Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
In light of the confusion this 'voting' business has caused, I see the only answer, for the good of our project of course, is for me to seize power and declare myself emperor for life. As we speak, my trusted henchmen are moving to take control of key Debian infrastructure. All hail emperor me, -- David N. Welton Consulting: http://www.dedasys.com/ Personal: http://www.dedasys.com/davidw/ Free Software: http://www.dedasys.com/freesoftware/ Apache Tcl: http://tcl.apache.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
Folks, I did not attribute the script that we are planning on using for the vote counting to Anthony Towns. aj had sent me the script a few weeks ago, but I had totally forgotten that he had done so. Since the script did not contain an author name, I had forgotten who had sent it in. I apologize for the lack of attribution. Oh. and I do plan on running the old algorithm as well as the new one on the votes (it needs to be modified to grok the new interface/file format, but that is trivial). manoj -- Date: 15 Jun 90 16:15:31 GMT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randal Schwartz) $_ = '-- '; s/../printf %c,hex($)/ge; 4a75737420616e6f74686572205065726c206861636b65722c Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
On Mar 27, Bdale Garbee wrote: The discussion after last year's vote on this topic seemed to lead to a concensus that we should treat any unmarked choices as being of equal preference, at a preference level below any marked entries. 1. The method is called Condorcet, even though we all want to call it concorde. (Not correcting Bdale here :-) 2. According to http://electionmethods.org/CondorcetEx.htm : The basics of Condorcet voting are best illustrated by example. Suppose an election has four candidates designated A, B, C, and D. Each voter ranks the candidates in order of preference. For example, the vote (B,D,C) ranks B first, D second, and C third. The last choice is implied. Voters are not required to fully rank the entire list. For example, the vote (D,B) indicates that the voter has no preference between A and C. The implication of this statement is that we should treat (example chosen so as not to reveal any bias toward/against any candidate :-): Branden Raphael Bdale 1 None of the Above as NA (Branden = Raphael = Bdale) (where is is preferred to and = is expresses no preference between) Further, the interactive demo at http://www.eskimo.com/~robla/politics/condorcet-front.html implies that valid votes do not have to rank all candidates. (This would be simpler if we had gone back and fixed the voting procedure in the constitution a while back... oh well.) Chris -- Chris Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.lordsutch.com/chris/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 11:38:59AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: This year we are using a new method of properly determining concordcet ballots using the Cloneproof SSD method. The script that calculates this is appended below. Condorcet ballots. The history's this: way back in the day, some guy called Condorcet invented some nice properties voting systems should have, then created some ballot counting systems that had them, and was then promptly ignored. The people who study such things seem to think that condorcet ballot counting is the way to go, and when the constitution was proposed it included a system (as far as anyone knows) mistitled Concorde voting that is a hybrid of a condorcet system and an alternate vote system, which is good, but not as good as some other systems. After the non-free vote died last year, some of us got together with some election methods geeks, to try to fix various bugs, and almost got to a consensus on using a condorcet method called Cloneproof SSD. I wrote a script to do this processing, which I think is what Manoj is using, and is at http://people.debian.org/~ajt/cloneproof_ssd.pl . Note, though, that Cloneproof SSD is *not* the system given in the constitution; it'll choose the same result in most cases (including all the votes we've had so far, I believe), but in some corner case, it's won't. As far as I can see, this script does handle repeated ranking (I'm sure I'll be corrected post haste if I have misread the script). If we're talking about my script, I believe it does cope with equal rankings, and also with interprets all ranked candidate as being preferred over all unranked candidate. That is, it interprets ---1 the same as 2221, and takes that as not expressing any preference between any of the candidates, but ranking none-of-the-above as better than all of them. Note that condorcet voting is a full preferential system -- even if you'd rather none of the candidates become DPL and vote that way, your vote can still indicate who you dislike less, and that will be used in the final result. I'd thought Manoj was planning on running both scripts (the one based on the constitution and the one implementing Cloneproof SSD) over the ballots. For those who care, the Cloneproof SSD (Schwartz Sequential Dropping) system works like this: 1. For each pair of candidates A, B; calculate ranking[A,B], the number of ballots that indicated a preference for candidate A over candidate B. A is said to have beaten B if ranking[A,B] is strictly greater than ranking[B,A]. 2. A defeats list is setup, listing pairs of candidates A,B where candidate A beats candidate B. A defeat (of A over B, versus C over D) is considered stronger if ranking[A,B] ranking[C,D], or, if they're equal, ranking[B,A] ranking[D,C]. 