[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-Jun-05 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, June/05, 20:00 GMT+2 resp. 6pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * basic HTML cell render + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161223 * RecalcOptimalRowHeightMode should be effective for CSV imports also + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160983 * UI - dashed outline for active cell border + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161204 * Support showing combinations of (named) style + direct formatting in Stylist + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161251 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday, May/30. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg00049.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-May-22
Present: Eyal, Sahil, John, Heiko Comments: Aron, Jan Tickets/Topics * When you select part of a column with merged cells, all columns that are part of the merged cell are selected + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158288 + NAB (Aron), + selection should denote/depict the merged cells (Eyal) vs. selection starts on top-left to bottom-right + we are Excel compatible, and actually even better (Heiko) + is a range-selection (not to confuse with multiple cells) meant to include all from x1 to y2; if so the behavior is correct + merged cells take actually the content from the top-left cell + copying of multi-selections is not possible + unclear use case, potentially impacting the workflow of many users (John) => comment with needinfo * Want MS-Word like auto-formatting of beginning of list item + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158874 + cool stuff (John) + could it be done via extension (Sahil) => do it * Form creating is too niche to merit a main menu item visible by default + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161031 + rarely used; conditional logic tricky to maintain and test (Jan) + was done to align with other modules, IIRC (Heiko) + changing the main menu is a PITA for users, showing conditionally like "View > [ ] Show Forms Menu" and also "[ ] Show Shapes Menu" is possible but would be quite uncommon; = NAB/WF (Heiko) + no strong opinion (John, Sahil) => resolve WF to safe users from the annoyance of changing menus * FORMCONTROLS: Add ability to Find and Replace field names + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160938 + intention is to (batch) rename fields, which is not needed (Heiko) + finding controls might make sense for a huge number of items, which is not so likely; and the Navigator lists the content nicely plus will have different sort methods (Heiko, John) + being an ODF editor requires a place to find everything which is defined (Eyal) + F with RegEx works well and might be handy for object names in some cases (Eyal) => both points are valid, keep ticket -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-May-30 (THU)
Hello everyone, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Thursday, May/30, 14:00 CEST resp. 12pm/noon UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * UNO Sidebar 'Hide' and 'Show' sidebar deck (splitwin) -- a new function (available for assigning a shortcut key to it) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161037 * Special Find presets with regular expression + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161029 * Provide framework to suppress editing with direct formatting of a styled document, or template + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153309 * Print dialog: Put initial focus to "Printer" combobox + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161082 * Add "Apply" button to all tabs of Table Properties dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160858 All topics being on the agenda are collected in this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is tomorrow, Wednesday May/22. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg00044.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-May-16
Present: Rafael, Sahil, Cor, Heiko, Hossein Comments: Stuart, Eyal, Ady Tickets/Topics * Add .uno:VRuler button to NB Tabbed/Tabbed Compact cutomize View list + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160694 + use main menu (Stuart) + suggest to split uno:Rulers into VRuler and HRuler and make the two individual settings in tools > options > view as well as a dropdown with both options in the tabbed NB (and the classic UI) (Rafael, Hossein) + If you click on the button, it enable/disable both. But it you choose dropdown, you should be able to select horizontal/vertical separately and check/uncheck them. + vertical ruler are rather a frequently changed option and don't deserve a main spot on the UI (Heiko) => majority for the dropdown solution * Quickfind sidebar: Make the sidebar the default for ctrl+F + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160544 + not replacement but supplement; unfinished and not appealing (Stuart, Eyal) + matter of how the state of the sidebar is preserved after using (Cor) + option to switch makes sense (Rafael, Cor) + unfinished, at least accessibility needs improvements (Rafael) => add the option but leave the current quickfind as default * Allow choosing the page style from the sheets tab + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160920 + simplifying not needed as this is an expert workflow (Stuart) + page style can be changed via status bar > page style dialog (Ady) + but not picked, which is the case in Writer (right click on status bar) (Cor) + Writer lists the available PgS per right click on the SB and allows to pick one; makes sense to add in Calc too (Rafael) + easy hackable (Sahil) + willing to look into this one (Cor) => do it * Right clicking on selected text unselects it if the cursor is on a misspelled word + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98902 + same workflow as LibO in MS Word (Hossein) + suggested selection of the misspelled word is superior (Hossein) + drawback is that we cannot check phrases anymore, or can we? (Heiko) + maybe ctrl + right click for spell checking (Sahil) + bug reporter was unhappy with Impress, which is wrong and WF (Rafael, Hossein) + but rather unhappy about the inconsistency, which is an issue (Sahil) + to remove the selection might be "surprising" to users and we could add some additional overlay color as MSO does (grey for select + red on hover for spellcheck issue) (Hossein) => needsDevAdvice -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: behavior of new functions XLOOKUP and XMATCH
Re-adding the dev ML; Regina's full reply at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg00045.html On 15.05.24 2:03 AM, Regina Henschel wrote: The problem is, what should be the output, when the user sets Match_mode 2 together with Search_mode 2 or -2. Excel returns #VALUE! for the combination =XLOOKUP(C3;A$1:A$3;B$1:B$3;"INV";2;2) while we do some processing. On 14.05.24 5:04 AM, Mike Kaganski wrote: Emitting error is the only sane way here.Absolutely. It is not some kind of interruptive error box but a typical way to give feedback on typos or for unspecified content. Silently switching to some other way of processing is almost impossible to understand for users. And I cannot follow the arguments that no error message makes the handling easier. If you want, we can run a poll what users prefer. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Re: behavior of new functions XLOOKUP and XMATCH
Correct me but =XLOOKUP(C3;A$1:A$3;B$1:B$3;"INV";_3_;1) returns #VALUE! (Excel) or Err:504 (LO) =_Y_LOOKUP(C4;A$1:A$3;B$1:B$3;"INV";0;1) returns #NAME? (both) What exactly will change? PS: ux-advice@ is the forward mailing list from Bugzilla and I'm not sure how many people have registered. Rather use design@ for input from the UI/UX group. On 14.05.24 12:23 AM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi UX-experts, the new function XLOOKUP and XMATCH have a Match_mode with values 0, 1, -1, 2 and a Search_mode with values 1, -1, 2, -2. The Match_mode 2 means wildcard mode, that is ? * search or regular expressions search. The Search_modes 2 and -2 mean binary search in a sorted array. Combining parameter values for wildcard mode and binary search is possible. But there exist no way to actually do it. Excel gives an error messages in such cases. LibreOffice silently switches to linear search. The ODF TC is currently working on the specification for these new functions. The TC could either follow Excel's way or LibreOffice's way. From a developer state of view it is no large effort to change the current behavior of LibreOffice. The TC does not know yet whether Microsoft would be willing to switch to LibreOffice's behavior. I write to you for to get your opinion what will be the best solution from a _user_ point of view. Some arguments so far: * No error message would make use of the functions in macros and forms easier. * No error message might be better for using the functions in automatically calculations without UI. * Using linear search can be unexpected slow on a huge Lookup_array. An error message makes the problem visible to the user. I would love to hear your opinion. Kind regards, Regina -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Architect and UI-Designer Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-May-08
Present: Sahil, John, Hossein, Cor, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Stuart, Stephane, Dieter Tickets/Topics * Major design changes ongoing for "Better handling for multiline tabs + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99528 * List images in order of document appearance in Calc Navigator + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160353 + at least four different sort orders: row first, col first, alphabetically, by insertion time (Heiko) + limited use case (John) + Navigator lists objects from all sheets making the sort order problematic (John) + maybe reported somewhere; unclear if users accept when the Navigator restricts objects to the current sheet => keep with low priority * Icons for promote / demote outline level should be improved + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158932 + clear depiction of the action (Stuart) + there are issues with RTL UI (Hossein) + dup at https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154523 + see also https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70102 => duplicate * Print multiple non-contiguous print ranges on a single page in LibreOffice Calc + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160610 + prone to complications; (cumbersome) alternatives possible (Stephané) + hiding rows is possibly a proper workaround for the rare need (Cor) => suggest WF if there's no clear response * Print (or export) only tracked changes + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160497 + sidebar lists all TC (Dieter) + macro on ask.libo solves the use case (Heiko) + reasonable use case for some (Cor, John) + but macro is a good solution => resolve WF -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-May-02
Present: Sahil, Eyal, Cor, Heiko Comments: Seth, Stephane, Stuart, Jim Tickets/Topics * Rename "Navigation" toolbar to clarify its role, avoid confusion, and relate to "Recency" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160732 + "Position History" (Seth, Stuart, Jim, Eyal) + also in the Navigator dropdown (Stephane, Jim, Stuart) => no concerns, do it * Implement "recency" navigation for Calc module and make available from TB or Sidebar Navigator + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160505 + limit to named ranges, objects, etc. but not every cell (Heiko) + request does not seem to have a significant/compelling use case (Cor) + Can identify a reasonable use case, not sure about how frequently it's encountered. Would like to have heard more from Petros (Eyal) + no harm in having such a feature though => keep it with low priority * Column resize handle touch-target too small + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160324 + it is about 3-4 px and should be larger (Miguel, Michael, Eyal) + perhaps make it zoom dependent (Heiko) + wonder if the hit-area is dpi-dependent (Heiko) + might be problematic for hidden or small columns (Heiko) + we should test it (Cor) => give it a try * Offer to download & install missing fonts from online sources + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159950 + TDF cannot host non-free fonts, cloud-sharing might work (Stuart) + unclear what 'relevant online sources' means (Cor) + ideally to be done per extension, either storing content on the TDF site or as forward request (Heiko) + font management is rather up to the OS/DE; we may support this (Heiko) + extension is not least not the solution therefore since we would download the ttf/otf and execute the system's installer (Eyal) + repository should allow downloading of plain font to make easy installation possible (Eyal) + topic has been discussed extensively before, eg in tdf#78186, 91886, 113496, or 146291 (Heiko) + see also https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/10/21/dealing-with-missing-fonts/ => feature is definitely desirable and ideally become combined with a previously filed ticket -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-May-08 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, May/08, 20:00 GMT+2 resp. 6pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * List images in order of document appearance in Calc Navigator + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160353 * Icons for promote / demote outline level should be improved + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158932 * Print multiple non-contiguous print ranges on a single page in LibreOffice Calc + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160610 * Print (or export) only tracked changes + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160497 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday, May/02. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg00036.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Apr-24
Present: Cor, Sahil, John, Ring, Heiko Comments: Stephane, Eyal, Stuart Tickets/Topics * Bullets and Numbering dialog in Writer does not say it's about an implicit list style + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160629 + list styles created and applied via toolbar are hard to identify as such in the B dialog + no label substitutes the need to learn how this works; we may drop all shortcuts and ease functions but the cost is too high (Heiko, Cor) => suggest WF * Want indication of whether a master slide is in use or not + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160403 + MSO Powerpoints shows the number of slides in a tooltip (Stephane) + additional boolean indication would be nice (Eyal) + tooltip sounds good and is not harmful (John) + not much useful since "Delete Master" is only available if the slide master is not in use (Cor) => no objection, low priority * When right-clicking a font family combo-box, offer font meta-data + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152487 + unclear use case and much likely off-topic being available in font management tools (Heiko) + info dialog sounds good but rather via special characters or in the character properties dialog (Stuart) + only use case is compatibility with some other font (John) + likely not part of the meta data + the Internet returns all search results (Cor) => idea does not find support; WF * Make possible 2 or more impress in fullscreen each on a dedicated monitor AND each seekable independently with user-defined hotkeys per each file + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160242 + start Impress twice (Stephane), workflow is supported with a third monitor (John) + too niche, better suited for an extension (Stephane, Sahil) => WF -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-May-02 (THU)
Hello everyone, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Thursday, May/02, 14:00 CEST resp. 12pm/noon UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Rename "Navigation" toolbar to clarify its role, avoid confusion, and relate to "Recency" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160732 * Implement "recency" navigation for Calc module and make available from TB or Sidebar Navigator + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160505 * Column resize handle touch-target too small + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16032 * Offer to download & install missing fonts from online sources + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159950 All topics being on the agenda are collected in this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is tomorrow, Wednesday Apr/24. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg00033.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Apr-18
Present: Hossein, Sahil, ring, Heiko Comments: Ady, Brian, Cor, Eyal, Rafael, Jeff, Stephane Tickets/Topics * Calc: default anchor everything to CELL + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160452 + change default needs to have good reasons (Heiko) + add option to define the default is over-engineering (Heiko) + behavior my have changed in the past (Hossein) => resolve WF; suggest to change the topic into "remember last setting" * When opening Advanced filter dialog the "From" field should be filled with the address of current selection + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150937 + reasonable request (Ady) + confusing label "Read Filter Criteria From" (Ady) + more common label is possible, eg. "Select Range" but unlikely to be more clear (Heiko) + prefilling data does not harm (Hossein, Heiko) => go for it * Using clone formatting enables scrolling with the mouse -- but it shouldn't + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99608 + "issue" happens only when moving slowly from top, where moving the cursor on top makes sense + smooth scrolling rather than to jump to a certain position could be a solution (Hossein) => suggest to duplicate with 46988 * Turn on "Range contains column labels" by default + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150027 + different scenarios, requires more intelligent function (Brian) + remember last user choice for this option (Eyal) + controls got moved to the same tab for bug 131155 (Heiko) + option is checked if header-like data is detected (Cor) + apparently only on Windows, on Linux the last settings are remembered + the dialog has always stored the last settings, unclear report (Cor) => keep the smart functionality, resolve invalid * Add timer/clock to single-screen presentation + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160227 + makes sense (Rafael) + unclear why the timer needs to be shown for the audience + presenter console uses own class/control + neither available in Excel, feature would lack compatibility => resolve WF in favor of 3rd party extension/macro * Right-clicking to select an always-shown comment in Calc "clicks through" and selects the cell behind it + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160290 + to hide the object first requires additional clicks (Ady) + it's not necessary to hide the comment, one can move it easily (Sahil) + right click to select is not common interaction (Heiko) + respect the z-order (Jeff, Stephane, Heiko, Hossein) => do as requested -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Apr-04
Present: Felix, Cor, Hossein, Rafael, Heiko
Comments: Mike, Regina, Bogdan, Timur, Cor, Stephane
Tickets/Topics
* "Page number" automatic field stops counting before last page if offset >0
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35694
+ help is clear on the function (Regina)
+ just a wording issue but rather introduce another field "page reference",
which would have the offset attribute (Mike, Regina)
+ comment 70 and 78 are wisdom; missing a good proposal (Cor)
+ compatibility is prime (Hossein)
+ neither prev/next nor offset are stored with docx
+ MSO offsets per field code like "{={PAGE}-10} of {={NUMPAGES}*20}"
showing "-9 of 80" (not stored as a field on saving as ODT)
+ offset for pagee count is via set variable > page + x (Heiko)
=> comment on ticket
* Replies to comment are in reverse order
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160350
+ chat-like order D, C, B, A (latest on top) vs. book style
A, B, C, D (latest at bottom) (Bogdan)
+ latest on top makes sense (Heiko)
+ current implementation shows comments on the place where they
are made, i.e. below the comment where one chooses: reply,
which makes sense to me (Cor)
+ all other applications do it book-like (Timur, Bogdan, Felix)
=> do it (consider an expert option)
