[Declude.JunkMail] Sniffer in Persistent Mode using Windows Resource Kit Tools

2006-01-18 Thread Panda Consulting S.A. Luis Alberto Arango
Here is another method to install sniffer in persistent mode.
 
I just want to share it with you and others out there. I hope it is useful.
I am not sure if there is information about how to install persistent mode
using the windows resource kit tools in this list. So I decided to post it
just in case.

I have tested for a week and it works fine for me under Windows 2003
 
I switched to it, since RunSvcExe started to show some errors in my event
viewer
 
 
==Sniffer in Persistent Mode Using Windows Resource Kit Tools==

1. Create a directory in C: called for example reskit
c:\reskit
 
2. Place the following windows NT/2000/2003 windows resource kit files (they
are free). Download the kit from microsoft.com
instsrv.exe
srvany.exe
 
3. Run the following command line
c:\reskit\instsrv.exe Declude Sniffer c:\reskit\Srvany.exe
 
that will set a service under the name  Declude Sniffer
 
4. Open your registry
and look for the key
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Declude Sniffer
 
5. Then add a key and name it Parameters

6. Next Add a Value and type this information
Value Name:Application
Data Type: REG_SZ (String)
String: [full path of your sniffer installation]\snfrv2r3.exe
xnk05x5vmipeaof7 persistent
 
Note for licensed users: replace snfrv2re.exe with your licenced sniffer
application name and xnk05x5vmipeaof7 with the licenced code.
 
7. In your Services Manager locate the service named Declude Sniffer and
start it. 
 
8. Set the Startup Type to Automatic.
 
You are set to go.
 
TO REMOVE THE SERVICE---
if you want to remove the service just type the following command line
c:\reskit\instsrv.exe Declude Sniffer REMOVE

-Luis Arango

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting email address

2006-01-18 Thread Jeff Cochran



Casselberry? Hello from Naples. 
:)

Same issue, I'm the email admin for the City of 
Naples. We used to tweak filters continuously because of this. 
Routinely get questioned about why a message didn't get through and why so much 
spam gets through. We've gone to a defense in depth on this. Signed 
up with Postini for first level SPAM/Virus, and it gave us two benefits. 
The first is it dropped the load on our server by 85% or so eliminating 99% of 
the blatant spam and most viruses. It also gives the user an opportunity 
to view and manage their own quarrantined files. We use Declude to further 
tweak the incoming mail, and add a second virus scanning point. We 
primarily do two things, one is add a subject indicating possible spam, the 
other is using black lists for specific addresses. The spam header can be 
sorted in Outlook on the client side to further separate the spam but still 
allow the user to review the messages if they wish.

Of course the last thing we did was assign the City 
Manager's admin the task of reviewing his mail, plus my boss, the Director of 
Technology Services, checks his quarrantine every morning. 
:)

Have we bounced a citizen's mail? Occasionally. 
We apologize and white list their address. Somehow they seem to understand 
if the [EMAIL PROTECTED] spam filters ate their email.

If you want to reach me off-list, work email is "jcochran 
at naplesgov dot com".

Jeff


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of IS - Systems 
Eng. (Karl Drugge)Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:18 
PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: RE: 
[Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting email address



Believe me, Id love to 
find a way to do it, but when I HAVE to receive emails from hideously 
mis-configured servers, whack-job citizens, and other municipalities with less 
then stellar I.T. staff from any where at any time, not bouncing becomes the 
worse of two evils. 

As an example, if I 
DELETE an email from a citizen because it meets my delete criteria ( lets say a 
nut-job, retired, self declared IT samurai with a shareware SMTP server, on a 
dial up account to a local home based ISP run by his best friend ) I can ( and 
have ) been questioned by the City Manager on exactly WHY he didnt get this 
email, because this nut-job shows up to a city council meeting and has a foaming 
at the mouth fit in public. Technical explanations dont cut it in the political 
arena. I have to, at the very least, send something back to notify the 
originator that the email was bounced, unless its so horribly mal-formed, or 
chock full of key words, that it I can absolutely guarantee its spam. 


But, if someone wants 
to take a crack at it, Ill be more than happy to post my config 
files.



