Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bayesian filtering

2002-09-23 Thread R. Scott Perry


Has anyone seen anything about this .. Any good or bad ? .. Bayesian
filtering .. Check this link http://www.paulgraham.com/filters.html

Scott are you thinking along any of these line for the future of
Declude?

Here's part of an E-mail that I posted previously:

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The concept is flawed, but sounds like it could work well if implemented 
properly.  It's essentially the same thing that the heuristics test (which 
never made it out of beta) does, except that the heuristics test only looks 
at about 100 different aspects of the E-mail (not necessarily individual 
words).

The flaw is that it is based on the Bayes Rule, but doesn't meet its 
conditions (the individual probabilities used must not be related to each 
other, but they are in this situation).  For example, if you have 10 spams 
that each have the term This is a spam in them, and it's determined that 
each word has a 99% chance of indicating spam (IE if the word This 
appears in an E-mail, there's a 99% chance it is spam), the Bayes Rule 
would say that an E-mail with This is a spam would have about a 99.9% 
chance of being spam (when in reality, I believe it would only have a 99% 
chance of being spam).  This probability stuff gets pretty complex unless 
you've taken a probability and statistics course recently (and did well in it).

Another problem is that you need a good database of legitimate E-mail to 
work with, which is harder to obtain than a good database of spam (which 
isn't always easy to get).  If you just use E-mail to a specific person, it 
will skew the results.

We are doing some testing here to see if the concept could work well (as it 
seems to for Paul Graham).
-Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Base 64 test

2002-09-23 Thread Madscientist

Anecdotally this makes a lot of sense. It was primarily porn spam that
caused us to move our filterchain module development forward in the sniffer
program.
_M

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]Since implementing the base 64 test, I am noticing that adult junkmail
]that is in HTML format is getting caught by this.
]
]As I am out of the office this week and working from home, when I have
]time I am going to investigate this further.
]
]Any one else noticing this?
]
]John Tolmachoff
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[Declude.JunkMail] Yahoo Abuse Account

2002-09-23 Thread Avolve Support

What's a good rule or configuration that people have used for Yahoo. Seems Yahoo ( at 
least groups ) fails the abuse test when they do have an abuse account.

I've been testing out the junkmail and went hog wild and well you can't please 
everyone all the time.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Yahoo Abuse Account

2002-09-23 Thread Avolve Support

Ok I got an extra of the email I sent to the list with subject line modified and one 
without. Hmm. Wonder if I'll get a second of this one.

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What's a good rule or configuration that people have used for Yahoo. Seems Yahoo ( at 
least groups ) fails the abuse test when they do have an abuse account.

I've been testing out the junkmail and went hog wild and well you can't please 
everyone all the time.

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[Declude.JunkMail] Junkmail - Spamheaders

2002-09-23 Thread Hirthe, Alexander

Hello,

I try to play Junkmail, but it won't work.

we host some websites, and they are sending mail over our primary
mailserver. 

If the website uses ASPMail, the mail will fail because of 
Code: 420f. The E-mail failed the SPAMHEADERS test.
This E-mail is missing a Message-ID: header. Although it is legal not to
have one, the RFCs say that E-mails SHOULD have this (which, in RFC terms,
means that you must have the Message-ID: header or accept the consequences
-- in this case, the E-mail may be treated as spam). Note that you may see a
Message-ID: header; if so, it was one that IMail added later.

If the website uses WTMail (very old Webtrends Product ;-) 
Code: c040120f. The E-mail failed the BADHEADERS and SPAMHEADERS tests.
This E-mail has a bogus time zone in the Date: header.
The Timezone is really strange: [Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:18:56
+429496729500]

So most of the mails sent from our own sites fail many usefull tests :(
I can't modify the header for WTMail, but I also can't migrate all websites
to Aspmail. 
And with Aspmail, there is no Message-ID ;-(

And if I use another tool, the webserver itself has no reverse lookup and no
MX entry. 
It does not need this, because it will only send mail.

Is it really usefull to whitelist all my adresses? 
I feel a bit strange about this idea. 