* Add toolbar icons to change UI and scheme to switch Light/Dark
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160349
+ useful for tester and user (Rafael)
+ switching only tools > application colors via the new control (Rafael)
+ fixes fallout from bug 160445
+ strongly against adding rarely used functions to the primary UI,
options would also be hard-coded and not easy to remove later (Heiko)
+ MS has a "Switch Modes" option in the View ribbon (Hossein, Felix)
=> majority are for the option
* Pressing Tab with partially selected numbered paragraphs deletes content
instead of changing level
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160317
+ agree on the expectation (Stephane, Felix)
+ inconsistent with inserting a literal tab (Heiko)
+ compatibility is prime (Hossein)
+ tab overwrites in MSO; but tab on the first list item indents
the whole list anyway (only second increases the level we do)
+ literal tab is inserted on any position >0, ie. inside the text
+ otherwise the level for the whole selection is increased
+ always indent for selection over multiple paragraphs (Rafael, Felix)
+ current behavior depends on selection mode, ie. adding selection inserts
at the beginning while extend does on the end (Heiko)
=> majority agrees with the request
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[libreoffice-design] No meeting on 2024-Apr-10 (WED)
Hello all, cancelling the design/UX meeting *next week*. The meeting *this week* is on Thursday, Apr/04. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg00028.html MIND THE DAYLIGHT SAVING TIME! Meeting starts at 12pm UTC / noon. Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Mar-27
Present: Sahil, Antonio, Cor, Bogdan, John, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Stephane, Stuart, Timur Tickets/Topics * A11Y sidebar: Too many issue reports about direct character formatting + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159906 + group by paragraph (+ 0.5 Stephane) + maybe list per paragraph under one root node (Heiko, Antonio) + offer an action button (+1 Stephane, Heiko, -1 Stuart) + action is not necessarily to remove DF; could also be "Dismiss" (Cor) + could be a more complex UI with more interactions, filters, batch operations etc. (Sahil, Antonio) + could be done in a later patch (Cor) => let's go with the extra tree node per paragraph and maybe page too and no action button for now * Add all 3 Spotlight commands (PS, CS, DF) to Style Inspector + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160194 + maybe per icon-only toggle button (Stephane) + agree with the proposal as it matches the workflow (Stuart) + clutters the UI and is not in scope of the workflow (Heiko) + it's not uncommon to have those buttons in the UIs (Cor, John) + neither a big improvement nor a huge impact on UX (John) + customization is sufficient (Antonio) => let's do it * Use "Delete unused master slides" independently from "Minimize Presentation" tool + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159860 + warn in case of an excessive number of master slides + rather fix bug 158773 than alert user on some high number (Heiko) + MSO is loading quickly but still warns (Timur) + warning could offer to delete unused master slides (Antonio) + warning should happen on load; covers also issues with import from other applications (Antonio) + realize per infobar to not block the workflow (user may click away the confirmation box), OTOH depending on severity it should interrupt + label could be "You have an unreasonable number of unused slide master. [Clean Up] [x]" (Heiko) + hesitate to delete a lot of content with just a click, so - suggest a confirmation dialog when pressing cleanup (Eyal) + add a button "Inspect" to the infobar (Cor) + strongly disagree with different actions on the infobar (Heiko) + add Help button to educate the user (Antonio) => do so * MRU Recent files list entries numbered, no need to be + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160230 + number seems to be useless (Bogdan) + actual date/time like MSO makes more sense (John) + handy for a11y resp. keyboard only access (Stuart,Antonio) + Alt+F + U + 1 opens the latest pinned item, for example + numbers above 10 take the first character from the filename + number indicates the recency (Eyal) + mnemonics inside the filename are hard to spot (Cor) + alternatively we could go with alphanumeric characters A..Z (Sahil) + this would require using different alphabeta in different localized UIs (Eyal) => no good argument to remove the numbers -> WF -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-Apr-04 (THU)
+ MIND THE DAYLIGHT SAVING TIME + Hello everyone, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Thursday, Apr/04, 14:00 CEST resp. 12pm/noon UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * "Page number" automatic field stops counting before last page if offset >0 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35694 + potentially misleading label * Replies to comment are in reverse order + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160350 * Add toolbar icons to change UI and scheme to switch Light/Dark + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160349 * Pressing Tab with partially selected numbered paragraphs deletes content instead of changing level + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160317 All topics being on the agenda are collected in this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is tomorrow, Mar/27. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg00026.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Mar-21
Present: Sahil, Andres, Rhesa, Heiko Comments: Miguel, Ady, Eyal, Cor, Csongor, Eike, Laszlo Tickets/Topics * Hidden columns should not prevent text from preceding columns from overflowing over their cells + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160011 + potentially breaks current workflow (Miguel) + could be done as (compatibility) flag (Ady) + afraid of performance issues (Ady) + support the request (Eyal, Cor, Sahil) + make it the default, and revert optionally (Sahil) + might be not so easy to find as compatibility flag but clutters the lengthy list of options under view on the other hand (Heiko) => do it * FORMATTING create a means to represent an integer as an IP Address + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148184 + implement per function (Csongor) + solutions are spread over the Internet, https://superuser.com/questions/1764387/how-do-i-convert-an-ip-address-to-binary-representation-in-excel + https://www.browserling.com/tools/ip-to-dec + already have some number formatting types and another one would fit well (Eyal) + not simply one for all option considering IPv4/v6 (Heiko) + has a solution, if needed we should invest in the user-defined formatting (Sahil, Heiko) => resolve WF * AutoCorrect: Many symbol replacements should be defined for [All], not language-by-language, and work in [None] + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153979 + extras/source/autocorr/*/DocumentList.xml entirely controlled by the local community (Heiko) + [None] means _no language tool processing at all_, [All] should be processed in all languages except [None] (Eike) + [All] would be useful, but only for a dozen of the replacements, but by moving we can lose educating the users (Laszlo) + adding a button to show only the items added by the user optionally (Laszlo) + adding some replacement to the [ALL] category makes it effective for paragraphs with language = None but not en_US, for example; apparently it's working for empty lists but not if the lang list has some content + if [All] items would be effective, users wont see those in their language depending list (Heiko) + if [All] has the same content as the actual language list it's unclear which one is used (eg. [All] --> = -> vs. [Hebrew] --> = <-) (Sahil) => remove [All] from the dropdown menu (at this tab), and make [None] none (Heiko) * personal / custom dictionaries should be easily portable + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157981 + allow a dictionary to be saved as /.dic (Cor) + placing a dictionary (*.dic/aff) in some folder which is added via options > path to the dictionary locations does not make it available as writing aid; apparently it needs some registration + export/import could be a nice task for a macro (Heiko) + it's a generic use case for the majority of users and adding this to the core makes sense (Sahil) + if so, we could add export/import buttons to the options dialog (Heiko) => comment -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-Mar-27 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, Mar/27, 20:00 CET+1 resp. 7pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * A11Y sidebar: Too many issue reports about direct character formatting + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159906 * Add all 3 Spotlight commands (PS, CS, DF) to Style Inspector + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160194 * Use "Delete unused master slides" independently from "Minimize Presentation" tool + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159860 + warn in case of an excessive number of master slides * MRU Recent files list entries numbered, no need to be + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160230 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday, Mar/21. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg00024.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Mar-13
Present: Sahil, Rafel, (John), Nameless, Heiko Comments: Bob, Cor, Mike, Eyal Tickets/Topics * Cannot resize graphical objects that overlap header/footer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159543 + change drag handles (Bob, Cor) + UI should give proper feedback (Sahil) + could be done by disabling the vertical and diagonal resize capability (which hides the size cursor then) + people may complain handles disappear; suggest NAB/WF (Rafael) + rather than hiding the handles we should block resizing before drag happens so the lower edge remains at the bottom (Rafael) + looks like a bug to me; suggest to show an infobar when the mouse is released but resize not accepted (Sahil) + infobar is disruptive here (Rafael) + change the drag frame color if the new size is not accepted/possible (Rafael) => do this * Changing Macro Security level should warn about the need to reload the file to apply the settings + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159985 + Reload in the background for all documents is not possible since changes may have been made (Mike) + show infobar requesting the user to reload (Eyal) + show a label in the macros security option dialog (Rafael, Sahil) + could also be the restart now confirmation box (Heiko) => majority votes for the label * close all (documents / windows) Writer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159380 + add new command but just for customization (Eyal, Rafael) + quit and restart (Cor) + close documents from all modules (Heiko) + alternatively show the start center while modules are open + closing all documents becomes more important if we have a tabbed UI (Sahil) => comment * Add max shrink and space width customization options to upcoming smart justification feature + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159923 + as a compatibility feature any customization would deviate from DOCX (Heiko, Rafael, Nameless) + control on the paragraph level makes sense (Mike) + over-engineering is seldom good usability; no use case and no user request (yet) (Heiko) => resolve WF -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Mar-07
Present: Cor, Sahil, Felix, Rafael, Hossein, Heiko Comments: Stephane, Ady, Stuart Tickets/Topics * Auto-size the "Search Results" dialog (after a find & replace across multiple sheets) to avoid scrolling + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157207 + use ellipsis too (Stephane) + emphasizing the text that is explicitly being searched (Ady) + bug 157227 + agree with the request to use more of the display (Stuart) + wrapping might be another idea (Rafael) + rather not because makes reading more difficult (Sahil) + ellipsis at start and end to bring the search term into the view (Felix) + simple solution covers most cases (and can be done as easyhack) (Cor) + ellipsis hinders reading the text, eg. if the search term is near end (Cor) + dialog is good as it, width should be adjusted carefully (Hossein) + With various scaling factors (2x, 3x, etc.) and different DPIs (HiDPI) these days, the issue of too big / too small dialogs and the need to add scrolling can also be seen elsewhere (Hossein) => resize the dialog if the content takes more space but only up to a reasonable width * CALC UI: Menu item "View headers" in menu "View" named wrong + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159738 + changed because of the Notebookbar a) have a dedicated NotebookbarLabel b) change back and accept the longer label + or hide the View Header command in the NB variant c) change the UI label to "View Headers" d) accept the situation, ie. NAB/WF + a) sounds good but c) could be a quick solution here (Rafael) + probably with some tooltip (Heiko) + a) is okay but prefer d) rather than c) (Cor) + nitpicking anyway; tooltip is good (Rafael) + icon on the command would be nice (Felix) => add a tooltip "Toggle row/column header on/off" to command and the tools > options dialog * UI: A button to expand the animation picker dialog to dedicated dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145038 + icons may help, even in the current form, in sidebar (Hossein) + icon view like at the transition deck sounds good (Rafael) + dedicated dialog needed for notebookbar-only variants (Sahil) + on the long run we should add some styles-like widget for animations as known from MSO (Hossein) => comment * Reworking of dialogues Organize macros (make from 5 existing only one) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120658 + Issue is worse than that considering Python, and APSO (Hossein) + Most things (editing, etc.) are not usable for Python, even with 5 dialogs (Hossein) + Every change should have in mind that it is about macro programming in general, and not only BASIC scripting (Hossein) + unified dialogs are not always easier to use (Cor) + suggested proposal is difficult to implement and suspect a lot of side effects (Rafael) + APSO is the way to go for Python at least (Rafael, Hossein) => comment -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-Mar-13 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, Mar/13, 20:00 CET+1 resp. 7pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Cannot resize graphical objects that overlap header/footer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159543 * Changing Macro Security level should warn about the need to reload the file to apply the settings + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159985 * close all (documents / windows) Writer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159380 * Add max shrink and space width customization options to upcoming smart justification feature + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159923 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday, Mar/07. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg00019.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Feb-28
Present: Sahil, John, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Ady, Mike, Rainer, Timur, Stuart, Tomaz Tickets/Topics * Lowercase "a" and uppercase "A" wrongly shows as one "a" in Autofilter dropdown + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159737 + AutoFilter follows the setting in the Standard Filter (Ady) + a) WF/NAB, b) description, c) configuration (Mike) + not so clear whether case-sensitivity works (Rainer) + would expect case-sensitivity (John) + users might be not aware of uppercase character/word if we hide it; rather let the user uncheck (Heiko) + all options better go to the full filter dialog (Sahil) + Excel shows items case-sensitive (John) + make it independent from standard filter option (Heiko) => comment * UI: Cell protection dialog reference menu that don't exist + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159748 + remove this part from the string (Heiko, Timur) + menu does exists; against changing the string (Ady, Stuart) + point to the help page (Tomaz) + against this hint to "use the help content" (Ady) + link to the appropriate help pages is reasonable (Stuart) + idea was probably to have a hyperlink in the string + alternatively change the label depending on the UI mode, or amend the existing text with the Notebookbar solution (Eyal) + sheet/cell protection is not for beginners and we can expect users to learn the function (Sahil) => preferably use a more generic description * Manage changes dialog should allow action on all filtered changes + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115515 + WFM/INV, at least from the sidebar (Heiko) => resolve ticket * Consistent polygon tool behavior in Draw + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131758 + (1) how to finish the input: easy to miss and hard to undo (Eyal) + perhaps have some interaction to undo the last point + edit points allow to remove unwanted + (2) finishing methods: MSO ends polygon as well per double-click but also on escape + (3) close a polyline: by ctrl+click? in any case up to documentation + (4) how to enter PolyPoly-mode: same answer as above + (5) Is it really intended... obviously no user has joined the discussion + users tend to accept shortcomings and we might do better (Eyal) + would rather think of a list that takes all points and allows to edit independently from the interaction method (Heiko) + giving a hint on the interaction at the command label? not so good (John) + any change needs to be a convincing improvement (Eyal) + Inkscape behavior is similar to our workflow => comment -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-Mar-07 (THU)
Hello everyone, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Thursday, Mar/07, 14:00 CET resp. 1pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Auto-size the "Search Results" dialog (after a find & replace across multiple sheets) to avoid scrolling + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157207 * CALC UI: Menu item "View headers" in menu "View" named wrong + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159738 * UI: A button to expand the animation picker dialog to dedicated dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145038 * Reworking of dialogues Organize macros (make from 5 existing only one) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120658 All topics being on the agenda are collected in this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is tomorrow, Feb/28. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg00016.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Feb-22
Present: Sahil, Hossein, Heiko Tickets/Topics * STATUSBAR: Making the statusbar configurable in Writer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92406 + tools > customize sounds like over-engineering, we should rather do something like toolbar > visible button on/off (Heiko) + would be cool to have the priority available, perhaps more fine-grained (Sahil) + statusbar should be available for extensions (Sahil) + if it is possible to add commands to the statusbar such enhancement (if not possible out of the box) would be granted (Heiko) => comment * Simplified options dialogs + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90989 + name, icons, interface, colors, ui lang, locale, and recovery should be sufficient (Heiko) + RTL/CTL/CJK is important (Hossein) but should follow the locale (Heiko), and if a more complex setup is needed the advanced mode is a click away + could be done conditionally depending on locale setting (Sahil) + more tabs might be required in future (Hossein); possibly easier to use than a scrolling window (Sahil) + as long the options fit on one page, which should be the goal for a simple dialog, no need to discuss this (Heiko) => waiting for volunteers -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-Feb-28 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, Feb/28, 20:00 CET+1 resp. 7pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Lowercase "a" and uppercase "A" wrongly shows as one "a" in Autofilter dropdown + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159737 * UI: Cell protection dialog reference menu that don't exist + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159748 * Manage changes dialog should allow action on all filtered changes + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115515 * Consistent polygon tool behavior in Draw + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131758 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday, Feb/22. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg00014.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Feb-14
