Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[infinitytec]

Good to hear!


Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not understand 
it.-A variation on Clarke's Third Law
 Original message From: Pedro Rosmaninho  
Date: 9/13/18  8:47 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: "kainz.a"  Cc: 
riz_17_...@yahoo.co.id, Joe Brazell , Cor Nouws 
, Mike Saunders , 
design@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: 
[libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1 
It appears Kshitij Pathania will try to keep working on the Notebookbar. We 
should keep incentivizing him so that he won't fade away. 

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 12:13 PM kainz.a  wrote:


Is it possible if someone implement first time wizard to choose interface?

Or maybe at least an slideshow to the installer. 



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Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[Pedro Rosmaninho]

It appears Kshitij Pathania will try to keep working on the Notebookbar. We
should keep incentivizing him so that he won't fade away.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 12:13 PM kainz.a  wrote:

>
> Is it possible if someone implement first time wizard to choose interface?
>>
>
> Or maybe at least an slideshow to the installer.
>

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Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[kainz.a]

> Is it possible if someone implement first time wizard to choose interface?
>

Or maybe at least an slideshow to the installer.

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Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[Rizal Muttaqin]

The NB keyboard shortcut is very important for accessibility. It one of 
a big blocker for user.


Is it possible if someone implement first time wizard to choose interface?

On 9/13/18 3:52 PM, kainz.a wrote:

Pedro, I'm always open for improvements

best would be to fill a bug report and I can do the ui changes.

Am Do., 13. Sep. 2018 um 10:42 Uhr schrieb Pedro Rosmaninho <
mota.pr...@gmail.com>:


There are some things on the layout that need to be improved and do not
require a dev. Some things that can be done with Glade. :)

As for having a dev to work on bugfixing I completely agree with you.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 9:35 AM kainz.a  wrote:


As long as there is no developer how will do bugfixing for at least 2
releases we don't have to talk about change defaults.

Maybe we can show an startup configuration dialogue or like ubuntu did
show how to change to another layout.



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Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[kainz.a]

Pedro, I'm always open for improvements

best would be to fill a bug report and I can do the ui changes.

Am Do., 13. Sep. 2018 um 10:42 Uhr schrieb Pedro Rosmaninho <
mota.pr...@gmail.com>:

> There are some things on the layout that need to be improved and do not
> require a dev. Some things that can be done with Glade. :)
>
> As for having a dev to work on bugfixing I completely agree with you.
>
> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 9:35 AM kainz.a  wrote:
>
>> As long as there is no developer how will do bugfixing for at least 2
>> releases we don't have to talk about change defaults.
>>
>> Maybe we can show an startup configuration dialogue or like ubuntu did
>> show how to change to another layout.
>>
>

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Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[Pedro Rosmaninho]

There are some things on the layout that need to be improved and do not
require a dev. Some things that can be done with Glade. :)

As for having a dev to work on bugfixing I completely agree with you.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 9:35 AM kainz.a  wrote:

> As long as there is no developer how will do bugfixing for at least 2
> releases we don't have to talk about change defaults.
>
> Maybe we can show an startup configuration dialogue or like ubuntu did
> show how to change to another layout.
>

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Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[kainz.a]

As long as there is no developer how will do bugfixing for at least 2
releases we don't have to talk about change defaults.

Maybe we can show an startup configuration dialogue or like ubuntu did show
how to change to another layout.

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Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[Pedro Rosmaninho]

And I would love to see the tabbed bar as the default in Windows... I think
most skepticism against a Ribbon UI comes from Linux LO users so for those
I would retain the classic toolbar.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 9:22 AM Pedro Rosmaninho 
wrote:

