RE: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender updates

2005-06-02 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
I have verified by watching the files on my server and contacting
BitDefender support that on the Free version you must be logged into the
computer for the updates to occur.

:(

John T
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 To: Declude.Virus@declude.com
 Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender updates
 
 So far, it appears that the updates are only take place when some one is
 actually logged in. In the last 4 days, the only time I have seen the
 modified date on the updated files was when I was logged in. I saw no
 changes in modified date when I was not logged in.
 
 John T
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  Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender updates
 
  There updater is there, but like Jerry questioned does it require a user
 to
  be logged in?
 
  John T
  eServices For You
 
 
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   On Behalf Of Jerry Murdock
   Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 7:11 AM
   To: Declude.Virus@declude.com
   Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender updates
  
   Have to admit this has been on my list of things to investigate as
well.
  
   The auto-update is there, but looks to require the console logged in -
   but have to admit I haven't looked hard.
  
   Any luck running the update as a service or via command line?
  
   Jerry
  
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   Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 9:52 PM
   To: John Tolmachoff (Lists)
   Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender updates
  
Since it appears that the free version of BitDefender works with
Declude, how do you go about doing updates, as it appears there is
no
auto update for the free version.
  
   There's  a nice auto-updater in MY free version. :) Maybe you have the
   wrong download. . . .
  
   --Sandy
  
  
   
   Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
   Broadleaf Systems, a division of
   Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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RE: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender updates

2005-06-01 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
So far, it appears that the updates are only take place when some one is
actually logged in. In the last 4 days, the only time I have seen the
modified date on the updated files was when I was logged in. I saw no
changes in modified date when I was not logged in.

John T
eServices For You


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 Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender updates
 
 There updater is there, but like Jerry questioned does it require a user
to
 be logged in?
 
 John T
 eServices For You
 
 
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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  On Behalf Of Jerry Murdock
  Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 7:11 AM
  To: Declude.Virus@declude.com
  Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender updates
 
  Have to admit this has been on my list of things to investigate as well.
 
  The auto-update is there, but looks to require the console logged in -
  but have to admit I haven't looked hard.
 
  Any luck running the update as a service or via command line?
 
  Jerry
 
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  Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 9:52 PM
  To: John Tolmachoff (Lists)
  Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender updates
 
   Since it appears that the free version of BitDefender works with
   Declude, how do you go about doing updates, as it appears there is no
   auto update for the free version.
 
  There's  a nice auto-updater in MY free version. :) Maybe you have the
  wrong download. . . .
 
  --Sandy
 
 
  
  Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
  Broadleaf Systems, a division of
  Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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RE: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender updates

2005-05-27 Thread Jerry Murdock
Look under:

\Program Files\Common Files\Softwin\BitDefender Scan Server 

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S.A. Luis Alberto Arango
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:06 AM
To: Declude.Virus@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender updates

Interesting post. Didn't know about this free version.

Could you post the configuration setting for declude. 
I found this in the archives
SCANFILE C:\Progra~1\Common~1\Softwin\BitDef~1\bdc.exe /f /a
/log=report.txt VIRUSCODE 1 REPORT Infected:

It mentions bdc.exe

I downloaded bitdefender_free_win_v72.exe, is this file the right
edition?
The free edition you are talking about?

There is no bdc.exe. There is a bdlite.xe. Is this the right file to do
command scanners? I haven't been able to test it silently. When I test
it, the management console pops up.

Luis Arango
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 Subject: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender updates
 
 Since it appears that the free version of BitDefender works with 
 Declude, how do you go about doing updates, as it appears there is no 
 auto update for the free version.
 
 Also, is any one using the standard version and if so is the command 
 line the same?
 
 John T
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RE: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender updates

2005-05-27 Thread Jerry Murdock
Have to admit this has been on my list of things to investigate as well.

The auto-update is there, but looks to require the console logged in -
but have to admit I haven't looked hard.  

Any luck running the update as a service or via command line?