Present: Sahil, Rafael, Hossein, Heiko Comments: Stuart, Jean-Francois, Eyal, Stephané, Ady Tickets/Topics * Freeze Zoom as a global LibreOffice preference + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159156 + assigning +0 to .uno:Zoom100Percent as fixed shortcut (Stuart) + though must not touch Ctrl+0 in Writer (Jean-Francois) + ignore zoom-in/-out via keyboard or lock zoom (Eyal) + could be an option "[ ] No zoom per touch pad" (Rafael) => add the option (perhaps macOS only) * Comment commands in Calc's menus need to be rearranged + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158653 + split of comment-related commands is not ideal (Stephané) + yet done intentionally for bug 91820 + not convinced that changing the menus is the best path forward, it's basically grouping by action vs object (Ady) + other applications go with action-focused menus too (Hossein) + no better place for comments than under Sheet (Heiko) + when coming from the Notebookbar it feels wrong (Rafael) => resolve NAB/WF * Dialog Properties bigger then screen + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159409 + not confirmed, dialog is ~637px in height on win (Stuart) + but there is a duplicate report; and report is from gtk3 + reduce the number of lines for the comments textbox (Hossein) + turning the wall of inputs into two columns (Rafael) + has the challenge to cover long labels (Heiko) + long term solution: add some mechanism to VCL/weld that restricts oversized dialogs and automatically adds scrolling (Hossein) => do it * Page direction not the same as sheet direction + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158601 + recent bug reports have proven that users do not agree (Ady) + if the request is to bind the UI-only setting Sheet > RTL to Page Style > Text Direction (the superordinate setting of the text direction in cells) the recommendation is to rather not do + Excel knows a "context" option for the cell direction meaning if the entered text is RTL the cell becomes RTL (Hossein) + The context option will handle the use case automatically, and also handles the situation with bilingual cells (Hossein) + problem accepted, solution rejected = WF -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-Feb-22 (THU)
Hello everyone, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Thursday, Feb/22, 14:00 CET resp. 1pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Making the statusbar configurable in Writer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92406 + define requirements, scribble mockup * Simplified options dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90989 + scribble mockup All topics being on the agenda are collected in this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is today, Feb/14. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg00013.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-Feb-14 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, Feb/14, 20:00 CET+1 resp. 7pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Freeze Zoom as a global LibreOffice preference + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159156 + assign a default shortcut to 100% zoom? * Comment commands in Calc's menus need to be rearranged + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158653 * Page direction not the same as sheet direction + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158601 * Dialog Properties bigger then screen + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159409 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 There will be no meeting *this week*. Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jan-31
Present: Sahil, JJ, John, Eyal, Rafael, Heiko Comments: Jan, Stuart Tickets/Topics * Autocorrect options are very confusing and difficult to use + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158876 + renaming some options might be beneficial (Jan) + Separate the list into two lists, textual replacements/corrections, and formatting/structural element (Eyal) + everything is formatting and replacement (Heiko) + splitting should support the perception (Eyal) + Change phrasing, eg "Replace dashes" could become "Replace dash sequence with En-Dash or Em-Dash" (Eyal) + sure but the function is more complex and requires the documentation + distinction would be artificial and orthogonal to the M/T option; rather than renaming we could add tooltips (Heiko) + tooltips could be a help (Heiko) + sounds good (Eyal) + requires coding though => comment and recommend to not change the list => renaming is good; AI Eyal: provide a complete list of better labels * Non-corrective Autoformat settings can't just be placed under AutoCorrect + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158877 + unclear request (John, Heiko) + formatting such as *bold* or apply styles is not really a correction (Eyal) + no good alternative, maybe "auto correction/formatting" + wonder if changing the semantics improve usability (John) + camel case label is bad; but familiar to users (Heiko) + no apparent issue; all auto-corrections are also formatting too (Heiko) => resolve NAB without better alternative * Use Noto family fonts as default fonts for all the LibreOffice tools + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159261 + Noto Sans is being used for Impress templates (Stuart) + smalls like personal preference; against Google fonts in principle (Eyal) + rather add metric compatible fonts for latest MSO (John) + to open legacy document with the same layout after years is our self-identity; which is not the discussion here since we would change the fonts for new documents (Heiko) + Liberation fonts is our trademark; and it's easy to change; not worth the effort (Rafael) + a lot of effort to make the QA tests happy (Heiko) + such a change should have much more backup (Eyal) => WF * provide easy UI to automatically apply digital signature when storing documents + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159040 + checkbox "[ ] Sign document" at the Save/As dialog; clumsy solution but maybe easy to use (Heiko) + similar workflow but signing comes before saving (Eyal) + alternative is to have a default signature defined in tools > options > security and just the option to apply or not; needs some interaction to change the default, maybe via the current workflow (Eyal) => comment * It would be nice to have an exclude file type option from Recent Files + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159277 + exclude per module using a string like "csv;xml;tab" (similar solution available in IDEs, for example) + MRU is a simple and established paradigm; WF (Jan) + very specific workflow (Eyal) + use CSV a lot and want to see it (Rafael) + solve per extension that clears the MRU list on startup (Heiko) + better keep the ticket, maybe as easyhack, with low priority (Eyal, Rafael) => go for it -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jan-25
Present: Sahil, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Mike, Ady, Rafael Tickets/Topics * Remove status bar 'document modified' indicator + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159073 + status not shown in title for new documents (Eyal) + title does not show the status (anymore?) but the save icon + redundant information is not bad per se, the toolbar button is primarily meant to run an action but not to give feedback (users may not expect it there) + with the Notebookbar UI it's not guaranteed to see the toolbar info + and the statusbar icon looks pretty nice => WF * Comment indicator in Calc should be red, not magenta + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159096 + border uses now the grid line color (Heiko) + red would be a bad choice as it typically indicates errors (Mike) + yellow and red might be used for cell background (Ady) + orange (Rafael) + invert the cell background color (Ryal) + looses the customizability and becomes difficult on mid-bright colors + do it just when the picked color is close to the cell background + algorithm is tricky, and variable colors make the display busy + Magenta (a bit less glossy) is used on Excel + Light Magenta 3 is a bit too close with "Bad" cell style, Light Magenta 2 is fine (Eyal, Sahil) + works also well in dark mode => change the color * Double click on a comment in Navigator should open the cell for editing + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158707 + in 7.4 double click goes to cell + in 7.6 single click selects, double executes the default action- in this case go-to plus editing the comment + a) edit comment, cursor at the end?, b) edit cell, cursor at the end?, c) just go-to and toggle the comment visibility, d) just go-to cell + in most cases the comment text should be readable in the Navigator and double-click is likely intended to edit the comment (all) + expect double-click to toggle show/hide; directly going into edit mode feels dangerous but just showing makes editing difficult (ctrl+alt+c) and my muscle memory is F2 to edit; so ideally we select the comment frame in order to use F2 (all) + single click does not change the view but shows this comment temporarily (until clicking somewhere else), double-click navigates to the cell, make the comment permanently visible, and double-click again hides it; when showing the comment per double-click also selects the comment for easy accessed to edit (Eyal) + double-click surely should not edit the cell content (Eyal) + comments disappear unreliably (Sahil) + having comments in a dedicated sidebar allows more flexible solutions (Sahil) => comment in ticket * When search key is not found, search text seems to be selected but is not + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158742 + behavior has changed but still no selection is being made + changing the search term partially is more likely, ie. selection in order to overwrite completely is not intended (Heiko) + ctrl+f selects the search text in any case (Heiko) + clearly NAB/WF (Eyal) => resolve ticket -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-Jan-31 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, Jan/31, 20:00 CET+1 resp. 7pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Autocorrect options are very confusing and difficult to use + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158876 * Non-corrective Autoformat settings can't just be placed under AutoCorrect + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158877 * Use Noto family fonts as default fonts for all the LibreOffice tools + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159261 * provide easy UI to automatically apply digital signature when storing documents + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159040 * It would be nice to have an exclude file type option from Recent Files + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159277 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday, Jan/25. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg6.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-Jan-25 (THU)
Happy New Year everyone, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Thursday, Jan/25, 14:00 CET resp. 1pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Remove status bar 'document modified' indicator + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159073 * Comment indicator in Calc should be red, not magenta + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159096 * Double click on a comment in Navigator should open the cell for editing + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158707 * When search key is not found, search text seems to be selected but is not + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158742 All topics being on the agenda are collected in this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is tomorrow, Jan/17. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg1.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Contribute to libre office design and test
Hi Helmut,
you reached out to the design mailing list focusing on visual improvements and
questions regarding user experience. So not really suited to the "rant".
So my first recommendation is to use https://ask.libreoffice.org/ (there is a
German channel too) to find a solution. You could ask "How to embed images with
relative links? My workflow is... I do... and fail at... What can I do to solve
it?" The next step would be to file a bug report under
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/.
If you search our Bugtracker you will find many tickets, eg. [1,2] - and
explanations why things are difficult. Don't remember what exactly causes
trouble with relative links, but IIRC it wasn't removed and should work.
Daily developer versions can be found here [3]. It runs flawless in parallel (on
Linux I just extract the content of RPMs somewhere else but
/lib64/libreoffice/), although it uses the same user configuration. Portable
versions can be found here [4].
We also have a German user mailing list [5].
All the best for you,
Heiko
[1] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=111957 "Change the way
to define relative vs absolute URLs"
[2] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128216 "UI: Relative
paths should be displayed as relative"
[3] https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/
[4] https://www.libreoffice.org/download/portable-versions/
[5] https://de.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/
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[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jan-11
Present: Sahil, Hossein, Rafael, Heiko Comments: Stuart, Cor, Stephané, Miklos, Cor, Ady, Stephane Tickets/Topics * Implement a simple calculation of values to input size and position of draw objects + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158685 + eg. "3+3,2" => "6,2" + Kind of a stretch for *needing* to do the simple calculations (Stuart) + could be useful for more complex stuff like "pi()/4 * 1.2345" or "sqr(sin(2)/cos(3)); similar to bug 72662 about the unit conversion (Heiko) + doubt if it is wise to start walking this path (Cor) + sounds useful (Sahil) + slash might be used as a number separator in some locales and one cannot be sure it is a divider (Hossein) + many tools provide the functionality anyway (eg. KRunner on Linux/KDE but also the search bar on Windows start a calculator) (Hossein) + very simple calculation wouldn't be enough anyway (Hossein) => WF * Move rows with protected cells does not give warning + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158682 + agree that a message is needed (Stephané), but depending on the case + "Source contents not removed because cells are protected." + "Contents were copied but not removed because cells are protected" + "Protected cells can not be modified." (the stock message) + dragging of protected cells is not possible anyway + message box interrupts the workflow and we could also just block the drag feedback + however, paste is not available via menu/toolbar and the keyboard allows to quickly confirm (Heiko) + Agree, a similar message is useful (Hossein) + one message should be fine (Hossein) + "Protected cells cannot be dragged" + stock message is fine (Hossein) + don't change the cursor if DnD is not possible (Sahil) + could also be a blocking cursor symbol (Hossein) => show the stock message and consider the drag cursor * Original size button in image properties -> position and size tab doesn't restore original size for paper size exceeding images in Writer (and breaks image ratio) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158545 + rename to "Reset dimensions" (Telesto) + Word uses just "Reset" + Reason for restricting object size to page size is consistency; Writer defaults to capturing drawing objects inside the page frame (Miklos) + MSO365 allows scaling beyond the page and cuts off the extra part + seldom need for sizing beyond the page (Cor) + sizing the image beyond the page is desirable (Rafael, Hossein) + Word allows this but not to move the image out of the page + simply "Reset" and a tooltip with "Resets width and height to the original size, unless limited by the page size) + show original size as static text like in the compress dialog before the Reset button to make the function more clear (Hossein) + also keep the ratio in all cases => rename, add static size info, and fix the ratio bug * Better design for the Keep Ratio setting + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158531 + not much benefit (Heiko) + go with a small button like in the sidebar (Rafael) + would be a toolbutton taking a lot of vertical space and + we cannot draw the connector arrows (Heiko) + what was the inspiration (Hossein) + GIMP has these buttons, for example + consistency is prime and we use typically checkboxes (Sahil) => go ahead (+2/0/-1); easy to revert * Comemnt marker makes it difficult to see the data in a cell + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158958 + UNO command to toggle indicator on/off quickly (Stuart) + against a user-defined symbol, to revert the patch, and some default margin to make space for the symbol (Heiko) + open to UNO command to toggle the indicator on/off, a less obtrusive default color, different position for the indicator (Heiko) + suggest to add an expert options to control the dynamic size and another to disable the dynamic size (Heiko, Rafael) + use a different default color (Rafael) + is being discussed on bug 159096; maybe orange (Rafael) + make the default a bit smaller (Rafael, Heiko) + ideally do the best per code without option but if needed make it as simple as possible; option is good for now (Hossein) + good default make configuration unnecessary (at least the UI), use grid color and move the indicator to the edge (Rafael) + propose an expert value and use <=0 for dynamic size and everything else as static value (Heiko) + change is needed (Ady), expert option sounds good (Cor, Stephane) => go with the expert options -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive:
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-Jan-17 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, Jan/17, 20:00 CET+1 resp. 7pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Styles deck: actually hide hidden leaf styles in Hierarchical view + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158791 * Let users select multiple toolbars at once to view or hide + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158880 * Conditional Formatting gets overwritten + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158724 * "Macros disabled" show a button "Show macros" which does not make sense + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158600 * text file format dialogue on save -- ODF file format? + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158624 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday, Jan/11. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2024/msg0.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2024-Jan-11 (THU)
Happy New Year everyone, the design/UX meeting next weeks is on: Thursday, Jan/11, 14:00 CET resp. 1pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Implement a simple calculation of values to input size and position of draw objects + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158685 * Move rows with protected cells does not give warning + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158682 * Original size button in image properties -> position and size tab doesn't restore original size for paper size exceeding images in Writer (and breaks image ratio) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158545 * Better design for the Keep Ratio setting + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158531 * Comment marker makes it difficult to see the data in a cell + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158958 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 There is no meeting this week. Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Dec-20
On 21.12.23 20:05, Eyal Rozenberg wrote: "LibreOffice unexpectedly and strangely modifies an ODT file without they user having done anything, and embedding unnecessary fonts nobody asked it to." Sounds like another facet of the font embedding. I would treat bug 158588 about what fonts are embedded (CTL/CJK/Lat and used) and handle the situation of shared documents on another. I haven't tested what happens when one checks the embed fonts option and shares this document with another person. Assuming her fonts would also be included, silently, this is at least a privacy issue. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Dec-20