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Junkmail - Spamheaders

2002-09-23 Thread R. Scott Perry


If the website uses ASPMail, the mail will fail because of
Code: 420f. The E-mail failed the SPAMHEADERS test.
This E-mail is missing a Message-ID: header.

For this, you should upgrade ASPMail to the latest version (or ask them 
what the good reason is for not having the Message-ID: header).

If the website uses WTMail (very old Webtrends Product ;-)
Code: c040120f. The E-mail failed the BADHEADERS and SPAMHEADERS tests.
This E-mail has a bogus time zone in the Date: header.
The Timezone is really strange: [Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:18:56
+429496729500]

G  I wonder if that crashes any mail clients...

So most of the mails sent from our own sites fail many usefull tests :(
I can't modify the header for WTMail, but I also can't migrate all websites
to Aspmail.

Do you realize that all the servers using WTMail are sending mail that many 
mail clients will hide at the bottom of the inbox, because of the invalid 
time zone?  And that other mailservers may just delete the E-mail, because 
it is broken?

A few years ago, sending broken E-mail was OK.  However, given the amount 
of spam that exists today, sending broken E-mail is no longer acceptable.

And with Aspmail, there is no Message-ID ;-(

Note that there is a LOOSENSPAMHEADERS ON option you can use to get the 
SPAMHEADERS test not to check for the Message-ID: header.  However, this 
will only prevent the E-mail from failing the test on your server, not 
other servers.  :)

Is it really usefull to whitelist all my adresses?
I feel a bit strange about this idea.

Whitelisting your webservers will make it look like the problem is fixed on 
your end, but if the mail gets sent out to other servers (and isn't just 
internal mail), then the mail may still get caught on other systems.

Note that a *lot* of mail generated by webservers fails the SPAMHEADERS 
test (whereas almost no mail from mail clients will fail the test).
 -Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Junkmail - Spamheaders

2002-09-23 Thread John Tolmachoff

And if I use another tool, the webserver itself has no reverse lookup
and no MX entry. 
It does not need this, because it will only send mail.

But why not eliminate one test failure and create a PTR record for it?

Is it really useful to whitelist all my addresses?

Unless some one else can come up with something different, in this case
it would help. Just whitelist the address that the mail is coming from
on the Webserver. If your Webserver is IIS, why not have it send the
mails through the Virtual SMTP server?

John Tolmachoff
IT Manager, Network Engineer
RelianceSoft, Inc.
Fullerton, CA  92835
www.reliancesoft.com


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hijack

2002-09-23 Thread John Tolmachoff

I agree, but our commerce server seems to be having a problem resolving
domains, so until I have the time to figure that problem out, I am
having our mail server deliver the messages.

PS, Declude Queue does help.

John Tolmachoff
IT Manager, Network Engineer
RelianceSoft, Inc.
Fullerton, CA  92835
www.reliancesoft.com


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Imail and large batches of e-mail --

We tried it, didn't work well, mostly because of queue problems.  We
didn't know about Declude Queue at that point.

Rob


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Junkmail - Spamheaders

2002-09-23 Thread Hirthe, Alexander

Hello Scott,

 For this, you should upgrade ASPMail to the latest version 
 (or ask them what the good reason is for not having the Message-ID:
header).
it is the latest version ;-/ I'll try to ask them.

 Do you realize that all the servers using WTMail are sending 
 mail that many  mail clients will hide at the bottom of the inbox,
because 
 of the invalid time zone?  And that other mailservers may just delete the 
 E-mail, because it is broken?
yes, I do. 

 A few years ago, sending broken E-mail was OK.  However, 
 given the amount of spam that exists today, sending broken E-mail is no
longer acceptable.
We _are_ migrating from WTMail to ASPMail, but this will take some more time
(I _hope_ we will finish this year :-)

 Note that there is a LOOSENSPAMHEADERS ON option you can 
 use to get the SPAMHEADERS test not to check for the Message-ID: header.  
 However, this will only prevent the E-mail from failing the test on your 
 server, not other servers.  :)
does IMail/Declude give the mail a valid Message-ID?
We sent all mail from our Webservers to IMail, to avoid the Webservers
sending mail to the world.
IMail send's it to the world.

