Re: [libreoffice-design] Contextual Group Toolbar

[Heiko Tietze]

Will reply on bugzilla

On 02/15/2017 10:55 PM, kainz.a wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I like the proposal of the Notebook toolbars in general I'm a big fan of
> the contextual grouped toolbar. So I make a mockup for Writer and add bug
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106035.
> 
> https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=131263
> 
>...


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Concept – Contextual Toolbar with Add-Button

[Heiko Tietze]

Hi Thibaut,

looks like a really cool Notebookbar focusing on the average user with a broad 
spectrum of needs - Eve. The current 'contextual sections' variant was made 
having Benjamin in mind. Therefore all icons have a label, sections are 
labeled, and only the most relevant features are present. Big buttons should 
stand out, ideally with more detailed and colored icons so that the visual 
focus goes to those buttons. Your layout is rather balanced, and with the 
sparingly use of labels there is enough space to provide more functions. Users 
with not so perfect sight may struggle with bullets vs. numbers, for instance, 
that are distinguished by only a few pixels. Casual users may not recognize 
some functions and need to read the tooltips.

The idea to show a menu when the width is not sufficient for all icons is quite 
interesting. You may compare it with the implementation at the tabbed variant. 
But I wouldn't use Add and a plus icon, though. 

And last but not least about user expectation. This was also a question when we 
created the contextual sections. But on the other hand we have a sidebar that 
allows very efficient access with widescreen displays. And why not show a few 
functions in the toolbar and everything else in the sidebar? Calligra did this 
and has only New, Open, Save, Undo, Redo, Cut, Copy, Paste, and Find in the 
toolbar.

So far from my side. Many thanks for sharing your idea,
Heiko

On 02/15/2017 08:55 PM, Thibaut Brandscheid wrote:
>  Here my concept about how the LO Writer toolbar could be improved. I have
> spend around 20 hours on it and to my surprising it is quite similar to the
> current default design. I spend a good amount of time thinking about
> use-cases, button positioning and alignment. In the end there are a lot of
> buttons (actions) that are expected to be there, which keeps the
> possibilities to change things at a low level. Unversed users expect to
> find e.g. copy & paste buttons, so I could not rationalize them away, same
> for a lot of other functionality.
> 
> Let me know what you think!
> 
> 960 px low-width mode:
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6yaM-XqO5AOUEQ5WC00SnpLTzg/view?usp=sharing
> 1280 px normal-width mode:
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6yaM-XqO5AONDM4X3R4Q2YxUzA/view?usp=sharing
> Zip with GIMP files:
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6yaM-XqO5AObnFSSFB6S1diLUk/view?usp=sharing
> (ctrl+shift+t to toggle show-guides in GIMP)
> 
> 
> ---
> 
> 
> *Overview*
> 
> This design is based on the Notebookbar concept. It borrows the idea of big
> icons with text to build visual groups and extends it with the idea of
> having a low and normal width interface. The low-width UI introduces the
> add-button which aggregates all add-a-thing actions, like adding a table or
> page break. The content of the last visual toolbar group adapts contextual
> to the currently focused UI-element and is therefor not always visible.
> 
> 
> *Spacing*
> 
> This toolbar design is based on an 8 px grid.
> 
> 
>- Top, left and bottom padding of the toolbar: 24 px
>- Padding between buttons: 16 px
>- Padding between button and vertical line: 12 px (padding left & right
>from line = 24)
>- Padding between toolbar and document sheet: 24 px
> 
> 
> Application window size:
> normal 1280 px  (160 x 8)
> low960 px  (120 x 8)
> 
> 
> *Low & Normal Width Mode *
> 
> If the application window is less than 1280 px wide, the low-width mode is
> activated and only there the add-button is present. Since the content of
> the last toolbar group is context based, it must always contain an
> add-button in low-width mode – a small version is sufficient – e.g. to
> insert media into a table.
> 
> In normal-mode the add-button content is displayed as separate toolbar
> group and the add-button is not present.
> 
> 
> *Explanation*
> 
> Office applications by nature incorporate complexity. To allow unversed
> users to carry basic tasks, the UI has to be simple and straight forward.
> Advanced actions should be present – but easily ignoble.
> 
> All displayed buttons are either expected to be there (save, copy, paste…),
> are needed to provide basic functionality (bold, text-size, left-align …)
> or are lesser accessed but handy actions (add-table, comment,
> page-settings...).
> 
> The ruler is not displayed by default because it is an advanced feature.
> 

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Re: [libreoffice-design] missing icons(name)

[kainz.a]

thanks a lot

that help me

2017-02-16 17:36 GMT+01:00 Regina Henschel :

> Hi Andreas,
>
> kainz.a schrieb:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I need icon names how can I find out the icon name of an function
>> e.g. uno:PasteUnformatted I know it didn't had an icon but when I know how
>> the icon is called I'll add one (in breeze).
>>
>
> If you do not compile LibreOffice yourself, but only want to add an icon
> via the customize dialog, then the name does not matter.
>
> In case you want to compile LibreOffice yourself, you find all needed
> information in the README of the 'icon-themes' folder.
>
> Short answer: All command characters to lower characters and prefix with
> lc_ for large icons and sc_ for small icons. In your example you get
> lc_pasteunformatted.png and sc_pasteunformatted.png
>
> Kind regards
> Regina
>
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Re: [libreoffice-design] missing icons(name)

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Andreas,

kainz.a schrieb:

Hi,

I need icon names how can I find out the icon name of an function
e.g. uno:PasteUnformatted I know it didn't had an icon but when I know how
the icon is called I'll add one (in breeze).