Jerry

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Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 9:52 PM
To: John Tolmachoff (Lists)
Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender updates

 Since it appears that the free version of BitDefender works with 
 Declude, how do you go about doing updates, as it appears there is no 
 auto update for the free version.

There's  a nice auto-updater in MY free version. :) Maybe you have the
wrong download. . . .

--Sandy



Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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RE: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender updates

2005-05-27 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
There updater is there, but like Jerry questioned does it require a user to
be logged in?

John T
eServices For You


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 On Behalf Of Jerry Murdock
 Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 7:11 AM
 To: Declude.Virus@declude.com
 Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender updates
 
 Have to admit this has been on my list of things to investigate as well.
 
 The auto-update is there, but looks to require the console logged in -
 but have to admit I haven't looked hard.
 
 Any luck running the update as a service or via command line?
 
 Jerry
 
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 Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 9:52 PM
 To: John Tolmachoff (Lists)
 Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender updates
 
  Since it appears that the free version of BitDefender works with
  Declude, how do you go about doing updates, as it appears there is no
  auto update for the free version.
 
 There's  a nice auto-updater in MY free version. :) Maybe you have the
 wrong download. . . .
 
 --Sandy
 
 
 
 Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
 Broadleaf Systems, a division of
 Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
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RE: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender updates

2005-05-27 Thread Panda Consulting S.A. Luis Alberto Arango
Thanks for your help Didn't notice that directory. I was looking the files
in another directory it used to drop part of the installation I made.
Excellent. I will test it as a second scanner.

Luis Arango
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Murdock
 Sent: Viernes, 27 de Mayo de 2005 09:14 a.m.
 To: Declude.Virus@declude.com
 Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender updates
 
 Look under:
 
 \Program Files\Common Files\Softwin\BitDefender Scan Server
 
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 S.A. Luis Alberto Arango
 Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:06 AM
 To: Declude.Virus@declude.com
 Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender updates
 
 Interesting post. Didn't know about this free version.
 
 Could you post the configuration setting for declude.
 I found this in the archives
 SCANFILE C:\Progra~1\Common~1\Softwin\BitDef~1\bdc.exe /f /a
 /log=report.txt VIRUSCODE 1 REPORT Infected:
 
 It mentions bdc.exe
 
 I downloaded bitdefender_free_win_v72.exe, is this file the right
 edition?
 The free edition you are talking about?
 
 There is no bdc.exe. There is a bdlite.xe. Is this the right file to do
 command scanners? I haven't been able to test it silently. When I test
 it, the management console pops up.
 
 Luis Arango
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  Sent: Jueves, 26 de Mayo de 2005 08:42 p.m.
  To: Declude.Virus@declude.com
  Subject: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender updates
 
  Since it appears that the free version of BitDefender works with
  Declude, how do you go about doing updates, as it appears there is no
  auto update for the free version.
 
  Also, is any one using the standard version and if so is the command
  line the same?
 
  John T
  eServices For You
 
 
 
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Re: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender updates

2005-05-26 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 Since it appears that the free version of BitDefender works with Declude,
 how do you go about doing updates, as it appears there is no auto update for
 the free version.

There's  a nice auto-updater in MY free version. :) Maybe you have the
wrong download. . . .

--Sandy



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Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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RE: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender updates

2005-05-26 Thread Panda Consulting S.A. Luis Alberto Arango
Interesting post. Didn't know about this free version.

Could you post the configuration setting for declude. 
I found this in the archives
SCANFILE C:\Progra~1\Common~1\Softwin\BitDef~1\bdc.exe /f /a
/log=report.txt
VIRUSCODE 1
REPORT Infected:

It mentions bdc.exe

I downloaded bitdefender_free_win_v72.exe, is this file the right edition?
The free edition you are talking about?

There is no bdc.exe. There is a bdlite.xe. Is this the right file to do
command scanners? I haven't been able to test it silently. When I test it,
the management console pops up.

Luis Arango
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 Subject: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender updates
 
 Since it appears that the free version of BitDefender works with Declude,
 how do you go about doing updates, as it appears there is no auto update
 for
 the free version.
 
