Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Calling an Executable - evaluating in multiple tests

2005-01-10 Thread R. Scott Perry

SNIFFER  external  nonzero sniffer.exe authcode 1 0
SNIFFER-SCAMS  external  053 sniffer.exe authcode 2 0
SNIFFER-PORN external  054 sniffer.exe authcode 2 0
SNIFFER-MALWARE external  055 sniffer.exe authcode 3 0
SNIFFER-OBFUSC  external  062 sniffer.exe authcode 2 0
Actually, this should work fine.  Declude JunkMail checks to see that the 
command line is the same (the sniffer.exe authcode, which is the same in 
all the above lines), and if so, it only runs the test if it has not yet 
been run (or if it has, it uses the exit code from when it was 
run).  Declude JunkMail then handles the weights.

So in this case, if Message Sniffer returned an exit code of anything 
except 0, the SNIFFER test would be triggered.  If it returned 53, both the 
SNIFFER test and the SNIFFER-SCAMS test would be triggered.

It should work in the same way as having multiple ip4r tests, one of which 
looks for * and others which look for specific return IPs.

   -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] IMail export users/aliases - IMGate?

2005-01-10 Thread Dan Horne
I posted this to the IMGate list last week to a similar request:

I use this batch file on my Imail server to create the file, then ftp it
over to my IMGate box, scheduled once per hour.  It requires unxutils.

Start syncIMGate.bat---
rem   Make sure we're in the right directory.
m:
cd \Imail\ScheduledTasks

rem   Run ImailUsers.exe to create the list of recips.
ImailUsers.exe

rem   Use sed to put the OK at the end of each line
sed s/$/ OK/ imailusers.txt relay_recipients_unsorted.txt

rem   Sort the list
sort relay_recipients_unsorted.txt relay_recipients_sorted.txt

rem   Make sure there are no duplicates
uniq -i relay_recipients_sorted.txt  relay_recipients.map

rem   FTP the file over to IMGate using the separate
rem   script file syncIMGate.txt for the ftp commands 
ftp -s:syncIMGate.txt

rem   Remove the temporary files
del relay_recipients_unsorted.txt
del relay_recipients_sorted.txt

exit
End syncIMGate.bat---


The following is the ftp command script to send the file to IMGate.  Replace
USERNAME with the appropriate username and PASSWORD with the pw.
Replace imgate.yourdomain.net with your IMGate host name or IP.
Start syncIMGate.txt---
open imgate.yourdomain.net
USERNAME
PASSWORD
cd /etc/postfix
lcd M:\Imail\ScheduledTasks
put relay_recipients.map
quit
End syncIMGate.txt---


Then just add a line like:
05  */1 *   *   *   rootpostmap /etc/postfix/*.map
to your crontab to run postmap once per hour (I have it scheduled for 5
minutes after the Imail job).

HTH 

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Thanks, Sandy.

-d


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 I'm looking for a way to export IMail users and aliases to an IMGate
 cache  server  so  the IMGate can throw 550 errors on bad addresses.
 All help appreciated...

 There's  a  utility  to  do so provided by an IMGate user. Poke around
 their site and mailing list and you'll turn it up.

 --Sandy



 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] IMail export users/aliases - IMGate?

2005-01-10 Thread Dave Doherty
Thanks Dan!
This will be my first experience with FreeBSD (or any *nix, for that 
matter), so it should be a real adventure.

-d
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From: Dan Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 8:18 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] IMail export users/aliases - IMGate?