 Whitelisting your webservers will make it look like the  
 problem is fixed on your end, but if the mail gets sent out to other
servers (and 
 isn't just internal mail), then the mail may still get caught on other
systems.
ok, I understand this for the broken timezone, but for the message-ID? I
thought IMail would add it? 

 Note that a *lot* of mail generated by webservers fails the 
 SPAMHEADERS test (whereas almost no mail from mail clients will fail the
test).
ok, so I'm not the only one. I'm beginning to feel better ;-)

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Junkmail - Spamheaders

2002-09-23 Thread R. Scott Perry


  Note that there is a LOOSENSPAMHEADERS ON option you can
  use to get the SPAMHEADERS test not to check for the Message-ID: header.
  However, this will only prevent the E-mail from failing the test on your
  server, not other servers.  :)
does IMail/Declude give the mail a valid Message-ID?
We sent all mail from our Webservers to IMail, to avoid the Webservers
sending mail to the world.
IMail send's it to the world.

IMail will add a Message-ID: header if none is present, so if the mail is 
only sent through the IMail server, it will have a Message-ID: header.

  Whitelisting your webservers will make it look like the
  problem is fixed on your end, but if the mail gets sent out to other 
 servers (and
  isn't just internal mail), then the mail may still get caught on other 
 systems.
ok, I understand this for the broken timezone, but for the message-ID? I
thought IMail would add it?

Yes -- *if* the mail goes through IMail.  If the webserver delivers it 
directly to the recipient, or if the webserver is changed to use another 
mailserver, the problem will occur again for outgoing mail.
-Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Junkmail - Spamheaders

2002-09-23 Thread Hirthe, Alexander

Hello John,

 And if I use another tool, the webserver itself has no reverse lookup
 and no MX entry. It does not need this, because it will only send mail.
 But why not eliminate one test failure and create a PTR record for it?
We are only forwarding the mail from the webserver to IMail, and IMail
send's it out.
So this PTR would only be for the communication on our internal network. 
But, hmm, ok, it would fix a part of this problem. 
And it does only cost me time. And I have the DNS here. 

I'll try it. ;-)

 Unless some one else can come up with something different, in 
 this case it would help. Just whitelist the address that the mail is
coming from
 on the Webserver. If your Webserver is IIS, why not have it send the
 mails through the Virtual SMTP server?
First, I don't like Webservers sending direct mail to the world
Second, I like virus-proof mails and attachements. (we had user's sending
out word files with a macro virus in)
Third, I personally don't like the IIS SMTP Server. 
And I like to have only one logfile to search for errors ;)

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Junkmail - Spamheaders

2002-09-23 Thread Tom Baker | Netsmith Inc

Well you are not taking into account systems like mine, which have a setup
like
HOP 0
HOPHIGH 4

Yes it adds CPU time, but any IP the message passes through gets tested on
my system,
And a PTR record does not take long to configure at all.

 on the Webserver. If your Webserver is IIS, why not have it send the 
 mails through the Virtual SMTP server?

What about when for XXX reason your Imail-SMTP server was unavailable when
the WEB/CGI script was called?
The message NEVER gets queued.
I personally do install the MS-SMTP server on my web servers, 
but do not let it deliver directly to the internet either.

I Set all CGI/ASP mail scripts to send mail to 127.0.01 or WEB_IP (but
on the local machine),
Thus the SMTP server is ALWAYS online when that same web server is online.
 Then under Properties, Delivery, Advanced Smart Host = [192.168.1.1] 
(brackets stop DNS lookups = save time)

-Tom


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From: Hirthe, Alexander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 10:40 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Junkmail - Spamheaders


Hello John,

 And if I use another tool, the webserver itself has no reverse lookup
 and no MX entry. It does not need this, because it will only send 
 mail. But why not eliminate one test failure and create a PTR record 
 for it?
We are only forwarding the mail from the webserver to IMail, and IMail
send's it out. So this PTR would only be for the communication on our
internal network. 
But, hmm, ok, it would fix a part of this problem. 
And it does only cost me time. And I have the DNS here. 