Karl Drugge






-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of MattSent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:28 
PMTo: 
Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] 
Whitelisting email address


Karl,Getting 
blacklisted for bouncing spam back to forged addresses would probably be a lot 
worse than missing a stray message that shouldn't have been blocked. This 
certainly can happen, especially if you get a lot of zombie generated 
spam.It is also of course a big pain dealing with servers that bounce 
this stuff back to forged addresses. Today I'm under heavy attack from 
multiple sources of backscatter. Backscatter costs others time, money and 
frustration. It's not fair if it is avoidable. Please reconsider 
your choices. Maybe we can help you figure out a better way to deal with 
this.MattIS - Systems Eng. (Karl Drugge) wrote: 


I hold at 
20, bounce at 40, and delete at 60.


I realize 
bouncing is bad, but were government, so I have to be careful about outright 
deleting email without notifying someone, somewhere.

Karl 
Drugge






-Original 
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of BrianSent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:38 
PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] 
Whitelisting email address



What are you using for 
a hold weight and delete weight?



Brian



- Original Message 
- 

From: IS - 
Systems Eng. (Karl Drugge) 

To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com 


Sent: Tuesday, 
January 17, 2006 3:17 PM

Subject: RE: 
[Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting email address



I can 
confirm that.

If a 
single email address is white listed, then all of them get white 
listed.

The 
solution was a line like this : BYPASSWHITELIST 
bypasswhitelist 45 
6 
0 0

If an 
email was over weight 45, AND it also had 6 or more recipients, than it bypassed 
the white-listing and checked it normally.

I never 
tried to do it with individual config files.. But that might work, if it didn't 
affect all the recipients.



Karl 
Drugge






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Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of BrianSent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 2:16 
PMTo: 

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Sniffer in Persistent Mode using Windows Resource Kit Tools

2006-01-18 Thread Markus Gufler
So for no problem, but how we tell Declude or DecludeProc that he should
connect to the service instead of executing the exe?

Markus
 

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 Panda Consulting S.A. Luis Alberto Arango
 Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:15 PM
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Sniffer in Persistent Mode using 
 Windows Resource Kit Tools
 
 Here is another method to install sniffer in persistent mode.
  
 I just want to share it with you and others out there. I hope 
 it is useful.
 I am not sure if there is information about how to install 
 persistent mode using the windows resource kit tools in this 
 list. So I decided to post it just in case.
 
 I have tested for a week and it works fine for me under Windows 2003
  
 I switched to it, since RunSvcExe started to show some errors 
 in my event viewer
  
  
 ==Sniffer in Persistent Mode Using Windows Resource Kit Tools==
 
 1. Create a directory in C: called for example reskit c:\reskit
  
 2. Place the following windows NT/2000/2003 windows resource 
 kit files (they are free). Download the kit from 
 microsoft.com instsrv.exe srvany.exe
  
 3. Run the following command line
 c:\reskit\instsrv.exe Declude Sniffer c:\reskit\Srvany.exe
  
 that will set a service under the name  Declude Sniffer
  
 4. Open your registry
 and look for the key
 HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Declude Sniffer
  
 5. Then add a key and name it Parameters
 
 6. Next Add a Value and type this information Value 
 Name:Application Data Type: REG_SZ (String)
 String: [full path of your sniffer installation]\snfrv2r3.exe
 xnk05x5vmipeaof7 persistent
  
 Note for licensed users: replace snfrv2re.exe with your 
 licenced sniffer application name and xnk05x5vmipeaof7 with 
 the licenced code.
  
 7. In your Services Manager locate the service named Declude 
 Sniffer and start it. 
  
 8. Set the Startup Type to Automatic.
  
 You are set to go.
  
 TO REMOVE THE SERVICE---
 if you want to remove the service just type the following 
 command line c:\reskit\instsrv.exe Declude Sniffer REMOVE
 
   -Luis Arango
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Sniffer in Persistent Mode using Windows Resource Kit Tools

2006-01-18 Thread Dean Lawrence
Markus,

You still point to the executable in your global config file, but since sniffer is running in persistant mode, it doesn't automatically launch a new instance.

