[Declude.JunkMail] Hey Scott - Here's a feature request

2004-01-28 Thread Greg Foulks
Scott,
I found this website and thought that it would be really cool if you 
guys could write a program like this challenge/response that worked with 
Declude spam. I would absolutely pay for it!

http://about.mailblocks.com/features/challenge.aspx

Greg

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hey Scott - Here's a feature request

2004-01-28 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
The challenge/response has some fundamental problems. These include auto
notifications, newsletters, automated website ordering acknowledgments and
so forth.

I think the consensus is it is not acceptable to use.

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You


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 Scott,
 I found this website and thought that it would be really cool if you
 guys could write a program like this challenge/response that worked with
 Declude spam. I would absolutely pay for it!
 
 http://about.mailblocks.com/features/challenge.aspx
 
 Greg
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hey Scott - Here's a feature request

2004-01-28 Thread R. Scott Perry

I found this website and thought that it would be really cool if you guys 
could write a program like this challenge/response that worked with 
Declude spam. I would absolutely pay for it!

http://about.mailblocks.com/features/challenge.aspx
We actually started work on this a while back, but stopped.  While it is 
extremely effective in reducing spam *you* see, it also has a very high 
false positive rate, and other problems.

Top 9 reasons not to use C/R

[1] You end up being a spammer (the majority of spam sent to you will 
result in confirmation requests being sent to innocent victims)
[2] Spammers now send pretend confirmation requests, presumably to make 
people less likely to respond to C/R requests
[3] Many people respond to C/R requests that they never initiated
[4] C/R companies have been known to send out spam and harvest addresses of 
people sending to their customers, and apparently sell those addressses to 
spammers
[5] The C/R system is patented, so most anti-spam programs using C/R have 
legal liabilities waiting to be ironed out
[6] Confirmations sent to mailing lists won't work
[7] Confirmations sent to others using C/R cause problems
[8] People like me that offer a free service (helping people with DNS) end 
up losing money (by spending time investigating and responding to C/R 
systems, dealing with spam received as a result, etc.) and sometimes get 
fed up with C/R systems and eventually stop offering free advice (never 
knowing how many people won't get it), harming everybody.
[9] Legitimate E-mail from automated services won't be seen (such as when 
ordering products online)

   -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hey Scott - Here's a feature request

2004-01-28 Thread Kami Razvan
Greg:

Just one word... NO Please don't do it and don't ask for it.

C/R systems, in my opinion, will soon kill online commerce - either
automatic receipts have to be changed or C/R system has to go.

At our company we started blocking EarthLink C/R systems.. Imagine getting
500+ C/R's from people making payments.  We finally decided January 1 to
block and not respond to the responses since it was taking so much time and
effort.  Every email required you to go to a site and enter a code ..

We clearly indicate what email address people are going to get their
receipts from and if they wish to block it then it is their business.  The
other day someone had a message saying if you wish for me to receive your
email call me at this number and I will authorize you   and this was for a
receipt for payment... Imagine the long distance charges we have to pay just
to make sure people get their receipts.

Regards,
Kami 

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Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Hey Scott - Here's a feature request

Scott,
I found this website and thought that it would be really cool if you guys
could write a program like this challenge/response that worked with Declude
spam. I would absolutely pay for it!

http://about.mailblocks.com/features/challenge.aspx

Greg

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