I'll try it. ;-)

 Unless some one else can come up with something different, in
 this case it would help. Just whitelist the address that the mail is
coming from
 on the Webserver. If your Webserver is IIS, why not have it send the 
 mails through the Virtual SMTP server?
First, I don't like Webservers sending direct mail to the world Second, I
like virus-proof mails and attachements. (we had user's sending out word
files with a macro virus in) Third, I personally don't like the IIS SMTP
Server. 
And I like to have only one logfile to search for errors ;)

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude -diag response

2002-09-23 Thread R. Scott Perry


-diag response says that

Declude Junkmail:  Config file not found (M:\imail\Declude\global.CFG).

Global.cfg is there and declude appears to be functioning just fine

That is unusual.

Is that the correct location (M:\imail\Declude\global.cfg)?  Is the file 
named *exactly* like that (no .txt extension, _ in the name, etc.)?

Then, the I hate to ask question:  are you sure it doesn't say Declude 
Junkmail:  Config file found (M:\imail\Declude\global.CFG), with no not 
in there?
 -Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude -diag response

2002-09-23 Thread Marv Gordon

DOH!

What the heck was I looking at... You are correct.  There is NOT a NOT! 

I should have stayed on vacation!

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-diag response says that

Declude Junkmail:  Config file not found (M:\imail\Declude\global.CFG).

Global.cfg is there and declude appears to be functioning just fine

That is unusual.

Is that the correct location (M:\imail\Declude\global.cfg)?  Is the file

named *exactly* like that (no .txt extension, _ in the name, etc.)?

Then, the I hate to ask question:  are you sure it doesn't say
Declude 
Junkmail:  Config file found (M:\imail\Declude\global.CFG), with no
not 
in there?
 -Scott

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[Declude.JunkMail] Upgrade to sniffer 1.1

2002-09-23 Thread Marv Gordon

Sniffer logfile shows nothing but matches (example below).  Have not
seen a clean entry since the upgrade today.




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sniffer 20020923172329  D4e11001e00dcc072.SMD   70  0   Match
10222   46  0   0   5
sniffer 20020923172335  D4e16001f00dcd538.SMD   60  0   Match
10222   46  0   0   5
sniffer 20020923172515  D4e790003011a5901.SMD   60  0   Match
10222   46  0   0   5
sniffer 20020923172517  D4e7b0004011a6106.SMD   60  0   Match
10222   46  0   0   5
sniffer 20020923172545  D4e980005011ad1c3.SMD   60  0   Match
10222   46  0   0   5
sniffer 20020923172626  D4ec1002300dc710e.SMD   60  0   Match
10222   46  0   0   5
sniffer 20020923172702  D4ee4002400dcfa3e.SMD   60  0   Match
10222   46  0   0   5

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Upgrade to sniffer 1.1

2002-09-23 Thread Madscientist

This rule 10222 should match only a specific email address... however
the scan index and ended are both z which is not possible.

It is likley you have a corrupted .snf file.

