Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Home for the breeze icon theme

[Pedro Rosmaninho]

It's just that LO has so many great icon sets that people spent so many
hours working on, that it just dissapoints me that this work is mostly
ignored by the majority of users that won't ever change the default icon
set from Tango, which has existed for ages and looks dated (even with the
current improvements).

Heck, Tango is starting to not even look integrated in Gnome 3 since, the
design paradigm of gnome has changed as well. Breeze is a much more modern
icon set, just as Sifr is, and they were both the result of work from LO
contributors and not a legacy icon set adopted from AOO (even if Tango also
received multiple improvements along the way).

And I mean, with the amazing work that all of you did in the past few years
on the UI of LO, the building blocks to present new default UIs and give
users the option between default UIs adjusted to their preferences in
workflow are all there.

The Sidebar has been vastly improved. The single toolbar mode was
integrated. There is a bunch of different icon sets that adjust to old OSes
or to new OSes...
And the Notebookbar is coming along.

The KDE DE has an option of "themes" that changes a few presets. Something
similar could be presented to LO users at first boot.

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Pedro Rosmaninho 
wrote:

> ​Well, in that Welcome dialog I would probably just put some preset UI
> options (simple toolbar, traditional toolbar, toolbar+Sidebar) along with
> that. A bit like Kingsoft Office does.​
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips 
> wrote:
>
>> On 08/01/2016 06:51 PM, Pedro Rosmaninho wrote:
>>
>>> I thought it was possible to discriminate the Windows version to present
>>> a distinct icon set per version.
>>>
>>
>> I'm not sure if it is possible as i dont know how the installer works.
>>
>> Since Tango doesn't look native to Windows I think using another icon
>>> set with a more native feel would fit better, even for previous versions
>>> of Windows. For example, Office 13 and 16 also adopt a different design
>>> language than Aero but they don't look out of place in Windows 7.
>>>
>>
>> Most apps on windows dont have native looking icons in their interface
>> similar to the windows OS. Here are screenshots from 2 of the top 10
>> downloaded apps on windows.
>>
>> http://images.six.betanews.com/screenshots/1100194579-1.png
>>
>> http://antivirus-freedownload.com/proimg/avast.jpg
>>
>> And barely anyone is using previous versions of Wnidows to 7 after the
>>> end-of-life for XP.
>>>
>>
>> Yes Vista pretty much disappeared once 7 arrived, but XP is still holding
>> in there with 7 to 10 percent, which is quite close to what Win8 has today.
>> Win 7 is king with ~45% and Win 10 is ~22% thanks to the the 1-year upgrade
>> giveaway that just ended, and many users were automatically upgraded. But
>> now that that free upgrade is over, i dont see Win10 going over 30% for the
>> forseeable future, especially when Win7 will be supported for atleast
>> another 3.5 years and users can still buy Win7 laptops today. Also the year
>> of the linux desktop seems to be near. ;D
>>
>> I also think that Sifr looks better on MacOS than Breeze. A lot of work
>>> was done in these icon sets that look native in these two OSes. It is a
>>> waste not to put them front and center to the LibreOffice users on those
>>> OSes.
>>>
>>> Much like Tango is perfect for Gnome and Breeze also for KDE.
>>>
>>
>> Might be a useful thing to ask users in the proposed welcome dialog
>> (tdf#91441) so that they can make this choice after they install LO.
>>
>> Yousuf.
>>
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Home for the breeze icon theme

[kainz.a]

KDE implement something like a look and feel package. the idea is that you
don't have to select I'd like to use this icons with that color scheme and
this widget layout.

So maybe you can have in the dialogue a preview of different layouts.
simple tollbar with tango icons e.g. for xp users, toolbar + sidebar with
breeze icons and dark theme, ... you can change everything in the settings
dialogue but in the start selection you say I'd like to have this.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Home for the breeze icon theme

[Pedro Rosmaninho]

​Well, in that Welcome dialog I would probably just put some preset UI
options (simple toolbar, traditional toolbar, toolbar+Sidebar) along with
that. A bit like Kingsoft Office does.​

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips 
wrote:

