Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1
Hi Cor There are two bugs that should be fixed first. 1. Keyboard navigation didn't work well 2. Chart module don't respect NB. Add an chart to writer and see the issue. but the main issue is, there is NO developer how will fix bugs when nb is out of experimental. This has to be fixed first. If there is one dev how care about upcoming bugs than nb can be out of experimental and than I be motivated to finish the nb work, cause there is some work missing like nb for draw. If you find a developer, let me know, than it would be a pleasure for me to work with her/him. It would be the right time to start now for 6.2 Cheers Andreas_k infinitytec schrieb am Do., 13. Sep. 2018, 00:23: > I agree. > I have been really enjoying the polish that the tabbed Notebookbar has in > 6.1. > > Dare I even say it may be a good idea to have the tabbed notebookbar as > default on Windows builds? It would better integrate with the system, like > Colibre. > > > > *Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not > understand it.* > *-A variation on Clarke's Third Law* > > Original message > From: Cor Nouws > Date: 9/12/18 3:57 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: "kainz.a" , Mike Saunders < > mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> > Cc: design@global.libreoffice.org > Subject: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] > Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1 > > Hi Andreas, all, > > kainz.a wrote on 30-05-18 10:02: > > > Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's are ready. I already update the UI so that > they > > can be "released". Groupedbar and Tabbedbar has a full and a compact > view. > > ... > > As far as I've seen, all is still under experimental in master 6.2 > > It would support testing / visibility to already change that now. > What do you think? > > -- > Cor Nouws > GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 > - vrijwilliger https://nl.libreoffice.org > - volunteer https://www.libreoffice.org > - Member Board The Document Foundation > - http://www.nouenoff.nl / https://www.mijnclouoffice.nl > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1
Hi Andreas, all, kainz.a wrote on 30-05-18 10:02: > Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's are ready. I already update the UI so that they > can be "released". Groupedbar and Tabbedbar has a full and a compact view. > ... As far as I've seen, all is still under experimental in master 6.2 It would support testing / visibility to already change that now. What do you think? -- Cor Nouws GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 - vrijwilliger https://nl.libreoffice.org - volunteer https://www.libreoffice.org - Member Board The Document Foundation - http://www.nouenoff.nl / https://www.mijnclouoffice.nl -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2018-Sep-12
Present: Cor, Heiko * Objections to enlarged icons on hover in online help? + patch: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/60053/ + The effect is really annoying and I can’t think of any user experience-related benefit this might have (Adolfo) + There are upvotes in our chats (Olivier) + sample page https://help.libreoffice.org/6.2/en-US/text/simpress/02/1008.html?DbPAR=IMPRESS#bm_id3149050 + minor issue: all icons including the one on notification bars for example are enlarged on hoover => WFM, no reverting/modification needed (Cor, Heiko) * Image caption, inconsistency: caption for images is now "figure" and no longer "illustration" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119738 + WF, as there is no working solution + Serious concerns (Cor) + Issues due to equal translation of different captions + keep the last used caption enabled over sessions resp. store with template (Heiko) + having no category like it is the fact for legacy documents could go with Illustration + looks good; want some more time though to investigate (Cor) + Captions and languages always were not friends, see bug 104089 (Lendo) => bring up to ESC to find a good solution code-wise * There isn't tool Gradient from toolbar Transformations on Sidebar + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119689 + WFM, no all features are needed on the sidebar (Heiko) + ideally the sidebar provides only a dropdown for predefined gradients + agree that the HIG says so (Cor) + it looks however that people start / want more and more available there.. + would be nice to have this nice and useful tool on a more prominent position (Cor) + how about the context menu; needs investigations what happens when no gradient is active => WFM, if there is no good position for the feature * Add 'Insert Column Break' to context menu for multi-column-sections + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37276 => WFM (Cor, Heiko) * Direct formatting control text Highlighting mode not toggling off + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119753 + WFM (Heiko, c5) + need more pondering (Cor) => postponed * Default set of Impress graphic styles + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94369 + proposal in c14, feedback needed => looks good (Cor) * No keyboard shortcuts for next/previous heading + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119665 + there is a command "Go to next table formula" but with no shortcut assigned + introducing a new UNO command for Next/Prev heading makes sense => change the summary accordingly; ideally with have one uno command for those actions with a modifier * Add "Calculate All" to menu "Data\Calculate" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119671 + dont see a reason against this function (Cor) => go for it * Default Page Margins - Revisited + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119395 + the default of 2cm is good since more users have the metric system + making the template depending on the locale setting is desirable + there is likely a request on BZ for settings according the locale (Cor) => DUP (or accept otherwise) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re[2]: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the design meeting 2018-Sep-05