Hope this helps,
_M


| -Original Message-
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| [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marv Gordon
| Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 1:31 PM
| To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Upgrade to sniffer 1.1
| 
| 
| Sniffer logfile shows nothing but matches (example below).  
| Have not seen a clean entry since the upgrade today.
| 
| 
| 
| 
| sniffer   20020923165941  D4876000800deda6b.SMD   60  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923170147  D48f8000900ded796.SMD   60  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923170245  D493a00deb0b2.SMD   60  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923170307  D494a000b00de183e.SMD   60  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923170309  D494c000c00de2165.SMD   60  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923170448  D49bd00dea5ce.SMD   70  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923170451  D49b2000900dcaeec.SMD   60  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923170456  D49b7000a00dcc004.SMD   60  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923170531  D49ca000b00dc0b20.SMD   70  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923170545  D49e7000c00dc7f12.SMD   60  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923170601  D49f7000d00dcbcd7.SMD   60  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923170640  D4a1e000e00dc53a5.SMD   70  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923170951  D4add001000dc401a.SMD   60  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923171653  D4c85000300e0b593.SMD   60  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923171700  D4c63000f00de334f.SMD   60  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923171702  D4c8d001000ded45c.SMD   110 
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923171702  D4c8d000400e0d498.SMD   121 
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923171737  D4caf000500e0597b.SMD   70  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923171843  D4c43001200dcb2f6.SMD   70  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923172032  D4d5a001500dcf673.SMD   71  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923172106  D4d82001600dc90e4.SMD   60  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923172112  D4d88001700dca993.SMD   60  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923172142  D4da6001800dc1dd6.SMD   60  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923172216  D4dc7001900dc9ff2.SMD   70  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923172226  D4dd2001a00dccbd6.SMD   70  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923172243  D4de3001b00dc0d16.SMD   70  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923172251  D4dea001c00dc29b9.SMD   61  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923172313  D4e1d00dc7dca.SMD   60  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923172329  D4e11001e00dcc072.SMD   70  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923172335  D4e16001f00dcd538.SMD   60  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923172515  D4e790003011a5901.SMD   60  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923172517  D4e7b0004011a6106.SMD   60  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923172545  D4e980005011ad1c3.SMD   60  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923172626  D4ec1002300dc710e.SMD   60  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
| sniffer   20020923172702  D4ee4002400dcfa3e.SMD   60  
| 0 Match
| 10222 46  0   0   5
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Junkmail - Spamheaders

2002-09-23 Thread John Tolmachoff

And I like to have only one logfile to search for errors ;)

Good point.

John Tolmachoff
IT Manager, Network Engineer
RelianceSoft, Inc.
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[Declude.JunkMail] Filter types and Definitions?

2002-09-23 Thread Tom


I was wondering if someone could post the filter types and definitions.
For example, I found these and I'm sure there are more.

BODY10  CONTAINSif the Body contains a word or phrase
HELO10  CONTAINSif the HELO command contains a word or phrase
MAILFROM10  CONTAINSif the MAILFROM contains a word or phrase
REMOTEIP10  IS  if the REMOTEIP IS
REVDNS  10  ENDSWITHif REVDNS ENDSWITH
SUBJECT 10  CONTAINSif the SUBJECT contains a word or phrase
BODY10  CONTAINSif the BODY contains a word or phrase


PS: or just point me to the url.

Regards,
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter types and Definitions?

2002-09-23 Thread R. Scott Perry


I was wondering if someone could post the filter types and definitions.
For example, I found these and I'm sure there are more.

BODY10  CONTAINSif the Body contains a word or phrase
HELO10  CONTAINSif the HELO command contains a 
word or phrase
MAILFROM10  CONTAINSif the MAILFROM contains a word or 
phrase
REMOTEIP10  IS  if the REMOTEIP IS
REVDNS  10  ENDSWITHif REVDNS ENDSWITH
SUBJECT 10  CONTAINSif the SUBJECT contains a word or 
phrase
BODY10  CONTAINSif the BODY contains a word or phrase

It's in the manual now.  You can filter on SUBJECT, HELO, BODY, MAILFROM, 
REMOTEIP or REVDNS.  Those will filter the subject, the HELO/EHLO hostname, 
the return address, the remote IP address, or the reverse DNS entry of the 
remote IP address.

You can use CONTAINS, STARTSWITH, ENDSWITH, or IS for determining a 
match.  They are pretty much self-explanatory -- IS is an exact match 
(hi matches just hi, not hi there or I said hi), STARTSWITH looks 
for something that starts with your filter (hi would match hi or hi 
there, but not I said hi), ENDSWITH looks for a match at the end (hi 
would match hi and I said hi, but not hi there), and CONTAINS matches 
anything that has your filter in it (hi would match hi, I said hi, 
hi there, and even white).
-Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter types and Definitions?