Dean
On 1/18/06, Markus Gufler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So for no problem, but how we tell Declude or DecludeProc that he shouldconnect to the service instead of executing the exe?
Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Panda Consulting S.A. Luis Alberto Arango Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:15 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Sniffer in Persistent Mode using Windows Resource Kit Tools Here is another method to install sniffer in persistent mode. I just want to share it with you and others out there. I hope
 it is useful. I am not sure if there is information about how to install persistent mode using the windows resource kit tools in this list. So I decided to post it just in case.
 I have tested for a week and it works fine for me under Windows 2003 I switched to it, since RunSvcExe started to show some errors in my event viewer ==Sniffer in Persistent Mode Using Windows Resource Kit Tools==
 1. Create a directory in C: called for example reskit c:\reskit 2. Place the following windows NT/2000/2003 windows resource kit files (they are free). Download the kit from 
microsoft.com instsrv.exe srvany.exe 3. Run the following command line c:\reskit\instsrv.exe Declude Sniffer c:\reskit\Srvany.exe that will set a service under the nameDeclude Sniffer
 4. Open your registry and look for the key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Declude Sniffer 5. Then add a key and name it Parameters 6. Next Add a Value and type this information Value
 Name:Application Data Type: REG_SZ (String) String: [full path of your sniffer installation]\snfrv2r3.exe xnk05x5vmipeaof7 persistent Note for licensed users: replace snfrv2re.exe with your
 licenced sniffer application name and xnk05x5vmipeaof7 with the licenced code. 7. In your Services Manager locate the service named Declude Sniffer and start it. 8. Set the Startup Type to Automatic.
 You are set to go. TO REMOVE THE SERVICE--- if you want to remove the service just type the following command line c:\reskit\instsrv.exe Declude Sniffer REMOVE
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[Declude.JunkMail] One down ....

2006-01-18 Thread John Carter
http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/internet/01/18/internet.spam.ap/index.html

One spammer down - ???,???,??? to go.

John C

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[Declude.JunkMail] Domain Keys?

2006-01-18 Thread Marc Catuogno

Is there any way to implement Domain Keys with Declude (1.82)or IMAIL (8.15)
Or any version? Anyway to put domain keys in any other way?

Yahoo is once again delivering any e-mail from my IP to their Bulk folder, I
figured if I can use their Domain Keys system I would have a better chance
of getting our mail delivered.  I have filled out all the Yahoo forms, but I
get nothing but generic canned responses.  I may change my IP over this

Thanks -

Marc

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Domain Keys?

2006-01-18 Thread Robert Grosshandler
Ditto.  We'd love to be able to do this.

In the interim, we've actually had success getting on Yahoo's good side by
contacting them.

We used the address [EMAIL PROTECTED] to get the process
started.

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Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Domain Keys?


Is there any way to implement Domain Keys with Declude (1.82)or IMAIL (8.15)
Or any version? Anyway to put domain keys in any other way?

Yahoo is once again delivering any e-mail from my IP to their Bulk folder, I
figured if I can use their Domain Keys system I would have a better chance
of getting our mail delivered.  I have filled out all the Yahoo forms, but I
get nothing but generic canned responses.  I may change my IP over this

Thanks -

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Domain Keys?

2006-01-18 Thread Dave Beckstrom
I would also like to use domain keys through Declude if possible. 

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 Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:07 AM
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Domain Keys?
 
 
 Is there any way to implement Domain Keys with Declude (1.82)or IMAIL
(8.15)
 Or any version? Anyway to put domain keys in any other way?
 
 Yahoo is once again delivering any e-mail from my IP to their Bulk folder,
I
 figured if I can use their Domain Keys system I would have a better chance
 of getting our mail delivered.  I have filled out all the Yahoo forms, but
I
 get nothing but generic canned responses.  I may change my IP over
this
 
 Thanks -
 
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[Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail Aliases

2006-01-18 Thread Mark Smith
Sorry about the Off-Topic question...

I use Imail/Declude as a gateway system only for a large Exchange org.
To avoid the dictionary attacks, we do some scripting magic to put the
Exchange SMTP addresses in the Imail Alias setup.

Here's the problem. Our Exchange org has two domains associated with it due
to a merger -- let's say @apple.com and @orange.com
We've run into a problem with a generic mailbox for each of these domains --
info. There has always been an [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Since the Imail Alias only contains the mailbox name (info) we have no way
to email directly into both domains through this gateway server.

Any ideas on how to get around this?



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail Aliases

2006-01-18 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 Any ideas on how to get around this?

Of  course.  Create  a  second  virtual  host  for the second Exchange
address space.

--Sandy



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Broadleaf Systems, a division of
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Defuse Dictionary Attacks: Turn Exchange or IMail mailboxes into IMail Aliases!
  
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Sniffer in Persistent Mode using Windows Resource Kit Tools

2006-01-18 Thread Harry Vanderzand
I am confused with step 6

6. Next Add a Value and type this information Value Name:Application Data
Type: REG_SZ (String)
String: [full path of your sniffer installation]\snfrv2r3.exe
xnk05x5vmipeaof7 persistent


What is the Value name???

