Re: [ALL] parent uses commons.encoding=iso-8859-1; change to UTF-8?
https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022#overview shows professional use of OS by developers has Windows below 50%, more than Mac or Linux but less than the combination of the two. The JetBrains 2021 survey also shows Mac + Linux > Windows: https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/devecosystem-2021/ (2022 doesn't seem to have asked that question) And if you've visited any US tech company or conference in the last ten years, you're familiar with the sea of MacBooks in the audience. Yes, there'll be a number of Thinkpads and those are as often as not running Linux. Maybe things are different outside the US, but in the US it's not even close. As a development platform, Windows is primarily used by programmers writing Windows apps, a large market but not one served by Java. It also has some traction in enterprises that have standardized on Windows across devs and non-devs alike. It's silly to stay on ISO-8859-1 for a very minor convenience to American and European Windows developers (an even smaller minority than Windows developers since not Windows machines outside Latin-alphabet languages already use other character sets.) UTF-8 is the standard, well-supported character encoding for everyone. On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 12:50 PM Gary Gregory wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 8:43 AM Elliotte Rusty Harold > wrote: > > > > +1 > > > > Using anything other than UTF-8 is a bug. > > > > There are more Java developers on Linux and Mac these days than > > Windows, nor will development tools on Windows have any problem with > > this. > > There is obviously no way to know that. > > Gary > > > > > On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 10:16 AM sebb wrote: > > > > > > As the subject says - it seems wrong to be using iso-8859-1 these days > > > as the default encoding. > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > Sebb > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > > > > > > > > -- > > Elliotte Rusty Harold > > elh...@ibiblio.org > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > -- Elliotte Rusty Harold elh...@ibiblio.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [ALL] parent uses commons.encoding=iso-8859-1; change to UTF-8?
On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 8:43 AM Elliotte Rusty Harold wrote: > > +1 > > Using anything other than UTF-8 is a bug. > > There are more Java developers on Linux and Mac these days than > Windows, nor will development tools on Windows have any problem with > this. There is obviously no way to know that. Gary > > On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 10:16 AM sebb wrote: > > > > As the subject says - it seems wrong to be using iso-8859-1 these days > > as the default encoding. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Sebb > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > > > > -- > Elliotte Rusty Harold > elh...@ibiblio.org > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [ALL] parent uses commons.encoding=iso-8859-1; change to UTF-8?
+1 Using anything other than UTF-8 is a bug. There are more Java developers on Linux and Mac these days than Windows, nor will development tools on Windows have any problem with this. On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 10:16 AM sebb wrote: > > As the subject says - it seems wrong to be using iso-8859-1 these days > as the default encoding. > > Thoughts? > > Sebb > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > -- Elliotte Rusty Harold elh...@ibiblio.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: [ALL] parent uses commons.encoding=iso-8859-1; change to UTF-8?
That will likely mess up some people on Windows or who have that encoding as their default OS encoding (Windows in US at least). The good news is that modern Java 18 IIRC switched to UTF-8. Gary On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 6:17 AM sebb wrote: > > As the subject says - it seems wrong to be using iso-8859-1 these days > as the default encoding. > > Thoughts? > > Sebb > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
