Re: Proposal for reducing the number of unremovable apps in GNOME Software

2017-11-04 Thread Jeremy Bicha 
On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 4:45 PM,   wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Florian Müllner  wrote:
>> Why is that in the list? I would expect most users to use the various
>> PrintScrn shortcuts for taking screenshots, which don't depend on
>> gnome-screenshot (anymore).
>
>
> Maybe we should drop it from core, then?

Well, based on Michael's original definition here, is it an essential
app without a popular drop-in replacement that seems to be unable to
be properly confined as a Flatpak?

Can it be confined by Flatpak?

I think that it is an essential app. Users expect to be able to take
screenshots and we should not expect users to use keyboard shortcuts
instead of regular apps. Personally, I don't recall hearing anyone
complain about gnome-screenshot being pre-installed and unremovable.

The list seems to be missing several core system utilities:
- Archive Manager
- Disks
- Disk Usage Analyzer
- Logs
- System Monitor

Thanks,
Jeremy Bicha
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Re: Proposal for reducing the number of unremovable apps in GNOME Software

2017-11-04 Thread mcatanzaro 


On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Florian Müllner  
wrote:

Why is that in the list? I would expect most users to use the various
PrintScrn shortcuts for taking screenshots, which don't depend on
gnome-screenshot (anymore).


Maybe we should drop it from core, then?

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Re: Proposal for reducing the number of unremovable apps in GNOME Software

2017-11-04 Thread Florian Müllner 
On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 1:03 AM,   wrote:
>  Specifically, I propose that 
> GNOME
>  be removed from the appstream metainfo for all of our apps except the 
> following four:
>
> * gnome-screenshot

Why is that in the list? I would expect most users to use the various
PrintScrn shortcuts for taking screenshots, which don't depend on
gnome-screenshot (anymore).
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Re: Proposal for reducing the number of unremovable apps in GNOME Software

2017-11-04 Thread Florian Müllner 
Hey,

On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Andreas Nilsson  wrote:
> Could also be that the actual bug in this case is that she shell should
> not show Weather, World Clocks, etc. if these apps are not installed, or
> not make it a link or something along those lines.

That's indeed supposed to be the case for Weather and Clocks - if they
aren't installed, the corresponding sections should be hidden. In case
of the calendar, the date headings should be insensitive if either no
calendar application has been configured, or the configured app is not
available. So there is a bug here, but it's that for some reason the
code isn't working as expected on your system (or atomic?) ...
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Re: Proposal for reducing the number of unremovable apps in GNOME Software

2017-11-04 Thread Andreas Nilsson 
On 2017-11-04 01:03, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Currently about half of the GNOME core apps are unremovable in GNOME
> Software. It's the set of apps that are not new additions to core over
> the past two years, but at this point that's entirely arbitrary. So we
> need to find a better criterion for determining what should and should
> not be unremovable.

A little oddity I ran into while trying out an atomic system was that
the Shell would lead to dead links for things like Weather, Clocks and
Calendar. All three of those are reachable from the
Day/Time/Notification menu.
So in some sense, gnome-shell depends on them, user experience-wise.
Could also be that the actual bug in this case is that she shell should
not show Weather, World Clocks, etc. if these apps are not installed, or
not make it a link or something along those lines.
- Andreas

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