Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar out of Experimental
Le 06/11/2018 à 08:43, kainz.a a écrit : I talked at Munich Hackfest about the big open bugs - bad keyboard navigation you can use F6 like in every other LibO app (F6 switch from Menubar to Toolbar to NB to Sidebar), but it would be awesome if svtlo-ManagedMenuButton will support keyboard shortcut focus if menubar is hidden and also sfxlo-NotebookbarToolBox widgets which was used to add the different uno commands didn't work with F6 -> tab I hope to get some patches to fix this issue, you are welcome to help. From my personal point of view of visual-impaired user that mainly uses keyboard if Notebookbar doesn't became the default layout on LibreOffice it's not an issue for me to see them outside of experimental. Indeed, the keyboard navigation issues should be fixed and reported if it's not the case. Unfortunately, I don't think I'll have the time to deal with them. As I know V Stuart has looked and follow LibreOffice Notebookbar and accessibility issues. Thanks all for the involvement to make LibreOffice a better software everyday. Best regards, Alex. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar out of Experimental
I can reinstall the VM but it was atrociously slow. I don't have a Mac myself. Maybe an event to do bug hunting in MacOS could be organized and advertised? Na(o) seg, 12/11/2018, 14:41, Michael Meeks escreveu: > Hi there, > > On 09/11/2018 11:58, Edoardo Maria Elidoro wrote: > > I do agree to move the Notebookbar out of experimental. > > The latest updates on the Tabbed Toolbar in the master branch improved > both > > the usability and the look & feel making it (in my opinion) a really > useful > > and nice feature to have. > > > > I don't see a single reason why we should keep it in experimental. > > IIRC the ESC agreed to have the option to enable it appear by > default > at least in the run up to 6.2 to encourage more people to play with and > (hopefully) debug the functionality. > > Hopefully it will be in a good enough state for 6.2 final - but > there > is no real magic way to make developers come & get involved and fix the > shortcomings short of encouraging them when they show up, and > evangelizing to / mentoring them. > > Il giorno mar 6 nov 2018 alle ore 17:50 Pedro Rosmaninho < > > mota.pr...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > > > >> - As for MacOS glitches, I tried it on a MacOS VM and the issues are > minor > >> aesthetic issues that do not impact its functionality. In fact, there > are > >> far more serious glitches in LO on MacOS not related with the > notebookbar > >> that warrant more attention. > > Would be interested in a tracker bug for those; I'm interested in a > good, ordered list of the nastiest Mac bugs to fix. > > Thanks ! > > Michael. > > -- > michael.me...@collabora.com <><, GM Collabora Productivity > Hangout: mejme...@gmail.com, Skype: mmeeks > (M) +44 7795 666 147 - timezone usually UK / Europe > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar out of Experimental
Hi there, On 09/11/2018 11:58, Edoardo Maria Elidoro wrote: > I do agree to move the Notebookbar out of experimental. > The latest updates on the Tabbed Toolbar in the master branch improved both > the usability and the look & feel making it (in my opinion) a really useful > and nice feature to have. > > I don't see a single reason why we should keep it in experimental. IIRC the ESC agreed to have the option to enable it appear by default at least in the run up to 6.2 to encourage more people to play with and (hopefully) debug the functionality. Hopefully it will be in a good enough state for 6.2 final - but there is no real magic way to make developers come & get involved and fix the shortcomings short of encouraging them when they show up, and evangelizing to / mentoring them. > Il giorno mar 6 nov 2018 alle ore 17:50 Pedro Rosmaninho < > mota.pr...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > >> - As for MacOS glitches, I tried it on a MacOS VM and the issues are minor >> aesthetic issues that do not impact its functionality. In fact, there are >> far more serious glitches in LO on MacOS not related with the notebookbar >> that warrant more attention. Would be interested in a tracker bug for those; I'm interested in a good, ordered list of the nastiest Mac bugs to fix. Thanks ! Michael. -- michael.me...@collabora.com <><, GM Collabora Productivity Hangout: mejme...@gmail.com, Skype: mmeeks (M) +44 7795 666 147 - timezone usually UK / Europe -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar out of Experimental
