Re: [libreoffice-design] Rebranding result
Am 27.01.2013 00:39, schrieb Mirek M.: I'm sure you're all wondering what branding proposal was chosen. We went for Maxim Darák's proposal, with Mateus Machado Luna coming in a close second. Lots of thanks for everyone who participated! :) Congratulations to the winning proposal. You should announce it on marketing, website and documentation ml (and maybe other mls) as soon as possible. This decision should lead in near time to proposals for marketing, website and documentation team. And this should be done by the design team. And near time is about two or three weeks. I personally can't imagine for now how to put it on and integrate it in marketing material. So I want to invide you to do some proposals. But this should be another thread. -- Grüße k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Rebranding result
Hello Mirek, Cool. Do you have a pointer to the winner's design? All I saw was a non standard logo on a white background Best, Charles. Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com a écrit : I'm sure you're all wondering what branding proposal was chosen. We went for Maxim Darák's proposal, with Mateus Machado Luna coming in a close second. Lots of thanks for everyone who participated! :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Envoyé de mon téléphone avec Kaiten Mail. Excusez la brièveté. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Rebranding result
Mirek, I think Darak's designs are not good idea considering that his project is like withdrawal comparing to previous 3.6 design (very basic and not good looking for me). We should use more green color (like on websites etc.) - it is more eye friendly and some users, I think, identifies LibreOffice with this color. I would choose Mateus's Clear_Green_Pref.png, but it's only my opinion. Greetings. Paweł 2013/1/27 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Hello Mirek, Cool. Do you have a pointer to the winner's design? All I saw was a non standard logo on a white background Best, Charles. Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com a écrit : I'm sure you're all wondering what branding proposal was chosen. We went for Maxim Darák's proposal, with Mateus Machado Luna coming in a close second. Lots of thanks for everyone who participated! :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Envoyé de mon téléphone avec Kaiten Mail. Excusez la brièveté. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Rebranding result
Well. This mail is a bit difficult. I took a look at the design. It IS a non standard logo on a white background. There are two major issues. * the logo is NOT the standard logo. You're using an old one from 2010. * I don't have much to say for the startscreen, but honestly... the splashscreen is something I could have done myself and I'm a profound idiot when it comes to design. This looks bad, unfinished, and I obviously do not have the documented rationale for your choice, but it's a bit like any other choice would have been better. I am very worried about this choice (again, I'm constraining my comment to the splashscreen), I'm worried for our image, I'm worried for the impression millions of people are going to get every time they'll start LibreOffice. I would like to thank you all for your contributions, I know it's not easy and we all have lives outside here, but somebody must have gotten really tired or something. I don't even want to suggest what to do at this point, what process to follow, I don't want to choose for the team as it would be disrepectful (and this mail is disrespectful enough already) but I can't shut up on that one. Please reconsider or do something. It's terrible. Thanks, Charles. Le 27.01.2013 15:00, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : Hello Mirek, Cool. Do you have a pointer to the winner's design? All I saw was a non standard logo on a white background Best, Charles. Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com a écrit : I'm sure you're all wondering what branding proposal was chosen. We went for Maxim Darák's proposal, with Mateus Machado Luna coming in a close second. Lots of thanks for everyone who participated! :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Envoyé de mon téléphone avec Kaiten Mail. Excusez la brièveté. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Rebranding result
Am 27.01.2013 17:40, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: Well. This mail is a bit difficult. Even if it is a BoD member's voice. And this is a ponderous voice. -- Grüße k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Rebranding result
Le 27.01.2013 18:42, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol a écrit : Am 27.01.2013 17:40, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: Well. This mail is a bit difficult. Even if it is a BoD member's voice. And this is a ponderous voice. It's even more difficult in my position. I realize I'm going to upset a dozen people here at least. But I feel it is my duty not to shut up... Best, Charles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Rebranding result