> We have to see if Kshitij has any interest in finishing the polishing of
> the Tabbed bar. And what about Szymon Klos, Andreas? Would he be available?
>
> As for the tabbed bar, there's still some improvements that I would like
> to suggest in the general layout. Minor things.
> And the other day I found a toolbar that was activated in the tabbed bar
> that shouldn't be active.
> And yes, chart editing is the big block right now.
>
> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 5:43 AM kainz.a  wrote:
>
>> Hi Cor
>>
>> There are two bugs that should be fixed first.
>>
>> 1. Keyboard navigation didn't work well
>> 2. Chart module don't respect NB. Add an chart to writer and see the
>> issue.
>>
>> but the main issue is, there is NO developer how will fix bugs when nb is
>> out of experimental. This has to be fixed first. If there is one dev how
>> care about upcoming bugs than nb can be out of experimental and than I be
>> motivated to finish the nb work, cause there is some work missing like nb
>> for draw.
>>
>> If you find a developer, let me know, than it would be a pleasure for me
>> to
>> work with her/him. It would be the right time to start now for 6.2
>>
>> Cheers
>> Andreas_k
>>
>> infinitytec  schrieb am Do., 13. Sep. 2018,
>> 00:23:
>>
>> > I agree.
>> > I have been really enjoying the polish that the tabbed Notebookbar has
>> in
>> > 6.1.
>> >
>> > Dare I even say it may be a good idea to have the tabbed notebookbar as
>> > default on Windows builds? It would better integrate with the system,
>> like
>> > Colibre.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not
>> > understand it.*
>> > *-A variation on Clarke's Third Law*
>> >
>> > -------- Original message 
>> > From: Cor Nouws 
>> > Date: 9/12/18 3:57 PM (GMT-06:00)
>> > To: "kainz.a" , Mike Saunders <
>> > mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org>
>> > Cc: design@global.libreoffice.org
>> > Subject: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design]
>> > Notebookbar   status for LibreOffice 6.1
>> >
>> > Hi Andreas, all,
>> >
>> > kainz.a wrote on 30-05-18 10:02:
>> >
>> > > Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's are ready. I already update the UI so that
>> > they
>> > > can be "released". Groupedbar and Tabbedbar has a full and a compact
>> > view.
>> > > ...
>> >
>> > As far as I've seen, all is still under experimental in master 6.2
>> >
>> > It would support testing / visibility to already change that now.
>> > What do you think?
>> >
>> > --
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Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[Pedro Rosmaninho]

We have to see if Kshitij has any interest in finishing the polishing of
the Tabbed bar. And what about Szymon Klos, Andreas? Would he be available?

As for the tabbed bar, there's still some improvements that I would like to
suggest in the general layout. Minor things.
And the other day I found a toolbar that was activated in the tabbed bar
that shouldn't be active.
And yes, chart editing is the big block right now.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 5:43 AM kainz.a  wrote:

> Hi Cor
>
> There are two bugs that should be fixed first.
>
> 1. Keyboard navigation didn't work well
> 2. Chart module don't respect NB. Add an chart to writer and see the issue.
>
> but the main issue is, there is NO developer how will fix bugs when nb is
> out of experimental. This has to be fixed first. If there is one dev how
> care about upcoming bugs than nb can be out of experimental and than I be
> motivated to finish the nb work, cause there is some work missing like nb
> for draw.
>
> If you find a developer, let me know, than it would be a pleasure for me to
> work with her/him. It would be the right time to start now for 6.2
>
> Cheers
> Andreas_k
>
> infinitytec  schrieb am Do., 13. Sep. 2018, 00:23:
>
> > I agree.
> > I have been really enjoying the polish that the tabbed Notebookbar has in
> > 6.1.
> >
> > Dare I even say it may be a good idea to have the tabbed notebookbar as
> > default on Windows builds? It would better integrate with the system,
> like
> > Colibre.
> >
> >
> >
> > *Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not
> > understand it.*
> > *-A variation on Clarke's Third Law*
> >
> >  Original message 
> > From: Cor Nouws 
> > Date: 9/12/18 3:57 PM (GMT-06:00)
> > To: "kainz.a" , Mike Saunders <
> > mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org>
> > Cc: design@global.libreoffice.org
> > Subject: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design]
> > Notebookbar   status for LibreOffice 6.1
> >
> > Hi Andreas, all,
> >
> > kainz.a wrote on 30-05-18 10:02:
> >
> > > Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's are ready. I already update the UI so that
> > they
> > > can be "released". Groupedbar and Tabbedbar has a full and a compact
> > view.
> > > ...
> >
> > As far as I've seen, all is still under experimental in master 6.2
> >
> > It would support testing / visibility to already change that now.
> > What do you think?
> >
> > --
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> > GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28  A038 E49D 7365 B134
> 80A6
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Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[kainz.a]

Hi Cor

There are two bugs that should be fixed first.

1. Keyboard navigation didn't work well
2. Chart module don't respect NB. Add an chart to writer and see the issue.

but the main issue is, there is NO developer how will fix bugs when nb is
out of experimental. This has to be fixed first. If there is one dev how
care about upcoming bugs than nb can be out of experimental and than I be
motivated to finish the nb work, cause there is some work missing like nb
for draw.

