[dev-biblio] Re: [users-biblio] JabRef - OpenOffice integration
Hello, I agree that the bibliographic functionning need not be within OpenOffice, however just to remind you : Zotero is not the only working example out there , Bibus integrates nicely with OO and Word without using the OO integrated database. Oliver On 6 Dec 2007 at 20:53, Morten Omholt Alver wrote: Date sent: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:53:05 +0100 From: Morten Omholt Alver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copies to: dev@bibliographic.openoffice.org Subject:Re: [users-biblio] JabRef - OpenOffice integration On 05/12/2007, Bruce D'Arcus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 5, 2007 9:21 AM, Morten Omholt Alver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other thing is whether OpenOffice will support CSL, or if we need to transform it ourselves into OO's bibliography structure? I understand that this could possibly be a difficult question to answer at the moment. I have talked with the ODF TC about formally including CSL in the ODF spec, so that may happen at some point. But I would consider the existing support in OOo and ODF as legacy that will at some point get deprecated. Indeed, Zotero completely bypasses it now. That's an interesting thought. So Zotero creates and formats its own bibliography field without even touching the built-in bibliography features? I hadn't really considered that option, but I can imagine that this wouldn't be too difficult. It would also let us bypass the limitations of the bibliography system. I need to learn more about using the UNO API... -- Morten _ Oliver Brendel UMR Ecologie et Ecophysiologie Forestiere INRA - Centre de Nancy 54280 ChampenouxFrance [EMAIL PROTECTED] TEL 0033/383/394100 FAX /394022 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev-biblio] Re: [users-biblio] JabRef - OpenOffice integration
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: So I'd like to see if we can work with developers from Zotero, JabRef, etc. to enhance that baseline support. If out that some other developer start to build the integrated tool we originally envisioned, that's great. But I don't think we can depend on that panning out. And in any case, as I say, it's not an either/or choice; just a question of immediate priorities. Bruce As a start, I have set up a wiki page to assist in the managing of Zotero plugin issues. There is not much there yet and I invite interested people to add to it. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Zotero_Plugin regards David -- --- David N. Wilson Co-Project Lead for the Bibliographic OpenOffice.org Project http://bibliographic.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[dev-biblio] Re: [users-biblio] JabRef - OpenOffice integration
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that the bibliographic functionning need not be within OpenOffice, however just to remind you : Zotero is not the only working example out there , Bibus integrates nicely with OO and Word without using the OO integrated database. True enough. But to be blunt, Zotero is the only working example that I consider adequate to the full range of citation practice. Bibus adopts the very limited BibTeX-based data model of ODF 1.0. This already means its limited mostly to the hard sciences. For that reason alone, I can't use it. Zotero, OTOH, supports a fuller data model. It also supports a fuller range of citation practices common in the social sciences and humanities (and hopefully law): - automatic footnoting of note-based references - support for ibid. - first/subsequent references forms - prefix and suffix notes - page, line, etc. locators for citations These kinds of details can impact implementation of course. But I'd love to see a variety of projects (including Bibus) help us to figure out how to move forward and hopefully converge on a generic solution for integration. To me the ultimate goal is that different users, using different bibliographic applications AND different ODF editors (perhaps even Word) can pass around their documents and have the citations remain live. There's a bit of work to do before we can get there of course! BTW, see Mathias Bauer's recent post no field enhancements coming in OOo 2.4. http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/custom_properties_and_fields That could be an interim solution before the new text:meta-field from ODF 1.2 gets implemented that would give us better functionality and interop with Word. Bruce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