Welcome again, I want also suggest another option of rebranding. We can use our 3.6.4 design with only very small change (slightly changed colors/borders) and give users an option to CHANGE DEFAULT GREEN COLOR (eg. from Windows or ready palette) - it could be a window after first app start with choosing color and info about Personas feature. I think it will be very good composition with Personas feature, but it has to be made by our great developers. What do you think? Cheers, Paweł 2013/1/27 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Le 27.01.2013 18:42, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol a écrit : Am 27.01.2013 17:40, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: Well. This mail is a bit difficult. Even if it is a BoD member's voice. And this is a ponderous voice. It's even more difficult in my position. I realize I'm going to upset a dozen people here at least. But I feel it is my duty not to shut up... Best, Charles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+help@global.**libreoffice.orgdesign%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/design/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Rebranding result
On 1/27/13 5:40 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: I am very worried about this choice (again, I'm constraining my comment to the splashscreen), I'm worried for our image, I'm worried for the impression millions of people are going to get every time they'll start LibreOffice. I am not going to add my comments, but I completely agree with Charles. I don't even want to suggest what to do at this point, what process to follow, I don't want to choose for the team as it would be disrepectful (and this mail is disrespectful enough already) but I can't shut up on that one. Please reconsider or do something. It's terrible. +1 (should I say +100 ?) -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Rebranding result
Hi Charles, Italo, The links to the proposed artwork are here: * TDF artwork http://ubuntuone.com/3PVMix5hDrBtqARcYR298r * Community artwork without ® http://ubuntuone.com/5Egi8UftNSNL3jNwxncC3r * Community artwork with ® http://ubuntuone.com/5PDYO8aos1BOa8CVId8NS9 * sofficerc http://ubuntuone.com/3lYToGq77OfnItEDKsAhBO * SVG sources http://ubuntuone.com/25bFNEcUwK8VAJcCK04iRx Please try it out before making a judgement. On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Well. This mail is a bit difficult. I took a look at the design. It IS a non standard logo on a white background. There are two major issues. * the logo is NOT the standard logo. You're using an old one from 2010. The logo in the proposal comes straight from https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding, where it's listed as a valid option. That said, we opted for a lighter, if a bit less standard, version of the logo, as seen in Mateus's proposal. * I don't have much to say for the startscreen, but honestly... the splashscreen is something I could have done myself and I'm a profound idiot when it comes to design. This looks bad, unfinished, and I obviously do not have the documented rationale for your choice, but it's a bit like any other choice would have been better. A complex design doesn't necessary mean a good design. Here, simple tends to be better. And if you look, that's the design ethos of most successful software companies. To give examples -- look at Microsoft Word's new splash screenhttp://better-tablet.com//HLIC/d07e244bfbe53f6531eb17c87114c138.png . And while iWork doesn't have a splash, it does have a boxhttp://www.downeu.net/uploads/posts/2010-07/1279860460_iwork09-box.jpg-- and the front is occupied solely by the logo. On our social sites, the feedback seems mostly positive. I am very worried about this choice (again, I'm constraining my comment to the splashscreen), I'm worried for our image, I'm worried for the impression millions of people are going to get every time they'll start LibreOffice. I would like to thank you all for your contributions, I know it's not easy and we all have lives outside here, but somebody must have gotten really tired or something. I don't even want to suggest what to do at this point, what process to follow, I don't want to choose for the team as it would be disrepectful (and this mail is disrespectful enough already) but I can't shut up on that one. Please reconsider or do something. It's terrible. Again, I'd encourage you to try it out before judging. If you're still firmly opposed to it, we can revert back to the 3.6 branding. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Rebranding result
Another option is to ask for Mateus's license statement and incorporate some elements from his design like the dog ear or the green progress indicator into Maxim's. The two proposals fit well together, and I feel this decision would be fair to both Mateus and Maxim. Please try out the current design and then e-mail me ASAP if I should ask Mateus for a license statement as well. It'd be good to have the final designs today, tomorrow latest. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Rebranding result
