Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: 'adopt-o-meter' for the download page
Hi all, This is my first email after subscribing to this list only a few days ago but I've got to put out a big +1 to the proposal put forward in the previous email. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:PROP_DownloadsPage_110606NS.jpg http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:PROP_DownloadsPage_110606NS.jpgThe proposed download page looks extremely clean and with some tweaks such as adding links to the license and sourcecode would be a marked improvement over the very text heavy current implementation http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ http://www.libreoffice.org/download/Thanks, Patrick On 6 June 2011 17:37, Nik n...@tdf.nikashsingh.com wrote: Hi all, This is probably not going to go down well with those who have submitted proposals for this task already, but I think we should re-evaluate whether some sort of adopt-o-meter will actually /clarify/ things for users. While the proposals so far were good, I think I understood them only because I knew of the request for them to be made. As a /user/, these visual elements are actually quite confusing; If you put a scale in, does that mean I can either have Stability or Features but not both? How am I going to decide what that even means for me if I haven't used the software yet? Why is 3.3.2 mentioned twice on some scales, does that make it superior to 3.4.0? What IS an early adopter? is it someone who downloads in the next few months? is this a new office suite? Does red/orange suggest that this isn't safe software? Does it indicate higher processing/resource demands? I haven't been to the downloads page for a while, after heading there I realised most of the problem was the way it is presented. it is *VERY* user-*un*friendly; - How are beginner-users supposed to know what x86 means? - Why is there no emphasis on the actual software download link as opposed to the language/help packs? - What is with the COMPLETE AND UTTER LACK OF A *DOWNLOAD BUTTON* on this downloads page? By comparison, there is no confusion about what to press when you head to Mozilla[1], Ubuntu[2], Google[3] or even Microsoft's[4] sites; [1] http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/fx/ [2] http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download [3] http://sketchup.google.com/intl/en/download/index.html [4] http://www7.buyoffice.microsoft.com/asia/product.aspx?sku=10234643cache=793687343culture=en-AU I think the cryptic filename-links need to go and the page just needs emphasis placed on the right details. It's useless to just say this, so I've made a mock-up of a preferable state for the downloads page; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:PROP_DownloadsPage_110606NS.jpg I don't know how possible that is to implement, but I'm happy to cough up the images of someone is willing. But essentially, I honestly don't think the Adopt-o-meter graphics are helping things right now. I think users just need to see a big fat friendly green download button with all the affordances they've come to expect. I think the adopt-a-meter is essentially marketing-jazz on what is essentially Usability-turf. Just my opinion though. -Nik PS. I realised my mock-up doesn't have download-size listed anywhere, my bad. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: 'adopt-o-meter' for the download page
Hi Nik, Am 06.06.2011 18:37, schrieb Nik: Hi all, This is probably not going to go down well with those who have submitted proposals for this task already, but I think we should re-evaluate whether some sort of adopt-o-meter will actually /clarify/ things for users. While the proposals so far were good, I think I understood them only because I knew of the request for them to be made. As a /user/, these visual elements are actually quite confusing; If you put a scale in, does that mean I can either have Stability or Features but not both? How am I going to decide what that even means for me if I haven't used the software yet? Why is 3.3.2 mentioned twice on some scales, does that make it superior to 3.4.0? What IS an early adopter? is it someone who downloads in the next few months? is this a new office suite? Does red/orange suggest that this isn't safe software? Does it indicate higher processing/resource demands? I haven't been to the downloads page for a while, after heading there I realised most of the problem was the way it is presented. it is *VERY* user-*un*friendly; - How are beginner-users supposed to know what x86 means? - Why is there no emphasis on the actual software download link as opposed to the language/help packs? - What is with the COMPLETE AND UTTER LACK OF A *DOWNLOAD BUTTON* on this downloads page? By comparison, there is no confusion about what to press when you head to Mozilla[1], Ubuntu[2], Google[3] or even Microsoft's[4] sites; [1] http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/fx/ [2] http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download [3] http://sketchup.google.com/intl/en/download/index.html [4] http://www7.buyoffice.microsoft.com/asia/product.aspx?sku=10234643cache=793687343culture=en-AU I think the cryptic filename-links need to go and the page just needs emphasis placed on the right details. It's useless to just say this, so I've made a mock-up of a preferable state for the downloads page; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:PROP_DownloadsPage_110606NS.jpg I don't know how possible that is to implement, but I'm happy to cough up the images of someone is willing. Your mockup is too important to hide it under this thread. We should make an own thread for this and invide the website-ml for discussion. But essentially, I honestly don't think the Adopt-o-meter graphics are helping things right now. I think users just need to see a big fat friendly green download button with all the affordances they've come to expect. I think the adopt-a-meter is essentially marketing-jazz on what is essentially Usability-turf. Just my opinion though. -Nik PS. I realised my mock-up doesn't have download-size listed anywhere, my bad. k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: 'adopt-o-meter' for the download page
Hello, If you put a scale in, does that mean I can either have Stability or Features but not both? How am I going to decide what that even means for me if I haven't used the software yet? Why is 3.3.2 mentioned twice on some scales, does that make it superior to 3.4.0? On mine, it was because it was asked for a version of the adopt-o-meter that gives options for corporate users, home users and early adopters. However, I think it is a ridiculous idea (because it is a lot of work) to try to keep three different releases fixed all the time. and, as you note, it's confusing to every user except Linux distributors -- many commercial distributions ship with more or less outdated software and have to be kept up to date for years. What IS an early adopter? is it someone who downloads in the next few months? is this a new office suite? You could say, a tester, but that would give people the wrong idea, because, fundamentally, a .0 release should be stable, even if later versions might be more stable even. Does red/orange suggest that this isn't safe software? Does it indicate higher processing/resource demands? Probably yes, although Jan H asked to avoid the colour red if I remember right, again a .0 release is not really a tester's version. And: no, would you expect that? - How are beginner-users supposed to know what x86 means? I concur. Slapping a 64-bit behind the version now labelled x64 and removing the x86 should help here. The 64-bit part is important, though, as more and more systems run 64-bit OS'es and these users will want to have an optimised version. - Why is there no emphasis on the actual software download link as opposed to the language/help packs? The language packs have been eliminated as of version 3.4. I am unsure how long the help packs are supposed to stay since there is the Wiki help – personally I like to have an offline help file and found the fact that Firefox now uses an internet help site only a step backwards – such pages tend to be more confusing and less ordered than an offline help file. Anyway, the help file download should go somewhere in a sidebar or at least be less pronounced (as in your proposal). - What is with the COMPLETE AND UTTER LACK OF A *DOWNLOAD BUTTON* on this downloads page? I didn't notice until now, but this is bad. Although luckily not as bad as on Sourceforge where you have to navigate through folders etc. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:PROP_DownloadsPage_110606NS.jpg Thank you for this contribution. I really like your proposal, the wording is sometimes a bit questionable, but the general idea is very good. I don't know how possible that is to implement, but I'm happy to cough up the images of someone is willing. Me neither, although with the script that changes the LibO version dynamically already in place, the HTML shouldn't be too complicated. Astron. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: 'adopt-o-meter' for the download page
Hi Nik, all! Again, still in hurry, so: I support all your thoughts ... the German community also discusses this issue right now. Since one of the participants created a wiki page for the ideas, I've added my proposal there. Sorry for spreading this topic across several lists / languages, but maybe this helps: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=deie=UTF8prev=_trurl=translate.google.comsl=detl=entwu=1u=http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/DE/LODownloadusg=ALkJrhjj3eVkSJrUyoCV99yOHS7EY2czBA#Vorschl.C3.A4ge_von_Christoph See section Suggestions of Christopher, or the original page (for better ASCII art): http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/DE/LODownload#Vorschl.C3.A4ge_von_Christoph Am Dienstag, den 07.06.2011, 02:37 +1000 schrieb Nik: I think the cryptic filename-links need to go and the page just needs emphasis placed on the right details. It's useless to just say this, so I've made a mock-up of a preferable state for the downloads page; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:PROP_DownloadsPage_110606NS.jpg I don't know how possible that is to implement, but I'm happy to cough up the images of someone is willing. Great! Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: 'adopt-o-meter' for the download page