If you find a developer, let me know, than it would be a pleasure for me to
work with her/him. It would be the right time to start now for 6.2

Cheers
Andreas_k

infinitytec  schrieb am Do., 13. Sep. 2018, 00:23:

> I agree.
> I have been really enjoying the polish that the tabbed Notebookbar has in
> 6.1.
>
> Dare I even say it may be a good idea to have the tabbed notebookbar as
> default on Windows builds? It would better integrate with the system, like
> Colibre.
>
>
>
> *Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not
> understand it.*
> *-A variation on Clarke's Third Law*
>
>  Original message 
> From: Cor Nouws 
> Date: 9/12/18 3:57 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: "kainz.a" , Mike Saunders <
> mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org>
> Cc: design@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design]
> Notebookbar   status for LibreOffice 6.1
>
> Hi Andreas, all,
>
> kainz.a wrote on 30-05-18 10:02:
>
> > Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's are ready. I already update the UI so that
> they
> > can be "released". Groupedbar and Tabbedbar has a full and a compact
> view.
> > ...
>
> As far as I've seen, all is still under experimental in master 6.2
>
> It would support testing / visibility to already change that now.
> What do you think?
>
> --
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Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Andreas, all,

kainz.a wrote on 30-05-18 10:02:

> Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's are ready. I already update the UI so that they
> can be "released". Groupedbar and Tabbedbar has a full and a compact view.
> ...

As far as I've seen, all is still under experimental in master 6.2

It would support testing / visibility to already change that now.
What do you think?

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[Pedro Rosmaninho]

Andreas, tomorrow and Friday I'll have some time so I'll provide you with
mockups to finish the really necessary work that we can do.

Since this is an UI issue, I believe that it can still be pushed on time
for 6.1, considering that feature freeze shouldn't affect some UI work,
correct?
As for the lack of devs: if we push this and users start issuing bug
reports, dev interest will also appear.

The deactivation of the toolbars should be done by someone with knowledge
to do that. Szymon Klos mentioned that he tried to do it but he didn't
manage to do it (if he's here maybe he can clear this, I'm recalling this
from memory so I might be saying something wrong).
Szymon Klos said in the Notebookbar Telegram channel that he was hoping
Ksithij Pathania would fix major issues. But I don't want to be
presumptuous to assume who will/should fix what.

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 11:34 AM kainz.a  wrote:

> Nr. 1 and 2 can I fix as fare as I know isn't it. So can you make a mockup
> Pedro and let's fix it.
>
> Excluding that the issue is that there is no dev available to do
> bugfixing. Hope the GSOC student can fix something but since now the output
> isn't high.
>
> Another question is, should we announce an feature where no dev is working
> on it?
>
> Cheers
> Andreas
>
> 2018-05-30 12:15 GMT+02:00 Pedro Rosmaninho :
>
>> There's very few blocker bugs frankly.
>> The main ones are:
>> 1 - Media (Audio and Video) toolbar still doesn't have a Tabbedbar and
>> Groupedbar eequivalent,
>> 2 - Chart editing toolbar also doesn't have a Tabbedbar and Groupedbar
>> equivalent (the commands that can be added to the Object editing
>> Tabbedbar/Groupedbar are mentioned here
>> )
>> 3 - After finishing those two issues, toolbars should be deactivated for
>> the Notebookbar so that they don't open below the Notebookbar UI -
>> inconsistent behaviour).
>>
>> Excluding that it's just minor issues that can quickly be solved.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 9:02 AM kainz.a  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's are ready. I already update the UI so that
>>> they
>>> can be "released". Groupedbar and Tabbedbar has a full and a compact
>>> view.
>>>
>>> Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's were tested with Colibre icon theme. All
>>> actions
>>> has an Icon, Icon + Label or Label only.
>>>
>>> For switch between different User Interfaces there is a Menu button on
>>> the
>>> top right. Tabbedbar has in addition on the top left an show menubar
>>> icon.
>>>
>>> Contextual Groups (called Heikobar) and Contextual Single didn't get an
>>> update.
>>> - Contextual Single should be removed from the build cause it's only an
>>> design study where many stuff is missing.
>>> - Contextual Groups need an update or should be turned off until it will
>>> be
>>> updated, cause if the menubar is turned off you can't switch the UI (you
>>> have to delate your profile or whatever). The problem is that it's the
>>> first in the list.
>>>
>>> Design wise Notebookbar waiting for testers. The problem is, that there
>>> are
>>> open bugs so the developers can't move the feature out of experimental.
>>>
>>> In a movie I would show the different idea behind tabbedbar (where your
>>> content is grouped in tabbs) and groupedbars (where all "main" content is
>>> always available and the rest in the drop dowm group label.
>>>
>>> User feedback is really needed!
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Andreas_K
>>>
>>> 2018-05-30 9:41 GMT+02:00 Mike Saunders <
>>> mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org>:
>>>
>>> > Hello!
>>> >
>>> > So the release of LibreOffice 6.1 is still a couple of months away, but
>>> > we in the marketing community are starting to plan the release
>>> > announcement, videos and other materials.
>>> >
>>> > How is the Notebookbar looking? I assume it'll still be experimental in
>>> > 6.1? I recall someone (Andreas?) saying that one of the Notebookbar
>>> > variants is getting close to completion, however, so we could mention
>>> > that in the press release / video.
>>> >
>>> > Indeed, I could make a separate video showing how to try it. The two
>>> > things to bear in mind are:
>>> >
>>> > 1) It must be easy to revert to the "normal" layout
>>> > 2) If there are many different Notebookbar variants in the experimental
>>> > mode, we need to be careful that users don't accidentally enable the
>>> > wrong one, and complain...
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > Mike
>>> >
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[kainz.a]