> On 08/01/2016 06:51 PM, Pedro Rosmaninho wrote:
>
>> I thought it was possible to discriminate the Windows version to present
>> a distinct icon set per version.
>>
>
> I'm not sure if it is possible as i dont know how the installer works.
>
> Since Tango doesn't look native to Windows I think using another icon
>> set with a more native feel would fit better, even for previous versions
>> of Windows. For example, Office 13 and 16 also adopt a different design
>> language than Aero but they don't look out of place in Windows 7.
>>
>
> Most apps on windows dont have native looking icons in their interface
> similar to the windows OS. Here are screenshots from 2 of the top 10
> downloaded apps on windows.
>
> http://images.six.betanews.com/screenshots/1100194579-1.png
>
> http://antivirus-freedownload.com/proimg/avast.jpg
>
> And barely anyone is using previous versions of Wnidows to 7 after the
>> end-of-life for XP.
>>
>
> Yes Vista pretty much disappeared once 7 arrived, but XP is still holding
> in there with 7 to 10 percent, which is quite close to what Win8 has today.
> Win 7 is king with ~45% and Win 10 is ~22% thanks to the the 1-year upgrade
> giveaway that just ended, and many users were automatically upgraded. But
> now that that free upgrade is over, i dont see Win10 going over 30% for the
> forseeable future, especially when Win7 will be supported for atleast
> another 3.5 years and users can still buy Win7 laptops today. Also the year
> of the linux desktop seems to be near. ;D
>
> I also think that Sifr looks better on MacOS than Breeze. A lot of work
>> was done in these icon sets that look native in these two OSes. It is a
>> waste not to put them front and center to the LibreOffice users on those
>> OSes.
>>
>> Much like Tango is perfect for Gnome and Breeze also for KDE.
>>
>
> Might be a useful thing to ask users in the proposed welcome dialog
> (tdf#91441) so that they can make this choice after they install LO.
>
> Yousuf.
>

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Home for the breeze icon theme

[Yousuf 'Jay' Philips]

On 08/01/2016 06:51 PM, Pedro Rosmaninho wrote:

I thought it was possible to discriminate the Windows version to present
a distinct icon set per version.


I'm not sure if it is possible as i dont know how the installer works.


Since Tango doesn't look native to Windows I think using another icon
set with a more native feel would fit better, even for previous versions
of Windows. For example, Office 13 and 16 also adopt a different design
language than Aero but they don't look out of place in Windows 7.


Most apps on windows dont have native looking icons in their interface 
similar to the windows OS. Here are screenshots from 2 of the top 10 
downloaded apps on windows.


http://images.six.betanews.com/screenshots/1100194579-1.png

http://antivirus-freedownload.com/proimg/avast.jpg


And barely anyone is using previous versions of Wnidows to 7 after the
end-of-life for XP.


Yes Vista pretty much disappeared once 7 arrived, but XP is still 
holding in there with 7 to 10 percent, which is quite close to what Win8 
has today. Win 7 is king with ~45% and Win 10 is ~22% thanks to the the 
1-year upgrade giveaway that just ended, and many users were 
automatically upgraded. But now that that free upgrade is over, i dont 
see Win10 going over 30% for the forseeable future, especially when Win7 
will be supported for atleast another 3.5 years and users can still buy 
Win7 laptops today. Also the year of the linux desktop seems to be near. ;D



I also think that Sifr looks better on MacOS than Breeze. A lot of work
was done in these icon sets that look native in these two OSes. It is a
waste not to put them front and center to the LibreOffice users on those
OSes.

Much like Tango is perfect for Gnome and Breeze also for KDE.


Might be a useful thing to ask users in the proposed welcome dialog 
(tdf#91441) so that they can make this choice after they install LO.


Yousuf.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Home for the breeze icon theme

[Yousuf 'Jay' Philips]

On 08/01/2016 03:20 PM, kainz.a wrote:

Hi,

about the HiDPI support what's happen with it? I already add 32px icons
but you can't use them in any LO version.



Hey,

Yes the 32px icons are in, but those are not HiDPI enabled as those are 
pngs. In order for HiDPI to work correctly the SVGs would need to be 
rendered, which quikee has done some work on this. I've added the 32px 
icons issue to the meeting minutes so hopefully it can be moved forward.