I posted this to the IMGate list last week to a similar request:
I use this batch file on my Imail server to create the file, then ftp it
over to my IMGate box, scheduled once per hour.  It requires unxutils.
Start syncIMGate.bat---
rem   Make sure we're in the right directory.
m:
cd \Imail\ScheduledTasks
rem   Run ImailUsers.exe to create the list of recips.
ImailUsers.exe
rem   Use sed to put the OK at the end of each line
sed s/$/ OK/ imailusers.txt relay_recipients_unsorted.txt
rem   Sort the list
sort relay_recipients_unsorted.txt relay_recipients_sorted.txt
rem   Make sure there are no duplicates
uniq -i relay_recipients_sorted.txt  relay_recipients.map
rem   FTP the file over to IMGate using the separate
rem   script file syncIMGate.txt for the ftp commands
ftp -s:syncIMGate.txt
rem   Remove the temporary files
del relay_recipients_unsorted.txt
del relay_recipients_sorted.txt
exit
End syncIMGate.bat---
The following is the ftp command script to send the file to IMGate. 
Replace
USERNAME with the appropriate username and PASSWORD with the pw.
Replace imgate.yourdomain.net with your IMGate host name or IP.
Start syncIMGate.txt---
open imgate.yourdomain.net
USERNAME
PASSWORD
cd /etc/postfix
lcd M:\Imail\ScheduledTasks
put relay_recipients.map
quit
End syncIMGate.txt---

Then just add a line like:
05 */1 * * * root postmap /etc/postfix/*.map
to your crontab to run postmap once per hour (I have it scheduled for 5
minutes after the Imail job).
HTH
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Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] IMail export users/aliases - IMGate?
Thanks, Sandy.
-d
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From: Sanford Whiteman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Dave Doherty Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 1:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] IMail export users/aliases - IMGate?

I'm looking for a way to export IMail users and aliases to an IMGate
cache  server  so  the IMGate can throw 550 errors on bad addresses.
All help appreciated...
There's  a  utility  to  do so provided by an IMGate user. Poke around
their site and mailing list and you'll turn it up.
--Sandy


Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Calling an Executable - evaluating in multiple tests

2005-01-10 Thread Dan Horne
FWIW, we use the Sniffer tests in this way.  We assign 2/3 our hold weight
to SNIFFER nonzero, then if it also fails the porn, scams, malware tests it
gets the other third. 

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Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Calling an Executable - evaluating in
multiple tests


 SNIFFER  external  nonzero sniffer.exe authcode 1 0

 SNIFFER-SCAMS  external  053 sniffer.exe authcode 2 0
 SNIFFER-PORN external  054 sniffer.exe authcode 2 0
 SNIFFER-MALWARE external  055 sniffer.exe authcode 3 0
 SNIFFER-OBFUSC  external  062 sniffer.exe authcode 2 0

Actually, this should work fine.  Declude JunkMail checks to see that the
command line is the same (the sniffer.exe authcode, which is the same in
all the above lines), and if so, it only runs the test if it has not yet
been run (or if it has, it uses the exit code from when it was run).
Declude JunkMail then handles the weights.

So in this case, if Message Sniffer returned an exit code of anything except
0, the SNIFFER test would be triggered.  If it returned 53, both the SNIFFER
test and the SNIFFER-SCAMS test would be triggered.

It should work in the same way as having multiple ip4r tests, one of which
looks for * and others which look for specific return IPs.

-Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Calling an Executable - evaluating in multiple tests

2005-01-10 Thread Andy Schmidt
Thanks everyone who responded on and off-list.  Yes, log files, headers -
everything indicates that Declude functions as designed.

Since I was un-categorically told that this was as mis-configuration and
subject to Delude's error handling, I felt I better double-check my
knowledge how Declude was designed to work. Sorry for the false alarm.


Best Regards
Andy Schmidt

Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
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multiple tests


FWIW, we use the Sniffer tests in this way.  We assign 2/3 our hold weight
to SNIFFER nonzero, then if it also fails the porn, scams, malware tests it
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[Declude.JunkMail] High smtp traffic

2005-01-10 Thread Markus Gufler
Anyone else can see an abnormal high smtp traffic this minutes?