3. The Schwartz set of candidates is calculated based on the defeats list: * An unbeaten set is a set of candidates such that no candidate outside the set defeats any candidate inside the set. * An innermost unbeaten set is an unbeaten set that doesn't have a proper subset that is also unbeaten. * The Schwartz set is the union of all the innermost unbeaten sets. Innermost unbeaten sets will have more than one member in the event of cycles, eg 28 people vote Branden Raphael Bdale, 30 people vote Raphael Bdale Branden, 32 people vote Bdale Branden Raphael (which has Bdale beats Branden, Branden beats Raphael, and Raphael beats Bdale). There can be more than one innermost unbeaten set in the event of exact ties between candidates. 4. If the Schwartz set has just one candidate, that candidate wins. 5. If not, drop the weakest defeat between candidates in the Schwartz set, then recalculate go back to step (3). If there's more than one weakest defeat, drop all weakest defeats. If there weren't any defeats left to drop, then there is a tie between the candidates remaining in the Schwartz set. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/ I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred. ``Debian: giving you the power to shoot yourself in each toe individually.'' -- with kudos to Greg Lehey pgpop2el80HIy.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
Norbert == Norbert Veber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Norbert Thats very strange. So if I only consider one candidate Norbert vorthy of a vote, and fill in just one square, my vote means Norbert nothing? That dosent seem right :) I would not say it meant nothing. It means that you prefer one candidate, but say nothing about how the other choices stand in respect to each other. It also means that is your candidate does not win you have no preferences. tb If that's what you think, then you rank them thus: tb 1) Your candidate tb 2) None of the above tb 3 and 4) The other two Umm, this is slightly different, in that you assign a value to candidate you vote 3 above the candidate voted 4; also, you indicate that you would rather see further discussion than seeing other people win, this is a stronger anti-everyone-but-my-candidate stance than the one above. You get to decide how stronlgy you feel pro you guy and anti everyone else ;-). Bdale The discussion after last year's vote on this topic seemed to Bdale lead to a concensus that we should treat any unmarked choices Bdale as being of equal preference, at a preference level below any Bdale marked entries. That is indeed how the scripts work. manoj -- The first rule of magic is simple. Don't waste your time waving your hands and hoping when a rock or a club will do. McCloctnik the Lucid Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This year we are using a new method of properly determining concordcet ballots using the Cloneproof SSD method. The script that calculates this is appended below. Thanks for the clarification Manoj. I see the script does work as discussed. My only remaining question is if the script that parses the vote does indeed handle [] correctly. In a previous message it was asserted it didn't. I know from previous elections that it does. Thanks again, -- Marcelo | Real children don't go hoppity-skip unless they are [EMAIL PROTECTED] | on drugs. | -- Susan, the ultimate sensible governess |(Terry Pratchett, Hogfather) pgpEwnWXwKbIX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
In light of the confusion this 'voting' business has caused, I see the only answer, for the good of our project of course, is for me to seize power and declare myself emperor for life. As we speak, my trusted henchmen are moving to take control of key Debian infrastructure. All hail emperor me, -- David N. Welton Consulting: http://www.dedasys.com/ Personal: http://www.dedasys.com/davidw/ Free Software: http://www.dedasys.com/freesoftware/ Apache Tcl: http://tcl.apache.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
On Thursday, March 28, 2002, at 04:16 AM, David N. Welton wrote: All hail emperor me, In playing WarCraft II, there are a few things I've learned about this that I'd like to pass along. First, peasants are easy to rule, as long as you don't overwork them too much. After all, they all chant, routinely, yes me lord. That can't be a bad thing, not one bit. Second, footmen are generally agreeable, too. Same holds for archers. Knights are exceptionally agreeable, and only give you issues if you make then stand around and do nothing. Give then dpkg's or apt's bug list, and that'll keep them happy for ages! Third, mages (and I'd assume gurus, wizzards, hackers, and sages) should not be bugged to much. They anger quickly, and when they do, you'd better run. In other words. Fourth, don't poke your pet too much. It will explode. No, I mean it. And, lastly, and maybe most importantly, I propose a that we give Emperer David N. Welton a funny pointy hat. Can I either get a first (and seconds) from some registered developers, or alternatively a few henchmen to back me up? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
Folks, I did not attribute the script that we are planning on using for the vote counting to Anthony Towns. aj had sent me the script a few weeks ago, but I had totally forgotten that he had done so. Since the script did not contain an author name, I had forgotten who had sent it in. I apologize for the lack of attribution. Oh. and I do plan on running the old algorithm as well as the new one on the votes (it needs to be modified to grok the new interface/file format, but that is trivial). manoj -- Date: 15 Jun 90 16:15:31 GMT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randal Schwartz) $_ = '-- '; s/../printf %c,hex($)/ge; 4a75737420616e6f74686572205065726c206861636b65722c Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