Thank you

Harry Vanderzand 
inTown Internet  Computer Services 
519-741-1222


 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 Panda Consulting S.A. Luis Alberto Arango
 Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:15 AM
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Sniffer in Persistent Mode using 
 Windows Resource Kit Tools
 
 Here is another method to install sniffer in persistent mode.
  
 I just want to share it with you and others out there. I hope 
 it is useful.
 I am not sure if there is information about how to install 
 persistent mode using the windows resource kit tools in this 
 list. So I decided to post it just in case.
 
 I have tested for a week and it works fine for me under Windows 2003
  
 I switched to it, since RunSvcExe started to show some errors 
 in my event viewer
  
  
 ==Sniffer in Persistent Mode Using Windows Resource Kit Tools==
 
 1. Create a directory in C: called for example reskit c:\reskit
  
 2. Place the following windows NT/2000/2003 windows resource 
 kit files (they are free). Download the kit from 
 microsoft.com instsrv.exe srvany.exe
  
 3. Run the following command line
 c:\reskit\instsrv.exe Declude Sniffer c:\reskit\Srvany.exe
  
 that will set a service under the name  Declude Sniffer
  
 4. Open your registry
 and look for the key
 HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Declude Sniffer
  
 5. Then add a key and name it Parameters
 
 6. Next Add a Value and type this information Value 
 Name:Application Data Type: REG_SZ (String)
 String: [full path of your sniffer installation]\snfrv2r3.exe
 xnk05x5vmipeaof7 persistent
  
 Note for licensed users: replace snfrv2re.exe with your 
 licenced sniffer application name and xnk05x5vmipeaof7 with 
 the licenced code.
  
 7. In your Services Manager locate the service named Declude 
 Sniffer and start it. 
  
 8. Set the Startup Type to Automatic.
  
 You are set to go.
  
 TO REMOVE THE SERVICE---
 if you want to remove the service just type the following 
 command line c:\reskit\instsrv.exe Declude Sniffer REMOVE
 
   -Luis Arango
 
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Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Sniffer in Persistent Mode using Windows Resource Kit Tools

2006-01-18 Thread Pete McNeil
On Wednesday, January 18, 2006, 9:28:16 AM, Dean wrote:

DL Markus,
DL   
DL  You still point to the executable in your global config file,
DL but since sniffer is running in persistant mode, it doesn't
DL automatically launch a new instance.

That's almost correct... What happens is that the new instance
recognizes that there is a persistent instance running and hands off
the job to that service rather than processing it on it's own.

_M


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Sniffer in Persistent Mode using Windows Resource Kit Tools

2006-01-18 Thread Panda Consulting S.A. Luis Alberto Arango
The Value Name of Step 6 is:
Application


-Luis Arango
 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 Harry Vanderzand
 Sent: Miércoles, 18 de Enero de 2006 01:13 p.m.
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Sniffer in Persistent Mode 
 using Windows Resource Kit Tools
 
 I am confused with step 6
 
 6. Next Add a Value and type this information Value 
 Name:Application Data
 Type: REG_SZ (String)
 String: [full path of your sniffer installation]\snfrv2r3.exe
 xnk05x5vmipeaof7 persistent
 
 
 What is the Value name???
 
 Thank you
 
 Harry Vanderzand
 inTown Internet  Computer Services
 519-741-1222
 
 
  
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Panda 
  Consulting S.A. Luis Alberto Arango
  Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:15 AM
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Sniffer in Persistent Mode 
 using Windows 
  Resource Kit Tools
  
  Here is another method to install sniffer in persistent mode.
   
  I just want to share it with you and others out there. I hope it is 
  useful.
  I am not sure if there is information about how to install 
 persistent 
  mode using the windows resource kit tools in this list. So 
 I decided 
  to post it just in case.
  