If you do not compile LibreOffice yourself, but only want to add an icon 
via the customize dialog, then the name does not matter.


In case you want to compile LibreOffice yourself, you find all needed 
information in the README of the 'icon-themes' folder.


Short answer: All command characters to lower characters and prefix with 
lc_ for large icons and sc_ for small icons. In your example you get 
lc_pasteunformatted.png and sc_pasteunformatted.png


Kind regards
Regina


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[libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2017-Feb-16

[Heiko Tietze]

Definitely the visual user experience as well :-).

On 02/16/2017 01:27 PM, K-J LibreOffice wrote:
> Hi all,
> Am 16.02.2017 um 13:13 schrieb Heiko Tietze:
>>
>>  * Have a special UX hackfest/meeting?
>>+ idea from Arnaud acknowledged by TDF
>>+ who would attend? (Jay)
>>  + me *g* (Heiko)
> 
> Maybe not a UX but a Design hackfest/meeting?
> 


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[libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2017-Feb-16

[K-J LibreOffice]

Hi all,
Am 16.02.2017 um 13:13 schrieb Heiko Tietze:


 * Have a special UX hackfest/meeting?
   + idea from Arnaud acknowledged by TDF
   + who would attend? (Jay)
 + me *g* (Heiko)


Maybe not a UX but a Design hackfest/meeting?

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[libreoffice-design] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2017-Feb-16

[Heiko Tietze]

Present: Thibaut, Jay, Heiko, Tomaz

Welcome back to the design team, Thibaut!

Organization

 * Release plan for 5.4?
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/5.4 still missing

 * Sidebar Guidelines
   + Design Session: 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oKabPLLVe9s53i475W1-v0QA7cxc_0oT0qfVr68KWjM/edit?usp=sharing
   + Blog post: 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1_JdBb6g1pxixXWqhSXXA06dnRdYkGk4AapuOE1JaZDM
   + fix issue with tab from last control to content panel title (should go to 
hamburger)
   + skim through it once again (Jay)
   + publish tomorrow

 * Have a special UX hackfest/meeting?
   + idea from Arnaud acknowledged by TDF
   + who would attend? (Jay)
 + me *g* (Heiko)

 * Use Git for guidelines?
   + pro: managed review process (Heiko)
   + allows linking with dev repo and to have a comparision of code state with 
guideline state (Thibaut)
   + formatting needs to be considered (Thibaut), maybe use a "markdown" tool, 
e.g. http://www.sphinx-doc.org/en/stable/
   + Similar solution is being considered at KDE as well (Heiko)

GSoC projects
(see also https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas)

 * Ideas are collected under http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/UX-GSoC_Ideas
   + Added: 21 Revamp the Customization dialog, 22 Multi-color gradient
   + Found mentors for some projects but still room for more

Tickets

 * Add donate link to the help menu
   + help increase the access number significantly
   + suggestion by tdf team to do the same for donations
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105831
   + idea was discussed during the rework on the help menu (Jay)
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96015
   + no one voted against this solution so do it (Heiko)

 * Modify table styles 
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101648
   + Backport to 5.3 (Xisco)
   + solved by hiding the menu items
   + will add a task to GSoC projects (Heiko)

 * Restore Clear Direct Formatting
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102915
   + Cor will handle this (Jay)
   + Idea is to have the standard paragraph and character styles in a submenu 
 along with edit styles and clear direct formatting (Jay)
   + would be the same as in the main menu
   + should be improved to user-defined styles or styles used in the document 
(Heiko)

 * Gridline/Helpline gate
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105560
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105326
   + issue is that it's not clear where settings are stored, per account, 
session, or document (Heiko)
   + proposal is to make Tools > Options settings always account related, and 
to have
 menu setting should change the property per session or document (Heiko)
   + today we have various settings in the View menu for instance that are 
permanent,
 which would be needed to be non-permanent or link to the Tools>Options 
dialog (Thibaut)
   + alternatively have a clear separation of account vs. document/session 
related settings 
 in the options dialog (Jay)
 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105751
   + View menu is rather a shortcut to Tools>Options and almost all functions 
are permanent (Jay)
   + while this usability issue is clear, that's how most other programs work 
(Thibaut)




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