6.4) So, in short: DON'T PANIC. X will remain a part of Debian now and in the foreseeable future; futermore, it will remain free. (this is one reason the DFSG are written the way they are - once free, always free [1]) X development may be slowed down a bit, but I don't at the moment see any reason to be worried by that. [1] This doesn't mean that one can't create a DFSG free product, and then decide to make subsequent versions of the product non-free. However, the versions that are released with DFSG compatible licences will _always_ be DFSG free. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: x is dead - non-free
I am facing a real dilemma with Distribution disks. If X becomes non-free, there will be no point buying a Debian distribution CD if I am correct?? I mean, if X isn't on there, I'll have to dnld everything anyway, or buy Red Hat ?? It is the *next* release of X that will be non-free. The present release will remain free and remain available, and XFree86 will continue to maintain and support it. What a pain. X is a large part of Debian,... And will continue to be. X is *not* going to be removed from Debian. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: x is dead - non-free
The news about X11 is among the more disturbing items I've heard in this realm--the unix-paradigm world. An X-guru coworker mentioned this possibility to me a few months ago but I never thought that corporate greed would sink to this depth. But the offstage buzzer is sounding: `Wrong!' According to George Bonser: On 4 Apr 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is the *next* release of X that will be non-free. The present release will remain free and remain available, and XFree86 will continue to maintain and support it. Stop! XFree will ALWAYS be free. It will continue to evolve in future releases. XFree might diverge over time from OpenGroup's X but if more systems use XFree than OpenGroup's X they become moot. I think you will realize that OpenGroup has simply shot themselves in the foot bigtime. Yep... Foot and head. Any further such divisiveness and the commercial UNIX and X operations are going to go down the drain. gary kline -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: x is dead - non-free
I wrote: It is the *next* release of X that will be non-free. The present release will remain free and remain available, and XFree86 will continue to maintain and support it. George Bonser writes: Stop! Stop what? XFree will ALWAYS be free. Yes, of course it will. 'X', however, refers to 'The X Window System', which is a registered trademark of TOG. X11R6.4 will be the next release of X, and it will not be free. Doesn't matter much, though, because we have XFree. I thought I made that clear. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