2002-09-23 Thread Jerod M. Bennett

Would it be possible to add CONTAINSWORD so white wouldn't be caught?

Obviously, I understand it complicates things because you have to deal
with things like hi.  Perhaps you can just search for the word
surrounded by non-letters and numbers.

Just a thought.

Jerod M. Bennett
Director of Media Production
Pixelpushers, Inc.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 1:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter types and Definitions?



I was wondering if someone could post the filter types and definitions.

For example, I found these and I'm sure there are more.

BODY10  CONTAINSif the Body contains a word or
phrase
HELO10  CONTAINSif the HELO command contains a 
word or phrase
MAILFROM10  CONTAINSif the MAILFROM contains a word
or 
phrase
REMOTEIP10  IS  if the REMOTEIP IS
REVDNS  10  ENDSWITHif REVDNS ENDSWITH
SUBJECT 10  CONTAINSif the SUBJECT contains a word
or 
phrase
BODY10  CONTAINSif the BODY contains a word or
phrase

It's in the manual now.  You can filter on SUBJECT, HELO, BODY,
MAILFROM, 
REMOTEIP or REVDNS.  Those will filter the subject, the HELO/EHLO
hostname, 
the return address, the remote IP address, or the reverse DNS entry of
the 
remote IP address.

You can use CONTAINS, STARTSWITH, ENDSWITH, or IS for determining a 
match.  They are pretty much self-explanatory -- IS is an exact match 
(hi matches just hi, not hi there or I said hi), STARTSWITH
looks 
for something that starts with your filter (hi would match hi or hi

there, but not I said hi), ENDSWITH looks for a match at the end
(hi 
would match hi and I said hi, but not hi there), and CONTAINS
matches 
anything that has your filter in it (hi would match hi, I said hi,

hi there, and even white).
-Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter types and Definitions?

2002-09-23 Thread R. Scott Perry


Would it be possible to add CONTAINSWORD so white wouldn't be caught?

It is unlikely that that would get added.  The problem is that it adds a 
significant amount of extra processing time (especially when the headers or 
the body of the E-mail is scanned), and requires coming up with a way to 
define exact what a word is (IE does should hi-there match?  What about 
Hi! or $$$HI$$$).
 -Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter types and Definitions?

2002-09-23 Thread Tom Baker | Netsmith Inc

Don't forget HEADERS!

I don't see it in the manual, but it was added and I am using it

:)

-Original Message-
From: R. Scott Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 3:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter types and Definitions?



I was wondering if someone could post the filter types and definitions. 
For example, I found these and I'm sure there are more.

BODY10  CONTAINSif the Body contains a word or
phrase
HELO10  CONTAINSif the HELO command contains a 
word or phrase
MAILFROM10  CONTAINSif the MAILFROM contains a word or 
phrase
REMOTEIP10  IS  if the REMOTEIP IS
REVDNS  10  ENDSWITHif REVDNS ENDSWITH
SUBJECT 10  CONTAINSif the SUBJECT contains a word or 
phrase
BODY10  CONTAINSif the BODY contains a word or
phrase

It's in the manual now.  You can filter on SUBJECT, HELO, BODY, MAILFROM, 
REMOTEIP or REVDNS.  Those will filter the subject, the HELO/EHLO hostname, 
the return address, the remote IP address, or the reverse DNS entry of the 
remote IP address.

You can use CONTAINS, STARTSWITH, ENDSWITH, or IS for determining a 
match.  They are pretty much self-explanatory -- IS is an exact match 
(hi matches just hi, not hi there or I said hi), STARTSWITH looks 
for something that starts with your filter (hi would match hi or hi 
there, but not I said hi), ENDSWITH looks for a match at the end (hi 
would match hi and I said hi, but not hi there), and CONTAINS matches 
anything that has your filter in it (hi would match hi, I said hi, 
hi there, and even white).
-Scott

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[Declude.JunkMail] negative weight in CFG

2002-09-23 Thread Tom


How does one go about creating a negative weight 
for the following CFG example:

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WLIST   fromfiled:\imail\declude\allowed.txtx   0   0
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Regards,
Tom
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[Declude.JunkMail] BASE64 test

2002-09-23 Thread Jerod M. Bennett

I searched the mail archive and found this example for the BASE64 test
definition

BASE64  base64  x   x   4   0

I have two questions
1) Is this the correct format?
2) Does this test only fail on messages with
  Content-Type: text/html
  Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

It is my assumption that if this is true, currently this is very good
indicator of spam.
Is this assumption correct?

