Re: [Builder] Developer experience (DX) hackfest 2016

[Debarshi Ray]

On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 10:57:35PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
> It is easy to do streaming with free software, in a way that lets
> everyone watch with free software,

Incorrect. It is possible, but it is not easy...

> and I know people who would be glad
> to help you do this.

... and this is why. ;)

You could have made it easier, than it is now, by pointing to an URL
which tells us how to do it instead of taking the "I know people..."
approach.
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Re: [Builder] Developer experience (DX) hackfest 2016

[Hugo Alejandro]

http://rtcquickstart.org/

Daniel Pocock Daniel has always offered their help in creating and improving
communications through opensource protocols.

2015-12-28 6:00 GMT-03:00 Debarshi Ray :

> On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 10:57:35PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
> > It is easy to do streaming with free software, in a way that lets
> > everyone watch with free software,
>
> Incorrect. It is possible, but it is not easy...
>
> > and I know people who would be glad
> > to help you do this.
>
> ... and this is why. ;)
>
> You could have made it easier, than it is now, by pointing to an URL
> which tells us how to do it instead of taking the "I know people..."
> approach.
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Re: [Builder] Developer experience (DX) hackfest 2016

[Olav Vitters]

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 10:03:55AM -0300, Hugo Alejandro wrote:
> http://rtcquickstart.org/
> 
> Daniel Pocock Daniel has always offered their help in creating and improving
> communications through opensource protocols.

That's pretty far off from what we're looking for. Above describes how
to setup an extensive infrastructure to do pretty much everything
related to communications. That such an extensive document is called
"quickstart" gives me the shivers!

Is there an existing (hosted) solution alternative to hangouts? Pretty
much as simple as: "go to this URL"?

-- 
Regards,
Olav
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Re: [Builder] Developer experience (DX) hackfest 2016

[Rick Opper]

opentokrtc.com seems to be opensource, but it also appears to be a
demo, and may not be very stable, nor available for very long. 
talky is a Node.js app and, if not available opensource, seems to be
otherwise "free" - no registration and no obligation of any kind... 
I didn't see a limit to the number of participants. 
-Rick

On Mon, 2015-12-28 at 21:10 +0100, Tobias Mueller wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 07:31:19PM +0100, Olav Vitters wrote:
> > Is there an existing (hosted) solution alternative to hangouts?
> > Pretty
> > much as simple as: "go to this URL"?
> I know talky.io, appear.in, opentokrtc.com, appr.tc,
> meetme, japkin, and others.
> 
> I think all of them are not Free Software though.
> So essentially Skype in a Web browser.
> 
> Firefox Hello is probably the freest implementation.
> I haven't used it, though.
> 
> Cheers,
>   Tobi
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Re: [Builder] Developer experience (DX) hackfest 2016

[Tobias Mueller]

Hi!

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 07:31:19PM +0100, Olav Vitters wrote:
> Is there an existing (hosted) solution alternative to hangouts? Pretty
> much as simple as: "go to this URL"?
I know talky.io, appear.in, opentokrtc.com, appr.tc,
meetme, japkin, and others.

I think all of them are not Free Software though.
So essentially Skype in a Web browser.

Firefox Hello is probably the freest implementation.
I haven't used it, though.

Cheers,
  Tobi
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Re: [Builder] Developer experience (DX) hackfest 2016

[Richard Stallman]

  > > It is easy to do streaming with free software, in a way that lets
  > > everyone watch with free software,

  > Incorrect. It is possible, but it is not easy...

That is a somewhat harsh way to say that you disagree.

I have never done video streaming myself, by any method, but the
people who give advice say they can guide non-wizards.

(I would post the email address here, but it seems unkind
to post someone's email address publicly without asking.
I asked them if it is ok.)

  > > and I know people who would be glad
  > > to help you do this.

  > ... and this is why. ;)

I can't make sense of that statement.  Surely the ease of streaming is
not a function of how I wrote the message.

  > You could have made it easier, than it is now, by pointing to an URL
  > which tells us how to do it

I have doubts about that.  A URL might be better for a wizard, who
could read it immediately rather than waiting for a response.
However, for someone who is not a wizard, personal guidance from an
expert is likely to be more helpful.  You can ask the expert to
explain any point that you don't understand -- something that you
can't do with a URL.

Let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that the URL is more helpful
than offering to put you in touch with an expert.  What's the right
way to respond to something that is helpful but could have been more
so?  "Why didn't you do it the other way?" seems ungrateful and
nonconstructive.

I will ask them for a URL I could post.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org)
Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.

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