Nr. 1 and 2 can I fix as fare as I know isn't it. So can you make a mockup
Pedro and let's fix it.

Excluding that the issue is that there is no dev available to do bugfixing.
Hope the GSOC student can fix something but since now the output isn't high.

Another question is, should we announce an feature where no dev is working
on it?

Cheers
Andreas

2018-05-30 12:15 GMT+02:00 Pedro Rosmaninho :

> There's very few blocker bugs frankly.
> The main ones are:
> 1 - Media (Audio and Video) toolbar still doesn't have a Tabbedbar and
> Groupedbar eequivalent,
> 2 - Chart editing toolbar also doesn't have a Tabbedbar and Groupedbar
> equivalent (the commands that can be added to the Object editing
> Tabbedbar/Groupedbar are mentioned here
> )
> 3 - After finishing those two issues, toolbars should be deactivated for
> the Notebookbar so that they don't open below the Notebookbar UI -
> inconsistent behaviour).
>
> Excluding that it's just minor issues that can quickly be solved.
>
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 9:02 AM kainz.a  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's are ready. I already update the UI so that they
>> can be "released". Groupedbar and Tabbedbar has a full and a compact view.
>>
>> Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's were tested with Colibre icon theme. All
>> actions
>> has an Icon, Icon + Label or Label only.
>>
>> For switch between different User Interfaces there is a Menu button on the
>> top right. Tabbedbar has in addition on the top left an show menubar icon.
>>
>> Contextual Groups (called Heikobar) and Contextual Single didn't get an
>> update.
>> - Contextual Single should be removed from the build cause it's only an
>> design study where many stuff is missing.
>> - Contextual Groups need an update or should be turned off until it will
>> be
>> updated, cause if the menubar is turned off you can't switch the UI (you
>> have to delate your profile or whatever). The problem is that it's the
>> first in the list.
>>
>> Design wise Notebookbar waiting for testers. The problem is, that there
>> are
>> open bugs so the developers can't move the feature out of experimental.
>>
>> In a movie I would show the different idea behind tabbedbar (where your
>> content is grouped in tabbs) and groupedbars (where all "main" content is
>> always available and the rest in the drop dowm group label.
>>
>> User feedback is really needed!
>>
>> Cheers
>> Andreas_K
>>
>> 2018-05-30 9:41 GMT+02:00 Mike Saunders <
>> mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org>:
>>
>> > Hello!
>> >
>> > So the release of LibreOffice 6.1 is still a couple of months away, but
>> > we in the marketing community are starting to plan the release
>> > announcement, videos and other materials.
>> >
>> > How is the Notebookbar looking? I assume it'll still be experimental in
>> > 6.1? I recall someone (Andreas?) saying that one of the Notebookbar
>> > variants is getting close to completion, however, so we could mention
>> > that in the press release / video.
>> >
>> > Indeed, I could make a separate video showing how to try it. The two
>> > things to bear in mind are:
>> >
>> > 1) It must be easy to revert to the "normal" layout
>> > 2) If there are many different Notebookbar variants in the experimental
>> > mode, we need to be careful that users don't accidentally enable the
>> > wrong one, and complain...
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > --
>> > Mike Saunders, Marketing & PR
>> > The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE
>> 
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[Pedro Rosmaninho]

There's very few blocker bugs frankly.
The main ones are:
1 - Media (Audio and Video) toolbar still doesn't have a Tabbedbar and
Groupedbar eequivalent,
2 - Chart editing toolbar also doesn't have a Tabbedbar and Groupedbar
equivalent (the commands that can be added to the Object editing
Tabbedbar/Groupedbar are mentioned here
)
3 - After finishing those two issues, toolbars should be deactivated for
the Notebookbar so that they don't open below the Notebookbar UI -
inconsistent behaviour).

Excluding that it's just minor issues that can quickly be solved.