Hello Mirek, I have taken a look at the elements below. I do find indeed some improvements with respect to the finition, but I'm still profoundly worried. See my other comments inline. Le 27.01.2013 19:25, Mirek M. a écrit : Hi Charles, Italo, The links to the proposed artwork are here: * TDF artwork http://ubuntuone.com/3PVMix5hDrBtqARcYR298r * Community artwork without ® http://ubuntuone.com/5Egi8UftNSNL3jNwxncC3r * Community artwork with ® http://ubuntuone.com/5PDYO8aos1BOa8CVId8NS9 * sofficerc http://ubuntuone.com/3lYToGq77OfnItEDKsAhBO * SVG sources http://ubuntuone.com/25bFNEcUwK8VAJcCK04iRx Please try it out before making a judgement. On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Well. This mail is a bit difficult. I took a look at the design. It IS a non standard logo on a white background. There are two major issues. * the logo is NOT the standard logo. You're using an old one from 2010. The logo in the proposal comes straight from https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding, where it's listed as a valid option. That said, we opted for a lighter, if a bit less standard, version of the logo, as seen in Mateus's proposal. * I don't have much to say for the startscreen, but honestly... the splashscreen is something I could have done myself and I'm a profound idiot when it comes to design. This looks bad, unfinished, and I obviously do not have the documented rationale for your choice, but it's a bit like any other choice would have been better. A complex design doesn't necessary mean a good design. Here, simple tends to be better. And if you look, that's the design ethos of most successful software companies. To give examples -- look at Microsoft Word's new splash screenhttp://better-tablet.com//HLIC/d07e244bfbe53f6531eb17c87114c138.png . And while iWork doesn't have a splash, it does have a boxhttp://www.downeu.net/uploads/posts/2010-07/1279860460_iwork09-box.jpg-- and the front is occupied solely by the logo. On our social sites, the feedback seems mostly positive. Indeed, and that feels a bit reassuring.I think I understand what you were trying to achieve and I completely agree that a complex design is not necessarily a good design. But there might be a disconnect between the intellectual approach, the concept if you will, and the final result. My point is this : you can see some contemporary artwork, being explained what's the reasonning behind them, even fully enjoy the reasonning behind it, and it still sucks. I think we might be in this situation :-) I fundamentally believe we're heading in the wrong direction with this splashscreen although the files make it look a tad better than the original proposal. Again, I'd encourage you to try it out before judging. If you're still firmly opposed to it, we can revert back to the 3.6 branding. I'll be honest with you, I don't know what we should do. Let me get back to you asap. Thanks a lot for your patience and your work. Charles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Rebranding result
Hi Mirek, all, On 27/01/2013 19:25, Mirek M. wrote: Hi Charles, Italo, The links to the proposed artwork are here: * TDF artwork http://ubuntuone.com/3PVMix5hDrBtqARcYR298r * Community artwork without ® http://ubuntuone.com/5Egi8UftNSNL3jNwxncC3r * Community artwork with ® http://ubuntuone.com/5PDYO8aos1BOa8CVId8NS9 * sofficerc http://ubuntuone.com/3lYToGq77OfnItEDKsAhBO * SVG sources http://ubuntuone.com/25bFNEcUwK8VAJcCK04iRx Please try it out before making a judgement. Thanks a lot for the links. I didn't participate to the communication on your work, I usually forward everything to the FR list, but localization has took all my time. I agree with Italo and Charles that the design is finally less than a refresh, but hey guys, we all make bugs :) So to all who participated, don't be disappointed, be like all of us when we find that finally our hard work has some imperfection that makes it difficult to accept for others (and be sure that it happens to all of us more than one time), take a breath and go on! Where to go from here? Do we cancel the refresh (Pawel, your proposal is not possible because of feature and l10n freeze), do you think there is another one that will fit more than the proposed one? (I'm still struggling with l10n issues so don't have time to look at your links). Mirek, what would be your position on this? And again to all, thanks a lot for your work on the design of our product and project. Kind regards Sophie -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org Tel:+33683901545 Membership Certification Committee Member - Co-founder The Document Foundation -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Rebranding result