Marcelo == Marcelo E Magallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marcelo Thanks for the clarification Manoj. I see the script does Marcelo work as discussed. My only remaining question is if the Marcelo script that parses the vote does indeed handle [ ] Marcelo correctly. In a previous message it was asserted it Marcelo didn't. I know from previous elections that it does. I'll post all scripts used in the vote machinery sometime before the results are due. I have looked at the ballot parsing mechanism, and the new script is certainly not going to degrade the parsing capabilities we have had in the past. manoj -- The idea is to die young as late as possible. Ashley Montague Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
* Anthony DeRobertis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : On Thursday, March 28, 2002, at 04:16 AM, David N. Welton wrote: All hail emperor me, [..] And, lastly, and maybe most importantly, I propose a that we give Emperer David N. Welton a funny pointy hat. Can I either get a first (and seconds) from some registered developers, or alternatively a few henchmen to back me up? +1 -Thom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
Gustavo Noronha Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you want to select one person, and leave the rest equally, you could put a 1 for the person (or thing) you like, and mark the rest as 2. [...] unacceptable blank. Start with 1, don't skip any numbers, don't repeat. To vote no, no matter what do not leave an option [...] I'd also appreciate a clarification regarding this, preferably from Manoj himself. It is my intention to vote that way and this time I'd like my vote to be counted in the way I intended... -- Marcelo | Carrot was two metres tall but he'd been brought up as [EMAIL PROTECTED] | a dwarf, and then further up as a human. | -- (Terry Pratchett, Men at Arms) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 12:06:10AM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: I just want to remind everyone about how this voting works under the hood. You are better off not leaving options blank, for the simple reason that leaving it blank means your vote does not count against that option (the things you vote for are not considered against the thing you left blank). One side affect of this is that if you only put a number next to one person's name, and leave the rest blank, your vote pretty much means nothing. If you want to select one person, and leave the rest equally, you could put a 1 for the person (or thing) you like, and mark the rest as 2. Which means the one option you like is more important than the rest, but the rest are not more important than each other. Yes, this is confusing. The only reason I understand it is because I've read the code and researched the concorde process in some detail. Thats very strange. So if I only consider one candidate vorthy of a vote, and fill in just one square, my vote means nothing? That dosent seem right :) Thanks, Norbert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Norbert == Norbert Veber wrote: Norbert Thats very strange. So if I only consider one candidate vorthy Norbert of a vote, and fill in just one square, my vote means nothing? Norbert That dosent seem right :) It makes sense if you understand how Concorde voting works. To vote this way under the system we're using (as I understand it), vote for the candidate you believe worthy as #1, vote none of the above as #2, and the rest of the candidates as #3. I'm pretty sure of this, anyway. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. thanks, -chris -- (I subscribe to all lists that I post to; please do not Cc me on list reply) Chris Danis [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux - www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
Norbert Veber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thats very strange. So if I only consider one candidate vorthy of a vote, and fill in just one square, my vote means nothing? That dosent seem right :) The code Manoj posted seems to match your intuition rather than Ben's description: # On , expect the processed votes, of the form: #V: -324-1 # interpreted as rating the 6th option as your 1st preference, etc # Assumes options 2, 3, 4 and 6 are all preferred over options 1 and # 5, but no preference is given between options 1 and 5 -- Aaron M. Ucko, KB1CJC (amu at alum.mit.edu, ucko at debian.org) Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more info. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
On Wed, 2002-03-27 at 00:06, Ben Collins wrote: I just want to remind everyone about how this voting works under the hood. You are better off not leaving options blank, for the simple reason that leaving it blank means your vote does not count against that option (the things you vote for are not considered against the thing you left blank). With this new information comes a question which I probably know the answer to from past votings, but can't come up with right now: Can we re-vote, and have the later vote supercede the earlier one? -- Joe Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please encrypt email sent to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