  I have tested for a week and it works fine for me under Windows 2003
   
  I switched to it, since RunSvcExe started to show some errors in my 
  event viewer
   
   
  ==Sniffer in Persistent Mode Using Windows Resource Kit Tools==
  
  1. Create a directory in C: called for example reskit c:\reskit
   
  2. Place the following windows NT/2000/2003 windows 
 resource kit files 
  (they are free). Download the kit from microsoft.com instsrv.exe 
  srvany.exe
   
  3. Run the following command line
  c:\reskit\instsrv.exe Declude Sniffer c:\reskit\Srvany.exe
   
  that will set a service under the name  Declude Sniffer
   
  4. Open your registry
  and look for the key
  HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Declude Sniffer
   
  5. Then add a key and name it Parameters
  
  6. Next Add a Value and type this information Value 
 Name:Application 
  Data Type: REG_SZ (String)
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  Note for licensed users: replace snfrv2re.exe with your licenced 
  sniffer application name and xnk05x5vmipeaof7 with the 
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 Declude Sniffer 
  and start it.
   
  8. Set the Startup Type to Automatic.
   
  You are set to go.
   
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  if you want to remove the service just type the following 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] decludeproc causing dns queries to fail

2006-01-18 Thread Will
Just to clarify...  If Imail was not processing, wouldn't the buildup be
occurring in the /spool directory itself?  Would declude also be
affected by such an issue and cause a buildup in the /spool/proc folder?

I ask, because my mail is getting built up in the /spool/proc folder,
not the /spool folder.  As I understand it, declude.exe deposits mail
into the /spool/proc folder.  The decludeproc.exe server runs to move
mail out of this folder into the /spool/proc/work folder for processing
and once completed moves it to the /spool folder so Imail may deliver
it.  Am I missing something?

This also doesn't explain why no outgoing DNS queries are allowed while
these issues are occurring, such as nslookup (unable to even establish a
connection to any DNS server), but once again work when the
decludeproc.exe is restarted.  To clarify, I am not restarting or
changing Imail services in any way.  My one and only step to resolve the
issue is to stop decludeproc.exe and restart it in services.  Nothing
else needs to be done.  This is the only service I need to touch.

I am more than happy to try modifying my setup as a form of
troubleshooting, but forgive me for trying to understand the reasoning
behind it.

Will




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:14 AM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] decludeproc causing dns queries to fail

Will,

It is possible that this is not a Declude issue.

We had a similar problem years ago with an earlier version of Imail,
even 
before we began using Declude. It turned out that there has been an
ongoing 
bug in Imail about the entry of multiple DNS servers into the SMTP setup

page. They say you can enter several IPs separated by spaces, but if you
do 
this, IMail occasionally gets confused and basically stops looking at
DNS 
entirely. This results in quick buildup in the spool and the kind of 
problems you describe.

The cure is to run cache-only DNS locally on the server. Just install
the 
service, set it for Automatic, turn it on, point IMail to 127.0.0.1,an 
stop/start the IMail SMTP service. This will result in improved
performance 
because all your DNS lookups won't go over your network. You can point
the 
local DNS to your other servers by entering their addresses into DNS in
the 
Network | TCP/IP property sheet.

-Dave Doherty
 Skywaves, Inc. 


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] decludeproc causing dns queries to fail

2006-01-18 Thread David Barker
Will,

When this happens again could you try start/stopping the queue manager and
smtp services in Imail to see if it resolves the issue of not being able to
connect to the DNS server.

David B
www.declude.com 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Will
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:49 PM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] decludeproc causing dns queries to fail

Just to clarify...  If Imail was not processing, wouldn't the buildup be
occurring in the /spool directory itself?  Would declude also be affected by
such an issue and cause a buildup in the /spool/proc folder?

I ask, because my mail is getting built up in the /spool/proc folder, not
the /spool folder.  As I understand it, declude.exe deposits mail into the
/spool/proc folder.  The decludeproc.exe server runs to move mail out of
this folder into the /spool/proc/work folder for processing and once
completed moves it to the /spool folder so Imail may deliver it.  Am I
missing something?

This also doesn't explain why no outgoing DNS queries are allowed while
these issues are occurring, such as nslookup (unable to even establish a
connection to any DNS server), but once again work when the decludeproc.exe
is restarted.  To clarify, I am not restarting or changing Imail services in
any way.  My one and only step to resolve the issue is to stop
decludeproc.exe and restart it in services.  Nothing else needs to be done.
This is the only service I need to touch.

I am more than happy to try modifying my setup as a form of troubleshooting,
but forgive me for trying to understand the reasoning behind it.

Will




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:14 AM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] decludeproc causing dns queries to fail

Will,

It is possible that this is not a Declude issue.

We had a similar problem years ago with an earlier version of Imail, even
before we began using Declude. It turned out that there has been an ongoing
bug in Imail about the entry of multiple DNS servers into the SMTP setup

page. They say you can enter several IPs separated by spaces, but if you do
this, IMail occasionally gets confused and basically stops looking at DNS
entirely. This results in quick buildup in the spool and the kind of
problems you describe.