I do agree to move the Notebookbar out of experimental. The latest updates on the Tabbed Toolbar in the master branch improved both the usability and the look & feel making it (in my opinion) a really useful and nice feature to have. I don't see a single reason why we should keep it in experimental. Il giorno mar 6 nov 2018 alle ore 17:50 Pedro Rosmaninho < mota.pr...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > Just as a side note. I've been using the Tabbedbar in 6.1 Fresh release > daily in my work on Windows 10. > None of those open issues are something that affect the functionality of > the Tabbed bar in daily use. > > - The chart editing toolbar issue is expecially annoying but it is also > something that happens with the Standard Toolbars, since performing chart > editing also replace the Standard Toolbar by the Cart Editing toolbar. If > anything the Tabbedbar is *superior* in that regard because it remains > visible when the chart editing toolbar is present. > > - As for MacOS glitches, I tried it on a MacOS VM and the issues are minor > aesthetic issues that do not impact its functionality. In fact, there are > far more serious glitches in LO on MacOS not related with the notebookbar > that warrant more attention. > > So please lets move the Notebookbar out of experimental. The Groupedbars > and Tabbedbars are in great shape. > > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 4:43 PM Pedro Rosmaninho > wrote: > > > Please, this would be amazing. > > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 7:42 AM kainz.a wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I know the notebookbar implementation has bugs but it's under > development > >> since around 4 years and on each release the news pages wrote about this > >> experimental feature. > >> > >> I talked at Munich Hackfest about the big open bugs > >> - bad keyboard navigation > >> you can use F6 like in every other LibO app (F6 switch from Menubar to > >> Toolbar to NB to Sidebar), but it would be awesome if > >> svtlo-ManagedMenuButton will support keyboard shortcut focus if menubar > is > >> hidden and also sfxlo-NotebookbarToolBox widgets which was used to add > the > >> different uno commands didn't work with F6 -> tab > >> I hope to get some patches to fix this issue, you are welcome to help. > >> > >> - chart didn't support NB > >> the chart bug (if you open an chart in writer you see the notebookbar > and > >> the toolbar) can be fixed by add an NB to chart module (which I can do) > >> and > >> use this NB instead of the chart toolbar. But there is no progress in > this > >> change cause chart if different from other modules. > >> > >> - OS-X glitches > >> on OS-X there are several UI issues. I don't have an Mac so I can't say > to > >> much. > >> > >> The biggest issue is that there is NO developer working on the NB stuff. > >> We > >> talk each release to bring NB out of experimental. As there is no real > >> progress (excluding the ui files) I recommend to bring some > >> implementations > >> (tabbed, groupedbar) ouf of experimental for 6.2. Than we get more user > >> feedback and maybe some new developers. > >> > >> cheers > >> Andreas_K > >> > >> -- > >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > >> Problems? > >> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > >> Posting guidelines + more: > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > >> List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > >> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > >> > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar out of Experimental
Just as a side note. I've been using the Tabbedbar in 6.1 Fresh release daily in my work on Windows 10. None of those open issues are something that affect the functionality of the Tabbed bar in daily use. - The chart editing toolbar issue is expecially annoying but it is also something that happens with the Standard Toolbars, since performing chart editing also replace the Standard Toolbar by the Cart Editing toolbar. If anything the Tabbedbar is *superior* in that regard because it remains visible when the chart editing toolbar is present. - As for MacOS glitches, I tried it on a MacOS VM and the issues are minor aesthetic issues that do not impact its functionality. In fact, there are far more serious glitches in LO on MacOS not related with the notebookbar that warrant more attention. So please lets move the Notebookbar out of experimental. The Groupedbars and Tabbedbars are in great shape. On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 4:43 PM Pedro Rosmaninho wrote: > Please, this would be amazing. > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 7:42 AM kainz.a wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I know the notebookbar implementation has bugs but it's under