Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1
Good to hear! Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not understand it.-A variation on Clarke's Third Law Original message From: Pedro Rosmaninho Date: 9/13/18 8:47 AM (GMT-06:00) To: "kainz.a" Cc: riz_17_...@yahoo.co.id, Joe Brazell , Cor Nouws , Mike Saunders , design@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1 It appears Kshitij Pathania will try to keep working on the Notebookbar. We should keep incentivizing him so that he won't fade away. On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 12:13 PM kainz.a wrote: Is it possible if someone implement first time wizard to choose interface? Or maybe at least an slideshow to the installer. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1
It appears Kshitij Pathania will try to keep working on the Notebookbar. We should keep incentivizing him so that he won't fade away. On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 12:13 PM kainz.a wrote: > > Is it possible if someone implement first time wizard to choose interface? >> > > Or maybe at least an slideshow to the installer. > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1
> Is it possible if someone implement first time wizard to choose interface? > Or maybe at least an slideshow to the installer. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1
The NB keyboard shortcut is very important for accessibility. It one of a big blocker for user. Is it possible if someone implement first time wizard to choose interface? On 9/13/18 3:52 PM, kainz.a wrote: Pedro, I'm always open for improvements best would be to fill a bug report and I can do the ui changes. Am Do., 13. Sep. 2018 um 10:42 Uhr schrieb Pedro Rosmaninho < mota.pr...@gmail.com>: There are some things on the layout that need to be improved and do not require a dev. Some things that can be done with Glade. :) As for having a dev to work on bugfixing I completely agree with you. On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 9:35 AM kainz.a wrote: As long as there is no developer how will do bugfixing for at least 2 releases we don't have to talk about change defaults. Maybe we can show an startup configuration dialogue or like ubuntu did show how to change to another layout. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1
Pedro, I'm always open for improvements best would be to fill a bug report and I can do the ui changes. Am Do., 13. Sep. 2018 um 10:42 Uhr schrieb Pedro Rosmaninho < mota.pr...@gmail.com>: > There are some things on the layout that need to be improved and do not > require a dev. Some things that can be done with Glade. :) > > As for having a dev to work on bugfixing I completely agree with you. > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 9:35 AM kainz.a wrote: > >> As long as there is no developer how will do bugfixing for at least 2 >> releases we don't have to talk about change defaults. >> >> Maybe we can show an startup configuration dialogue or like ubuntu did >> show how to change to another layout. >> > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1
There are some things on the layout that need to be improved and do not require a dev. Some things that can be done with Glade. :) As for having a dev to work on bugfixing I completely agree with you. On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 9:35 AM kainz.a wrote: > As long as there is no developer how will do bugfixing for at least 2 > releases we don't have to talk about change defaults. > > Maybe we can show an startup configuration dialogue or like ubuntu did > show how to change to another layout. > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1
As long as there is no developer how will do bugfixing for at least 2 releases we don't have to talk about change defaults. Maybe we can show an startup configuration dialogue or like ubuntu did show how to change to another layout. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1
And I would love to see the tabbed bar as the default in Windows... I think most skepticism against a Ribbon UI comes from Linux LO users so for those I would retain the classic toolbar. On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 9:22 AM Pedro Rosmaninho wrote: > We have to see if Kshitij has any interest in finishing the polishing of > the Tabbed bar. And what about Szymon Klos, Andreas? Would he be available? > > As for the tabbed bar, there's still some improvements that I would like > to suggest in the general layout. Minor things. > And the other day I found a toolbar that was activated in the tabbed bar > that shouldn't be active. > And yes, chart editing is the big block right now. > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 5:43 AM kainz.a wrote: > >> Hi Cor >> >> There are two bugs that should be fixed first. >> >> 1. Keyboard navigation didn't work well >> 2. Chart module don't respect NB. Add an chart to writer and see the >> issue. >> >> but the main issue is, there is NO developer how will fix bugs when nb is >> out of experimental. This has to be fixed first. If there is one dev how >> care about upcoming bugs than nb can be out of experimental and than I be >> motivated to finish the nb work, cause there is some work missing like nb >> for draw. >> >> If you find a developer, let me know, than it would be a pleasure for me >> to >> work with her/him. It would be the right time to start now for 6.2 >> >> Cheers >> Andreas_k >> >> infinitytec schrieb am Do., 13. Sep. 2018, >> 00:23: >> >> > I agree. >> > I have been really enjoying the polish that the tabbed Notebookbar has >> in >> > 6.1. >> > >> > Dare I even say it may be a good idea to have the tabbed notebookbar as >> > default on Windows builds? It would better integrate with the system, >> like >> > Colibre. >> > >> > >> > >> > *Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not >> > understand it.* >> > *-A variation on Clarke's Third Law* >> > >> > Original message >> > From: Cor Nouws >> > Date: 9/12/18 3:57 PM (GMT-06:00) >> > To: "kainz.a" , Mike Saunders < >> > mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> >> > Cc: design@global.libreoffice.org >> > Subject: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] >> > Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1 >> > >> > Hi Andreas, all, >> > >> > kainz.a wrote on 30-05-18 10:02: >> > >> > > Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's are ready. I already update the UI so that >> > they >> > > can be "released". Groupedbar and Tabbedbar has a full and a compact >> > view. >> > > ... >> > >> > As far as I've seen, all is still under experimental in master 6.2 >> > >> > It would support testing / visibility to already change that now. >> > What do you think? >> > >> > -- >> > Cor Nouws >> > GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 >> 80A6 >> > - vrijwilliger https://nl.libreoffice.org >> > - volunteer https://www.libreoffice.org >> > - Member Board The Document Foundation >> > - http://www.nouenoff.nl / https://www.mijnclouoffice.nl >> > >> > -- >> > To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >> > Problems? >> > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> > Posting guidelines + more: >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ >> > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy >> > >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ >> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy >> > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1