hi all , skrifaði Vamsi Kodali: On 06/03/2011 11:52 PM, Sveinn í Felli wrote: Much better I think. Eliminated the red danger color, only two words to translate (this could be an localizable svg image, isn't it ?) It's not an SVG image. I made it in LibO Draw. The original file is here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Vk_aom4.odg Set it up in Inkscape, slight modifications on font and text position (should we use Droid Sans ???). Two versions: http://www.nett.is/~sveinki/libreoffice/Adapt-o-meter-I.svg http://www.nett.is/~sveinki/libreoffice/Adapt-o-meter-P.svg [I = Inkscape SVG, P = Plain SVG] I have some trouble logging into the wiki, so it would be nice if someone bothers filing one or both of them... ;-) Sveinn í Felli On 06/04/2011 01:21 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Yes, also a good point for our localizers, seeing as they will have to change the version numbers. This needs to be made a easy as possible for them. Re: colours: We have to keep in mind that human colour blindness is quite a prevalent condition, up to 8% of males and 5% of females have some form of colour blindness. Also monitors may also draw colours differently. So, basing anything on colours should take this into consideration. IMO, basing choices along the lines of colours should not be taken as the only choice available to users and should never be the primary method of choice for users picking a solution. I think the words 'Stability' and 'Features' should help in the case of people who cannot clearly differentiate the colors. However, if these sort of issues are dealt with using a different scheme of colors elsewhere we can try that too. BTW ... I put up another quick mockup[1]. I think we should still have the 2 dropdown windows for people like me who want to install FR and ES languages on my machine. http://www.parentreprise.com/images/LibreOffice/downloadpage7.png I did not mean to eliminate those dropdown boxes. I just forgot to copy/paste them from the website. I too think that the dropdown boxes need to stay. Thanks, Vamsi. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: 'adopt-o-meter' for the download page
On 06/03/2011 11:52 PM, Sveinn í Felli wrote: Much better I think. Eliminated the red danger color, only two words to translate (this could be an localizable svg image, isn't it ?) It's not an SVG image. I made it in LibO Draw. The original file is here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Vk_aom4.odg On 06/04/2011 01:21 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Yes, also a good point for our localizers, seeing as they will have to change the version numbers. This needs to be made a easy as possible for them. Re: colours: We have to keep in mind that human colour blindness is quite a prevalent condition, up to 8% of males and 5% of females have some form of colour blindness. Also monitors may also draw colours differently. So, basing anything on colours should take this into consideration. IMO, basing choices along the lines of colours should not be taken as the only choice available to users and should never be the primary method of choice for users picking a solution. I think the words 'Stability' and 'Features' should help in the case of people who cannot clearly differentiate the colors. However, if these sort of issues are dealt with using a different scheme of colors elsewhere we can try that too. BTW ... I put up another quick mockup[1]. I think we should still have the 2 dropdown windows for people like me who want to install FR and ES languages on my machine. http://www.parentreprise.com/images/LibreOffice/downloadpage7.png I did not mean to eliminate those dropdown boxes. I just forgot to copy/paste them from the website. I too think that the dropdown boxes need to stay. Thanks, Vamsi. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: 'adopt-o-meter' for the download page
Marc's idea inspired me to put take another shot at this. Result is here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Vk_aom4.png I put together a mockup without the meter and using Kodali's meter mockup but put vertically next to the versions, and, in the order of appearance that I suggested.[1] It keeps the page clean, with no distractions. Let me know what you think. Cheers Marc [1] http://www.parentreprise.com/images/LibreOffice/downloadpage6.png -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