The cure is to run cache-only DNS locally on the server. Just install the
service, set it for Automatic, turn it on, point IMail to 127.0.0.1,an
stop/start the IMail SMTP service. This will result in improved performance
because all your DNS lookups won't go over your network. You can point the
local DNS to your other servers by entering their addresses into DNS in the
Network | TCP/IP property sheet.

-Dave Doherty
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] decludeproc causing dns queries to fail

2006-01-18 Thread Harvey Rench
Will, we have been having the same problem for months now with no 
resolution from Declude.
They have told me they have never seen this problem before. It is 
nice to know we are not the only ones but, yet I feel your pain.



If you come across something please let us know and we will do likewise.


Thanks,
Harvey



At 03:49 PM 1/18/2006, Will wrote:

Just to clarify...  If Imail was not processing, wouldn't the buildup be
occurring in the /spool directory itself?  Would declude also be
affected by such an issue and cause a buildup in the /spool/proc folder?

I ask, because my mail is getting built up in the /spool/proc folder,
not the /spool folder.  As I understand it, declude.exe deposits mail
into the /spool/proc folder.  The decludeproc.exe server runs to move
mail out of this folder into the /spool/proc/work folder for processing
and once completed moves it to the /spool folder so Imail may deliver
it.  Am I missing something?

This also doesn't explain why no outgoing DNS queries are allowed while
these issues are occurring, such as nslookup (unable to even establish a
connection to any DNS server), but once again work when the
decludeproc.exe is restarted.  To clarify, I am not restarting or
changing Imail services in any way.  My one and only step to resolve the
issue is to stop decludeproc.exe and restart it in services.  Nothing
else needs to be done.  This is the only service I need to touch.

I am more than happy to try modifying my setup as a form of
troubleshooting, but forgive me for trying to understand the reasoning
behind it.

Will




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:14 AM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] decludeproc causing dns queries to fail

Will,

It is possible that this is not a Declude issue.

We had a similar problem years ago with an earlier version of Imail,
even
before we began using Declude. It turned out that there has been an
ongoing
bug in Imail about the entry of multiple DNS servers into the SMTP setup

page. They say you can enter several IPs separated by spaces, but if you
do
this, IMail occasionally gets confused and basically stops looking at
DNS
entirely. This results in quick buildup in the spool and the kind of
problems you describe.

The cure is to run cache-only DNS locally on the server. Just install
the
service, set it for Automatic, turn it on, point IMail to 127.0.0.1,an
stop/start the IMail SMTP service. This will result in improved
performance
because all your DNS lookups won't go over your network. You can point
the
local DNS to your other servers by entering their addresses into DNS in
the
Network | TCP/IP property sheet.

-Dave Doherty
 Skywaves, Inc.


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[Declude.JunkMail] Performance note under odd circumstances

2006-01-18 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
Using Declude JunkMail Pro v2.0.6.16 from 2005-05-25 on IMail v8.14 plus
hotfixes on a dual 3.0 GHz Pentium 4 Xeon Proliant with hyperthreading
on.  There is no on-access antivirus software installed, and no
defragmentation, no indexing or other type of disk tasks were running.

I re-queued a message that was initially detected as spam and had
modified my Declude filters so that the message would be accepted.

I copied (not moved) the D*.SMD file to the spool folder, and then the
Q*.SMD file to the spool\overflow folder.

In this way, the message is re-scanned by Declude and if not held, it is
then delivered by IMail.

Messages were backlogged with multiple declude.exe processes running and
occasionally using CPU (according to Task Manager).  Collectively, this
made CPU usage quite high.  But messages were not being delivered
inbound.

I used my firewall to shut off new inbound messages, then paused each
declude.exe process and trying to then allow a single instance to run.
No joy.

I killed all the declude.exe processes and then sent an internal mail to
wake up the queuing and overflow processing.  No joy, same behaviour.

I looked at the logs, now that they wouldn't be clogged with unrelated
lines caused by new inbound messages.

The performance problem was because there were as many as 5 attempts per
second at locking the Q*.SMD file, as per the Declude log, and ditto for
the IMail log at about the same rate.