We have to see if Kshitij has any interest in finishing the polishing of the Tabbed bar. And what about Szymon Klos, Andreas? Would he be available? As for the tabbed bar, there's still some improvements that I would like to suggest in the general layout. Minor things. And the other day I found a toolbar that was activated in the tabbed bar that shouldn't be active. And yes, chart editing is the big block right now. On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 5:43 AM kainz.a wrote: > Hi Cor > > There are two bugs that should be fixed first. > > 1. Keyboard navigation didn't work well > 2. Chart module don't respect NB. Add an chart to writer and see the issue. > > but the main issue is, there is NO developer how will fix bugs when nb is > out of experimental. This has to be fixed first. If there is one dev how > care about upcoming bugs than nb can be out of experimental and than I be > motivated to finish the nb work, cause there is some work missing like nb > for draw. > > If you find a developer, let me know, than it would be a pleasure for me to > work with her/him. It would be the right time to start now for 6.2 > > Cheers > Andreas_k > > infinitytec schrieb am Do., 13. Sep. 2018, 00:23: > > > I agree. > > I have been really enjoying the polish that the tabbed Notebookbar has in > > 6.1. > > > > Dare I even say it may be a good idea to have the tabbed notebookbar as > > default on Windows builds? It would better integrate with the system, > like > > Colibre. > > > > > > > > *Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not > > understand it.* > > *-A variation on Clarke's Third Law* > > > > Original message > > From: Cor Nouws > > Date: 9/12/18 3:57 PM (GMT-06:00) > > To: "kainz.a" , Mike Saunders < > > mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> > > Cc: design@global.libreoffice.org > > Subject: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] > > Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1 > > > > Hi Andreas, all, > > > > kainz.a wrote on 30-05-18 10:02: > > > > > Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's are ready. I already update the UI so that > > they > > > can be "released". Groupedbar and Tabbedbar has a full and a compact > > view. > > > ... > > > > As far as I've seen, all is still under experimental in master 6.2 > > > > It would support testing / visibility to already change that now. > > What do you think? > > > > -- > > Cor Nouws > > GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 > 80A6 > > - vrijwilliger https://nl.libreoffice.org > > - volunteer https://www.libreoffice.org > > - Member Board The Document Foundation > > - http://www.nouenoff.nl / https://www.mijnclouoffice.nl > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > > Problems? > > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > > Posting guidelines + more: > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re[2]: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the design meeting 2018-Sep-05
I clearly understand if there is no resource for keeping broken or non-functioning parts of the code then it is better to drop them. I just wanted to emphasize that for many user, such minor and useless things really do count. So, if it is possible then it should be kept. From the technical background, I don't know too much. If the only problem is that the Mozilla Foundation does not maintain the personas repository well or the way is changing how LO could get the content from there then it still would be beneficial to mirror a larger set of personas in an official LibreOffice persona repository, saying that - the original source is Mozilla - more personas can be downloaded from anywhere. Replying the question of Pedro Rosmaninho "Who fixes it?": I am not sure how big the problem is. I don't even know who implemented the persona feature in LO but if _I_ was it and it wouldn't work anymore, I think I would do everything to fix it. Cutting my code out of LO is something I would never let. So, let's ask the original developer if he/she has time and resource to fix it then many LO users would be very grateful. Maybe it still can be saved. :) Csongor On 2018.09.13. 0:49, Pedro Rosmaninho wrote: That's a more constructive opinion. Keeping Firefox personas is dumb. But then we could discuss create a new section on LO website besides "Extensions". A section called Personas or Themes for users to add personas there, and rework the personas back-end to fetch personas from there. However, some preinstalled personas would be welcome and maybe make it possible to change personas per module. I would love to see all of this. Is there anyone interested and with the skills to do it though? Go ahead. Otherwise it's simply better to deprecate instead of leaving that to rot. On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 3:37 PM toki wrote: On 2018-09-12 2:00 p.m., Pedro Rosmaninho wrote: It´s nice to vote to keep something in, but when that something is constantly breaking Why is it constantly breaking? Part of it is that it relies on a site operated and controlled by The Mozilla Foundation, using a product there that that organization has depreciated. Once upon a time, persona could be configured to use files on one's system. More specifically it was either /opt/libreoffice.version.number/share/gallery/ or /home/user-name/.config/libreoffice/4/user/gallery/persona or ~/share/gallery/persona/. Indeed, going into Expert Configuration, it looks like it can still be configured from there. However, like everything else in Expert Configuration, there is no user documentation. Is the "no" next to string, for Persona a boolean value, and if so, why isn't it marked as such. Or is it supposed to be the file? Playing with those values, doesn't enable Persona. Did I use "bad values"? Has the ability to configure it from the expert setting been completely removed? Has something else been broken? I can't tell. and there's minimal dev interest to fix or improve it According to Archive.org, the average lifespan of a webpage is under 18 months. As such, relying on a third party website to provide functionality is incredibly short-sighted. Would any of the people in favor be willing to fix it and improve it? It's as simple as that. Personally, I'd rip out the "Select Firefox Theme", and at ">LibreOffice >Paths" under Type add "Persona", and set path "/home/toki/.config/libreoffice/4/user/gallery//persona" as the default. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