@Charles: Good to hear that you're happier with the tweaked version. @Sophie: As I said, I could contact Mateus and incorporate his dog ear and green progress indicator designs. It sounds as if both of you only looked at the elements in an image viewer. Please try them in action -- they really do look good, and, what's more, they feel light (which is good, as it makes the suite feel a bit less bloated). :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Rebranding result
On 1/27/13 7:25 PM, Mirek M. wrote: Again, I'd encourage you to try it out before judging. If you're still firmly opposed to it, we can revert back to the 3.6 branding. Everything is white, nothing is green. Sorry, I do not like it at all. I am not a design expert but a decent communication expert, and we have already had a huge issue in the past when OOo switched from something colourful to something completely white, and many users complained in a rather strong way (and I was one of the most vocal). We should improve the design of 3.6.4, which might be too greenish, by adding shades or graphic elements, but we should not give up our green colour (which has a meaning, as green is the colour of freedom in western culture). Sorry for being probably too negative, because I am a volunteer and I know myself what it means when your volunteer work is criticized, but I see this whiteish look as a major issue (and a huge step backwards). -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Rebranding result
Hi Mirek, On 27/01/2013 20:04, Mirek M. wrote: @Charles: Good to hear that you're happier with the tweaked version. @Sophie: As I said, I could contact Mateus and incorporate his dog ear and green progress indicator designs. It sounds as if both of you only looked at the elements in an image viewer. Please try them in action -- they really do look good, and, what's more, they feel light (which is good, as it makes the suite feel a bit less bloated). :) I must admit that I don't tried them in situation, but most of the people commenting on your work will do the same as me (but I'll test it tomorrow). This is another discussion so I won't clutter this one, but will come back to it when this issue is closed, you need better ways/tools to reflect and to be able to communicate on your work. Kind regards Sophie -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org Tel:+33683901545 Membership Certification Committee Member - Co-founder The Document Foundation -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Rebranding result
Guide for testing the artwork on Linux: Rename splash.png from the package as intro.png and place it along with sofficerc, backing_left.png, backing_space.png, and backing_right.png into your home folder. Then open the Terminal and write the following: sudo cp intro.png /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/ sudo cp sofficerc /etc/libreoffice/ sudo cp backing_left.png /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/shell/ sudo cp backing_space.png /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/shell/ sudo cp backing_right.png /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/shell/ To answer Italo: On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.comwrote: On 1/27/13 7:25 PM, Mirek M. wrote: Again, I'd encourage you to try it out before judging. If you're still firmly opposed to it, we can revert back to the 3.6 branding. Everything is white, nothing is green. Sorry, I do not like it at all. I am not a design expert but a decent communication expert, and we have already had a huge issue in the past when OOo switched from something colourful to something completely white, and many users complained in a rather strong way (and I was one of the most vocal). We should improve the design of 3.6.4, which might be too greenish, by adding shades or graphic elements, but we should not give up our green colour (which has a meaning, as green is the colour of freedom in western culture). Sorry for being probably too negative, because I am a volunteer and I know myself what it means when your volunteer work is criticized, but I see this whiteish look as a major issue (and a huge step backwards). I have to disagree with you there. Our original splash was predominantly white, and there were no complaints about it then. When the idea of a green splash was brought up, a sizeable percentage of our Google+ commenters argued against it: please not green! - Alberto Sanchezhttps://plus.google.com/u/0/b/102673546895803839652/107720692751646982324, +1'd by Fran S, Alessandro Roncone, Jean-Baptiste Sauvage If one of the green ones is chosen, please add an anti-headache mode which can turn it into greyscale colours. - Robin Jacobs I know about the greenish of LibreOffice, but at least a little decrease of saturation could lead to a less strident ui on those DE that by default are built around blue, to make an example. Basically, I really appreciate this design. My point was only related to the color. - Alessandro Roncone White is also the predominant color in the Office 2010 splash screen, the Apache OpenOffice splash, this Office 2013 splashhttp://www.google.com/imgres?hl=ensafe=offtbo=dgbv=2biw=1024bih=464tbm=ischtbnid=DwPafHo3TG3iJM:imgrefurl=http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/07/office-2013-microsofts-bid-to-win-the-future/docid=2mKhmJ_z8WIUaMimgurl=http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/o2013-install-launch-640x360.pngw=639h=359ei=Fo0FUb66J-2b1AWkuIG4Cgzoom=1ved=1t:3588,r:5,s:0,i:96iact=rcdur=7sig=117166895286223770585page=1tbnh=168tbnw=300start=0ndsp=6tx=72ty=67, and almost all of Apple's box designs. I'm just trying to point out that the situation is not so clear-cut, and there are advantages to using white. Also, the new proposal isn't completely devoid of green. Do you think adding a green dog ear as in Mateus's proposal would help? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Rebranding result