Present: Sahil, Rafael, John, Heiko Comments: Dieter, Stuart Tickets/Topics * Redesign font embedding options in sfx2/uiconfig/ui/documentfontspage.ui + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158588 + improve help (Dieter, bug 130185) + dummy text with no embedded font = 28k, with all options on = 22000k with "only used" 927k, with all but limited to latin = 1800k + disable CTL & CJK depending on options and + check by default and disable the "Only used fonts" unless the first option "Embed fonts" is activated (Heiko) + if the document contains and CTL/CJK font it would be pointless to exclude them when saving used fonts only; and the other option makes not much sense alone (Rafael) + font scripts options needs a dev check => do it * FORMCONTROLS Enhancement: Fill Cell with Text Box in Calc + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158273 + check/enable anchor to cell (resize with cell) and fit to cell size by default (Heiko) + changing this makes users needy and they may ask for better chart positioning, for example; how about a dedicated command to achieve the goal (Rafael) + could also be done per macro (Sahil) + goal was here to insert/manipulate many form controls; the workflow with copy/paste is tedious as cursor down or enter does not behave like at normal cells; which could be changed (Heiko) => comment * Incorrectly export number 0 form calc to PDF + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158533 + option to show/include zero is on by default and one has to disable it intentionally + same behavior on Excel + dependency to some archived PDF format is unclear => ask the ESC * New sidebar deck for comments + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106316 + splitter to expand the comments margin (Jim) + comments in margin is sufficient for ordinary users (John) + vertical space in margin is not enough for academia; management is missing, eg. to find unresolved comments (Rafael) + sidebar has limited vertical space + but allows the list being unsynchronized ie. many comments on one single page overlapping each other + requirements: add filter by status, eg. resolved no urgent need for the procrastination option "hide temporarily" + mockup design: take the Onlyoffice example https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=191371; sort is missing; referenced text should be visible in the sidebar pane + enhancements: predefined responses? might be useful for some (Rafael), but should be done resp. the list filled by users (Sahil) + replace the comments in margin or amends it (John) => improve the mockup and ask the community in a blog post -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Dec-14
Present: Sahil, Heiko Comments: Mike, Ady, RGB Tickets/Topics * copy rules from Manage < Conditional Formatting (to apply it to a different range instead of extending it) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158187 + proposal is to copy the previous CF line + guess we could just always insert the same content (Heiko) + not all in all cases the CF should auto merge (Mike) + would prefer the MSO solution of paste special with adjustment of the range (Heiko) + rather add some advanced merge functionality (Ady) => comment * UI Can't trust Font feedback field + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158261 + selecting all on Windows with Georgia being available does not lead to the same issue as on Linux without the font + we should treat this as a bug; the replacement must not mess up with the font family (Sahil) + Installing Georgia didn't change anything (Sahil) => fix it * Cross-reference dialogue in Sidebar + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87078 + drag'n drop as recommended in bug 36310 (RGB) + drag items from the Navigator yet do not insert a hyperlink as of today but show a menu with "Page number | Chapter | Reference text || Hyperlink" => do it -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Dec-20 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* (and the last one for this year) is on: Wednesday, Dec/20, 20:00 CET+1 resp. 7pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Redesign font embedding options in sfx2/uiconfig/ui/documentfontspage.ui + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158588 * FORMCONTROLS Enhancement: Fill Cell with Text Box in Calc + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158273 * Incorrectly export number 0 form calc to PDF + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158533 * add a 'comments reviewing' pane + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158647 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday, Dec/14. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00135.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Dec-06
Present: Cor, Sahil, Kushi, John, Heiko Comments: Stuart, Sophie, Roman, Regina Tickets/Topics * The term "Field Shadings" is confusing + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158291 + rename to "Spotlight Fields" (Tomas) or "Field Indicators" (Adolfo) + shading is used on some other places too such as ToC, and no good alternative anyway (Cor) + "Field Highlighting" - but not necessary (Sahil) + MS Word knows the term "Character Shading" (Heiko) + no native speaker joined the discussion (Heiko) => resolve NAB/WF * "Formattings" should be used instead of "Formats" in some cases + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158290 + eg. "Conditional Formattings"? + distinction is rather technical, against the effort (Stuart) + up for translators to find the right term (Sophie) + term is used as such in MS Excel (Heiko) => resolve WF/NAB * Automatic scaling of icons for navigation bar + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158394 + possible and likely workflow is to start in window mode and maximize this window; requires to adjust dynamically (Cor) + low importance (Roman) => ideally implement option 2) * No way to use correct left/right page style automatically depending on the first page number + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148245 + use case unclear (Heiko), rather very unlikely (Cor) + page number can have any offset + proposal for solution submitted (Regina) => AI Heiko: read the comments carefully => NEEDINFO ... as in: what does Mike think about how often the scenario happens.. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] The Gallery and shapes, following the UX/design meeting 2023-Nov-30
On 02.12.23 00:51, Regina Henschel wrote: It would be indeed interesting to know more about the use of the Gallery. There could be very frequently used objects. But on the other hand there might be objects which are only used by few users, but they do not want to do without these object. The Gallery items were changed for bug 131795 (and several others) based on insights at https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/04/01/the-many-faced-god-part-2-how-libreoffice-draw-is-expected-to-evolve/ . Of course it would be nice to learn if _nobody_ uses these shapes, as Eyal claims, or at least some, or on the other hand if users are offended by the design. Nothing to say against a more polished drawings, more custom shapes, and to challenge individual items. Everybody is welcome to submit improvements. The verdict on bug 158253 was "not actionable". -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Nov-30
Present: Sahil, Hossein, Bogdan, Heiko Comments: Charles, John, Stuart, Miklos, Samuel Tickets/Topics * Autofilter enables deselect items automatically when typing a search + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133836 + Patch https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/159737 + change All into All Selected (downside is an additional click) + add checkbox "[x] Auto Select" (downside is a more heavy UI) + consider experienced users who expect current behavior (Ady) + check other tools too (Hossein) + combining searches is only possible with the new functionality (Bogdan) => comment on BZ * The term "Track changes" is being used ungrammatically + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158289 + "Record Track Changes" vs "Record Tracked Changes" or "Record Change Tracking" + "Change Tracking", and better under tools (Charles, John) + term is used by MSO, not worth the effort (Stuart, Heiko) + MS Word uses "Track changes" Google Docs: "review suggested edits" (Miklos) + "Track Changes" sounds good to me, "Manage Change Tracking" for example, or "Previous Change Tracking" (Sahil) + some effort to implement => WF * Forced to pick from the existing Impress templates - need to ad a Light and a Dark template + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155609 + possible if background is transparent via Tools > Color > Light/Dark (Bogdan, Heiko) + still some ambiguity since probably light background is expected on export (Hossein) + and we ship some dark templates such as Portfolio => WFM * Copy SVG Code Directly into LibreOffice to Render Pictures + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41119 + Insert > From Clipboard or Paste Special > As Text + why copy/paste the code when you can have the full image; better suited for an extension (Samuel) + add function similar to "Import MathML from Clipboard" (Regina) + allows to tweak and inspect the SVG code (Stuart) + wonder what happens when one pastes just a part on top of an existing image, -1/WF (Heiko, Hossein) + if editing when pasting complex content is the natural next step, would we also allow to modify ODF or HTML data (Hossein) + Pasting without editing would be meaningless, and those together requires big effort (Hossein) + not much interest in this feature over the years => resolve WF * Shapes-via-Gallery is problematic & partially redundant with the Shapes sub-toolbars and sidebar + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158253 + no point in changing the Gallery (Stuart) + the Gallery is a place for various content being sorted currently by tasks mostly; if we remove the line drawings, for example, it might become more polished but we loose functionality; nevertheless some items might be worth to challenge (Heiko) + categorization is in fact not perfect but providing improvements to the Gallery is beyond one ticket (Hossein) + not a fan of removing content rather better categorization (Hossein) => ticket not actionable => WF -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Dec-06 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, Dec/06, 20:00 CET+1 resp. 7pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * The term "Field Shadings" is confusing + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158291 + rename to "Spotlight Fields"? * "Formattings" should be used instead of "Formats" in some cases + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158290 + eg. "Conditional Formattings"? * Automatic scaling of icons for navigation bar + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158394 * No way to use correct left/right page style automatically depending on the first page number + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148245 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday, Nov/30. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00126.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Nov-22
Present: Maija, Sahil, Julia, Eyal, John, Cor, Heiko Comments: LeroyG, Mike, Ady, Rafael, Werner, Tomaz, Csongor Tickets/Topics * Conducting a survey around LibreOffice + How often would you accept a nag screen? + Would you appreciate a welcome screen with some initial questions? + ... + to bring the results into something actionable is challenging but expected by the participants (Cor) * Inconsistent behavior of "New style from selection" in Styles list and Styles menu + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151563 + works as expected in the Stylist but not anywhere else + add the "paragraph" to the string, at least (LeroyG) + alternative commands for every individual style (Mike) + not obvious that the command uno:StyleNewByExample is needed in menu/toolbar/shortcut (Eyal) + not so important (Cor, John) + drop customizability and access in the UI except the Stylist (Heiko) + drawback is that one needs to activate the Stylist + extra UNO commands would be needed for the Notebookbars too (John) + change just the title for now (Cor, Eyal) + PS can be added by directly adding the name to the styles toolbar control and we could provide an analogue control for CS (Cor) => change command title * add UNO command for Hidden font effect of characters in Writer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158168 + easy to customize via user-defined character style (Heiko) + disagree since it means to multiply CS (Eyal) + suggest to add it as DF (Eyal, John) + depending on the use case it be necessary to add the attribute on top of any format; example workflow is to have words in different language next to each other and hide one or the other (Cor) + but tend to agree with WF/NAB (Cor) => add UNO command (but dont show on the UI by default) * Sidebar pane shortcuts conflict with Alt+NumPad input + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158112 + alt+num code is used to insert characters not on the keyboard (Ady) + make it depending on the OS/DE (Eyal) + use alt+shift+ (Heiko) + Acceptable (Eyal) + remove shortcuts, or make it so users can customize it + no so good (Eyal) + involve a11y into the discussion (Eyal) + ctrl+alt+ is available for customization! => comment * Add 'shuffle' or 'random' option to 'Sort' dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158196 + functionality not available in Excel too + agree to the need for UNO command to shuffling cell range, rows, columns (Rafael) + better suited for Sheet > Fill Cells (Werner) + definitely not (Tomaz) + frequently needed; best suited for the sort dialog as another option after ascending/descending (Csongor) + wonder if randomization needs to have a start value to get the same result repeatedly (Eyal) + should not (Cor) + expect it as extra command under Data among Sort (John) + bloats the dialog (Cor) + would rather like to see it in the dialog; would be more visible (Eyal) + hard to wrap the mind around sort first by col A, the by random B, and finally by C (Heiko) => UNO command might be the best choice -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Nov-30 (THU)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting next weeks is on: Thursday, Nov/30, 14:00 CET resp. 1pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Forced to pick from the existing Impress templates - need to ad a Light and a Dark template + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155609 * Copy SVG Code Directly into LibreOffice to Render Pictures + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41119 + Insert > From Clipboard or Paste Special > As Text * Shapes-via-Gallery is problematic & partially redundant with the Shapes sub-toolbars and sidebar + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158253 * The term "Track changes" is being used ungrammatically + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158289 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is today, Nov/22. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00123.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Nov-16
Present: Hossein, Sahil, Heiko Comments: Miguel, Regina, Cor Tickets/Topics * No hotkey to apply cloned formatting + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156404 + ticket was set to fixed by removing the customizability for the UNO command + Clone formatting is a complex interaction with single click to apply once and double to apply until escaped; this complexity cannot put into a command (but could be done in a simple way) + we do have Repeat (shift+ctrl+Y), which applies the formatting, if this was the last operation, to the current selection (Heiko) + no strong opinion, suggest to be compatible with other programs (Hossein) + in fact MSO allows to copy per ctrl+shift+C and paste from this buffer at any time later per ctrl+shift+V => introduce the UNO command * Setting language for Selection/Paragraph/All text can't be shortcut + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157648 + it's a bug, if pasting w/o format does not work (Cor) + possible solution is to define a character style with the preferred language, use tools > customize > keyboard: styles > character styles to assign a shortcut to this style (ideally you do this in a template); select text and apply the style per shortcut then (Hossein) => no further shortcut needed, WF * UI: Resizing of a selection of columns/rows should correspond to the mouse position + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157945 + do not resize (all columns) to the width of the currently dragged column but divide the sum by the number of columns so the mouse position remains after releasing it (Cor) + sounds reasonable to me, rather with a modifier key such as ctrl to keep the old behavior too (Heiko) + same in Excel and suggest to not break the current behavior (Hossein) => do it * Feature request: Editing, Formatting, UI. Option to add linebreaks when merging cells into one + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158034 + agree to use cr/lf (for rows) and tab (for columns) when merging cells (and split later with this information) (Miguel, Cor, Heiko) + doubt it can be considered generally (Hossein) + undo needs to be considered, tab/linefeed have special meaning => comment * Need a rectangular-brace-pair callout shape + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157879 + good for an extension; attached to the ticket (Regina) + the Gallery > Shapes has some good callout examples (Hossein) + adding such shape leads to compatibility issues + possible to get square brackets from round (Heiko) + but this wont be a callout (Eyal) + compatibility bug should be filed (Hossein) + having the default shapes from other shapes in LibreOffice makes sense (Hossein) + adding too many shapes make access difficult and we should do it only for absolutely necessary content, WF (Heiko) => comment -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Nov-22 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, Nov/22, 20:00 CET+1 resp. 7pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Inconsistent behavior of "New style from selection" in Styles list and Styles menu + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151563 * add UNO command for Hidden font effect of characters in Writer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158168 * Sidebar pane shortcuts conflict with Alt+NumPad input + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158112 * Add 'shuffle' or 'random' option to 'Sort' dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158196 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday, Nov/16. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00121.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Nov-16 (THU)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *in two weeks* is on: Thursday, Nov/16, 14:00 CET resp. 1pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * No hotkey to apply cloned formatting + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156404 + review the decision to not have a dedicated command to make CF shortcut-able * Setting language for Selection/Paragraph/All text can't be shortcut + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157648 + implement some way to set the/a language per shortcut * UI: Resizing of a selection of columns/rows should correspond to the mouse position + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157945 * Feature request: Editing, Formatting, UI. Option to add linebreaks when merging cells into one + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158034 + use cr/lf and tab when merging cells (and split later with this information) * Need a rectangular-brace-pair callout shape + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157879 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is Wednesday Nov/08. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00118.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Re: URL links in bundled template
The original page from the Indonesian contest https://lumbung.libreoffice.id/ is
down too. And ultimately it is a general question whether or not to included
credits for artwork contributions (the link could be removed; and Unsplash, or
similar pages, are not needed at all). It's not uncommon to show names (KDE does
on several places) but feels a bit weird since code contributions are never
personalized ("this feature was brought to you by..."). I tend to vote for removal.
