Re: 0.9.0 Delay or Release?
@Kerr that 0.9 does not imply next release is 1.0. Yeah, I was originally confused by that too! But, then I re-read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_versioning#Software_versioning_schemes And, now I'm cool as a cucumber, WRT having 0.10 or even 0.1000...! LOL, it helps when I RTFM, I guess. :^P Cheers, Zach
0.9.0 Delay or Release?
The 0.9.0 release has been dragging on forever as I try to get the replication security stuff working. Unfortunately I've stalled out on it and I'm not sure when I'll be able to finish it to production quality. Could be a week, could be a month. I've been feeling likes its only a week away for about a month now, and I keep getting pulled into other stuff and its hard to get back on track. It's pretty involved stuff, so its not like someone can just take of with it and finish it in a reasonable amount of time, but anyone iswelcome to try (branches/rep_security). So I'm wondering if we should just forget it for 0.9.0 and release it without. It won't be beta yet and the security stuff useless as it is now now, but all the other stuff that's in 0.9 will still be there. Thoughts please. -Damien
Re: 0.9.0 Delay or Release?
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 09:29:46AM -0500, Damien Katz wrote: So I'm wondering if we should just forget it for 0.9.0 and release it without. It won't be beta yet and the security stuff useless as it is now now, but all the other stuff that's in 0.9 will still be there. Thoughts please. I would be inclined to wait a little, and include it. Where's the rush? -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater
Re: 0.9.0 Delay or Release?
Well, because there is no official release to tell people to use, except 0.8.1. That's over 6 months old now, we have a bunch of new features and bug fixes and performance improvements since then. -Damien On Feb 9, 2009, at 9:33 AM, Noah Slater wrote: On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 09:29:46AM -0500, Damien Katz wrote: So I'm wondering if we should just forget it for 0.9.0 and release it without. It won't be beta yet and the security stuff useless as it is now now, but all the other stuff that's in 0.9 will still be there. Thoughts please. I would be inclined to wait a little, and include it. Where's the rush? -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater
Re: 0.9.0 Delay or Release?
Damien Katz wrote: The 0.9.0 release has been dragging on forever as I try to get the replication security stuff working. Unfortunately I've stalled out on it and I'm not sure when I'll be able to finish it to production quality. Could be a week, could be a month. I've been feeling likes its only a week away for about a month now, and I keep getting pulled into other stuff and its hard to get back on track. It's pretty involved stuff, so its not like someone can just take of with it and finish it in a reasonable amount of time, but anyone iswelcome to try (branches/rep_security). So I'm wondering if we should just forget it for 0.9.0 and release it without. It won't be beta yet and the security stuff useless as it is now now, but all the other stuff that's in 0.9 will still be there. Thoughts please. -Damien From my driver developer point of view, the prolonged preparation for 0.9 is a bit of a inconvenience. As it is I stopped doing releases for now to keep the old release 0.8.1 compatible and only commit fixes for 0.9 into trunk for now. I would welcome an early 0.9 release -- and seeing all those issues of people trying to use 0.9 features in 0.8.1 seems to show that I am not the only one. Regards, Sven Helmberger
Re: 0.9.0 Delay or Release?
+1 from another driver developer Sent from my G1 google phone On Feb 9, 2009 9:05 AM, Sven Helmberger sven.helmber...@gmx.de wrote: Damien Katz wrote: The 0.9.0 release has been dragging on forever as I try to get the replicatio... From my driver developer point of view, the prolonged preparation for 0.9 is a bit of a inconvenience. As it is I stopped doing releases for now to keep the old release 0.8.1 compatible and only commit fixes for 0.9 into trunk for now. I would welcome an early 0.9 release -- and seeing all those issues of people trying to use 0.9 features in 0.8.1 seems to show that I am not the only one. Regards, Sven Helmberger
Re: 0.9.0 Delay or Release?