I haven't identified completely but something strnage is going one here. Lot
of NDR's 

Markus


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] High smtp traffic

2005-01-10 Thread Pete McNeil
On Monday, January 10, 2005, 12:10:32 PM, Markus wrote:

MG Anyone else can see an abnormal high smtp traffic this minutes?

MG I haven't identified completely but something strnage is going one here. Lot
MG of NDR's 

We have been seeing what I would classify as a severe spam storm today
starting at about 0100 EST. 553 new rules so far today (and it is
early).

This might be related.

_M



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] High smtp traffic

2005-01-10 Thread Dave Doherty
Nothing unusual here at the moment.
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To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:10 PM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] High smtp traffic


Anyone else can see an abnormal high smtp traffic this minutes?
I haven't identified completely but something strnage is going one here. 
Lot
of NDR's

Markus
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] High smtp traffic

2005-01-10 Thread Markus Gufler

 Anyone else can see an abnormal high smtp traffic this minutes?
 
 I haven't identified completely but something strnage is 
 going one here. Lot of NDR's 

False alarm.
Just another genius sending around promotional messages to 500 recipients
all listed in the to-field.

Certain other MTA's (I believe non correctly configured POP-Connectors)
seems to resend this messages to all other recipients. For some reason this
will happen not once but mutliple times so each recipient is receiving the
same message several hundred times. Last but not least this promotional
message has a 450 kByte attachment. Congratulaions!

Solution?
Haven't found anything else then addign the sender address to the imail kill
file.

Markus



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[Declude.JunkMail] Spam Ratios, specifically: Sniffer and SURBL

2005-01-10 Thread Andy Schmidt
Title: Message



Hi 
Matt,

Well, 
statistics are a tricky thing. When you had posted on the Sniffer or Declude 
lists over the weekendthat I should provide more specific numbers, I had 
no yet understood how you calculated your "percent of SPAM". The key is 
always how one defines 100%. 

Now 
that I read your post on the Sniffer list, I realize what number you are looking 
for. You call it "percent of SPAM", I call it "percent of HELD messages" (which, 
in reality,is only a subset of all Spam.)

Total Messages 
Processed: 13,077Messages That FailedANY Test(s): 11,323 
(86.59%)

Total Messages 
DELETE, HOLD, BOUNCE, ROUTETO:7,737 (59.16%)
Average Message 
Weight: 22.00 (Hold weight is 10)

Note: Before anyone jumps down my throat for the low "hold" ratio, we 
simply whitelist a lot of internal mail based on SMTP AUTH and based on clients' 
static IPs.

Of those 7,737 spam 
messages:

INV-URIBL...7,737...59.16%IPNOTINMX...7,620...58.27%SNIFFER.7,396...56.56% - or 95% of the 
messages that were "held"
 (which, matches your "capture" rate of 95 - 96% 
exactly!)

Note: As stated in my original post, 
Iran additional reports to break out the unique hits by SURBL vs. Sniffer, 
vs. the combined hits. From that I concluded that SURBL is NOT an 
irrelevantsubset of Sniffer - but rather there is about an 80 - 90% 
overlap. On both ends there are messages that one flags - but not the 
other. Thus my previous statement that by using both together I'm able to 
"tag" about 10 - 20% more messages than what each one individually would have 
tagged (tapping into the 40.84% of non-held messages).