Jerod M. Bennett
Director of Media Production
Pixelpushers, Inc.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] BASE64 test

2002-09-23 Thread Tom

 I searched the mail archive and found this example for the 
 BASE64 test definition
 
 BASE64  base64x   x   4   0

BASE64  base64  x   x   4   0

Looks correct.

 
 2) Does this test only fail on messages with
   Content-Type: text/html
   Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

It appears to do exactly that.
 
 It is my assumption that if this is true, currently this is very good
 indicator of spam.  Is this assumption correct?

These messages have been spam, however, I can not speak for others.

Regards,
Tom
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] BASE64 test

2002-09-23 Thread Mark Madson

Will this test work for outgoing mail as well?

-Mark

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 2:54 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] BASE64 test


 I searched the mail archive and found this example for the
 BASE64 test definition

 BASE64  base64x   x   4   0

BASE64  base64  x   x   4   0

Looks correct.


 2) Does this test only fail on messages with
   Content-Type: text/html
   Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

It appears to do exactly that.

 It is my assumption that if this is true, currently this is very good
 indicator of spam.  Is this assumption correct?

These messages have been spam, however, I can not speak for others.

Regards,
Tom
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[Declude.JunkMail] Custom ASP for Declude Pro?

2002-09-23 Thread Zachery Wolfinger

Does anyone have custom .asp code to allow customers to set some of their
own Declude pro settings?

Thank you,
Zachery Wolfinger
Director of IT/IS - Galaxy Holdings, Inc.
888-758-3910
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[Declude.JunkMail] Country file and codes

2002-09-23 Thread Tom


I created a list of countries and found that Declude is
not working the way I thought it should.  Declude checks
the entire string for a match instead of just the tail 
end.  I was under the impression that it examined the
addresses from the tail end and not the beginning.

So if I had .ru, then mail.rude.com would get caught
along with mail.something.com.ru  I guess this means
we will need some sort of way of checking for countries.

Regards,
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BASE64 test

2002-09-23 Thread R. Scott Perry


I searched the mail archive and found this example for the BASE64 test
definition

BASE64  base64  x   x   4   0

I have two questions
1) Is this the correct format?

Yes, it is.  This is a beta feature that is available in v1.60 and higher.

2) Does this test only fail on messages with
   Content-Type: text/html
   Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

It fails on either HTML or text MIME segments that are base64 encoded (so 
it would also fail on Content-Type: text/plain).

[From another E-mail:]

  Will this test work for outgoing mail as well?

Yes, all Declude JunkMail tests can be used for either incoming or outgoing 
E-mail.
 -Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Custom ASP for Declude Pro?

2002-09-23 Thread Aaron Caviglia

I would love to find some as well!

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Monday, September 23, 2002, 3:00:32 PM, you wrote:

ZW Does anyone have custom .asp code to allow customers to set some of their
ZW own Declude pro settings?

ZW Thank you,
ZW Zachery Wolfinger
ZW Director of IT/IS - Galaxy Holdings, Inc.
ZW 888-758-3910
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] negative weight in CFG

2002-09-23 Thread R. Scott Perry


How does one go about creating a negative weight
for the following CFG example:

---
WLIST   fromfiled:\imail\declude\allowed.txtx   0 
  0
---

Negative weight can (unfortunately) mean two different things.  You can have:

 WLIST   fromfiled:\imail\declude\allowed.txtx 
  -1000   0

this line will give the WLIST test a weight of -1000 (which should normally 
result in a total weight of less than 0).  Or, you can have:

 WLIST   fromfiled:\imail\declude\allowed.txtx 
  0   1000

In this case, any E-mail that is NOT caught by the WLIST test would get a 
weight of 1,000.