That's a more constructive opinion. Keeping Firefox personas is dumb. But then we could discuss create a new section on LO website besides "Extensions". A section called Personas or Themes for users to add personas there, and rework the personas back-end to fetch personas from there. However, some preinstalled personas would be welcome and maybe make it possible to change personas per module. I would love to see all of this. Is there anyone interested and with the skills to do it though? Go ahead. Otherwise it's simply better to deprecate instead of leaving that to rot. On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 3:37 PM toki wrote: > On 2018-09-12 2:00 p.m., Pedro Rosmaninho wrote: > > > It´s nice to vote to keep something in, but when that something is > constantly breaking > > Why is it constantly breaking? > > Part of it is that it relies on a site operated and controlled by The > Mozilla Foundation, using a product there that that organization has > depreciated. > > Once upon a time, persona could be configured to use files on one's > system. More specifically it was either > > /opt/libreoffice.version.number/share/gallery/ or > /home/user-name/.config/libreoffice/4/user/gallery/persona or > ~/share/gallery/persona/. > > Indeed, going into Expert Configuration, it looks like it can still be > configured from there. However, like everything else in Expert > Configuration, there is no user documentation. Is the "no" next to > string, for Persona a boolean value, and if so, why isn't it marked as > such. Or is it supposed to be the file? > > Playing with those values, doesn't enable Persona. Did I use "bad > values"? Has the ability to configure it from the expert setting been > completely removed? Has something else been broken? I can't tell. > > >and there's minimal dev interest to fix or improve it > > According to Archive.org, the average lifespan of a webpage is under 18 > months. As such, relying on a third party website to provide > functionality is incredibly short-sighted. > > >Would any of the people in favor be willing to fix it and improve it? > It's as simple as that. > > Personally, I'd rip out the "Select Firefox Theme", and at > ">LibreOffice >Paths" under Type add "Persona", and set path > "/home/toki/.config/libreoffice/4/user/gallery//persona" as the default. > > jonathon > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re[2]: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the design meeting 2018-Sep-05
On 2018-09-12 2:00 p.m., Pedro Rosmaninho wrote: > It´s nice to vote to keep something in, but when that something is constantly > breaking Why is it constantly breaking? Part of it is that it relies on a site operated and controlled by The Mozilla Foundation, using a product there that that organization has depreciated. Once upon a time, persona could be configured to use files on one's system. More specifically it was either /opt/libreoffice.version.number/share/gallery/ or /home/user-name/.config/libreoffice/4/user/gallery/persona or ~/share/gallery/persona/. Indeed, going into Expert Configuration, it looks like it can still be configured from there. However, like everything else in Expert Configuration, there is no user documentation. Is the "no" next to string, for Persona a boolean value, and if so, why isn't it marked as such. Or is it supposed to be the file? Playing with those values, doesn't enable Persona. Did I use "bad values"? Has the ability to configure it from the expert setting been completely removed? Has something else been broken? I can't tell. >and there's minimal dev interest to fix or improve it According to Archive.org, the average lifespan of a webpage is under 18 months. As such, relying on a third party website to provide functionality is incredibly short-sighted. >Would any of the people in favor be willing to fix it and improve it? It's as >simple as that. Personally, I'd rip out the "Select Firefox Theme", and at ">LibreOffice >Paths" under Type add "Persona", and set path "/home/toki/.config/libreoffice/4/user/gallery//persona" as the default. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re[2]: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the design meeting 2018-Sep-05
Pedro, you are absolute right. When you have a look at oxygen icons they were dropped cause there was no maintainer available since years. after they were dropped a new designer say he want to maintain. In general a CLEAR statement why something will be dropped is better than have something that is broken. Am Mi., 12. Sep. 2018 um 16:00 Uhr schrieb Pedro Rosmaninho < mota.pr...@gmail.com>: > That's all very nice but... Who fixes it? > It´s nice to vote to keep something in, but when that something is > constantly breaking and there's minimal dev interest to fix or improve it > (and it needs some dire improvements) why keep it then? Would any of the > people in favor be willing to fix it and improve it? It's as simple as that. > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 1:50 PM Halmai, Csongor wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> from my personal perspective, I don't use personas, I never did. But... >> >> I taught hundreds of people, children and adults as well and I can say >> most people like "funny little harmless" things >> like this. >> >> Just imagine how many users change their desktop background, even if they >> cannot see it the whole day. They simply just >> like personalize it. I think such a little thing that makes LO more >> attractive for the newcomers, should be kept. >> >> If it breaks then it should be fixed. >> >> Csongor >> >> >> >> >> On 2018.09.12. 3:44, infinitytec wrote: >> > I'd have to agree with the idea of removing Personas. Why? Because they >> keep breaking. A couple of prebuilt solid themes would do the trick. Allow >> people to make and tweak themes as well, and even add images. It could, >> perhaps, still be compatible with the Persona system, but rely only on LO >> to function, as I know some issues have been caused on Mozilla's end. >> > >> > >> > Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not >> understand it.-A variation on Clarke's Third Law >> > Original message From: Jean-Francois Nifenecker < >> jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net> Date: 9/11/18 12:22 PM >> (GMT-06:00) To: "Роман К." <79045_79...@mail.ru>, Pedro Rosmaninho < >> mota.pr...@gmail.com> Cc: sberg...