On Mar 27, Bdale Garbee wrote: The discussion after last year's vote on this topic seemed to lead to a concensus that we should treat any unmarked choices as being of equal preference, at a preference level below any marked entries. 1. The method is called Condorcet, even though we all want to call it concorde. (Not correcting Bdale here :-) 2. According to http://electionmethods.org/CondorcetEx.htm : The basics of Condorcet voting are best illustrated by example. Suppose an election has four candidates designated A, B, C, and D. Each voter ranks the candidates in order of preference. For example, the vote (B,D,C) ranks B first, D second, and C third. The last choice is implied. Voters are not required to fully rank the entire list. For example, the vote (D,B) indicates that the voter has no preference between A and C. The implication of this statement is that we should treat (example chosen so as not to reveal any bias toward/against any candidate :-): Branden Raphael Bdale 1 None of the Above as NA (Branden = Raphael = Bdale) (where is is preferred to and = is expresses no preference between) Further, the interactive demo at http://www.eskimo.com/~robla/politics/condorcet-front.html implies that valid votes do not have to rank all candidates. (This would be simpler if we had gone back and fixed the voting procedure in the constitution a while back... oh well.) Chris -- Chris Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.lordsutch.com/chris/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
Norbert == Norbert Veber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Norbert Thats very strange. So if I only consider one candidate Norbert vorthy of a vote, and fill in just one square, my vote means Norbert nothing? That dosent seem right :) I would not say it meant nothing. It means that you prefer one candidate, but say nothing about how the other choices stand in respect to each other. It also means that is your candidate does not win you have no preferences. tb If that's what you think, then you rank them thus: tb 1) Your candidate tb 2) None of the above tb 3 and 4) The other two Umm, this is slightly different, in that you assign a value to candidate you vote 3 above the candidate voted 4; also, you indicate that you would rather see further discussion than seeing other people win, this is a stronger anti-everyone-but-my-candidate stance than the one above. You get to decide how stronlgy you feel pro you guy and anti everyone else ;-). Bdale The discussion after last year's vote on this topic seemed to Bdale lead to a concensus that we should treat any unmarked choices Bdale as being of equal preference, at a preference level below any Bdale marked entries. That is indeed how the scripts work. manoj -- The first rule of magic is simple. Don't waste your time waving your hands and hoping when a rock or a club will do. McCloctnik the Lucid Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 02:56:47AM -0300, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 00:06:10 -0500 Ben Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One side affect of this is that if you only put a number next to one person's name, and leave the rest blank, your vote pretty much means nothing. If you want to select one person, and leave the rest equally, you could put a 1 for the person (or thing) you like, and mark the rest as 2. Which means the one option you like is more important than the rest, but the rest are not more important than each other. uh... may we ignore this?: [...] unacceptable blank. Start with 1, don't skip any numbers, don't repeat. To vote no, no matter what do not leave an option [...] Manoj says we may not repeat... that's not a problem for me, at least, but may be for others If we don't accept repeats, then don't do them. I specifically remember that concorde voting allowed for it though, in the case of options A, B, C and D, if I prefer A and B the same, and C and D equally negative, I would vote 1,1,2,2. The voting mechanism would record this as: A over C A over D B over C B over D Where as if I vote 1,2,3,4, the voting mechanism would record it as: A over B A over C A over D B over C B over D C over D Manoj needs to confirm that the voting scripts don't accept the former. -- .--==-=====-=-. / Ben Collins--Debian GNU/Linux \ ` [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' `---=-----==-===---=--=---' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 05:07:31PM -0500, Norbert Veber wrote: On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 12:06:10AM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: I just want to remind everyone about how this voting works under the hood. You are better off not leaving options blank, for the simple reason that leaving it blank means your vote does not count against that option (the things you vote for are not considered against the thing you left blank). One side affect of this is that if you only put a number next to one person's name, and leave the rest blank, your vote pretty much means nothing. If you want to select one person, and leave the rest equally, you could put a 1 for the person (or thing) you like, and mark the rest as 2. Which means the one option you like is more important than the rest, but the rest are not more important than each other. Yes, this is confusing. The only reason I understand it is because I've read the code and researched the concorde process in some detail. Thats very strange. So if I only consider one candidate vorthy of a vote, and fill in just one square, my vote means nothing? That dosent seem right :) That's the way concorde voting works. It's all about prefering one candidate over another. If you only like one, mark them 1, and everything else as 2. -- .--==-=====-=-. / Ben Collins--Debian GNU/Linux \ ` [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' `---=-----==-===---=--=---' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