NOLEGITCONTENT..7,215...55.17%SPAMCOP.4,611...35.26%XBL-DYNA4,228...32.33%SORBS...4,221...32.28%DSBLSINGLE..3,686...28.19%REVDNS..2,967...22.69%WEIGHTFILTER2,841...21.73%SORBS-DUHL..2,436...18.63%HELOBOGUS...2,277...17.41%SENDERDB-BLOCK..2,095...16.02%SPAMROUTING.1,977...15.12%NJABLDYNA...1,958...14.97%DYNAMIC-IP..1,486...11.36%SPAMHEADERS.1,442...11.03%AHBL1,424...10.89%BLITZEDALL..1,359...10.39%NJABLPROXIES1,342...10.26%BCC41,313...10.04%SORBS-WEB...1,0267.85%BCC6..9277.09%BADHEADERS9267.08%AHBLPROXIES...9237.06%SBL...9187.02%SPAMDOMAINS...8346.38%SURBL-FROM7986.10%OPEN-RELAY7335.61%SORBS-HTTP7045.38%SNIFFER-PORN..6985.34%BCC8..6685.11%SORBS-SOCKS...6254.78%AHBLSOURCES...4913.75%RHSBL.3772.88%AHBLDOMAINS...2932.24%SPFFAIL...2762.11%SPFPASS...2351.80%BASE641871.43%MAILFROM..1821.39%NJABLDUL..1791.37%SENDERDB-SUSP.1451.11%SNIFFER-SCAMS.1110.85%FORMMAIL...850.65%NJABLSOURCES...710.54%SORBS-BADCONF..550.42%COMMENTS...410.31%SORBS-MISC.410.31%SNIFFER-MALWARE380.29%MULTI-RELAY330.25%DSBLMULTI..330.25%WEB-O-TRUST260.20%SORBS-ZOMBIE...230.18%SORBS-SMTP.230.18%MAILPOLICE-PORN220.17%SNIFFER-OBFUSC.150.11%ORDB...100.08%RDNSBL..50.04%NJABLRELAYS.50.04%HIL.40.03%

Best 
RegardsAndy SchmidtHM Systems Software, Inc.600 East Crescent 
Avenue, Suite 203Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 
(Business)Fax: +1 201 934-9206http://www.HM-Software.com/ 

  
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  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
  Behalf Of MattSent: Monday, January 10, 2005 11:35 
  AMTo: sniffer@SortMonster.comSubject: Re: [sniffer] 
  Still having problemsI just wanted to add some stats that 
  I thought might be of some use here. I gathered info on my block rates 
  over the past three days and compared my Sniffer hits to them. There has 
  been no measurable change to my system with an average of 96% of spam getting 
  tagged by Sniffer. I'm at least not seeing any issues.
  FRIDAY==Blocked: 
89.45% of Total Message 
VolumeSniffer: 85.74% 
of Total Message 
Volume-Sniffer 
Capture Rate on Spam: 
95.85%SATURDAY==Blocked: 
96.57% of Total Message 
VolumeSniffer: 
92.55% of Total Message 
Volume-Sniffer 
Capture Rate on Spam: 

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] High smtp traffic

2005-01-10 Thread Tandem Group
There is definately something happening. Currently we are seeing a mailing
which boasts of 400 million mails being sent promoting some penny stock with
the symbol is CSYT, company name Communications Synergi Technology.

I found out the hard way, because they are using my personal address as
'Reply-To', and I have received more than 2000 NDRs.

They are being relatively clever by forging a Received From line, complete
with our server name and IP. The only thing they've got wrong is the time
stamp.

We see actual senders from all over the world, pretty well all cable or dsl
connections, so I guess it is a zombie storm.

I am trying to figure some way of grabbing all the NDRs and then send each
one 10 times to the company's CEO, CFO, etc.

Apparently it is working; the stock is up 30% today.

Erik


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 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] High smtp traffic


 Anyone else can see an abnormal high smtp traffic this minutes?

 I haven't identified completely but something strnage is
 going one here. Lot
 of NDR's

 Markus


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] High smtp traffic

2005-01-10 Thread Kami Razvan
We can do a simple bounce message to his address using BOUNCEONLYIF.. 

We are bombarded by them also but they are all getting caught as spam.. 

Kami 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tandem Group
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 2:11 PM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] High smtp traffic

There is definately something happening. Currently we are seeing a mailing
which boasts of 400 million mails being sent promoting some penny stock with
the symbol is CSYT, company name Communications Synergi Technology.