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Home for the breeze icon theme

[Heiko Tietze]

On 08/01/2016 08:47 PM, Adolfo Jayme Barrientos wrote:
> 2016-07-31 13:04 GMT-05:00 kainz.a :
> I think you could maintain your own, separate GitHub repo, Andreas. It
> doesn’t need to be “officially sanctioned by LibreOffice” =)

Whether or not Breeze should be hosted at the LibreOffice Github is discussed 
at another thread I wrote this weekend (libreoffice@). Andreas wants to make 
the Breeze icons as much public and open source as possible. The fact that Uri 
was able to abandon the repo is a good argument for this approach.

Jay added here the idea to take care of other icon sets as well.



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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Home for the breeze icon theme

[Adolfo Jayme Barrientos]

2016-07-31 13:04 GMT-05:00 kainz.a :

> Hi,
>
> For your information uri inform me before he closed the repository and the
> kde stuff on github wasn't up to date.
>
> But yes in general the png files isn't useful for new contributions and the
> origin file is the important stuff. You wouldn't save exe files. The cpp
> files are the needed.


I think you could maintain your own, separate GitHub repo, Andreas. It
doesn’t need to be “officially sanctioned by LibreOffice” =)

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Home for the breeze icon theme

[Pedro Rosmaninho]

I thought it was possible to discriminate the Windows version to present a
distinct icon set per version.
Since Tango doesn't look native to Windows I think using another icon set
with a more native feel would fit better, even for previous versions of
Windows. For example, Office 13 and 16 also adopt a different design
language than Aero but they don't look out of place in Windows 7.

And barely anyone is using previous versions of Wnidows to 7 after the
end-of-life for XP.
I also think that Sifr looks better on MacOS than Breeze. A lot of work was
done in these icon sets that look native in these two OSes. It is a waste
not to put them front and center to the LibreOffice users on those OSes.

Much like Tango is perfect for Gnome and Breeze also for KDE.

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 12:14 PM, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips 
wrote:

> Hi Pedro,
>
> There is a bug report requesting the same thing (tdf#90194) and its
> possible that Breeze fits well for windows 10 theme, but there are more
> users on other versions of windows than windows 10, so i wouldnt be in
> favour of it.
>
> http://gs.statcounter.com/#desktop-os-ww-monthly-201506-201606
>
> Looking back, i think it was a mistake to move to Breeze on MacOS,
> especially just after moving to Sifr by default in the previous version
> after a survey confirmed that half of Mac users were switching to it. Some
> of the problems I see with Breeze on Mac is that it blends badly with the
> gradient background of the toolbar, though users who get LO from the
> appstore dont have this problem as the toolbar is has a white background.
>
> https://youtu.be/lBWjBRPFdz0?t=31s
>
>
> http://a4.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Purple7/v4/b1/85/37/b1853762-fa00-72e4-f672-f2d12117211d/screen800x500.jpeg
>
> Another problem is that Macs are primarily HiDPI and we dont have SVG
> icons support in yet.
>
> Yousuf
>
>
> On 08/01/2016 01:03 PM, Pedro Rosmaninho wrote:
>
>> This may be a bit off-topic, but couldn't the Breeze theme become the
>> default theme in Windows 10?
>> It fits a lot better with the design language of W10 than Tango (as KDE
>> usually fits better with Windows than Gnome). And Breeze is already the
>> default on MacOS...
>>
>>

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Home for the breeze icon theme

[kainz.a]

Hi,

about the HiDPI support what's happen with it? I already add 32px icons but
you can't use them in any LO version.

2016-08-01 13:14 GMT+02:00 Yousuf 'Jay' Philips :

> Hi Pedro,
>
> There is a bug report requesting the same thing (tdf#90194) and its
> possible that Breeze fits well for windows 10 theme, but there are more
> users on other versions of windows than windows 10, so i wouldnt be in
> favour of it.
>
> http://gs.statcounter.com/#desktop-os-ww-monthly-201506-201606
>
> Looking back, i think it was a mistake to move to Breeze on MacOS,
> especially just after moving to Sifr by default in the previous version
> after a survey confirmed that half of Mac users were switching to it. Some
> of the problems I see with Breeze on Mac is that it blends badly with the
> gradient background of the toolbar, though users who get LO from the
> appstore dont have this problem as the toolbar is has a white background.
>
> https://youtu.be/lBWjBRPFdz0?t=31s
>
>
> http://a4.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Purple7/v4/b1/85/37/b1853762-fa00-72e4-f672-f2d12117211d/screen800x500.jpeg
>
> Another problem is that Macs are primarily HiDPI and we dont have SVG
> icons support in yet.
>
> Yousuf
>
>
> On 08/01/2016 01:03 PM, Pedro Rosmaninho wrote:
>
>> This may be a bit off-topic, but couldn't the Breeze theme become the
>> default theme in Windows 10?
>> It fits a lot better with the design language of W10 than Tango (as KDE
>> usually fits better with Windows than Gnome). And Breeze is already the
>> default on MacOS...
>>
>>