Hi all, I haven't taken a look at the actual design, so I do not have an opinion on the discussion here. What I like is the idea to involve users into defining the future direction. But I guess we should rethink the way of doing it. I do not believe g+ (as I understood) is an appropriate way of doing it / activating users. Thus the results are subject of discussion. I more than happy to help finding / defining better ways to involve users in future if there is a larger interest in this topic. All the best, Björn Am Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013, 21:27:43 schrieb Mirek M.: Guide for testing the artwork on Linux: Rename splash.png from the package as intro.png and place it along with sofficerc, backing_left.png, backing_space.png, and backing_right.png into your home folder. Then open the Terminal and write the following: sudo cp intro.png /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/ sudo cp sofficerc /etc/libreoffice/ sudo cp backing_left.png /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/shell/ sudo cp backing_space.png /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/shell/ sudo cp backing_right.png /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/shell/ To answer Italo: On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.comwrote: On 1/27/13 7:25 PM, Mirek M. wrote: Again, I'd encourage you to try it out before judging. If you're still firmly opposed to it, we can revert back to the 3.6 branding. Everything is white, nothing is green. Sorry, I do not like it at all. I am not a design expert but a decent communication expert, and we have already had a huge issue in the past when OOo switched from something colourful to something completely white, and many users complained in a rather strong way (and I was one of the most vocal). We should improve the design of 3.6.4, which might be too greenish, by adding shades or graphic elements, but we should not give up our green colour (which has a meaning, as green is the colour of freedom in western culture). Sorry for being probably too negative, because I am a volunteer and I know myself what it means when your volunteer work is criticized, but I see this whiteish look as a major issue (and a huge step backwards). I have to disagree with you there. Our original splash was predominantly white, and there were no complaints about it then. When the idea of a green splash was brought up, a sizeable percentage of our Google+ commenters argued against it: please not green! - Alberto Sanchezhttps://plus.google.com/u/0/b/102673546895803839652/1077206927516469 82324, +1'd by Fran S, Alessandro Roncone, Jean-Baptiste Sauvage If one of the green ones is chosen, please add an anti-headache mode which can turn it into greyscale colours. - Robin Jacobs I know about the greenish of LibreOffice, but at least a little decrease of saturation could lead to a less strident ui on those DE that by default are built around blue, to make an example. Basically, I really appreciate this design. My point was only related to the color. - Alessandro Roncone White is also the predominant color in the Office 2010 splash screen, the Apache OpenOffice splash, this Office 2013 splashhttp://www.google.com/imgres?hl=ensafe=offtbo=dgbv=2biw=1024bih= 464tbm=ischtbnid=DwPafHo3TG3iJM:imgrefurl=http://arstechnica.com/informat ion-technology/2012/07/office-2013-microsofts-bid-to-win-the- future/docid=2 mKhmJ_z8WIUaMimgurl=http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp- content/uploads/2012/07/o 2013-install- launch-640x360.pngw=639h=359ei=Fo0FUb66J-2b1AWkuIG4Cgzoom=1 ved=1t:3588,r:5,s:0,i:96iact=rcdur=7sig=117166895286223770585page=1tbn h=168tbnw=300start=0ndsp=6tx=72ty=67, and almost all of Apple's box designs. I'm just trying to point out that the situation is not so clear- cut, and there are advantages to using white. Also, the new proposal isn't completely devoid of green. Do you think adding a green dog ear as in Mateus's proposal would help? -- Dipl.-Psych. Björn Balazs Business Management Research T +49 30 6098548-21 | M +49 179 4541949 User Prompt GmbH | Psychologic IT Expertise Grünberger Str. 49, 10245 Berlin | www.user-prompt.com HRB 142277 | AG Berlin Charlottenburg | Geschäftsführer Björn Balazs -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
