Re: Re[6]: [Declude.Virus] testvirus.org #17

2004-12-20 Thread William Stillwell
But the Mcafee DOES detect the Virus string in the SMD file., But
declude reports no virus.
(This is for test #17)
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I turned if off and it still got through.

This test message contains:
Test #17: Eicar virus hidden using the CR Vulnerability (attachment can 
be
opened by all versions of Microsoft Outlook and Outlook Express)
...
I just checked this one, and it got through here, too.  I examined the raw 
source of the E-mail, and there doesn't appear to be a lone CR character 
in it, so it doesn't appear to actually contain the Outlook CR 
Vulnerability.

   -Scott
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Re: Re[6]: [Declude.Virus] testvirus.org #17

2004-12-20 Thread R. Scott Perry

But the Mcafee DOES detect the Virus string in the SMD file., But
declude reports no virus.
(This is for test #17)
Declude Virus doesn't detect a virus, because there are no vulnerabilities 
in the E-mail (despite what the test description says).

McAfee does not detect it when called by Declude Virus, because Declude 
Virus only sends MIME segments, attachments, and other such files to 
McAfee.  Since the eicar.com file appears in the headers, where mail 
clients should be unable to see an attachment, the eicar.com file isn't 
sent to McAfee.

As to why McAfee detects it, it is most likely due to differences in the 
way that the E-mail is scanned.

   -Scott
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Re: Re[6]: [Declude.Virus] testvirus.org #17

2004-12-20 Thread William Stillwell
Ahhh..
So Declude doesn't actually Send the SMD file to the Scanner..
It takes the Message Body, wirtes it to a Tmp File, and then scans it?
Why not just scan the SMD file , Headers and All ?

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From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Re[6]: [Declude.Virus] testvirus.org #17



But the Mcafee DOES detect the Virus string in the SMD file., But
declude reports no virus.
(This is for test #17)
Declude Virus doesn't detect a virus, because there are no vulnerabilities 
in the E-mail (despite what the test description says).

McAfee does not detect it when called by Declude Virus, because Declude 
Virus only sends MIME segments, attachments, and other such files to 
McAfee.  Since the eicar.com file appears in the headers, where mail 
clients should be unable to see an attachment, the eicar.com file isn't 
sent to McAfee.

As to why McAfee detects it, it is most likely due to differences in the 
way that the E-mail is scanned.

   -Scott
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Re: Re[6]: [Declude.Virus] testvirus.org #17

2004-12-20 Thread R. Scott Perry

So Declude doesn't actually Send the SMD file to the Scanner..
Correct.
It takes the Message Body, wirtes it to a Tmp File, and then scans it?
Why not just scan the SMD file , Headers and All ?
Because very few AV programs can read a .SMD file.  They make their big 
bucks by selling mailserver virus scanners ($1,000s), as opposed to desktop 
scanners ($10s), so they don't want the deskstop scanners to scan .SMD files.

   -Scott
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Re: Re[6]: [Declude.Virus] testvirus.org #17

2004-12-20 Thread Bill Landry
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From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 So Declude doesn't actually Send the SMD file to the Scanner..

 Correct.

 It takes the Message Body, wirtes it to a Tmp File, and then scans it?
 Why not just scan the SMD file , Headers and All ?

 Because very few AV programs can read a .SMD file.  They make their big
 bucks by selling mailserver virus scanners ($1,000s), as opposed to
desktop
 scanners ($10s), so they don't want the deskstop scanners to scan .SMD
files.

Many, if not most, desktop command-line scanners today have support for
mail/mime encoded files:
===
F-Prot: -server  Turns on heuristics that are suitable when scanning mail
messages on a mail server.

McAfee: --mime  Option tells the VirusScan Command Line application to
detect infections within archives converted to UUEncode, XXEncode, Base64,
and BinHex formats.

ClamAV: ScanMail  Enable internal e-mail scanner (Default: enabled)

BitDefender: --mail  Scan mail databases

Sophos: -mime  Scan files encoded in MIME format
===

Bill

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