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Home for the breeze icon theme

[Yousuf 'Jay' Philips]

Hi Pedro,

There is a bug report requesting the same thing (tdf#90194) and its 
possible that Breeze fits well for windows 10 theme, but there are more 
users on other versions of windows than windows 10, so i wouldnt be in 
favour of it.


http://gs.statcounter.com/#desktop-os-ww-monthly-201506-201606

Looking back, i think it was a mistake to move to Breeze on MacOS, 
especially just after moving to Sifr by default in the previous version 
after a survey confirmed that half of Mac users were switching to it. 
Some of the problems I see with Breeze on Mac is that it blends badly 
with the gradient background of the toolbar, though users who get LO 
from the appstore dont have this problem as the toolbar is has a white 
background.


https://youtu.be/lBWjBRPFdz0?t=31s

http://a4.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Purple7/v4/b1/85/37/b1853762-fa00-72e4-f672-f2d12117211d/screen800x500.jpeg

Another problem is that Macs are primarily HiDPI and we dont have SVG 
icons support in yet.


Yousuf

On 08/01/2016 01:03 PM, Pedro Rosmaninho wrote:

This may be a bit off-topic, but couldn't the Breeze theme become the
default theme in Windows 10?
It fits a lot better with the design language of W10 than Tango (as KDE
usually fits better with Windows than Gnome). And Breeze is already the
default on MacOS...



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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Home for the breeze icon theme

[Pedro Rosmaninho]

This may be a bit off-topic, but couldn't the Breeze theme become the
default theme in Windows 10?
It fits a lot better with the design language of W10 than Tango (as KDE
usually fits better with Windows than Gnome). And Breeze is already the
default on MacOS...

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 7:04 PM, kainz.a  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> For your information uri inform me before he closed the repository and the
> kde stuff on github wasn't up to date.
>
> But yes in general the png files isn't useful for new contributions and the
> origin file is the important stuff. You wouldn't save exe files. The cpp
> files are the needed.
>
> Thanks for upload the files.
> Andreas kainz
>
> Am 31.07.2016 15:09 schrieb "Yousuf 'Jay' Philips" :
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Andreas informed me that the github repo that was hosting LO's breeze
> icon
> > theme, as well as all the breeze icons for kde, has been removed and he
> > asked where can the breeze svgs be hosted. I've uploaded the SVGs to the
> > core repo under /icon-themes/breeze/svg/.
> >
> > https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/27750
> >
> > This incident has gotten me thinking of how secure are we with our sifr
> > and tango icon themes on github.
> >
> > https://github.com/libodesign/icons
> >
> > Yousuf
> >
>
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[libreoffice-design] Re: Home for the breeze icon theme

[kainz.a]

Hi,

For your information uri inform me before he closed the repository and the
kde stuff on github wasn't up to date.

But yes in general the png files isn't useful for new contributions and the
origin file is the important stuff. You wouldn't save exe files. The cpp
files are the needed.

Thanks for upload the files.
Andreas kainz

Am 31.07.2016 15:09 schrieb "Yousuf 'Jay' Philips" :

> Hi all,
>
> Andreas informed me that the github repo that was hosting LO's breeze icon
> theme, as well as all the breeze icons for kde, has been removed and he
> asked where can the breeze svgs be hosted. I've uploaded the SVGs to the
> core repo under /icon-themes/breeze/svg/.
>
> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/27750
>
> This incident has gotten me thinking of how secure are we with our sifr
> and tango icon themes on github.
>
> https://github.com/libodesign/icons
>
> Yousuf
>

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