@redhat.com, >> design@global.libreoffice.org, libreoffice-dev < >> libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org>, "kainz.a" >> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Re[2]: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from >> the >> >design meeting 2018-Sep-05 >> > Le 06/09/2018 à 12:32, Роман К. a écrit : >> >> Hello, all. I agree with "killing" Firefox personas. And I like adding >> just 4-5 solid color themes. >> >> >> > I've (manually) added the LibreOffice 4 Light Ambiance persona from >> > Firefox on my trainer PC >> > ( >> https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/libreoffice-4-light-ambiance/?src=search >> ). >> > >> > Adding them is a chore: you've got to use the advanced mode because, as >> > already stated, the UI is not working anymore for a lng time. >> > >> > After having doubts about personas (in fact I was very reluctant to >> > using them), I can tell that it draws attention during training >> sessions ;-) >> > >> > So, I'd strongly vote to keep (and fix) the personas thingy and against >> > having only solid themes. >> > >> >> -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re[2]: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the design meeting 2018-Sep-05
That's all very nice but... Who fixes it? It´s nice to vote to keep something in, but when that something is constantly breaking and there's minimal dev interest to fix or improve it (and it needs some dire improvements) why keep it then? Would any of the people in favor be willing to fix it and improve it? It's as simple as that. On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 1:50 PM Halmai, Csongor wrote: > Hi All, > > from my personal perspective, I don't use personas, I never did. But... > > I taught hundreds of people, children and adults as well and I can say > most people like "funny little harmless" things > like this. > > Just imagine how many users change their desktop background, even if they > cannot see it the whole day. They simply just > like personalize it. I think such a little thing that makes LO more > attractive for the newcomers, should be kept. > > If it breaks then it should be fixed. > > Csongor > > > > > On 2018.09.12. 3:44, infinitytec wrote: > > I'd have to agree with the idea of removing Personas. Why? Because they > keep breaking. A couple of prebuilt solid themes would do the trick. Allow > people to make and tweak themes as well, and even add images. It could, > perhaps, still be compatible with the Persona system, but rely only on LO > to function, as I know some issues have been caused on Mozilla's end. > > > > > > Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not > understand it.-A variation on Clarke's Third Law > > Original message From: Jean-Francois Nifenecker < > jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net> Date: 9/11/18 12:22 PM > (GMT-06:00) To: "Роман К." <79045_79...@mail.ru>, Pedro Rosmaninho < > mota.pr...@gmail.com> Cc: sberg...@redhat.com, > design@global.libreoffice.org, libreoffice-dev < > libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org>, "kainz.a" > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Re[2]: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from > the > >design meeting 2018-Sep-05 > > Le 06/09/2018 à 12:32, Роман К. a écrit : > >> Hello, all. I agree with "killing" Firefox personas. And I like adding > just 4-5 solid color themes. > >> > > I've (manually) added the LibreOffice 4 Light Ambiance persona from > > Firefox on my trainer PC > > ( > https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/libreoffice-4-light-ambiance/?src=search > ). > > > > Adding them is a chore: you've got to use the advanced mode because, as > > already stated, the UI is not working anymore for a lng time. > > > > After having doubts about personas (in fact I was very reluctant to > > using them), I can tell that it draws attention during training sessions > ;-) > > > > So, I'd strongly vote to keep (and fix) the personas thingy and against > > having only solid themes. > > > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re[2]: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the design meeting 2018-Sep-05
Hi All, from my personal perspective, I don't use personas, I never did. But... I taught hundreds of people, children and adults as well and I can say most people like "funny little harmless" things like this. Just imagine how many users change their desktop background, even if they cannot see it the whole day. They simply just like personalize it. I think such a little thing that makes LO more attractive for the newcomers, should be kept. If it breaks then it should be fixed. Csongor On 2018.09.12. 3:44, infinitytec wrote: I'd have to agree with the idea of removing Personas. Why? Because they keep breaking. A couple of prebuilt solid themes would do the trick. Allow people to make and tweak themes as well, and even add images. It could, perhaps, still be compatible with the Persona system, but rely only on LO to function, as I know some issues have been caused on Mozilla's end. Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not understand it.-A variation on Clarke's Third Law Original message From: Jean-Francois Nifenecker Date: 9/11/18 12:22 PM (GMT-06:00) To: "Роман К." <79045_79...@mail.ru>, Pedro Rosmaninho Cc: sberg...@redhat.com, design@global.libreoffice.org, libreoffice-dev , "kainz.a" Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Re[2]: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the design meeting 2018-Sep-05 Le 06/09/2018 à 12:32, Роман К. a écrit : Hello, all. I agree with "killing" Firefox personas. And I like adding just 4-5 solid color themes. I've (manually) added the LibreOffice 4 Light Ambiance persona from Firefox on my trainer PC (https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/libreoffice-4-light-ambiance/?src=search). Adding them is a chore: you've got to use the advanced mode because, as already stated, the UI is not working anymore for a lng time. After having doubts about personas (in fact I was very reluctant to using them), I can tell that it draws attention during training sessions ;-) So, I'd strongly vote to keep (and fix) the personas thingy and against having only solid themes. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
