Re: Last GNOME 3.4 Blocker Report
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: === EPIPHANY === There are still references to the GNOME web browser on translations https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671424 Would require string freeze breaks. After grepping this seems to happen in: - A couple of places in the License section in About: - the .pc file. I don't think this is a 3.4 blocker, unless it's somewhat critical that the license says GNOME Web Browser. I don't think it is since already before our name was Epiphany and we didn't use that there, so we have been inconsistent for a while. Someone also complained that saying The Web developers in our About copyright section is potentially confusing, which I think is a fair point (see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671831). I think changing that to say The GNOME Web developers might be worth of the string break, but not for the rest. Xan ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Last GNOME 3.4 Blocker Report
Hi! Someone also complained that saying The Web developers in our About copyright section is potentially confusing, which I think is a fair point (see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671831). I think changing that to say The GNOME Web developers might be worth of the string break, but not for the rest. From an i18n point I can only say that this sounds more like people of the GNOME project doing web development instead of people creating a GNOME web browser. So this is still highly confusing. We do you push it so hard to avoid the term browser? Browser has been used by non-tech people for a couple of years now. Regards, Johannes P.S.: Cleared CC list a bit signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Last GNOME 3.4 Blocker Report
On Tue, 2012-03-20 at 18:04 +0100, Johannes Schmid wrote: We do you push it so hard to avoid the term browser? Browser has been used by non-tech people for a couple of years now. Because most people do not know what a browser is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MwTvtyrUQ I normally prefer to say the application that displays web pages when talking to non-tech people. andre -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net | failed http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Last GNOME 3.4 Blocker Report
On Mar 20, 2012 9:27 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: I normally prefer to say the application that displays web pages when talking to non-tech people. The GNOME Web Blue e ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Last GNOME 3.4 Blocker Report
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 22:27, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: On Tue, 2012-03-20 at 18:04 +0100, Johannes Schmid wrote: We do you push it so hard to avoid the term browser? Browser has been used by non-tech people for a couple of years now. Because most people do not know what a browser is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MwTvtyrUQ for scientific honesty, this video is of course not a proof that most people do not know what a browser is. But it is a funny video. Not saying that they know, though. I normally prefer to say the application that displays web pages when talking to non-tech people. andre -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net | failed http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Last GNOME 3.4 Blocker Report
On Tue, 2012-03-20 at 21:27 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote: On Tue, 2012-03-20 at 18:04 +0100, Johannes Schmid wrote: We do you push it so hard to avoid the term browser? Browser has been used by non-tech people for a couple of years now. Because most people do not know what a browser is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MwTvtyrUQ I normally prefer to say the application that displays web pages when talking to non-tech people. Yeah, but how many of those people are going to go to an About dialog. And if they do, are they really going to be any less confused by The GNOME Web developers? That sounds to me like the people who work on gnome.org. I wouldn't count on a stray capital letter to convey semantic information. -- Shaun ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Last GNOME 3.4 Blocker Report
On Tue, 2012-03-20 at 16:42 -0400, Shaun McCance wrote: On Tue, 2012-03-20 at 21:27 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote: On Tue, 2012-03-20 at 18:04 +0100, Johannes Schmid wrote: We do you push it so hard to avoid the term browser? Browser has been used by non-tech people for a couple of years now. Because most people do not know what a browser is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MwTvtyrUQ I normally prefer to say the application that displays web pages when talking to non-tech people. Yeah, but how many of those people are going to go to an About dialog. And if they do, are they really going to be any less confused by The GNOME Web developers? That sounds to me like the people who work on gnome.org. I wouldn't count on a stray capital letter to convey semantic information. Taking this just a bit further, I understand the reasoning behind debranding the core apps. GNOME is the brand, and it just comes with all this awesome stuff built in. But I do think it's going to make it harder for people to use Google as a support tool. So I entered firefox problem into Google to see its autocomplete suggestions, then s/firefox/gnome web/. Are these search phrases likely to produce helpful results? gnome web problem loading page gnome web problem with facebook gnome web problem with flash Just something to chew on. -- Shaun ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Last GNOME 3.4 Blocker Report
On 20 March 2012 16:57, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: Yeah, but how many of those people are going to go to an About dialog. And if they do, are they really going to be any less confused by The GNOME Web developers? That sounds to me like the people who work on gnome.org. I wouldn't count on a stray capital letter to convey semantic information. And as was already stated on the i18n list, there are billions of people whose native language does not include capital letters. Jeremy Bicha ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Last GNOME 3.4 Blocker Report