I found out the hard way, because they are using my personal address as
'Reply-To', and I have received more than 2000 NDRs.

They are being relatively clever by forging a Received From line, complete
with our server name and IP. The only thing they've got wrong is the time
stamp.

We see actual senders from all over the world, pretty well all cable or dsl
connections, so I guess it is a zombie storm.

I am trying to figure some way of grabbing all the NDRs and then send each
one 10 times to the company's CEO, CFO, etc.

Apparently it is working; the stock is up 30% today.

Erik


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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Markus Gufler
 Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 09:11
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] High smtp traffic


 Anyone else can see an abnormal high smtp traffic this minutes?

 I haven't identified completely but something strnage is going one 
 here. Lot of NDR's

 Markus


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] High smtp traffic

2005-01-10 Thread Tandem Group
We are catching the original messages as spam, but only a small percentage
of the NDRs are being caught. They all come from legit mailservers, and
since there is no URL in the meesage, even if it is attached Declude won't
necessarily penalize it enough.

The BOUNCEONLYIF won't work as the NDRs would attempt to go back to the
zombies, and I doubt that they can even receive mail.

My evil thought was to penalize the company itself by letting them have a
few copies of each of my NDRs.  :-)

Erik


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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kami Razvan
 Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 11:23
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] High smtp traffic


 We can do a simple bounce message to his address using BOUNCEONLYIF..

 We are bombarded by them also but they are all getting caught
 as spam..

 Kami

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tandem Group
 Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 2:11 PM
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] High smtp traffic

 There is definately something happening. Currently we are
 seeing a mailing
 which boasts of 400 million mails being sent promoting some
 penny stock with
 the symbol is CSYT, company name Communications Synergi Technology.

 I found out the hard way, because they are using my personal
 address as
 'Reply-To', and I have received more than 2000 NDRs.

 They are being relatively clever by forging a Received From
 line, complete
 with our server name and IP. The only thing they've got wrong
 is the time
 stamp.

 We see actual senders from all over the world, pretty well
 all cable or dsl
 connections, so I guess it is a zombie storm.

 I am trying to figure some way of grabbing all the NDRs and
 then send each
 one 10 times to the company's CEO, CFO, etc.

 Apparently it is working; the stock is up 30% today.

   Erik


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  Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] High smtp traffic
 
 
  Anyone else can see an abnormal high smtp traffic this minutes?
 
  I haven't identified completely but something strnage is going one
  here. Lot of NDR's
 
  Markus
 
 
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[Declude.JunkMail] invURIBL (SURBL URI Query) Important Notice On Beta 4

2005-01-10 Thread Darrell \([EMAIL PROTECTED])
After working with Andy we found that a DLL was missing out of our beta 4 
package.  If you downloaded invURIBL for the first time as Beta 4 you may be 
missing a DLL that was not included in that specific package.  This DLL is 
used for additional mime decoding. 

I would recommend that everyone who downloaded Beta 4 please do so again as 
the package has been corrected to include the DLL. - 
http://www.invariantsystems.com/invuribl/default.htm 

We also recommend if you are using invURIBL that you please join the list 
serve for the application to stay informed on its status 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]). 

Again, I am sorry for the inconvenience.
Darrell 

Andy Schmidt writes: 

Hi Phil: 

A) I just corrected a bug in the setup of invURIBL (which is used to test
again SURBL).  I don't know yet what the impact is - but I BELIEVE that
bug had caused more messages to be tagged than should have. Thus, the
results were skewed, but I won't know until tomorrow by what degree.


Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude And 
Imail.  IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, MRTG Integration, and Log 
Parsers. 

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[Declude.JunkMail] Old email accounts

2005-01-10 Thread Richard Farris
Is there a way to keep email that is sent to old non-existant email accounts 
on my server from being processed by Declude. I have noticed that a lot of 
the spam in spamreview is to email addresses that are no longer there..