CC: design mailing list
On 04.11.23 16:18, Laurent Balland wrote:
Hello,
While I was updating "Grey Elegant" Impress template for bug 158022 [1], I
noticed that
- on master page "Table of content", there are two URL links ([2] and [3]) for
the credits of the illustration
- on last slide, there are two URL links ([4] and [5]) for the credits of the
photo
[2] seems empty and [4] is a broken link. [3] and [5] look like commercial links
Shall we preserve them? "Vintage" Impress template uses meta.xml [6] to take
care of such information.
Any opinion how we could deal with the credits used in bundled templates?
Best regards
Laurent
[1] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158022
[2] https://icons8.com/illustrations/author/5ec7b0e101d0360016f3d1b3
[3] https://icons8.com/
[4]
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[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Nov-02
Present: Cor, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Stephane Tickets/Topics * in automatic filter, add the number of the first row where the value appears + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157331 + proposal is to show the first occurrence in addition/alternatively to the total number the first occurrence (tdf#149984) + suggest to ask in a forum/ask-libreoffice for good solutions - and request a change if none is found (Cor) + computational effort sounds to be low; real estate on dialog seems to be possible though somewhat cluttered; wouldn't reject the request but recommend to not start work unless more users are interested (Eyal) + would WF the request; searching is easy and showing the total number more relevant (Heiko) => keep ticket and comment * Cell / font formatting lost when data linked from external data + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150414 + if external source has formatting it should be taken into the reference, if not it must not clear the internal format (Eyal) + make the two feature behave in exactly the same way and provide an option to use the source formatting (Stephane) + better documentation needed (Heiko) + topic is very difficult to understand and probably needs more investigation (Cor) => follow Stephane's suggestion * The arrowhead control in the sidebar line section is difficult to notice + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157882 + sidebar is crowded anyway, suggest to not have every single attribute there (Heiko) + cap style / corner style are even less likely changed by users (Eyal) + control is difficult to notice but tooltip makes the functionality obvious (Cor) => improve by moving the current control into a new line, drop cap/corner style, and keep splitting the control for later -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Oct-25
Present: John, Bogdan, Heiko Comments: Eike, Eyal Tickets/Topics * feature [Draw] Color option to identify the layer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157255 + currently we show italic for locked, underline for non-printing and blue font color for invisible, and a bold bar for the active layer + a) just use bold for the active layer and icons for states + drawback is a jumping UI and larger tabs + b) use a thin bar to indicate the object's layer + hard to distinguish from the active layer + c) colorize the layer of the object with highlight color + could use the system highlight color (and invert the blue font of disabled) + like option a) (John) + competitors? draw.io uses kind of a Navigator and draws a tiny dot for the object's layer + ideally improve the Navigator => comment * Re-initialize autofill rather than overwriting content + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157731 + re-initialize autofill rather than overwriting content when pressing ctrl (Heiko) + take care of shift being pressed (just copies the content) + no harm in adding this function (John) => do it * Paste number format only + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157627 + paste special without format should not alter the target format (Eike) + would be a random choice of attributes and bloats the dialog (John, Heiko) + workflow is unclear and sounds very specific + using proper cell style might be a good alternative + Excel provides an option to paste "Formulas and number formats" or alternatively "Values and number formats"; we should consider adding this (John) + just adding the number format could be a checkbox under Options labeled "Number format" disabled if "[x] Format" is checked (and otherwise allowing to overwrite the target number format) => do it * Print or export to PDF by chapters/sections + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157346 + nice shortcut (Heiko) + should be called heading; and agree with the request (Eyal) + makes the print dialog more complicated and is quite unusual; reading first/last page from the document is simple enough (John) => resolve WF -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Nov-02 (THU)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *in two weeks* is * MIND THE DAYLIGHT SAVING TIME * on: Thursday, Nov/02, 14:00 CET resp. 1pm/noon UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * in automatic filter, add the number of the first row where the value appears + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157331 + show in addition/alternatively to the total number the first occurrence? * Cell / font formatting lost when data linked from external data + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150414 + unify functionality or just document * The arrowhead control in the sidebar line section is difficult to notice + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157882 + make arrowheads easier to access in sidebar or remove (or WF/NAB) * FORMATTING: Setting language for Selection/Paragraph/All text can't be shortcut + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157648 + implement some way to set the/a language per shortcut * No hotkey to apply cloned formatting + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156404 + implement an extra command in order to make CF shortcut-able All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is Wednesday Oct/25. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00114.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Oct-19
Present: Cor, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Stephane, RGB, Eyal, Jan, Robert Tickets/Topics * As we now have a Comment style, remove/redirect "Format all comments..." + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157522 + direct formatting might still be needed, eg. to increase the font size for all comments (Stephane) + rename to "Direct format all comments" and perhaps hide it from the menu but keep it; add Edit Style to the menu (Heiko) + turn "Format all comments" into "Edit default paragraph style for comments" (RGB) + rather open the Paragraph Style dialog for the current Comment PS (Eyal) + remove the command, and offer "Select All" (Cor, Eyal) => comment * Improve password security UX + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157518 + implement strength meter based on existing code, do not use rules, consider further improvements (Jan) + https://keepass.info/help/kb/pw_quality_est.html + have an "unmask password" icon (Jan) + have a policy to provide companies a way to not allow simple passwords (Cor, Gabor) + show strength meter with tooltips what do to (Eyal, Heiko) + perhaps split the bug (Eyal) => comment * Method to clear search text drop down list in Base form + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157039 + remember search during the session (Heiko) + store it in the database (Robert) => fix depending on effort * Writer: repeat first column of a table on subsequent pages + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157301 + table don't flow left/right to the next page (Cor) + OP is not a CTL user but wants to split a wide table across multiple pages + theoretically it might be possible "If a table does not fit on a single page, a set of adjacent table columns can be automatically repeated on every page..." + Calc provide means to achieve this via Print Range > Row/Columns to repeat (Cor) + don't worth the effort, unless the OP can explain why implementing this in Writer in necessary (Eyal) => WF -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Oct-25 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, Oct/25, 20:00 CEST+1 resp. 6pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * feature [Draw] Color option to identify the layer + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157255 * Re-initialize autofill rather than overwriting content + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157731 * Paste number format only + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157627 * Print or export to PDF by chapters/sections + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157346 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday, Oct/19. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00112.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Oct-05
Present: Heiko Comments: Gabor, Jean-Francois, Stephane, Ilmari, Telesto, Attila, William, Khaled, Stuart Tickets/Topics * Writer allows to insert comments in footnotes in DOCX, but loses them + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157406 + have UI settings for all similar MSO-compat options (Gabor) + add AllowCommentsInFootnotes and ClockwisePieChartDirection but not ReverseSeriesOrderAreaAndNetChart, and ReverseXAxisOrientationDoughnutChart (Heiko) => easy hack * Import & Export mechanism for the font substitution table + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157415 + realize per extension (Jean-Francois, Heiko) => WF * Formula help still displayed when editing cell formatted as text + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156674 + show tip anyway (Stephane) + cell reference highlighting might be misleading (Ilmari) + formula might be shown anyway (Heiko) + and the tooltip shows up only while editing; possible workflow is to write formulas in text mode and switch finally to number for execution- which makes the tooltip valuable => resolve WF/NAB * Cursor goes beyond margins when typing spaces at the end of a line + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155494 + mimic MS Word that allows spaces beyond margin and off page (Telesto) + controversial situation; allow space, don't wrap line, give feedback... and the use case is very dubious (Attila) + not being able to add pointless spaces at the end or breaking into the next line was the reason for the report (William) + TextEdit and Pages keep the cursor at line end regardless spaces (Khaled) + MS Word had in the past '"Wrap trailing spaces to the next line" (for compatibility with WordPerfect)'; suggest to break line (Stuart) + make this optional (William, Heiko) => add optionally -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Oct-19 (THU)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *in two weeks* is on: Thursday, Oct/19, 14:00 CEST resp. 12pm/noon UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design (no meeting next week because of vacation) Here is the agenda: * As we now have a Comment style, remove/redirect "Format all comments..." + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157522 * Improve password security UX + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157518 * Writer: repeat first column of a table on subsequent pages + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157301 * Method to clear search text drop down list in Base form + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157039 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is Thursday Oct/05. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00110.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Sep-27
Present: Maja, Eyal, Rafael, John, Rizal, Heiko
Comments: Stephane
Tickets/Topics
* Support partial visibility of tracked changes (at least like MS Word)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157104
+ use case: reviewer caring about content not formatting (Stephane)
+ tools > options > writer > changes allows to set every type to [None]
but it still becomes colored differently, at least for formatting
+ agree with the request (John), agree with the use case (Rafael)
+ show in the TC sidebar (only) (Heiko)
+ should also be available in the menu (Eyal)
+ toolbar button to toggle margin visibility needs rework (Eyal)
+ improve tools > options? not a good choice as it is not per document,
low discoverability
+ take care of margin options
=> do it
* [UI] Presenter mode does not use system font
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157276
+ complex theming at ooO.PresenterScreen.Presenter.Themes[]
including background image, font size, color, style...
and familyname, though not set
+ PresenterTheme::FontDescriptor::CreateFont() {
if (msFamilyName.isEmpty())
aFontRequest.FontDescription.FamilyName = "Tahoma";
+ customization in the registry could be applied and shared
via extension
+ certainly needs to be larger and more distinctive than usual
UI content (Eyal)
+ "fallback" resp. default for empty fontfamily should not be Tahoma
but the UI font (Eyal)
+ don't dislike the current solution, wouldn't change it (Heiko)
+ prefer to have the system default (Rafael)
=> let's do it
* EDITING Hyperlink to hidden sheet navigates to wrong sheet
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118866
+ how does MSO work? the same as Calc -> no information (John)
+ even worse since editing the hyperlink breaks it while we
still list the hidden sheet
+ a) switch anyway (and show the hidden sheet, maybe only temporarily)
+ a1) permanently unhide the hidden sheet, since the
temporary action is too surprising (Eyal, Rafael)
+ b) show some info bar, message box, balloon tip
+ c) disable the link and change the appearance accordingly
+ IMO b) or a1); against c) (Eyal)
+ IMO b) or a) (John)
+ IMO b) infobar; against a1) and a) as there might be a need
to hide a sheet (Rafael, Maja)
+ protected sheets need to be considered; showing is not an option in
this case
+ the infobar moves the content downward, a messagebox is disruptive
=> do it (easyhackable, medium interesting)
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[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Oct-05 (THU)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Thursday, Oct/05, 14:00 CEST resp. 12pm/noon UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Writer allows to insert comments in footnotes in DOCX, but loses them + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157406 + what options list in the UI? * Import & Export mechanism for the font substitution table + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157415 + dedicated function, extension, or don't do? * Formula help still displayed when editing cell formatted as text + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156674 + hide tooltip in case of text-formatting * Cursor goes beyond margins when typing spaces at the end of a line + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155494 + break line, show ellipsis, or accept All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is today, Wednesday Sep/27. The agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00109.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Sep-27 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, Sep/27, 20:00 CEST+1 resp. 6pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Support partial visibility of tracked changes (at least like MS Word) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157104 * [UI] Presenter mode does not use system font + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157276 * EDITING Hyperlink to hidden sheet navigates to wrong sheet + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118866 * No way to use correct left/right page style automatically depending on the first page number + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148245 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 There is no meeting this week. Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Sep-13
Present: John, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Dieter, Stephane, Mike Tickets/Topics * Separate Default Page Size from Language Locale + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149478 + add an option to set the default page size (John, Eyal) + Consider placing the option elsewhere than Languages Settings | Language, as that is not intuitive & difficult to discover (Eyal) + templates are pretty easy to do and users should learn this (Dieter) => do it * UX review needed for Options - Writer - Compatibility dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157006 + hide single GUI option (John, Heiko) + reorganize the other, ie. OpenOffice 1.1 together + perhaps combining all those options makes it easier (John) + rename, ie. use verbs at the beginning + shorten text if possible, ie. "Tolerate..." without " for compatibility..." (needs to be considered individually) + Perhaps consider having a drop-down list box for setting the selection to correspond to specific apps: OOo 1.1, some version(s) of MS Word etc. (Eyal) + Planning to comment on specifics in more detail on the bug page (Eyal) => easyhack * Tabs in Ruler not showing correctly + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157081 + Windows show no automatic tab stop at all (only manual) + change design of default tab stop indicator and (John) + use left/right pointing angle for LTR/RTL (Stephane) => do it * Inconsistent table row selection + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155670 + nothing "surprising" in the selection, LibreOffice is doing well (Heiko) + LO behavior on is surprising, frustrates expectations and inconsistent (e.g. third-line-level vs first-line-level) (Eyal) + unclear use case /issue (John) + compatibility might be relevant (John) + don't think we need to make the same mistakes (Heiko) + Disagree, issue is very clear (Eyal) + Will try to make a video to better clarify the frustration (Eyal) => prolly NAB * Incentivize users to use the latest version via the UI + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153153 + prompt would be intrusive, static text in About dialog okay (Mike) + Windows has the (auto-)updater informing about new versions, Linux distributions prefer own update procedures, no need for more "incentives" (Heiko) + About dialog is not an incentive per se (Eyal) + rather invest in better update mechanism and "intrusive prompt" when new major updates are available (Eyal) + show an infobar on major version "Version is no longer supported" along with buttons "Update", "Show again", Don't bother again" (Eyal, John) => comment -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] No design/UX meeting 2023-Sep-21 (THU)
Hello all, there will be no meeting *next week*. The meeting *this week* is tomorrow, Wednesday Sep/13, the agenda can be found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00105.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Sep-07