Assuming that this is a whitelist, you would want the first type (-1000 0).
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter types and Definitions?

2002-09-23 Thread R. Scott Perry


Don't forget HEADERS!

I don't see it in the manual, but it was added and I am using it

Thanks -- it's in the manual now.  I don't know how that one got overlooked...
-Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Country file and codes

2002-09-23 Thread R. Scott Perry


I created a list of countries and found that Declude is
not working the way I thought it should.  Declude checks
the entire string for a match instead of just the tail
end.  I was under the impression that it examined the
addresses from the tail end and not the beginning.

So if I had .ru, then mail.rude.com would get caught
along with mail.something.com.ru  I guess this means
we will need some sort of way of checking for countries.

That is a partial match, and how the domains in the sender blacklists 
work.  That way, .example.com can catch mail.example.com.

We can look into doing a match at the end (ENDSWITH, as the filter would 
use).  The only problem is that you couldn't use something like @example. 
to catch mail from @example.com and @example.net (but I don't know of 
anyone who is doing that).
 -Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Yahoo Abuse Account

2002-09-23 Thread Sanford Whiteman

 Seems Yahoo (at least groups) fails the abuse test when they do have
 an abuse account.

yahoogroups.com  should  not  fail,  but  yahoo.com proper (pardon the
expression)  should  fail  NOABUSE  (they  attempt  to route people to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], which is all well and good, but non-RFC). If
you're  getting improper results from rfc-ignorant, that's a different
issue.

I  don't know what weight you're using for NOABUSE, but it needs to be
lowered  or  perhaps eliminated. You don't want to whitelist yahoo.com
by  domain,  nor  would  whitelisting  their  outgoing  IPs be easy to
maintain  (though someone might have compiled a current list, it could
change without notice).

-Sandy

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] negative weight in CFG

2002-09-23 Thread Tom


 Negative weight can (unfortunately) mean two different things.  
 You can have:

 Assuming that this is a whitelist, you would want the first type 
 (-1000 0).

Thanks.

Tom
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[Declude.JunkMail] new filters

2002-09-23 Thread Adam Hobach

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone would like to share their filter list, as I am
working on mine right now. I only have about 20 filters in place right that
are working great, but there are so many ways/options. Here are the filters
I am looking for:

SUBJECT
BODY
HEADERS
HELO
MAILFROM
REMOTEIP
REVDNS

If you want to exchange them off the list let me know

Thanks,

Adam


Adam Hobach
CyberLynk Sales/Support
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[Declude.JunkMail] hijack question

2002-09-23 Thread Bill B .

One of our client's got locked out by HiJack (hold2), but it appears to be because of 
inbound mail, not outgoing mail.  This client has an email account at another provider 
which forwards to an account on our server.  He had a few hundred emails from an 
automated program sent to his other account in a short amount of time...and these were 
all automatically forwarded to his account on our server.

But hijack apparently saw these inbound forwarded messages as outgoing even though 
they were being delivered to a local mailbox...and it began holding all mail that came 
from that other mail server's IP Address.

It shouldn't do this should it?  I can send you an example of the held mail along with 
the log entries if you'd like.

Thanks,
Bill


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[Declude.JunkMail] Why is this failing Spamcop

2002-09-23 Thread David Dodell

Why is this IP failing Spamcop?

http://spamcop.net/bl.shtml?162.42.150.35


The link says it falls below the threshold and shouldn't be listed.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Why is this failing SpamCop

2002-09-23 Thread John Tolmachoff

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=162.42.150.35

Shows listed in MAILDEFLECTOR and POSTFIXGATE.

John Tolmachoff
IT Manager, Network Engineer
RelianceSoft, Inc.
Fullerton, CA  92835
www.reliancesoft.com


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Why is this IP failing Spamcop?

http://spamcop.net/bl.shtml?162.42.150.35


The link says it falls below the threshold and shouldn't be listed.

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