On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 9:02 AM kainz.a  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's are ready. I already update the UI so that they
> can be "released". Groupedbar and Tabbedbar has a full and a compact view.
>
> Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's were tested with Colibre icon theme. All actions
> has an Icon, Icon + Label or Label only.
>
> For switch between different User Interfaces there is a Menu button on the
> top right. Tabbedbar has in addition on the top left an show menubar icon.
>
> Contextual Groups (called Heikobar) and Contextual Single didn't get an
> update.
> - Contextual Single should be removed from the build cause it's only an
> design study where many stuff is missing.
> - Contextual Groups need an update or should be turned off until it will be
> updated, cause if the menubar is turned off you can't switch the UI (you
> have to delate your profile or whatever). The problem is that it's the
> first in the list.
>
> Design wise Notebookbar waiting for testers. The problem is, that there are
> open bugs so the developers can't move the feature out of experimental.
>
> In a movie I would show the different idea behind tabbedbar (where your
> content is grouped in tabbs) and groupedbars (where all "main" content is
> always available and the rest in the drop dowm group label.
>
> User feedback is really needed!
>
> Cheers
> Andreas_K
>
> 2018-05-30 9:41 GMT+02:00 Mike Saunders <
> mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org>:
>
> > Hello!
> >
> > So the release of LibreOffice 6.1 is still a couple of months away, but
> > we in the marketing community are starting to plan the release
> > announcement, videos and other materials.
> >
> > How is the Notebookbar looking? I assume it'll still be experimental in
> > 6.1? I recall someone (Andreas?) saying that one of the Notebookbar
> > variants is getting close to completion, however, so we could mention
> > that in the press release / video.
> >
> > Indeed, I could make a separate video showing how to try it. The two
> > things to bear in mind are:
> >
> > 1) It must be easy to revert to the "normal" layout
> > 2) If there are many different Notebookbar variants in the experimental
> > mode, we need to be careful that users don't accidentally enable the
> > wrong one, and complain...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mike
> >
> > --
> > Mike Saunders, Marketing & PR
> > The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[kainz.a]

Hi,

Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's are ready. I already update the UI so that they
can be "released". Groupedbar and Tabbedbar has a full and a compact view.

Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's were tested with Colibre icon theme. All actions
has an Icon, Icon + Label or Label only.

For switch between different User Interfaces there is a Menu button on the
top right. Tabbedbar has in addition on the top left an show menubar icon.

Contextual Groups (called Heikobar) and Contextual Single didn't get an
update.
- Contextual Single should be removed from the build cause it's only an
design study where many stuff is missing.
- Contextual Groups need an update or should be turned off until it will be
updated, cause if the menubar is turned off you can't switch the UI (you
have to delate your profile or whatever). The problem is that it's the
first in the list.

Design wise Notebookbar waiting for testers. The problem is, that there are
open bugs so the developers can't move the feature out of experimental.

In a movie I would show the different idea behind tabbedbar (where your
content is grouped in tabbs) and groupedbars (where all "main" content is
always available and the rest in the drop dowm group label.

User feedback is really needed!

Cheers
Andreas_K

2018-05-30 9:41 GMT+02:00 Mike Saunders <
mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org>:

> Hello!
>
> So the release of LibreOffice 6.1 is still a couple of months away, but
> we in the marketing community are starting to plan the release
> announcement, videos and other materials.
>
> How is the Notebookbar looking? I assume it'll still be experimental in
> 6.1? I recall someone (Andreas?) saying that one of the Notebookbar
> variants is getting close to completion, however, so we could mention
> that in the press release / video.
>
> Indeed, I could make a separate video showing how to try it. The two
> things to bear in mind are:
>
> 1) It must be easy to revert to the "normal" layout
> 2) If there are many different Notebookbar variants in the experimental
> mode, we need to be careful that users don't accidentally enable the
> wrong one, and complain...
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
>
> --
> Mike Saunders, Marketing & PR
> The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE
>
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[libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[Mike Saunders]

Hello!

So the release of LibreOffice 6.1 is still a couple of months away, but
we in the marketing community are starting to plan the release
announcement, videos and other materials.

How is the Notebookbar looking? I assume it'll still be experimental in
6.1? I recall someone (Andreas?) saying that one of the Notebookbar
variants is getting close to completion, however, so we could mention
that in the press release / video.

Indeed, I could make a separate video showing how to try it. The two
things to bear in mind are:

1) It must be easy to revert to the "normal" layout
2) If there are many different Notebookbar variants in the experimental
mode, we need to be careful that users don't accidentally enable the
wrong one, and complain...

Cheers,
Mike

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The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE

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