Richard Farris
Ethixs Online
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1.800.548.3877 Tech Support
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[Declude.JunkMail] Forwarding and Hosting on IMail vs. SmarterMail

2005-01-10 Thread Goran Jovanovic
Hi all,

I would like to get some opinions from the group.

In my testing/experimenting with Declude JunkMail Pro and Virus Pro (2
scanners running) under IMail 8.1x I found that:

1 - With a volume of 20,000 messages per day which half were hosted and
half were forwarded the IMail server's SMTP service would become
unresponsive and users who were using the IMail box to send outbound
would get timeouts. Also the Web Interface bogged down and response was
bad. This created customer complaints. This is bad.

2 - If I split the above 20,000 messages onto two servers one
scanning/forwarding and one hosting then I did not see the slowdowns and
customers did not complain.

So my question is the following: Is there enough knowledge out there yet
that if I was to put everything back on one server but use SmarterMail
instead of IMail with the same Declude package would I be suffering the
same performance problems? I have heard more than once that IMail's Web
Interface is a big pig on CPU resources.

Any thoughts on this?

Thanx

 
 
 
 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Old email accounts

2005-01-10 Thread R. Scott Perry

Is there a way to keep email that is sent to old non-existant email 
accounts on my server from being processed by Declude. I have noticed that 
a lot of the spam in spamreview is to email addresses that are no longer 
there..
If you have IMail reject those E-mails, Declude won't scan 
them.  Otherwise, Declude will scan them.

Note, however, that you may see E-mail addresses that do not exist (that 
IMail did not accept the E-mail for), if there was at least one valid 
recipient.  In that case, IMail will process the E-mail, and have all the 
bogus recipients listed in the SMTP envelope.

   -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Forwarding and Hosting on IMail vs. SmarterMail

2005-01-10 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
Goran, I have no experience with SmarterMail, but I would generally
suggest that doing your antispam content filtering on a box with which
your end users have direct experience is bad.

In other words, I would suggest always having a gateway configuration,
with your mailboxes on an internal server.

Andrew 8)

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 5:59 PM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Forwarding and Hosting on IMail vs.
SmarterMail


Hi all,

I would like to get some opinions from the group.

In my testing/experimenting with Declude JunkMail Pro and Virus Pro (2
scanners running) under IMail 8.1x I found that:

1 - With a volume of 20,000 messages per day which half were hosted and
half were forwarded the IMail server's SMTP service would become
unresponsive and users who were using the IMail box to send outbound
would get timeouts. Also the Web Interface bogged down and response was
bad. This created customer complaints. This is bad.

2 - If I split the above 20,000 messages onto two servers one
scanning/forwarding and one hosting then I did not see the slowdowns and
customers did not complain.

So my question is the following: Is there enough knowledge out there yet
that if I was to put everything back on one server but use SmarterMail
instead of IMail with the same Declude package would I be suffering the
same performance problems? I have heard more than once that IMail's Web
Interface is a big pig on CPU resources.

Any thoughts on this?

Thanx

 
 
 
 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe
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[Declude.JunkMail] AVG antivirus

2005-01-10 Thread Richard Farris
I just noticed that my new AVG 7.0 caused some mail that I sent out to be 
caught in the spam filter because it looked like it originated from a 
different IPhas anyone else seen AVG do this and how do you deactivate 
AVG causing this?

Richard Farris
Ethixs Online
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1.800.548.3877 Tech Support
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Forwarding and Hosting on IMail vs. SmarterMail

2005-01-10 Thread Matt
Goran Jovanovic wrote:
So my question is the following: Is there enough knowledge out there yet
that if I was to put everything back on one server but use SmarterMail
instead of IMail with the same Declude package would I be suffering the
same performance problems? I have heard more than once that IMail's Web
Interface is a big pig on CPU resources.
Any thoughts on this?
 