Present: Eyal, Heiko Comments: Dieter, Mike, Balazs, Stephane, Maxim Tickets/Topics * Pasting a table cell, pastes the source cell in the upper/actual cell as an inner table cell + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149625 + always put inner tables when cursor is inside the cell (Mike) + use modifier key or paste special dialog + do not change / WF as such a rare use case does not improve with a different workflow (Dieter) => resolved NAB/INV meanwhile * Not possible to enable table header rows repeat from menubar + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93694 + command is not frequently used and does not deserve a place in the main/context menu (Heiko) + Command is used frequently enough to merit reasonable visibility, and its toggle aspect (repeat yes/no) at least also merits increased visibility (Eyal) + adding the command to the table toolbar is not sufficiently visible/ accessible, people will not notice it as they rarely pay attention to the table toolbar, and an icon will not draw their attention (Eyal) + adding to the context menu is an acceptable "compensation" for the loss of visibility via the menu (Eyal) + shorter command label would be good (Heiko, Eyal) + start label with an action verb like "Repeat Header Rows" + sounds good; and is used on MSO too + do the same with .uno:RowSplit and move to the context menu and name it "Break Row Across Pages" => do it * "Fit height to text" is misleading, only regards growing rather than shrinking + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156939 + resizing works, if not set manually (Heiko) + ... but the box is still never shrunk, only stretched (Eyal) + ideally this toggle would make the box both stretch and shrink as necessary (Heiko) + Unless the functionality is changing very soon, better rename so that the label fits the current, rather than the ideal, functionality (Eyal) + Suggest "Stretch" instead of "Fit" (Eyal) + MSO uses "[ ] Resize shape to fit text" and "[ ] Wrap text in shape" + "Resize shape" switches off automatically when the height changes + if "Wrap text" is switched off, the box is sized according the page width (and text still breaks) + if the box is resized from the page width, the "Wrap text" option is switched on automatically + feature needs to be ODF compliant => comment * "Fit width to text" shouldn't default to "extend width to fit whole paragraph on a single line" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156942 + should do the same as "Fit height to text" (Heiko) + and does - the text box changes depending on the text if active; otherwise the text breaks + should not grow beyond page/side width (Eyal, Heiko) + ... but limitation on growing beyond page/window width is independent of the behavior choice in this bug (Eyal) + request is to set width, and apply line breaking, so that the paragraph fits to the chosen box height; at least as an optional behavior, preferably as the default or single behavior (Eyal) + not a common functionality and needs to be available in ODF (Heiko) + Arranging text in textboxes is an extremely common activity with Impress. Also, with the current behavior being unwieldy, using this functionality couldn't be common (Eyal) => comment * add toggle to show / hide authorship metadata in popup Calc comments + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156885 + config key could be added (Balazs) + agree with the toggle request meaning show/hide (Eyal) + Calc is special regarding comments and should not compared with Writer; such a toggle makes sense (Stephane, Ady) + show comments in a sidebar tab makes hiding simple (Maxim) + function to clear metadata sounds more appropriate than a (hidden) config key that disables the feature (Heiko) => comment -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Sep-13 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, Sep/13, 20:00 CEST+1 resp. 6pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Separate Default Page Size from Language Locale + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149478 + add an option to set the default page size? * UX review needed for Options - Writer - Compatibility dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157006 + hide single GUI option, reorganize the other, and rename a few * Tabs in Ruler not showing correctly + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157081 + change design of default tab stop indicator or don't show at all * Inconsistent table row selection + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155670 + how much consistency with MSO is needed? * Incentivize users to use the latest version via the UI + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153153 + feedback whether the installed version is the latest at the about box All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday Sep/07, the agenda can be found here: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00103.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Aug-30
Present: Eyal, Heiko
Comments: Khaled, Stuart
Tickets/Topics
* Ability to remove non-printing/"atypical" characters in a stretch
of text
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156507
+ there is no such thing as exotic characters (Khaled, Stuart)
+ recommended workflow is to use advanced search and replace
with +F10 exposing NPC, and +X showing Unicode
=> wontfix
* The "Fast Action" Buttons to hide/unhide all grouped columns & rows
disappear when View Headers is set to conceal headers
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156495
+ a) keep the extra space and just hide the labels
+ b) disable the command and always show headers if groups exist
+ c) accept situation since done intentionally
=> c), resp. WF; also since groups still can be shown/hidden
individually
* Indication of which table rows are considered heading rows is
"hidden away" from the user
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156454
+ make a duplicate of bug 113603 "Unified table management"
+ any band-aid like some info in the context menu or
tooltips to indicate whether a row is a header is odd
=> make a duplicate
* Allow insertion of items into master without a selected item
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155741
+ works in the floating Navigator ("Text" is always selected)
but not when docked
+ unclear why insertion is not possible
+ having some random entry when nothing is in the document
is weird
+ selecting the first item by default is not a solution
since after adding a document one ends up with no selection
=> needsDevEval
* Custom list numbering from DOCX import is not available in UI
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156598
+ new scheme allows to use %1%2 on any level
+ mockup prepared during the session
+ would like to have "%1{.%2}[2-]{.%3}[3-]{.%4}[4-]{.%5}
[5-]{.%6}[6-]{.%7}[7-]{.%8}[8-]{.%9}[9-]{.%10}[10-]" (Eyal)
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[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Sep-07 (THU)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Thursday, Sep/07, 14:00 CEST resp. 12pm/noon UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Pasting a table cell, pastes the source cell in the upper/actual cell as an inner table cell + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149625 + always put inner tables when cursor is inside the cell (Mike) + use modifier key or paste special dialog + do not change / WF as such a rare use case does not improve with different workflow * Not possible to enable table header rows repeat from menubar + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93694 + is this command frequently used so it needs a place in the main/context menu? * add toggle to show / hide authorship metadata in popup Calc comments + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156885 + disable or delete authorship for comments in Calc * "Fit height to text" is misleading, only regards growing rather than shrinking + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156939 + rename or enhance * "Fit width to text" shouldn't default to "extend width to fit whole paragraph on a single line" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156942 + unclear scope, option for re-wrapping vs. resizing might be over-engineering All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Wednesday Aug/30, the agenda can be found https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00101.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Aug-24
Present: Heiko Comments: Jan, Eyal Tickets/Topics * On F1 / Help failure - No resolution path is identified for resolving errormesssage + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142926 => no further comment, the doer decides * No hotkey to apply cloned formatting + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156404 + don't add an extra shortcut for sticky cloning (Heiko) => no further comment, WF * In LibreOffice Writer no option to select all text with the same formating + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156488 + ENHANCEMENT: Select all text with the same formatting + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94989 + resolve WF/NAB as we do this via Find All (Heiko) + unclear use case: select all text with certain formatting for what purpose?; likely has alternative/better ways to achieve (Heiko) + F is not the place anyone would look for this functionality (Eyal) => WF, as this was the decision in the past * Split search for text and for style into two tabs in Find and Replace dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156493 + good idea (Jan) + applies to "Paragraph Style", "Attributes", and "Format"/"No Format" + searching for attributes/formatting in comments or via regex is possible although unlikely needed + don't see much advantage (Heiko) => do it -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Aug-30 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, Aug/30, 20:00 CEST+1 resp. 6pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Ability to remove non-printing/"atypical" characters in a stretch of text + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156507 * Custom list numbering from DOCX import is not available in UI + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156598 * The "Fast Action" Buttons to hide/unhide all grouped columns & rows disappear when View Headers is set to conceal headers + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156495 * Indication of which table rows are considered heading rows is "hidden away" from the user + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156454 * Allow insertion of items into master without a selected item + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155741 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday Aug/24, the agenda can be found here: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00098.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Aug-16
Present: John, Hossein, Heiko Comments: Eike, Justin, Bogdan Tickets/Topics * Select paragraph (quad click) causes jumping to the end + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156369 + see also https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137603 + MSO hides the caret on selection, we show it and give feedback where it is; changing this should be done + not so many people requesting this change (John) + actually it is a frequently asked question (Heiko) + depends on the OS/DE how selection works (Notepad on Windows hides the caret likewise MSO while Kate on Linux/KDE does the same as we do, ie. show and move the caret) + advantage of showing the caret is better feedback; you see what has been selected (important when the text spawns multiple pages) + do not change this; and if do it optional (Heiko) => make this request a duplicate of 137603 and comment there * Warn when default format is changed + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90593 + no warning when changing the default at Tools > Options > Load/Save + pointless in first place and common without (Bogdan, Justin) + saving as plain txt gives no warning but changing on SaveAs to doc it warns; MSO gives a warning for odt (for example) even when it is the default (together with a don't show again checkbox) + would expect the same as MSO for all formats but odt/fodt; the "warn when not saving..." below should become "Do want in case of alien formats" being controlled on the confirmation dialog => do so * Wrong cell attributes assumed + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113687 + valid request but header should be taken into account (Eike) => make the format of inserted rows/cols depending on the action left/right (rather prior/after) resp. below/top * Cannot copy formula by copying cell when displaying with Show Formula + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156357 => assigned * Option to REQUIRE pressing F2 or Enter to switch to cell edit mode and ignore any data entry attempts otherwise + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155891 + option to disallow direct input in Calc (F2 always required) + if implemented it should be done as expert option to make it hard to find for average users (Hossein) => do it -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jul-27
Present: Shu, Hossein, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Ady, Thomas, Roman Tickets/Topics * Allow to invert selection in Autofilter + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156305 + wont clutter too much and nice to have (Ady) => add the option * Get Rid of the Red Background Color in Find Box + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156227 + shading has a clear meening (Thomas) + don't mind the red highlighting (Shu) + bad contrast for black font on red background, at least on Windows (Hossein) + MSO shows an extra dialog + Not having a popup/dialog to tell nothing is found may lead to issues. For example in Writer, it caused the screen reader not announcing it https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117173 => make "Search key not found" label bold and red instead of the input highlight => show a dialog with "Search key not found" with a "[x] Show this message" dialog for a11y * The "increase indent" icon has no effect after reaching cell border + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114452 + keep function and make it depending on the cell size rather than column (Shu) + increase after maximum (Eyal) + disable the command if the indentation is at the maximum => do it * Pivot table - enable subtotals by default + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155130 + enabling per double click on row field is easy (Roman) + enabling subtotals clutters the table, in particular in case of multiple groups where users should decide manually which group needs a summary (Heiko) => do not enable by default * continue fulfilling input fields + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101625 + hide the button (Shu, Heiko) => do it -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Aug-16 (WED)
Hello all, there will be *no design/UX meeting the next two weeks* scheduled for Wed Aug/02 and Thu Aug/10. The next meeting will be on: Wednesday, Aug/16, 20:00 CEST+1 resp. 6pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Select paragraph (quad click) causes jumping to the end + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156369 + see also https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137603 + keep cursor position on (any) selection? * Warn when default format is changed + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90593 + no warning when changing the default at Tools > Options > Load/Save + pointless in first place and common without (Bogdan, Justin) * Wrong cell attributes assumed + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113687 + make the format of inserted rows/cols depending on the action left/right (rather prior/after) resp. below/top? * Cannot copy formula by copying cell when displaying with Show Formula + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156357 + what to copy/paste if Show Formula is checked in Calc * Option to REQUIRE pressing F2 or Enter to switch to cell edit mode and ignore any data entry attempts otherwise + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155891 + option to disallow direct input in Calc (F2 always required) All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday Jul/27, the agenda can be found here: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00094.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Winterfeldtstraße 52, 10781 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jul-19
Present: Heiko Comments: Dieter, Cor, Ady Tickets/Topics * Add Favorites section to Formula Editor + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156188 + add "last used" similar to functions in Calc (Heiko) => do it * EDITING: Extending selection to next word includes after-word space + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155949 + support the proposal for consistency (Dieter) + no need to select for DF on a single word (Cor) => recommend to not implement but keep open for further input * Animation deck 'Play' button should be positioned to lead edge of deck, so always visible + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156192 + like the suggestion (Cor) => do it * Choose which adjacent column of a "double clicked" formula dictates the extent of the fill + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149356 + proposal not clear (Ady) + Instead of only considering the "left-side" column (or "prior") for RTL/CTL cases) + autofill action will remain the same; the difference is that both-sides adjacent columns are considered instead of just the "prior" + unclear what happens when hidden columns are adjacent + No new shortcuts => implement alt+click to autofill on the opposite site => change behavior depending on LTR/RTL and rename into prior (left for LTR) and after (at least in the documentation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Jul-27 (THU)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Thursday, Jul/27, 14:00 CEST resp. 12pm/noon UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Allow to invert selection in Autofilter + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156305 + add the option? * Get Rid of the Red Background Color in Find Box + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156227 + make "Search key not found" label red instead of the input highlight? * The "increase indent" icon has no effect after reaching cell border + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114452 + increase indent beyond visible area or fix the issue with merged cells and disable the command when at the limit? * Pivot table - enable subtotals by default + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155130 + add an option or follow Roman's suggestion in c10? * continue fulfilling input fields + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101625 + rework the dialog from ground or just hide the Edit button or WF? All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Wednesday Jul/19, the agenda can be found here: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00090.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jul-13
Present: Hossein, Cor, Heiko Comments: Stuart, Stephane, Shu, Eyal, David Tickets/Topics * Removing "contextual groups" from the list of NB variants + Justin resolved some related tickets as WF/WFM + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Guidelines/ToolBar + https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/12/21/evolving-past-the-restrictions-of-toolbars/. + pro removing: experimental state for long, some effort needed + con: would be a pity to just follow what others do + too many UI options anyway (Hossein) + unfortunately we do not have the manpower to improve these ideas + we have this ticket somewhere (Heiko) * Add an "all pages" view mode to Draw to scroll through all pages in canvas (without needing Page Pane) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156087 + similar to Writer's multiple-page view; expected by many users (Stephane, Shu) + Impress has the Slide Sorter in an extra view mode + Draw is not a PDF viewer, WF (Stuart) + missing function (Shu) + Draw is not meant to show multi-page documents, dup of bug 141732 or invalid (Eyal) => resolve WF * Rename "rotation object" to "solid of revolution" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156099 + https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_of_revolution (Tuomas) + ODF defines "a three-dimensional rotation shape based on the given polygon"; the more convoluted "solid of revolution" while lexically correct adds nothing to the UI or the UX (Stuart) => resolve NAB * Support distinction rather than override of conflicting subdocument styles + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155740 + unclear use case (David) + some confirmation per document (Shu) + if we better go with a global master switch (Heiko) + master documents are a special workflow aiming for style consistency, WF (Mike, Hossein) + unclear use case (David) + copy/paste could solve alternative workflows (Shu) => resolve WF * When setting the Heading/Outline Numbering for a level to "None", still getting separators + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156089 + works like in MSO, WF (Justin) + no reason to block, WF (Heiko) + asking to _clear_ the separator fields in case of None (Eyal) + remembering "Chapter/:" is not a (good) solution since users may change it for None into "-/>", or the like, making it very difficult to follow + behavior existing for years shouldn't change without good reasons (Hossein) + list style is something you shouldn't change multiple times => resolve WF * Autocorrect replaces " - " with " – " instead of " — " (en-dash instead of em-dash) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156046 + maybe drop the conversion of single hyphen (Stuart) + typically two hyphen is an EN-dash, three EM (Heiko) + two dashes with / without spaces is kind of standard and working like this in MSO (Hossein) + clearly described in https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/shared/01/06040100.html + two dashes without spaces like 1--2 is not correctly converted (Heiko) => bug; do not change the behavior as described in the help -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Jul-19 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, July/19, 20:00 CEST+1 resp. 6pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Add Favorites section to Formula Editor + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156188 * EDITING: Extending selection to next word includes after-word space + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155949 * Animation deck 'Play' button should be positioned to lead edge of deck, so always visible + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156192 * Choose which adjacent column of a "double clicked" formula dictates the extent of the fill + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149356 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday Jul/13, the agenda can be found here: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00088.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jul-05