development >> since around 4 years and on each release the news pages wrote about this >> experimental feature. >> >> I talked at Munich Hackfest about the big open bugs >> - bad keyboard navigation >> you can use F6 like in every other LibO app (F6 switch from Menubar to >> Toolbar to NB to Sidebar), but it would be awesome if >> svtlo-ManagedMenuButton will support keyboard shortcut focus if menubar is >> hidden and also sfxlo-NotebookbarToolBox widgets which was used to add the >> different uno commands didn't work with F6 -> tab >> I hope to get some patches to fix this issue, you are welcome to help. >> >> - chart didn't support NB >> the chart bug (if you open an chart in writer you see the notebookbar and >> the toolbar) can be fixed by add an NB to chart module (which I can do) >> and >> use this NB instead of the chart toolbar. But there is no progress in this >> change cause chart if different from other modules. >> >> - OS-X glitches >> on OS-X there are several UI issues. I don't have an Mac so I can't say to >> much. >> >> The biggest issue is that there is NO developer working on the NB stuff. >> We >> talk each release to bring NB out of experimental. As there is no real >> progress (excluding the ui files) I recommend to bring some >> implementations >> (tabbed, groupedbar) ouf of experimental for 6.2. Than we get more user >> feedback and maybe some new developers. >> >> cheers >> Andreas_K >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ >> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy >> > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar out of Experimental
Please, this would be amazing. On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 7:42 AM kainz.a wrote: > Hi, > > I know the notebookbar implementation has bugs but it's under development > since around 4 years and on each release the news pages wrote about this > experimental feature. > > I talked at Munich Hackfest about the big open bugs > - bad keyboard navigation > you can use F6 like in every other LibO app (F6 switch from Menubar to > Toolbar to NB to Sidebar), but it would be awesome if > svtlo-ManagedMenuButton will support keyboard shortcut focus if menubar is > hidden and also sfxlo-NotebookbarToolBox widgets which was used to add the > different uno commands didn't work with F6 -> tab > I hope to get some patches to fix this issue, you are welcome to help. > > - chart didn't support NB > the chart bug (if you open an chart in writer you see the notebookbar and > the toolbar) can be fixed by add an NB to chart module (which I can do) and > use this NB instead of the chart toolbar. But there is no progress in this > change cause chart if different from other modules. > > - OS-X glitches > on OS-X there are several UI issues. I don't have an Mac so I can't say to > much. > > The biggest issue is that there is NO developer working on the NB stuff. We > talk each release to bring NB out of experimental. As there is no real > progress (excluding the ui files) I recommend to bring some implementations > (tabbed, groupedbar) ouf of experimental for 6.2. Than we get more user > feedback and maybe some new developers. > > cheers > Andreas_K > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Notebookbar out of Experimental
Hi, I know the notebookbar implementation has bugs but it's under development since around 4 years and on each release the news pages wrote about this experimental feature. I talked at Munich Hackfest about the big open bugs - bad keyboard navigation you can use F6 like in every other LibO app (F6 switch from Menubar to Toolbar to NB to Sidebar), but it would be awesome if svtlo-ManagedMenuButton will support keyboard shortcut focus if menubar is hidden and also sfxlo-NotebookbarToolBox widgets which was used to add the different uno commands didn't work with F6 -> tab I hope to get some patches to fix this issue, you are welcome to help. - chart didn't support NB the chart bug (if you open an chart in writer you see the notebookbar and the toolbar) can be fixed by add an NB to chart module (which I can do) and use this NB instead of the chart toolbar. But there is no progress in this change cause chart if different from other modules. - OS-X glitches on OS-X there are several UI issues. I don't have an Mac so I can't say to much. The biggest issue is that there is NO developer working on the NB stuff. We talk each release to bring NB out of experimental. As there is no real progress (excluding the ui files) I recommend to bring some implementations (tabbed, groupedbar) ouf of experimental for 6.2. Than we get more user feedback and maybe some new developers. cheers Andreas_K -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