IMail's Web server is so challenged that I consider it to be a security 
vulnerability (seriously).  Most of my business is gatewayed E-mail now, 
but I have about 500 hosted accounts and I tell everyone that I can that 
the Web interface is not meant to be a primary means of access, and that 
it is unsupported.  It's quite sad that I can't support the Web 
interface.  I also have the IMAP service turned off because of long 
standing issues that seem to affect a great number of people with a 
decent number of IMAP users.

I'm watching intently myself for what other's experiences are with 
SmarterMail, and I trust that Declude will work hard to iron out the 
issues that exist in the migration to this new platform.  I have little 
doubt that any mail server worth it's weight would be able to handle a 
message volume of 20,000 per day, and I would want to see 20 times that 
amount on a suitable server in fact, but aside from that, I am thinking 
that the determining factor would revolve around very specific 
capabilities that I have either come to rely upon, or would further 
benefit from.  For instance, having SmarterMail be able to do address 
validation for gatewayed domains would be very nice, sub-mailbox 
functionality is something that would be hard to function without, 
supporting the SMTP Submission Port 587 would be very nice to see, and 
there are other such things, some of which might not hit me until the 
11th hour that could be deal makers or deal breakers.

I'm eagerly awaiting the results and feedback of others, though I'm not 
technically in a rush to make the leap.

Matt
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[Declude.JunkMail] external program with quotes....

2005-01-10 Thread Scott Fisher



I'm writing my own external program to compare 
domain names.
I need to pass the %REVDNS% parameter with quotes 
around it due to possible spaces in it.
Is this possible?


Will this work?
MR-MATCHING external 11 "D:\IMail\Declude\FPFilters\vbs\FRDNS.exe 
PATH=d:\IMail\declude\FPFilters LOG=HIGH CW=%WEIGHT% SW=440 REVDNS=""%REVDNS%"" 
FROM=%MAILFROM%" 0 0


Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Forwarding and Hosting on IMail vs. SmarterMail

2005-01-10 Thread Jim
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:29:25 -0500, Matt wrote:
 I'm watching intently myself for what other's experiences are with
 SmarterMail, and I trust that Declude will work hard to iron out
 the issues that exist in the migration to this new platform.  I

We just moved to Smartermail. I did the migration late Thursday. Took maybe 
30-45 minutes.  We don't have a huge userbase. 35 domains, 300 users and do 
maybe 5-6000 mails a day.   We never had any performance problems with Imail.  
Mainly switched due to the recent flak about the new release and minor issues 
that have just never been addressed.

I was anticipating a lot of calls after the switch but I think I had 3 phone 
calls Friday - mainly people who needed to turn on SMTP authentication or had 
some other odd configuration issue.  Biggest issue now is spam.  Need my 
Declude! :)

There are some things missing, but there are also a lot of small neat features 
that make you say 'what a neat idea'...

Jim




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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Forwarding and Hosting on IMail vs. SmarterMail

2005-01-10 Thread Kevin Bilbee
 There are some things missing, but there are also a lot of 
 small neat features that make you say 'what a neat idea'... 
 

Could you elaborate on what is missing and what is neat?

Kevin Bilbee

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] external program with quotes....

2005-01-10 Thread Kevin Bilbee
Title: Message



Reverse dns should never have spaces in it.

  
  -Original Message-From: 
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  On Behalf Of Scott FisherSent: Monday, January 10, 2005 7:22 
  PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: 
  [Declude.JunkMail] external program with quotes
  I'm writing my own external program to compare 
  domain names.
  I need to pass the %REVDNS% parameter with quotes 
  around it due to possible spaces in it.
  Is this possible?
  
  
  Will this work?
  MR-MATCHING external 11 "D:\IMail\Declude\FPFilters\vbs\FRDNS.exe 
  PATH=d:\IMail\declude\FPFilters LOG=HIGH CW=%WEIGHT% SW=440 
  REVDNS=""%REVDNS%"" FROM=%MAILFROM%" 0 
0