Present: Lupe, Bogdan, John, Rizal, Heiko Comments: Jean-Baptiste, Ady, Eyal, Hossein, Mike, Eike, Ilmari Tickets/Topics * default file names when printing workbook in PDF SUGGESTION : default file names when printing workbook in PDF + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144207 + automatically suggest a PDF file name + the first words of a text document does not express generally the contains of the document, might be sensitive (Jean-Baptiste) + we name documents "Untitled" when saving (Heiko) => don't do + automatically create several PDF files according to the choice indicated + add a checkbox below and indented under All with "[ ] Split workbook and create individual PDFs for every sheet", or the like (Heiko) + no harm in it but shouldn't be the default (John) => do it * Hash marks that indicate "cell too narrow" should expand according to the cell width + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155886 + agree with a _minimum_ of three # marks (Ady) + clutters the spreadsheet (Heiko) + filling with ##'s is better then having the arbitrary three #'s (Eyal, Hossein) + three hashes are easier to spot (Lupe) + unclear use case (John) => comment * Warning dialog shows only once for "Record changes" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147980 + not only about *protection* of the recording, but also about *controlling* (Mike) + add wording about the destructive nature of the action in the Calc case (Eike) + consider removing this checkbox entirely (Eyal) + unclear what is being destroyed (John) => investigate and suggest a text * "replace custom styles" option in AutoCorrect should be removed + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140024 + agree (Stuart, Heiko) + totally unclear, "Custom Styles" could be Direct Formatting (Eyal) + removing it wouldn't be realized by many users anyway (John) + the lately introduced Spotlight feature shows styles clearly (Heiko) + use case is maybe on receiving a document from someone else all "alien" styles can be converted at once (Rizal) + rename the option maybe (Rizal) + perfectly clear (Heiko, John) + should be better switched off by default => forward to documentation with suggestion to add an example * proposal-option to remove whitespace characters (other than space) in "paste special", "clear direct formatting", Format->Text and in import dialog box + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148544 + clean() and trim() work well (Ilmari) + objective easy to achieve with inbuilt functions (Ady) + Users could also mark the undesired character as separator in the import dialogue and also check Merge delimiters + unclear use case (Eyal) + typically not added intentionally and suggested option would be convenient (Stuart, Rizal) => suggest to keep ticket open and wait for supporters -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Jul-13 (THU)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Thursday, Jul/13, 14:00 CEST resp. 12pm/noon UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Removing "contextual groups" from the list of NB variants + Justin resolved some related tickets as WF/WFM + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Guidelines/ToolBar + https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/12/21/evolving-past-the-restrictions-of-toolbars/. + pro removing: experimental state for long, some effort needed + con: would be a pity to just follow what others do * Add an "all pages" view mode to Draw to scroll through all pages in canvas (without needing Page Pane) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156087 + similar to Writer's multiple-page view; expected by many users (Stephane, Shu) + Impress has the Slide Sorter in an extra view mode + Draw is not a PDF viewer, WF (Stuart) * Rename "rotation object" to "solid of revolution" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156099 + https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_of_revolution (Tuomas) + ODF defines "a three-dimensional rotation shape based on the given polygon"; WF (Stuart) * Support distinction rather than override of conflicting subdocument styles + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155740 + unclear use case (David) + some confirmation per document (Shu) + if we better go with a global master switch (Heiko) + master documents are a special workflow aiming for style consistency, WF (Mike) * When setting the Heading/Outline Numbering for a level to "None", still getting separators + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156089 + works like in MSO, WF (Justin) + no reason to block, WF (Heiko) + asking to _clear_ the separator fields in case of None (Eyal) * Autocorrect replaces " - " with " – " instead of " — " (en-dash instead of em-dash) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156046 + maybe drop the conversion of single hyphen (Stuart) + typically two hyphen is an EN-dash, three EM (Heiko) All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Wednesday Jul/05, the agenda can be found here: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00086.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Jul-05 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, July/05, 20:00 CEST+1 resp. 6pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * default file names when printing workbook in PDF + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144207 * Hash marks that indicate "cell too narrow" should expand according to the cell width + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155886 * Warning dialog shows only once for "Record changes" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147980 * "replace custom styles" option in AutoCorrect should be removed + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140024 * proposal-option to remove whitespace characters (other than space) in "paste special", "clear direct formatting", Format->Text and in import dialog box + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148544 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 There is no meeting *this week* (scheduled Thursday Jun/29). Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Jun-29 (THU)
Hello all, there will be no design/UX meeting next week. Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jun-21
Present: Eyal, Shu, John, Hossein, Heiko Comments: Dieter, Stuart Tickets/Topics * Several Calc menu commands are available in Read-Only mode + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155434 + it's about to grey out items that cannot be used (Eyal) => makes sense * Edit Index Entry dialog: Replace "Apply" button with "Reset" button and make "Close" apply automatically + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155471 + consistency is prime, keep Apply but add Ok (Dieter) + no indication when changes are applied (eg not in case of Close) => warn if Close is pressed without Apply/Next (Eyal) + how about labeling with "Previous <= => Next (and Apply)" (Heiko) + no urgent need for adding Reset (Eyal, Heiko) + Apply could be removed (Heiko) + we could disable Apply if no changes are made (Eyal) + Apply is handy if one doesnt want to press next/prev (Eyal, John) => resolve WF and suggest follow-up tickets * Option to Disable Overwrite Mode (Insert Key) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155561 + standard behavior, Overwrite is shown in the statusbar (Heiko) + draw attention the first time users do it (John, Eyal) + MSO has an option to enable insert/overwrite (but doesn't show any indicator, neither as different cursor not in the statusbar) => show a warning dialog the first time overwrite is enabled; okay button must not be in focus * How many copies you want of something should not be hidden in the print dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147514 + the dialog remembers the expanded state (Stuart) + the dialog is too large, expanding by default makes the content scroll; moving single items into the non-expandable part breaks relation (Heiko) + swap include and number of copies (Eyal, John) + check display size and expand the section and resize the dialog if possible (Hossein) + changing the number of pages is a more common use case than include odd/even (John, Eyal) + keep collation in the collapsed section (Eyal) + rename first "More" to "Collation and Paper Size", and the second "Pages per Sheet" => do this * Set paragraph style drop down is able to create new styles, which is unconventional (and not fitting the label) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155729 + disable style creation; just search for styles (Heiko) + similar for fonts- typing another font name is possible even if it doesnt exists + open a dialog and ask users what to do; disagree with removal (Eyal) + MSO has no similar option for styles but for font names- it shows a dialog if the font not exists whether it should be used anyway + It had in Office 2003, but not now (Hossein) + function is useful if the sidebar is not open (replaces the somewhat hidden "New from Selection") + allow renaming the current style? (Heiko) not needed (John, Eyal) => show the dialog with yes/no option -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jun-15
Present: Happy, Hossein, Heiko Comments: Mike, Dieter, Eyal Tickets/Topics * E-Mail by using mail-merge needs handling of: "messages per connection" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155299 + reasonable request (Mike) + add to Tools > Options > Writer > Mail Merge a frame "Options" with "Break every [ 100] messages for [ 5] s" (the values could need a review) => do this * Allow edit of F1 keystroke + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155671 + makes sense to allow customization of all keys (Happy) + F1 has a dedicated command so it's just the limitation to customize => allow it * Include extension chart digitizer in LO 7 chart with Calc table + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139933 + LibreOffice is not an OCR tool, well suited for an extension (Heiko) => do not add to the core functionality * More centralized endnote/footnote settings + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125876 + rename Tools > "F & E" to "Footnotes/Endnotes settings" (Dieter) + +1 (Happy, Heiko) + add F Settings to context menu of footnote anchor + should be the fact right now + rename "Insert > Footnote or Endnote" to "Edit Footnote/Endnote" (Dieter) + rather hide this command as adding a random character is odd (Heiko) + it's the only way to insert characters not available as numbering lists like Arabic alef (Hossein) + keep and rename to "Insert Special Footnote/Endnote" (Happy) + make footnote numbering page-style-specific, rename the Insert > F dialog "Out-of-order Note" or "Special Note", provide access to Page Style from F (Eyal) + off topic here, depends on bug 155712; if footnotes were bound to page style it would be confusing for left/right varying styles => follow Dieter's suggestion except Special F/E * HYPERLINK DIALOG: Simplification of Hyperlink Process + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130646 + search for bookmarks or optionally sort alphabetically in the Navigator + Navigator shows the URL on hover + use case is "referencing of terminology" which would be Insert > Cross-reference (Eyal) + or rather Alphabetical Index created per Concordance File (Heiko) => sufficient methods, NEEDINFO -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Jun-21 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, Jun/21, 20:00 CEST+1 resp. 6pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Several Calc menu commands are available in Read-Only mode + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155434 * Edit Index Entry dialog: Replace "Apply" button with "Reset" button and make "Close" apply automatically + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155471 * Option to Disable Overwrite Mode (Insert Key) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155561 * How many copies you want of something should not be hidden in the print dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147514 * Set paragraph style drop down is able to create new styles, which is unconventional (and not fitting the label) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155729 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is Thursday Jun/15, the agenda can be found here: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00079.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jun-07
Present: Eyal, John, Heiko Comments: Mike, Andre, Stuart Tickets/Topics * [Character styles] Make more clear that the font used is from the paragraph style + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153623 + part of bug 88559 "Display of inherited attributes from parent styles in Styles dialog" (Mike) + visual clue that an attribute has not been explicitly set or unset is needed (Andre) + show an indicator on altered attributes (Eyal) + could be similar to system settings at KDE (Heiko) + not showing the actual attributes from the PS is a bug (Eyal, John) + changing the character format inline for multiple paragraphs empties the varying fields, which is easy to follow; otherwise it takes the value from the PS, again easy to understand => comment * WRITER: Can't define a character style for Regular font variant + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155113 + starting from a PS with italic font, this attribute is taken into the CS and can be changed into regular, meaning it could be solved with the above (Heiko) + there are some reasons to create a CS not based on any PS (Eyal) + show the indicator in a greyed-out appearance if an attribute is changed and allow to make this sticky; clicking on the indicator toggles from on to off (removing individual attributes from a style) => easy to understand * Remove (or change functionality and label) of "Default" button in Styles tab of Insert Index dialog (see c1,c6,c7) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153653 + decision for c6 & c7 needed (renaming proposals) + make style selection likewise the B dialog (Eyal) + does not work as this dialog has way less attributes to assign => go with context menus and maybe a trashbin-symbol in the middle for the factory setting * I want to choose my Notebookbar without changing my whole User Interface + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148123 + merits as MUFFIN proposal (Stuart) + power users may like this, average users don't need it (John) + if the UI is customized (Notebookbar + Toolbars) it should be persistent (John) + menubar on/off is remembered + low priority (Eyal) => fix the bug -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Jun-15 (THU)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Thursday, Jun/15, 14:00 CEST resp. 12pm/noon UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * E-Mail by using mail-merge needs handling of: "messages per connection" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155299 * Allow edit of F1 keystroke + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155671 * Include extension chart digitizer in LO 7 chart with calc table + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139933 * More centralized endnote/footnote settings + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125876 * HYPERLINK DIALOG: Simplification of Hyperlink Process + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130646 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Wednesday Jun/07, the agenda can be found here: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00077.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jun-01
Present: Hossein, Heiko Comments: Eike, Eyal, Mike, Kabilo, Stephane Tickets/Topics * Allow entering textbox edit mode with single click instead of double-click + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153749 + ideally we consistently implement single click to activate the (text box) object vs. double click to enter the edit mode + Impress/Draw has the option General > Allow quick editing (Heiko) + Excel works as requested and single click goes into edit mode and one has to grab the frame to move (Hossein) + bad idea for charts as it results in unintentional editing (Eike) + see also bug 141841 + oppose to change the global default and opposing a quick editing mode for charts (Eyal) => implement as an option, off by default for Calc and Writer, and on for Impress/Draw as of today * Writer - protected section - allow to insert content into fields + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154808 + fields provide important features, also useful for templates (Mike) + one use case is to hide sections but don't delete (Kabilo) + unclear how to protect (Eyal) + in the field dialog per "[ ] Ignore protection" or + in the section dialog next to "[ ] Editable in read-only documents" per "[ ] Keep fields editable in case of protection" + use case is weak; the field to control hidden parts does not need to be in a protected section (Heiko, Hossein) => plenty of options, rather not do it * UI: Remediate frustration of unclear style names in style-name picklist contexts + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155054 + picklist / dropdown should show hierarchy (OP, Eyal) + WF because of the Automatic filter option (Heiko) + trees are complex UI elements and detrimental to usability (Heiko) + request could be solved with some kind of alias; although the current situation is fine (Hossein) => resolve WF * "Growing Liberty" Impress template has a slide of unclear (suspicious for advertizing) nature in the end + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155390 + keep last slide with icons, +1 (Rania, Laurent) + provide icons rather per Gallery, -1 (Eyal) + credits look like advertising, -1 (Mike, Heiko, Hossein) => remove the slide (1 page) * Make "Level" spinbox into a dropdown menu in the Document tab of "Insert - Field" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154052 + agree with the suggestion (Stephane, Heiko, Hossein) + don't mind if direct editing remains possible (Eyal) => do it -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Jun-07 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, Jun/07, 20:00 CEST+1 resp. 6pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * [Character styles] Make more clear that the font used is from the paragraph style + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153623 + part of bug 88559 "Display of inherited attributes from parent styles in Styles dialog" (Mike) + visual clue that an attribute has not been explicitly set or unset is needed (Andre) + highlight font, add frame or icon/checkbox, have an undefined state on all controls * WRITER: Can't define a character style for Regular font variant + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155113 + could be solved with the above * Remove (or change functionality and label) of "Default" button in Styles tab of Insert Index dialog (see c1,c6,c7) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153653 + decision for c6 & c7 needed (renaming proposals) * I want to choose my Notebookbar without changing my whole User Interface + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148123 + merits as MUFFIN proposal (Stuart) All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is Thursday Jun/01, the agenda can be found here: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00075.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-May-24
Present: https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/design#L39 Comments: Eike, Ady, Bogdan, Rafael, Tomaz, Timur, Roman, Stuart Tickets/Topics * Find & Replace: Checkmark "Current selection only" automatically unset after repeating "find" (or "find/ replace") despite that area is still marked + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141296 + dialog should remember the option (Eike) + after f the dialog selection is lost (Ady) and searching again makes no sense (Heiko) + iterative operations are common (Bogdan) + only obvious issue is that replacing items may end in no selection and the fact that current selection depends on whether more than one cell is selected (Heiko) + remembering the option is desirable (Hossein) + MSO has no option to _ignore_ the selection; replacement is always applied to the selection if more than one cell is selected (Hossein) + makes sense to drop the option (John); option is good (Shu) + MSO does not change the current selection on replacement (Heiko) + it's kind of a convenience feature to quickly see what has been changed (Heiko) + could be made dependent on whether a selection was active before the replacement (Hossein) => comment * Confusion between "bibliography entry" and "citation" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155050 + bibliographical entry is part of the toc - and citation a more common term for the functionality (Stuart) + alternatively use "reference"? (Heiko) + compare with well-known 3rd party tools Mendeley, Zotero, Endnote (John, Hossein) + Zotero uses "Citation" and Bibliography (John), MSO Word as well (Hossein) => do rename * Pasting a table cell, pastes the source cell in the upper/actual cell as an inner table cell + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149625 + different behavior depending on the selection; same behavior for MSO Word + inserting a table into a table cell is possible too (Heiko) + wondering if this has a real use case (John), apparently it is as questions on the web indicate (Hossein) + Search for "nested tables" in BZ => resolve NAB * Remove empty rows faster in Calc (add in LO instead of extension) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151133 + common use case, integration makes sense (Rafael, Tomaz, Timur) + does it exit in Excel? (John), unclear (Heiko) => do it (for both row and column) * rename “Modify” button into "Assign" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155214 + wouldn't change (Roman) + Assign fits better (Stuart, Heiko, John) => rename * Simplified options dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90989 + simplification means essentially to create new dialogs from scratch- with a lot of effort + searching for content simplifies the workflow + improve rather than start from scratch (Hossein, John) + still think it's beneficial (John) + MSO does a worse job by some simple tabs and one large "Advanced" (Hossein) + small-size devices such as handhelds demand a smaller options dialog (John) => do it -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-May-24 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, May/24, 20:00 CEST+1 resp. 6pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Find & Replace: Checkmark "Current selection only" automatically unset after repeating "find" (or "find/ replace") despite that area is still marked + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141296 * Confusion between "bibliography entry" and "citation" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155050 * Pasting a table cell, pastes the source cell in the upper/actual cell as an inner table cell + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149625 * Remove empty rows faster in Calc (add in LO instead of extension) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151133 * rename “Modify” button into "Assign" + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155214 * Simplified options dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90989 + resolve WF in favor of a search function? All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 There will be *no meeting this week* due to a holiday. Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-May-10
