Re: Attention anyone uploading binaries to ftp.gnome.org/pub/binaries - understand the GPL

2011-09-26 Thread Andy Wingo
On Thu 22 Sep 2011 16:17, Colin Walters walt...@verbum.org writes:

   Ige-mac-bundler copies all of the files you indicated in your bundle
 file, and also pulls in the dependencies it can find, and it adjusts the
 install paths to reflect the new locations.
[...]
 You need to list the corresponding source code for *every one* of these
 libraries.  Otherwise we have no idea - it's whatever version of gtk+
 etc. happened to be installed on your workstation.

You should be able to take a jhbuild checkout and run jhbuild snapshot
to generate a jhbuildrc for the exact sources you have checked out.
You can use that to tar up the corresponding source.  It might have
bitrotten, but I wrote it for this purpose.

Cheers,

Andy
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From here to apps

2011-09-26 Thread Frederic Peters
Hey,

New apps are being designed on https://live.gnome.org/Design/Apps/ and
it's really nice, we are getting Contacts and Documents on our
computers in 3.2. Those days I am wondering about apps that are in
domain spaces where we already have good applications, this is
prompted by a comment from David Nielsen on the Music page:

   The design so far looks some what like what Banshee has shipped for
   a long time for MeeGo and I would suggest using that as a start off
   point. Upstream already has a solid media management experience
   that is well deployed and tested. Adoption of GNOME3 technology is
   ongoing and the design of Banshee allows for easily experimenting
   with new UIs such as this one.

There's Music (and we also have Rhythmbox in that space), but this is
for example also the case for Photos (Shotwell?) and Boxes (Vinagre?
virt-manager?).

Speaking of Vinagre, it even has Implement some of the ideas from
GNOME desktop sharing/virtualisation design mockups on its roadmap
for 3.4 (see https://live.gnome.org/Vinagre/RoadMap).

So, is there anything we could do to get to the new apps faster,
accompanying existing apps to their bright future, benefiting from
their experiences?  Should we encourage specific apps authors to join
#gnome-design? What kind of place can we create for existing
applications willing to go the GNOME App path?



Fred
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Re: From here to apps

2011-09-26 Thread Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Frederic Peters fpet...@gnome.org wrote:

 Speaking of Vinagre, it even has Implement some of the ideas from
 GNOME desktop sharing/virtualisation design mockups on its roadmap
 for 3.4 (see https://live.gnome.org/Vinagre/RoadMap).

  I assume you are referring to Boxes here[1]. If you look at the
tentative designs, the UI is significantly different from that of
vinagre and virt-manager to justify writing of this UI from
scratch[2]. Apart from the UI, I don't see how much of vinagre code
could be useful to us since AFAIK most of the functionality is
provided by spice-gtk  (Marc-Andre?). Moreover, vinagre doesn't do any
VM management, which is a significant part of Boxes idea. There is a
conflict with virt-manager in that area (as you noticed) but we are
working closely with Daniel P. Berrange on the framework side so that
most (if not all) of this 'conflict' is limited to UI only.

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[1] https://live.gnome.org/Design/Apps/Boxes
[2] Since many components of UI are common with Documents, I intend to
re-use/steal code from there.
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Re: From here to apps

2011-09-26 Thread David King

On 2011-09-26 14:56, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) zeesha...@gnome.org wrote:

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Frederic Peters fpet...@gnome.org wrote:

Speaking of Vinagre, it even has Implement some of the ideas from
GNOME desktop sharing/virtualisation design mockups on its roadmap
for 3.4 (see https://live.gnome.org/Vinagre/RoadMap).


To clarify, the parts of the Boxes design that I am most interested in 
implementing in Vinagre are the recent connections browser. The current 
behaviour involves a dialog, and makes it awkward to use Avahi to find 
remote desktops on the local network. The Boxes design makes this a lot 
more friendly. Of course, this is only in the roadmap for 3.4, it may 
not get implemented.



 I assume you are referring to Boxes here[1]. If you look at the
tentative designs, the UI is significantly different from that of
vinagre and virt-manager to justify writing of this UI from
scratch[2]. Apart from the UI, I don't see how much of vinagre code
could be useful to us since AFAIK most of the functionality is
provided by spice-gtk  (Marc-Andre?). Moreover, vinagre doesn't do any
VM management, which is a significant part of Boxes idea. There is a
conflict with virt-manager in that area (as you noticed) but we are
working closely with Daniel P. Berrange on the framework side so that
most (if not all) of this 'conflict' is limited to UI only.


I agree pretty strongly with this. The Vinagre plugins, for example VNC 
and SSH, are directly tied to many aspects of the UI, and therefore 
changing it would mean rewriting most of Vinagre from scratch anyway.  
Also, I do not think that Vinagre will suddenly grow the ability to be a 
generic virtual machine application. It handles the remote desktop 
client use case pretty well, and some of that overlaps with Boxes, which 
I do not see as a problem for the moment.



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FSF member#5124

[1] https://live.gnome.org/Design/Apps/Boxes
[2] Since many components of UI are common with Documents, I intend to
re-use/steal code from there.


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