On Feb 9, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Zachary Zolton wrote: Hmm... I can see what Damien is say though, it would be nice to show a proper release, given the significant changes. Is there any way we could do a 0.9 release, and then release 0.9.1 with security/replication merged in? The change is too big for a minor release, it breaks some on disk stuff and the replication protocol. It would have to wait until 0.10.0. -Damien
Re: 0.9.0 Delay or Release?
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Zachary Zolton zachary.zol...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm... I can see what Damien is say though, it would be nice to show a proper release, given the significant changes. Is there any way we could do a 0.9 release, and then release 0.9.1 with security/replication merged in? Or at least make a 0.10 release that's a quick follow up. I'd rather have a few versions closer together than too few versions too far apart. Besides, with all the recent newbie attention (myself included!) it'd be nice to give the external package maintainers (ie Mac Ports) something to do... And then folks could be running fairly-recent code. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Jan Lehnardt j...@apache.org wrote: On 9 Feb 2009, at 15:38, Damien Katz wrote: Well, because there is no official release to tell people to use, except 0.8.1. That's over 6 months old now, we have a bunch of new features and bug fixes and performance improvements since then. I agree with Noah that we are in no rush and I'd rather see this integrated. Trunk is easy enough to work with for interested parties. Cheers Jan -- On Feb 9, 2009, at 9:33 AM, Noah Slater wrote: On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 09:29:46AM -0500, Damien Katz wrote: So I'm wondering if we should just forget it for 0.9.0 and release it without. It won't be beta yet and the security stuff useless as it is now now, but all the other stuff that's in 0.9 will still be there. Thoughts please. I would be inclined to wait a little, and include it. Where's the rush? -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater
Re: 0.9.0 Delay or Release?
Hmm... I can see what Damien is say though, it would be nice to show a proper release, given the significant changes. Is there any way we could do a 0.9 release, and then release 0.9.1 with security/replication merged in? Besides, with all the recent newbie attention (myself included!) it'd be nice to give the external package maintainers (ie Mac Ports) something to do... And then folks could be running fairly-recent code. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Jan Lehnardt j...@apache.org wrote: On 9 Feb 2009, at 15:38, Damien Katz wrote: Well, because there is no official release to tell people to use, except 0.8.1. That's over 6 months old now, we have a bunch of new features and bug fixes and performance improvements since then. I agree with Noah that we are in no rush and I'd rather see this integrated. Trunk is easy enough to work with for interested parties. Cheers Jan -- On Feb 9, 2009, at 9:33 AM, Noah Slater wrote: On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 09:29:46AM -0500, Damien Katz wrote: So I'm wondering if we should just forget it for 0.9.0 and release it without. It won't be beta yet and the security stuff useless as it is now now, but all the other stuff that's in 0.9 will still be there. Thoughts please. I would be inclined to wait a little, and include it. Where's the rush? -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater
Re: 0.9.0 Delay or Release?
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 16:15, Paul Davis paul.joseph.da...@gmail.com wrote: Or at least make a 0.10 release that's a quick follow up. I'd rather have a few versions closer together than too few versions too far apart. I'd like that, too. I'm on trunk now, because it has a bunch of good stuff that's not in 0.8.1, but it would be nicer if there was a release I could refer people to. Cheers, Dirkjan
Re: 0.9.0 Delay or Release?
I see. Those two big features do make sense as a minor version. Would you say this is a fair rhetorical base for discussion? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_versioning#Change_significance On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Paul Davis paul.joseph.da...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Zachary Zolton zachary.zol...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm... I can see what Damien is say though, it would be nice to show a proper release, given the significant changes. Is there any way we could do a 0.9 release, and then release 0.9.1 with security/replication merged in? Or at least make a 0.10 release that's a quick follow up. I'd rather have a few versions closer together than too few versions too far apart. Besides, with all the recent newbie attention (myself included!) it'd be nice to give the external package maintainers (ie Mac Ports) something to do... And then folks could be running fairly-recent code. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Jan Lehnardt j...@apache.org wrote: On 9 Feb 2009, at 15:38, Damien Katz wrote: Well, because there is no official release to tell people to use, except 0.8.1. That's over 6 months old now, we have a bunch of new features and bug fixes and performance improvements since then. I agree with Noah that we are in no rush and I'd rather see this integrated. Trunk is easy enough to work with for interested parties. Cheers Jan -- On Feb 9, 2009, at 9:33 AM, Noah Slater wrote: On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 09:29:46AM -0500, Damien Katz wrote: So I'm wondering if we should just forget it for 0.9.0 and release it without. It won't be beta yet and the security stuff useless as it is now now, but all the other stuff that's in 0.9 will still be there. Thoughts please. I would be inclined to wait a little, and include it. Where's the rush? -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater
Re: 0.9.0 Delay or Release?