Norbert Veber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thats very strange. So if I only consider one candidate vorthy of a vote, and fill in just one square, my vote means nothing? That dosent seem right :) If that's what you think, then you rank them thus: 1) Your candidate 2) None of the above 3 and 4) The other two Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Norbert == Norbert Veber wrote: Norbert Thats very strange. So if I only consider one candidate vorthy Norbert of a vote, and fill in just one square, my vote means nothing? Norbert That dosent seem right :) It makes sense if you understand how Concorde voting works. To vote this way under the system we're using (as I understand it), vote for the candidate you believe worthy as #1, vote none of the above as #2, and the rest of the candidates as #3. I'm pretty sure of this, anyway. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. thanks, -chris -- (I subscribe to all lists that I post to; please do not Cc me on list reply) Chris Danis [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux - www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Norbert Veber) writes: One side affect of this is that if you only put a number next to one person's name, and leave the rest blank, your vote pretty much means nothing. Thats very strange. So if I only consider one candidate vorthy of a vote, and fill in just one square, my vote means nothing? That dosent seem right :) The discussion after last year's vote on this topic seemed to lead to a concensus that we should treat any unmarked choices as being of equal preference, at a preference level below any marked entries. Manoj, your thoughts on the subject? Bdale -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
Norbert Veber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thats very strange. So if I only consider one candidate vorthy of a vote, and fill in just one square, my vote means nothing? That dosent seem right :) The code Manoj posted seems to match your intuition rather than Ben's description: # On , expect the processed votes, of the form: #V: -324-1 # interpreted as rating the 6th option as your 1st preference, etc # Assumes options 2, 3, 4 and 6 are all preferred over options 1 and # 5, but no preference is given between options 1 and 5 -- Aaron M. Ucko, KB1CJC (amu at alum.mit.edu, ucko at debian.org) Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more info. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
On Wed, 2002-03-27 at 00:06, Ben Collins wrote: I just want to remind everyone about how this voting works under the hood. You are better off not leaving options blank, for the simple reason that leaving it blank means your vote does not count against that option (the things you vote for are not considered against the thing you left blank). With this new information comes a question which I probably know the answer to from past votings, but can't come up with right now: Can we re-vote, and have the later vote supercede the earlier one? -- Joe Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please encrypt email sent to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
I just want to remind everyone about how this voting works under the hood. You are better off not leaving options blank, for the simple reason that leaving it blank means your vote does not count against that option (the things you vote for are not considered against the thing you left blank). One side affect of this is that if you only put a number next to one person's name, and leave the rest blank, your vote pretty much means nothing. If you want to select one person, and leave the rest equally, you could put a 1 for the person (or thing) you like, and mark the rest as 2. Which means the one option you like is more important than the rest, but the rest are not more important than each other. Yes, this is confusing. The only reason I understand it is because I've read the code and researched the concorde process in some detail. Ben -- .--==-=====-=-. / Ben Collins--Debian GNU/Linux \ ` [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' `---=-----==-===---=--=---' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
I just want to remind everyone about how this voting works under the hood. You are better off not leaving options blank, for the simple reason that leaving it blank means your vote does not count against that option (the things you vote for are not considered against the thing you left blank). One side affect of this is that if you only put a number next to one person's name, and leave the rest blank, your vote pretty much means nothing. If you want to select one person, and leave the rest equally, you could put a 1 for the person (or thing) you like, and mark the rest as 2. Which means the one option you like is more important than the rest, but the rest are not more important than each other. Yes, this is confusing. The only reason I understand it is because I've read the code and researched the concorde process in some detail. Ben -- .--==-=====-=-. / Ben Collins--Debian GNU/Linux \ ` [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' `---=-----==-===---=--=---' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for votes for the debian project leader election 2002
On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 00:06:10 -0500 Ben Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One side affect of this is that if you only put a number next to one person's name, and leave the rest blank, your vote pretty much means nothing. If you want to select one person, and leave the rest equally, you could put a 1 for the person (or thing) you like, and mark the rest as 2. Which means the one option you like is more important than the rest, but the rest are not more important than each other. uh... may we ignore this?: [...] unacceptable blank. Start with 1, don't skip any numbers, don't repeat. To vote no, no matter what do not leave an option [...] Manoj says we may not repeat... that's not a problem for me, at least, but may be for others []s! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gustavo Noronha http://www.metainfo.org/kov Debian: http://www.debian.org * http://debian-br.cipsga.org.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
