Re: [libreoffice-design] Friday's Insert Chart Design Session
@Jay The idea for the sidebar is likely that when you select a chart OLE, that the sidebar would have a 'chart' section in the properties tab where you would be able to modify various aspects of the chart without having to go into chart edit mode. Not sure how viable this from a programming standpoint though. Sorry to bother, but well, is there also the possibility that somebody could develop a sidebar for the Chart app in the edit mode? (It could have all items including styles... no only chart styles but line and fill styles for the series. Also for shapes drawn inside the chart: text boxes, lines, arrows, etc.) Regards, Francisco -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Friday's Insert Chart Design Session
Hi Francisco, Sorry to bother, but well, is there also the possibility that somebody could develop a sidebar for the Chart app in the edit mode? Well if there is no means of manipulating a chart outside of being in edit mode, then having a sidebar in the chart app would be the only other choice to provide easy access to modify the chart. Regards, Jay -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Friday's Insert Chart Design Session
Hi Regina, Thanks for the info, though the scope of what were are targeting is of inserting a chart into a document by means of the uno command and not copying and pasting a chart from one place to the other. Thanks for pointing out that the wizard does come up in writer if the uno command is run within a table. The idea for the sidebar is likely that when you select a chart OLE, that the sidebar would have a 'chart' section in the properties tab where you would be able to modify various aspects of the chart without having to go into chart edit mode. Not sure how viable this from a programming standpoint though. Regards, Jay On 04/06/2015 05:58 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Heiko, Heiko Tietze schrieb: Hi Regina, thanks a lot for your reply. Of course, Writer and Calc are just examples for having the chart data included or not. However, Jay and me wonder how to get internal data in Calc working. Copy a chart from one spreadsheet document to another, or from a Writer document as LibreOffice Writer document, or copy a chart which is already of kind own data to the sheet. [BTW, in AOO you will even create a kind own data when copying within the same spreadsheet document.] I guess your are talking from a programmer POV and the data is always stored with the chart. So Calc is the exception. It is more a view of ODF file format. The own data exists always as a table:table element. But if the chart is linked to a cell range some additional informations exist. About the sidebar the idea was to have access to chart data not the OLE object. How will you get access to chart data? You have not even access to the uno-commands specific for charts, when the chart is not in edit mode. And when the chart is in edit mode, you have no sidebar. But I'm not sure if this direct access really needs to be available. On the other hand the properties sidebar section that we have right now would be a nice means to tweak chart content instead of the multitude of dialogs. Just to start with one of them ;-). Now I wonder, what you will do. Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Friday's Insert Chart Design Session
Hi Regina, thanks a lot for your reply. Of course, Writer and Calc are just examples for having the chart data included or not. However, Jay and me wonder how to get internal data in Calc working. I guess your are talking from a programmer POV and the data is always stored with the chart. So Calc is the exception. About the sidebar the idea was to have access to chart data not the OLE object. But I'm not sure if this direct access really needs to be available. On the other hand the properties sidebar section that we have right now would be a nice means to tweak chart content instead of the multitude of dialogs. Just to start with one of them ;-). Cheers, Heiko. On Sunday 05 April 2015, 01:36:33 Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Jay, Jay Philips schrieb: Hi All, Last friday we had a design session where we began working on reworking how inserting a chart will be implemented. The session was productive but unfortunately we (Heiko, Steve, and I) werent able to complete it and so this friday we hope to do so. It would be nice for individuals with knowledge of the chart wizard to provide their feedback in the google doc and it would be highly appreciate if you could also join us in the next session. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z1IBeqKnscoODgFDNm81iDnwkzxce92sEsYuMg gnTDQ/edit?usp=sharing The distinction between chart in Writer and chart in Calc is not accurate. Instead, the point is, whether the chart has its own data or whether data is linked to a table. You can have a chart with its own data in Calc and a chart with data linked to a table in Writer. It is not so easy to get chart properties into the sidebar, because the chart module has no sidebar yet. Do not forget, that a chart is a distinct office document and is inserted into the other documents as OLE. So you have to distinguish between the properties as OLE object and the internal properties of the chart. Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Friday's Insert Chart Design Session
Hi Heiko, Heiko Tietze schrieb: Hi Regina, thanks a lot for your reply. Of course, Writer and Calc are just examples for having the chart data included or not. However, Jay and me wonder how to get internal data in Calc working. Copy a chart from one spreadsheet document to another, or from a Writer document as LibreOffice Writer document, or copy a chart which is already of kind own data to the sheet. [BTW, in AOO you will even create a kind own data when copying within the same spreadsheet document.] I guess your are talking from a programmer POV and the data is always stored with the chart. So Calc is the exception. It is more a view of ODF file format. The own data exists always as a table:table element. But if the chart is linked to a cell range some additional informations exist. About the sidebar the idea was to have access to chart data not the OLE object. How will you get access to chart data? You have not even access to the uno-commands specific for charts, when the chart is not in edit mode. And when the chart is in edit mode, you have no sidebar. But I'm not sure if this direct access really needs to be available. On the other hand the properties sidebar section that we have right now would be a nice means to tweak chart content instead of the multitude of dialogs. Just to start with one of them ;-). Now I wonder, what you will do. Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Friday's Insert Chart Design Session
Hi All, Last friday we had a design session where we began working on reworking how inserting a chart will be implemented. The session was productive but unfortunately we (Heiko, Steve, and I) werent able to complete it and so this friday we hope to do so. It would be nice for individuals with knowledge of the chart wizard to provide their feedback in the google doc and it would be highly appreciate if you could also join us in the next session. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z1IBeqKnscoODgFDNm81iDnwkzxce92sEsYuMggnTDQ/edit?usp=sharing -- Regards, Jay -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Friday's Insert Chart Design Session
Hi Jay, Jay Philips schrieb: Hi All, Last friday we had a design session where we began working on reworking how inserting a chart will be implemented. The session was productive but unfortunately we (Heiko, Steve, and I) werent able to complete it and so this friday we hope to do so. It would be nice for individuals with knowledge of the chart wizard to provide their feedback in the google doc and it would be highly appreciate if you could also join us in the next session. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z1IBeqKnscoODgFDNm81iDnwkzxce92sEsYuMggnTDQ/edit?usp=sharing The distinction between chart in Writer and chart in Calc is not accurate. Instead, the point is, whether the chart has its own data or whether data is linked to a table. You can have a chart with its own data in Calc and a chart with data linked to a table in Writer. It is not so easy to get chart properties into the sidebar, because the chart module has no sidebar yet. Do not forget, that a chart is a distinct office document and is inserted into the other documents as OLE. So you have to distinguish between the properties as OLE object and the internal properties of the chart. Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