Present: Cor, John, Hossein, Heiko Comments: Stephane, Stuart, Jim, Dieter, Bogdan, Gabor Tickets/Topics * MRU and SC add option to sort recent documents alphabetically + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154985 + some advanced options ooO.Common > History but not alpha sort (Stephane) + rather pining documents to the top of the MRU list (bug 38742) (Stuart, Cor) => WF, we better do the favorite/pinning thing * FLUID page number indication option: on / off + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153777 + was "Page 1-2 of 3" and has been changed for bug 90150 (Jim) + no problem with "1 and 2 of 3" (John) + OP seems to understand* the information as if the number indicates where the cursor is but it indicates the view (Cor) *) "and then, you'll .. EVERY time.." + MSO gives feedback where the cursor is; should be done somehow (Hossein) => NAB/WF * Insert caption dialog doesn't offer controlling the first number + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154896 + field numbers can be edited later but no good reason why not possible on insertion (Dieter) + You have to edit all the fields, and not a single one (Hossein) + primary workflow is to insert a caption as quick and easy as possible; also afraid of adverse effect for master documents (Heiko) + experts can do macro programming or other tricks (Hossein) => WF/NAB * New feature: set the source/scope of AutoComplete search (UI Tools > AutoInput) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155016 + add option to autocomplete not only based on current column but the whole sheet; no good reason to block (Heiko) + autocomplete in large spreadsheets is not advisable (Hossein) + makes sense, but should be optional (John) + simple workaround is to add the word list at the bottom of the needed column in the new sheet (Cor) + being afraid of performance issues (Heiko) => WF/NAB * Rename Format - Description menu item + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155044 + rename to "Accessibility Description" (Heiko, Bogdan) + dislike this and suggest "Alt Text" (Stuart) + "Alt Text" would be tech-talk (Gabor) + A description would be useful for all users who care about this (Cor) + "Alt Text" is used in MSO at the a11y sidebar (Heiko) + "Alternative Text" found at U.S. university web sites + "Alt Attribute" Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt_attribute => go with "Alt Text"; add hint for translators -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-May-04
Present: Heiko Comments: Roman, Miguel, Julien, Stephane Tickets/Topics * Impress: Master Slide deck in Sibebar should have Title, Footers and more options + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154903 + Master Elements... allows to disable the footer (and header for Notes); no need to split and make it a primary control (Heiko) => resolve WF/NAB * Pasting into a cell should make it change to edit mode + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154781 + disagree, easy to switch (Roman) + disagree, in edit mode you cannot go to another cell (Heiko) + pasting must not overwrite content (OP)- but that's the common workflow; and would be a fact for multiple cells (Heiko) => resolve WF/NAB * Add an item to the context menu of a chart object to enter text box edit mode + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141841 + suppress text edit mode (F2) for charts (Heiko) => change summary to suppress text edit mode * User dictionary: auto-learn new words + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154954 + disagree, not clear when correct (Miguel) + disagree, easy to add (Julien) + interesting idea, optional and off by default (Stephane) + rather realize per macro (Heiko) => resolve WF/NAB * Optimal width/height of merged cells + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142515 + merged cells cannot be optimized; overflow indicator needed? + no good solution, resizing first/last is odd, all an option (Eike) + OT: we should show an overflow indicator pointing downwards (Heiko) => resolve WF/NAB and create follow-up ticket -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-May-10 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, May/10, 20:00 CEST+1 resp. 6pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * MRU and SC add option to sort recent documents alphabetically + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154985 + provide an option to sort the recent documents alphabetically? * FLUID page number indication option: on / off + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153777 + Revert patch for bug 90150 making "Pages 1 and 2 of 3" back to "Page 1-2 of 3"? * Insert caption dialog doesn't offer controlling the first number + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154896 + allow changing the field number on insertion (it is possible to edit later) * New feature: set the source/scope of AutoComplete search + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155016 + add option to autocomplete not only based on current column but the whole sheet * Rename Format - Description menu item + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155044 + rename to "Accessibility Description" or "Alt Text" or something else All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Wednesday May/04, the agenda can be found here: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00069.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Apr-26
Present: Cor, Eyal, Heiko Comments: Stuart, Mike, Ady, Ilmari Tickets/Topics * Replace string is empty + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154831 + no need, WF (Stuart) + pro: common behavior, annoying to reselect, con: easy to do, danger of accidently replacing when just searching (Eyal) + last items are remembered but prefer to not auto select since destructive functions should be guarded (Cor, Heiko) => WF * The default width of Calc columns should be a bit narrower + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154788 + change the default col width? + better use a proper template (Mike) + expected length should be taken into account (Ady) + Excel too narrow, 2cm more appealing but very much personal taste (Cor) => let's run a poll on social media * "Apply border and shadow" option should be removed from AutoCaption dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154686 + unclear function, no idea what it is good for (all) + blame anyone? (Eyal)- string dates back when the UI was created from previous *.src file + just hide/drop the UI control (Heiko) + prefer to dig into the issue aka bug (Cor) + charts apparently don't get the autocaption (Heiko) => bug, needsDevAdvice * UI: "augmented reality" hovering mode (immediate display of underlying formulas etc.) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147326 + maybe as extension (Ilmari) + use case a bit unclear, but seems not to be a frequent use case (Eyal) + would be a clumsy interaction; and very slow with the tooltip delay (Heiko) + tooltip would clash with Tools > Options > Calc > View > Formula Indicator and Hint (Heiko) + wonder if View > Value Highlighting is sufficient (Cor, Eyal) => ask OP if that sufficient -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-May-04 (THU)
Hello all, the design/UX Starwars meeting *next week* is on: Thursday, May/04, 14:00 CEST resp. 12pm/noon UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Impress: Master Slide deck in Sidebar should have Title, Footers and more options + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154903 * Pasting into a cell should make it change to edit mode + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154781 * Add an item to the context menu of a chart object to enter text box edit mode + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141841 + suppress text edit mode (F2) for charts * User dictionary: auto-learn new words + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154954 + introduce a function, suggest a macro, or just as information * Optimal width/height of merged cells + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142515 + merged cells cannot be optimized; overflow indicator needed? All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is today, Wednesday Apr/26, the agenda can be found here: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00067.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Apr-20
Present: Heiko Comments: Csongor, Eyal Tickets/Topics * RULER: Improve dragging indents + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154098 + MSO has three buttons allowing all interactions (Csongor) + one more click is not crucial (Eyal) + question is whether users understand the workflow (Heiko) => let's do it if someone volunteers * UI: Add Compress image dialog to the Image properties dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154699 + no image properties on Draw/Impress (Heiko) + makes sense and allows easy fixing of other issues (Csongor) + compression is a one-way and irreversible action while any other attribute can be undone (Eyal) + compression information makes sense (Eyal) => yes to info and access button but no to execution * Autocorrect uses language-specific quotation marks for other languages + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153989 + quotes are bound to locale, ie. << in Switzerland but " in German + sounds desirable to define it with the language => go for it * Autocorrect dialog should offer starting-ending quote pairs more conveniently + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153988 + depending on the implementation above it requires a dropdown + unicode character dialog allows to search for names => NAB/WF * LanguageTool Server - GUI/UX enhancement of the settings + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154306 + improvement of UI makes sense but should be simple (Heiko) + three state might be the way to go (Eyal) => submit mockup -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Apr-12
Present: Heiko Comments: Ezinne, Miguel, Ady, Eyal, Regina, Roman Tickets/Topics * Add an option to warn when autofill overwrites existing data (turned off by default) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150739 + appreciate a warning (Ezinne) + we have an advanced option (Miguel) + we must not interrupt the workflow with a messagebox (Heiko) + potential solution in bug 154466 "Overwriting data warnings should be an undo notice, not confirm dialog (UX)" + message could interrupt too (Ady) + but the infobar doesn't (ideally disappearing after some seconds) (Heiko) => show an infobar with the option to Undo * FIELD DIALOG: Add possibility to assign character style to the field + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153537 + fields shouldn't be formatted at all (Eyal) => resolve as WF * Improvement of CALC diagrams + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147232 + uncomfortable to work with a diagram which is up to 200 x 90 cm + Export as PNG allows to change the image size / dpi (Regina) + scaling labels could be done with a chart style changing the font size from 12pt to 6pt for example, see bug 62925 or bug 90490 (Heiko) + excluding the wall to have the exact size of the (inner) diagram is possible manually but might be a valuable enhancement + however, it's not clear if this is needed so we better resolve WF => WF * Rename Presentation Styles to Drawing Style + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154492 + presentation styles are used in the master view primarily (Regina) + but changing the background color or the bullets is always possible (Heiko) + renaming might be an option but it would still be used as a style + disagree with renaming (Roman) + changing master attributes in the normal edit mode is a desired feature; it is understood as a style and changing the name wont alter workflow or design + the documentation could deserve some improvement, see https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/lo/text/simpress/01/0510.html => forward to documentation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Apr-20 (THU)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Thursday, Apr/20, 14:00 CEST resp. 12pm/noon UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * LanguageTool Server - GUI/UX enhancement of the settings + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154306 * RULER: Improve dragging indents + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154098 + decouple upper/lower ruler thumb * UI: Add Compress image dialog to the Image properties dialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154699 * LanguageTool Server - GUI/UX enhancement of the settings + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154306 * Autocorrect uses language-specific quotation marks for other languages + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153989 + quotes are bound to locale, ie. << in Switzerland but " in German * Autocorrect dialog should offer starting-ending quote pairs more conveniently + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153988 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Wednesday Mar/29, the agenda can be found here: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00052.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Apr-06
Present: Gabby, Rizal, Abdallah, Heiko Comments: Tickets/Topics * No option to select "Delete Comment" via a letter press in the context menu + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154389 + quick way to solve is to assign any mnemonic and require user to press it twice + better solution would be to improve the auto assignment algorithm to find some key + better solution (Gabby) + using the main menu would be _Sheet > Cell _Comments > _Delete Comment + the issue happens only for the context menu => fix it programmatically * Add option to use approximate/fuzzy string matching to whole of dictionary + word completion for more aggressive autocorrection + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125433 + add option "auto correct typos up to n letter" + probably not the right approach since typos mix letters like Borwser => Browser + we do not have probability for the suggestions and cannot decide if autocorrect would be appropriate => desirable function, up to developers to figure out how to do * Improve Calc's Format > Align Text menu's contents and labels + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154410 + toolbar buttons work as expected and reverting a toggle state brings back the default alignment + the menu seems to be a toggle function too but cannot untoggle + "Default" would be some kind opf radio button functionality and not the toggle on/off anymore; it opens Pandora's box for all the menus with on/off attributes => fix the menu problem but don't add a Default item * FORMATTING: "Keep aspect ratio" checkbox of images or photos not always honoured + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80281 + proportional scaling for images is enabled when using the mouse and we should do the same when working with the dialog + check "Keep ratio" in the Position & Size dialog by default for images (Gabby) => do it * Change label for .uno:InsertIndexesEntry and label and tooltip for .uno:IndexEntryDialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153847 + proposal is Insert Index Entry, and it was solved meanwhile => thanks for the work -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Apr-12 (WED)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Wednesday, Apr/12, 20:00 CEST+1 resp. 6pm UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * Improvement of CALC diagrams + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147232 * Rename Presentation Styles to Drawing Style + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154492 * Add an option to warn when autofill overwrites existing data (turned off by default) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150739 + potential solution in bug 154466 "Overwriting data warnings should be an undo notice, not confirm dialog (UX)" * FIELD DIALOG: Add possibility to assign character style to the field + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153537 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Thursday Apr/06, the agenda can be found here: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00047.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Mar-29
Present: John, Alejandro, Heiko Comments: Stuart Tickets/Topics * Customize dialog is too big to display on 1280x800 laptop screen + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154021 + resolved NOB, Gnome theme occupies white space excessively (Stuart) + reducing font size solved the problem (Vince, OP) + we might be able to reduce the number of shown items in the lists (Heiko) + we should consider to adjust the minimum required size (John) + 1280x800 is still common (Heiko) + most users are on Windows (John) + don't make it worse for the vast majority (John) => keep ticket in WF/NAB state * Clone format of unmerged cells breaks up merging, applies to first unmerged cell only + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153899 + merging cells with the keep option does exactly this, we must not format hidden cells + copying/cloning merged cells takes merge state into account, however, applying a format via cell style, which is the supposed workflow does not + cloning the merged state is a convenience feature => WF/NAB * Comment indicator is too small, non-circumspect, easy to miss + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154080 + indicators have changed recently and are easy to spot at 100% but still somewhat harder at 200% + indicators can be controlled by TOCV > Text Overflow resp. Comment indicator + keeping the UI and the interaction simple is the best, meaning no flashing for example + changing the comment color is interesting + corner case, hard to believe it's needed by many => move checkboxes and colors for text overflow and comment indicator into application color (easy hack w. medium to interesting difficulty) * Insert Caption and Caption Options dialogs have a mix of settings affecting the whole category or only current caption + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153248 + excellent mockup in bug 148597 comment 20 + seems to be powerful, and makes it more consistent (John) + useful for power users (John) => interesting GSoC project -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Apr-06 (THU)
Hello all, the design/UX meeting *next week* is on: Thursday, Apr/06, 14:00 CEST resp. 12pm/noon UTC at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design Here is the agenda: * No option to select "Delete Comment" via a letter press in the context menu + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154389 + remove _all_ accelerators from UNO commands? * Add option to use approximate/fuzzy string matching to whole of dictionary + word completion for more aggressive autocorrection + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125433 + add option "auto correct typos up to n letter" * Improve Calc's Format > Align Text menu's contents and labels + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154410 + add Default to Left/Right... alignment? * FORMATTING: "Keep aspect ratio" checkbox of images or photos not always honoured + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80281 + check aspect ration by default for images? * Change label for .uno:InsertIndexesEntry and label and tooltip for .uno:IndexEntryDialog + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153847 All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=meeting=run_id=32942 The meeting *this week* is on Wednesday Mar/29, the agenda can be found here: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2023/msg00032.html Cheers, Heiko -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