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 23:11, Jeremy Bicha jbi...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 20 March 2012 16:57, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: Yeah, but how many of those people are going to go to an About dialog. And if they do, are they really going to be any less confused by The GNOME Web developers? That sounds to me like the people who work on gnome.org. I wouldn't count on a stray capital letter to convey semantic information. And as was already stated on the i18n list, there are billions of people whose native language does not include capital letters. indeed, and also some languages who already use a capitalised Web for the world wide web ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Last GNOME 3.4 Blocker Report
GNOME 3.4.0 will be released in one week. Later today is HARD CODE FREEZE (but you can always ask the release-team for exceptions). This is a list of potential release blockers plus some should-fix tickets. This list is not necessarily complete. Feedback, updates, help from packagers, developers, maintainers, contributors, etc. is welcome. Please do speak up if some important bugs are not listed here. andre == AT-SPI === Orca commands are sometimes passed through to the application https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671976 === CHEESE === All buttons disabled. Can not take photo or video. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671357 === CLUTTER-GTK === floating toolbar not working (in Empathy) https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=670874 === EPIPHANY === There are still references to the GNOME web browser on translations https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671424 Would require string freeze breaks. === GDM === [PATCH] add automatic multi seat support https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=655380 === GNOME-CONTROL-CENTER === Trying to add a new language: crash while typing in the search field before the language list is completely populated https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671693 Good stacktrace available. === GNOME-SESSION === fail whale extension list looks bad https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671693 Needs more information and testing. [PATCH] Need signal matching Setenv dbus method so apps in initialization phase can update their env too https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=662528 Five patches available awaiting review for two months now gnome-session no longer starts desktop files under /usr/share/gdm/autostart/LoginWindow https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=663721 Inline patch that needs more work available === GNOME-SHELL === Be able to ask for IM account password https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=658961 Patch reviewed and needs updating; would require okay from gnome-i18n@ Extension loading is broken in 3.3.90 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=670477 Confirmed by another user [PATCH] networkAgent: Fix external-ui dialogs https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671556 Patch needs another review and commit [PATCH] Orca doesn't present Overview name when this is focused https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671378 Patch adds two new strings, needs okay from gnome-i18n@ restart by typing r in the gnome-shell run-dialog 2x in one minute brings up the oops window https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=648384 [NEEDINFO] Gnome 3.0 and 3.2 crashing when disabling wireless https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=668388 Stuck as no news have been provided. Might unmark this soon. == -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net | failed http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Last GNOME 3.4 Blocker Report
Le lundi 19 mars 2012, à 09:51 +0100, Andre Klapper a écrit : Please do speak up if some important bugs are not listed here. I'd like to add this GTK+ bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=657385 Some change in GTK+ introspection broke the python bindings, and require an incompatible change there. Martin suggests to revert that change. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Last GNOME 3.4 Blocker Report
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 4:51 AM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: === GNOME-SESSION === fail whale extension list looks bad https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671693 Needs more information and testing. Nope. [PATCH] Need signal matching Setenv dbus method so apps in initialization phase can update their env too https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=662528 Five patches available awaiting review for two months now === GNOME-SHELL === Be able to ask for IM account password https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=658961 Patch reviewed and needs updating; would require okay from gnome-i18n@ The patch is very old, I don't think it will get updated in time. Extension loading is broken in 3.3.90 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=670477 Confirmed by another user I'm going to mark this as a distro packaging bug until I hear otherwise -- rpath should be set properly, and it works in Fedora and jhbuild. [PATCH] networkAgent: Fix external-ui dialogs https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671556 Patch needs another review and commit [PATCH] Orca doesn't present Overview name when this is focused https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671378 Patch adds two new strings, needs okay from gnome-i18n@ restart by typing r in the gnome-shell run-dialog 2x in one minute brings up the oops window https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=648384 Patch is committed and should work - just requires testing from someone with a 3.4 gnome-session. (Paging Dr. Colin ostree Walters) [NEEDINFO] Gnome 3.0 and 3.2 crashing when disabling wireless https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=668388 Stuck as no news have been provided. Might unmark this soon. What can we do if we have nothing to go on? == -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net | failed http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list - Jasper ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Last GNOME 3.4 Blocker Report
Hi, === GDM === [PATCH] add automatic multi seat support https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=655380 I plan on looking at this one before doing the release --Ray ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