Sample Declude log entry:

01/18/2006 00:10:56 Q1E4CBFE900D412F6 Cumulative action(s) taken on this
email = LOG WARN  [LAST ACTION=WARN]
01/18/2006 00:11:03 Q1E4CBFE900D412F6 WARNING: Could not unlock
D:\IMAIL\SPOOL\_1E4CBFE900D412F6.~MD due to error #183.
01/18/2006 00:11:06 Q1E4CBFE900D412F6 Could not lock
D:\IMAIL\SPOOL\Q1E4CBFE900D412F6.SMD: 183.
01/18/2006 00:11:07 Q1E4CBFE900D412F6 Could not lock
D:\IMAIL\SPOOL\Q1E4CBFE900D412F6.SMD: 183.
01/18/2006 00:11:07 Q1E4CBFE900D412F6 Could not lock
D:\IMAIL\SPOOL\Q1E4CBFE900D412F6.SMD: 183.

Sample IMail log entry:

01:18 00:10 SMTP-() Info - Adding Queue file
D:\IMail\spool\Q1E4CBFE900D412F6.SMD 
01:18 00:11 SMTP-(1e4cbfe900d412f6) processing
D:\IMail\spool\Q1E4CBFE900D412F6.SMD
01:18 00:11 SMTP-(1e4cbfe900d412f6) [E] lock file exists for
D:\IMail\spool\Q1E4CBFE900D412F6.SMD

I killed all the declude processes again, and shut down the IMail SMTP
service, then deleted the extra _*.~MD file.  I restarted the SMTP
service and sent another local message to wake up the message
processing.  Joy!

I'm providing this writeup here in hopes that it may be a useful
troubleshooting story for others.  I'm providing the logs to Declude
Support in case they see a good reason to modify their retry behaviour
in the circumstance the logs indicate.

Andrew.
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] decludeproc causing dns queries to fail

2006-01-18 Thread Kevin Bilbee
Does the DNS stop about every 2 1/2 days. If so turn off monitoring of the
web service in the imail monitor. You will probably find a slew of TCI/IP
ports in the WAIT state. Run netstat -an from a command prompt when having
the problem.



Kevin Bilbee

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Will
 Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:49 PM
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] decludeproc causing dns 
 queries to fail
 
 
 Just to clarify...  If Imail was not processing, wouldn't the 
 buildup be occurring in the /spool directory itself?  Would 
 declude also be affected by such an issue and cause a buildup 
 in the /spool/proc folder?
 
 I ask, because my mail is getting built up in the /spool/proc 
 folder, not the /spool folder.  As I understand it, 
 declude.exe deposits mail into the /spool/proc folder.  The 
 decludeproc.exe server runs to move mail out of this folder 
 into the /spool/proc/work folder for processing and once 
 completed moves it to the /spool folder so Imail may deliver 
 it.  Am I missing something?
 
 This also doesn't explain why no outgoing DNS queries are 
 allowed while these issues are occurring, such as nslookup 
 (unable to even establish a connection to any DNS server), 
 but once again work when the decludeproc.exe is restarted.  
 To clarify, I am not restarting or changing Imail services in 
 any way.  My one and only step to resolve the issue is to 
 stop decludeproc.exe and restart it in services.  Nothing 
 else needs to be done.  This is the only service I need to touch.
 
 I am more than happy to try modifying my setup as a form of 
 troubleshooting, but forgive me for trying to understand the 
 reasoning behind it.
 
 Will
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty
 Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:14 AM
 To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] decludeproc causing dns 
 queries to fail
 
 Will,
 
 It is possible that this is not a Declude issue.
 
 We had a similar problem years ago with an earlier version of 
 Imail, even 
 before we began using Declude. It turned out that there has 
 been an ongoing 
 bug in Imail about the entry of multiple DNS servers into the 
 SMTP setup
 
 page. They say you can enter several IPs separated by spaces, 
 but if you do 
 this, IMail occasionally gets confused and basically stops 
 looking at DNS 
 entirely. This results in quick buildup in the spool and the kind of 
 problems you describe.
 
 The cure is to run cache-only DNS locally on the server. Just 
 install the 
 service, set it for Automatic, turn it on, point IMail to 
 127.0.0.1,an 
 stop/start the IMail SMTP service. This will result in 
 improved performance 
 because all your DNS lookups won't go over your network. You 
 can point the 
 local DNS to your other servers by entering their addresses 
 into DNS in the 
 Network | TCP/IP property sheet.
 
 -Dave Doherty
  Skywaves, Inc. 
 
 
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