 Also, is any one using the standard version and if so is the command line
 the same?
 
 John T
 eServices For You
 
 
 
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Re: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender

2004-11-03 Thread Nick
On 3 Nov 2004 at 8:55, John Tolmachoff (Lists) wrote:
Hi John,

I use ClamAV without any issues at all.. Excellent product from what 
I can tell -

-Nick


 Has any tried using BitDefender with Declude Virus, or ClamAV for that
 matter?
 
 Does it work?
 
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Re: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender

2004-11-03 Thread Scott Fisher
I use ClamAV.
Overall it is very effective. More effective than FProt and AVG. About the
same as Mcafee.
If you are willing to turn Prescan OFF, it is good at catching Phish too.

It did have some bad defs last month that caused about 15 emails to be
mis-flagged.


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 Has any tried using BitDefender with Declude Virus, or ClamAV for that
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 Does it work?

 John Tolmachoff
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RE: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender

2004-11-03 Thread Brad Morgan
I'm using both at the moment.  ClamAV needs a helper program for Declude to
capture the virus name.

Regards,

Brad

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 Does it work?

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RE: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender

2004-11-03 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
PP

For those responding about ClamAV, my PPSS.

I meant mxGuard. Is any one using BitDefender with either Declude or
mxGuard?

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You


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Re: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender

2004-11-03 Thread Scott Fisher
And the link to that helper/wrapper is here:
http://www.smartbusiness.com/imail/declude/

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 I'm using both at the moment.  ClamAV needs a helper program for Declude
to
 capture the virus name.

 Regards,

 Brad

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  Has any tried using BitDefender with Declude Virus, or ClamAV for that
  matter?
 
  Does it work?
 
  John Tolmachoff
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  eServices For You
 
 
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Re: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender

2004-11-03 Thread Bill Landry
BitDefender work fine with Declude Virus, don't know about mxGuard.

Bill
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 For those responding about ClamAV, my PPSS.

 I meant mxGuard. Is any one using BitDefender with either Declude or
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RE: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender

2004-11-03 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
I wonder if ICS standard includes the same executable file for BitDefender
as the one you are using.

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 BitDefender work fine with Declude Virus, don't know about mxGuard.
 
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  For those responding about ClamAV, my PPSS.
 
  I meant mxGuard. Is any one using BitDefender with either Declude or
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  John Tolmachoff
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   Does it work?
  
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Re: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender

2004-11-03 Thread Bill Landry
It's the free version: BitDefender Free Edition v7.  We don't have it
running in production, just on a test server, but it seems to run just fine
in testing - although it is the slowest of the virus scanners we have
tested: McAfee, F-Prot, TrendMicro, and ClamAV.

Bill
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Which BitDefender product are you using?

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 BitDefender work fine with Declude Virus, don't know about mxGuard.

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  For those responding about ClamAV, my PPSS.
 
  I meant mxGuard. Is any one using BitDefender with either Declude or
  mxGuard?
 
  John Tolmachoff
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   Does it work?
  
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RE: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender

2004-11-03 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
What I am wondering is does ICS standard include the same executable for
BitDefender that your are using with your version for Declude?

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
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 It's the free version: BitDefender Free Edition v7.  We don't have it
 running in production, just on a test server, but it seems to run just
fine
 in testing - although it is the slowest of the virus scanners we have
 tested: McAfee, F-Prot, TrendMicro, and ClamAV.
 
 Bill
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 Which BitDefender product are you using?
 
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  BitDefender work fine with Declude Virus, don't know about mxGuard.
 
  Bill
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   PP
  
   For those responding about ClamAV, my PPSS.
  
   I meant mxGuard. Is any one using BitDefender with either Declude or
   mxGuard?
  
   John Tolmachoff
   Engineer/Consultant/Owner
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Re: [Declude.Virus] BitDefender

2004-11-03 Thread Bill Landry
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 What I am wondering is does ICS standard include the same executable for
 BitDefender that your are using with your version for Declude?

