Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: Helpcontent changes in m57

2009-09-08 Thread Ivo Hinkelmann

Hi Frank,

FYI ... we will branch the OOo 3.2 source tree from milestone m59 . But 
to get your cws into this m59 the cws needs to be nominated till 9 / 11


Cheers,
Ivo

Frank Peters schrieb:

I found the following for m57:

2130 paragraphs changed in total
 961 paragraphs only changed due to introduction of item,
 change from emph - item or introduction of insignificant
 space chars.

We will try to roll back those 961 changes for the next
helpcontent2 CWS back to m54 state.

All other changes are significant content changes
that won't be rolled back.

Replacing {ENTER ALTERNATIVE...} by icon is actually
fixing an older bug and will not be rolled back. This
applies to 82 paragraphs.

Same for changing icon size attributes. You can safely ignore
changes of the height/width attributes for images. Those will be
removed from the source and the localized strings during
a content cleanup at a later date which will be coordinated
with L10N groups and done via script on sdf.

Sorry again for the inconvenience. The next milestone
aith the helpcontent CWS integrated will contain the
abovementioned adjustments. I suggest not to put
m57 content to Pootle (if that is possible).

Thanks
Frank


Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

Actually, the AD3 happened before (with some previous milestone), but
with m57 these {ENTER ALTERNATIVE...} English string parts might
have gotten replaced by Icon again. However, also icon sizes changed
in several spots.

Lp, m.

2009/9/7 Frank Peters f...@sun.com:

As reported by Martin, Ain and others helpcontent2 introduced
numerous changes partly due to a bug in the creation tools and
partly due to communication issues. As far as I understood,
these changes affect the following:

1. Replacement of emph by item type=menuitem elements
2. Occurrence of extra, multiple spaces, sometimes trailing
3. Icon alt text says {ENTER ALTERNATIVE...} instead of icon

We apologize for the inconvenience this is causing and would
like to learn from you how to resolve this issue.

We need to know if we should roll back the changes listed
above that were introduced with m57 (this does not apply
to the relevant content changes, just the changes
listed above).

*It's important that we get feedback by tomorrow, or else
our deadline fort the last help cws runs out*

After this release, we'll start a discussion on how
to efficiently clean up the source code without
l10n impact (e.g. getting rid of the image size attributes).

Thanks
Frank

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[documentation-dev] Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: Helpcontent changes in m57

2009-09-07 Thread Rafaella Braconi

Hi Translators/Localizers,

On 09/07/09 14:50, Frank Peters wrote:

As reported by Martin, Ain and others helpcontent2 introduced
numerous changes partly due to a bug in the creation tools and
partly due to communication issues. As far as I understood,
these changes affect the following:

1. Replacement of emph by item type=menuitem elements
2. Occurrence of extra, multiple spaces, sometimes trailing
3. Icon alt text says {ENTER ALTERNATIVE...} instead of icon

We apologize for the inconvenience this is causing and would
like to learn from you how to resolve this issue.

We need to know if we should roll back the changes listed
above that were introduced with m57 (this does not apply
to the relevant content changes, just the changes
listed above).

*It's important that we get feedback by tomorrow, or else
our deadline fort the last help cws runs out*
I agree with Frank that it is important to get your feedback and your GO 
before we roll back the changes/issues listed above.


Thanks,
Rafaella

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[documentation-dev] Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: Helpcontent changes in m57

2009-09-07 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi,

 Original-Nachricht 
 Von: Rafaella Braconi rafaella.brac...@sun.com

 
  We need to know if we should roll back the changes listed
  above that were introduced with m57 (this does not apply
  to the relevant content changes, just the changes
  listed above).
 
 I agree with Frank that it is important to get your feedback and your GO 
 before we roll back the changes/issues listed above.
 


I have no probelm with rolling back those changes introduced in m57.

As we are working on pootle, we are just doing the translations for
m54. as these are partially done, please no not rollback changes from
m54.

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[documentation-dev] Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: Helpcontent changes in m57

2009-09-07 Thread Rafaella Braconi

Hi Andre'

On 09/07/09 15:22, Andre Schnabel wrote:

Hi,

 Original-Nachricht 
  

Von: Rafaella Braconi rafaella.brac...@sun.com



  

We need to know if we should roll back the changes listed
above that were introduced with m57 (this does not apply
to the relevant content changes, just the changes
listed above).

  
I agree with Frank that it is important to get your feedback and your GO 
before we roll back the changes/issues listed above.






I have no probelm with rolling back those changes introduced in m57.

As we are working on pootle, we are just doing the translations for
m54. as these are partially done, please no not rollback changes from
m54.
  
for the moment, the Pootle content reflects m54. However, once the CWSs 
with the new feature and contents are integrated and we have a new 
milestone, we will have to update Pootle with the latest milestone


Rafaella


Re: [documentation-dev] Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: Helpcontent changes in m57

2009-09-07 Thread Uwe Fischer

On 09/07/09 15:28, Rafaella Braconi wrote:

Hi Andre'

On 09/07/09 15:22, Andre Schnabel wrote:

Hi,

 Original-Nachricht 
 

Von: Rafaella Braconi rafaella.brac...@sun.com



 

We need to know if we should roll back the changes listed
above that were introduced with m57 (this does not apply
to the relevant content changes, just the changes
listed above).

  
I agree with Frank that it is important to get your feedback and your 
GO before we roll back the changes/issues listed above.






I have no probelm with rolling back those changes introduced in m57.

As we are working on pootle, we are just doing the translations for
m54. as these are partially done, please no not rollback changes from
m54.
  
for the moment, the Pootle content reflects m54. However, once the CWSs 
with the new feature and contents are integrated and we have a new 
milestone, we will have to update Pootle with the latest milestone





the CWS hcshared22 introduced most of the unwelcome and not intended 
changes to m57.
However, the next and final OOo 3.2 Help CWS hcshared23 will follow in 
less than a week from now. And we can change things back there in the 
sources, if this is what the stakeholders in the community want.


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