On 9 Feb 2009, at 15:29, Damien Katz wrote: ... the security stuff useless as it is now now, but all the other stuff that's in 0.9 will still be there. Thoughts please. Does it make sense to back out the not yet useful security stuff and run a non-beta 0.9 and a beta 0.10 release not long after that? Cheers Jan --
Re: 0.9.0 Delay or Release?
The security stuff that's in trunk now doesn't break things, so it doesn't have to be removed. But it doesn't work with replication at all yet, so its not useful IMO. -Damien On Feb 9, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Jan Lehnardt wrote: On 9 Feb 2009, at 15:29, Damien Katz wrote: ... the security stuff useless as it is now now, but all the other stuff that's in 0.9 will still be there. Thoughts please. Does it make sense to back out the not yet useful security stuff and run a non-beta 0.9 and a beta 0.10 release not long after that? Cheers Jan --
Re: 0.9.0 Delay or Release?
So it is effectively stale code that probably should not be in a release. Alternatively: - leave as is and don't document it. - modify API that any use of the API results in an error. The first is probably the better way to go if we decide to do an on-schedule 0.9 Cheers Jan -- On 9 Feb 2009, at 16:41, Damien Katz wrote: The security stuff that's in trunk now doesn't break things, so it doesn't have to be removed. But it doesn't work with replication at all yet, so its not useful IMO. -Damien On Feb 9, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Jan Lehnardt wrote: On 9 Feb 2009, at 15:29, Damien Katz wrote: ... the security stuff useless as it is now now, but all the other stuff that's in 0.9 will still be there. Thoughts please. Does it make sense to back out the not yet useful security stuff and run a non-beta 0.9 and a beta 0.10 release not long after that? Cheers Jan --
Re: 0.9.0 Delay or Release?
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Jan Lehnardt j...@apache.org wrote: So it is effectively stale code that probably should not be in a release. Alternatively: - leave as is and don't document it. - modify API that any use of the API results in an error. The first is probably the better way to go if we decide to do an on-schedule 0.9 There's plenty of stuff on the 0.9 blocker list: https://issues.apache.org:443/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=truepid=12310780priority=1status=1status=3status=4fixfor=12313208sorter/field=issuekeysorter/order=DESC So I'd suggest we finish that off, and then see where Damien is on the replication work. If he's close at that point, we can spend the time doing optimizations and refinements that maybe would have waited for 0.9.1. Also there is always plenty of work to be done on documentation if we are trying to stall. ;) If Damien's not close, and we're otherwise ready for a release, then let's discuss it again. -- Chris Anderson http://jchris.mfdz.com
Re: 0.9.0 Delay or Release?
Why not put out a 0.85 or something, holding 0.9 for what you wish to complete? geir On Feb 9, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Damien Katz wrote: The security stuff that's in trunk now doesn't break things, so it doesn't have to be removed. But it doesn't work with replication at all yet, so its not useful IMO. -Damien On Feb 9, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Jan Lehnardt wrote: On 9 Feb 2009, at 15:29, Damien Katz wrote: ... the security stuff useless as it is now now, but all the other stuff that's in 0.9 will still be there. Thoughts please. Does it make sense to back out the not yet useful security stuff and run a non-beta 0.9 and a beta 0.10 release not long after that? Cheers Jan --