Don't know, but here are the details of the BitDefender command-line exe I
call with Declude:

11/17/2003  03:04p  81,408 bdc.exe

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RE: [Declude.Virus] Bitdefender claims terror ties to virus

2004-07-22 Thread marc catuogno
I agree, to a point.  Right now there IS a vast network of zombies being
used to send spam.  If the virus writers sell or give access to spammers,
they could be giving access to anyone and these compromised computers could
be used just as easily to launch DDOS attack on infrastructure as they can
to send spam.  If this story can encourage my users, and others, to put the
equivalent of plastic and duct tape on their PCs by making sure they have
updated virus software, patched Windows, put at least a simple router
between their computer and high speed connection, run spyware scans,
disabled file sharing and so on, then I will forward it along.  It may be a
bit alarmist, but it may get them to take the reasonable precautions that
they should be taking anyway to keep their computers operational and reduce
the risk that they will be compromised for any purpose.

I'll leave the real plastic, duct tape and so on to those who think it will
help

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I think it's just another individual with antisocial personality 
disorder (http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-pe04.html) who will say 
or do anything in order to illicit a critical response from us.  These 
guys love it when you draw the connection between them and terrorism and 
warn your users about the dangers of their code.

If real terrorists wanted to be doing us harm, they wouldn't be futzing 
around with a dime-a-dozen viruses, they would be building networks of 
zombies for powerful and extended DDOS attacks on infrastructure.  Such 
tactics have already been done by a 16 year old circa 2001, so this may 
be beneath them.

Real terrorists don't strive to become just simply a nuisance, but 
mentally ill social misfits will take whatever they can get.  I however 
won't put it past some of these guys doing it just for fun.

I think it's best to put the plastic sheets and duct tape away for the 
time being :)

Matt



marc catuogno wrote:

What do you guys think of this?

http://antivirus.about.com/od/virusdescriptions/a/atakb.htm

I've forwarded it to all my users, maybe they will take their computer
security more seriously.

Marc



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RE: [Declude.Virus] Bitdefender claims terror ties to virus

2004-07-22 Thread Markus Gufler


 Right now there IS a vast network of 
 zombies being used to send spam.  If the virus writers sell 
 or give access to spammers, they could be giving access to 
 anyone and these compromised computers could be used just as 
 easily to launch DDOS attack on infrastructure as they can to 
 send spam.  

This is why I really really hope that someone write a Sasser-like worm with
the only intention to activate something very nerve-racking on the infected
machine. (5-minute popups or automaticaly deactivated hardware devices like
mouse, printer, floppy, cdrom...)

If someone is able to get a virus it should also be able to make updates!

If he's an ignorant or not able to do this necessary task he's a potential
security risk for other users updating the own machine. So he should be
nerved until he decides that regular updates are the minor drawback

As we know virus writers take care that the local users doesn't notice the
infection. Only spammed and DDOS'ed users can feel the load.

So please can someone write SoNerve.A ?

Markus

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Re: [Declude.Virus] Bitdefender claims terror ties to virus

2004-07-21 Thread Matt
I think it's just another individual with antisocial personality 
disorder (http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-pe04.html) who will say 
or do anything in order to illicit a critical response from us.  These 
guys love it when you draw the connection between them and terrorism and 
warn your users about the dangers of their code.

If real terrorists wanted to be doing us harm, they wouldn't be futzing 
around with a dime-a-dozen viruses, they would be building networks of 
zombies for powerful and extended DDOS attacks on infrastructure.  Such 
tactics have already been done by a 16 year old circa 2001, so this may 
be beneath them.

Real terrorists don't strive to become just simply a nuisance, but 
mentally ill social misfits will take whatever they can get.  I however 
won't put it past some of these guys doing it just for fun.

I think it's best to put the plastic sheets and duct tape away for the 
time being :)

Matt

marc catuogno wrote:
What do you guys think of this?
http://antivirus.about.com/od/virusdescriptions/a/atakb.htm
I've forwarded it to all my users, maybe they will take their computer
security more seriously.
Marc

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