Re: [Marketing] www-openoffice.com are they authorised to sell at $49

2006-08-05 Thread Graham
Neville Daniels wrote:
 Dear Sir/Madam

 Is http://www-openoffice.com authorised to sell OpenOffice?

Not authorised as such but then they don't need to be.  Anyone can
sell it for whatever price they wish.  That's part of the license.

Cheers
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Re: [Marketing] www-openoffice.com are they authorised to sell at $49

2006-08-05 Thread André Wyrwa

Hi,

Neville Daniels wrote:

Dear Sir/Madam

Is http://www-openoffice.com authorised to sell OpenOffice?


Funny.

There are just too many smart asses out there.

They surely have the right to take money for that. Morally, it's even 
justifyable that they have themselves paid for the 8 weeks included 
support that they offer. Though it's odd that at the same time they 
offer 8 weeks money back warranty, so one could buy it, make use of the 
support and then return the product?


However, the one thing that concerns me here... does the LGPL not 
require mention of the original authors? And does it not require 
publishing the source? I can't find any reference to OOo on the page nor 
any mention of the source. But i might just be under a wrong impression 
concerning what the LGPL actually sais.


André.

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Re: [Marketing] www-openoffice.com are they authorised to sell at $49

2006-08-05 Thread Ian Lynch
On Sat, 2006-08-05 at 20:42 +1000, André Wyrwa wrote:
 Hei,
 
 just having a thought about these kind of business approaches...
 
 Would it make sense to write a Firefox extension that acts as a 
 phishing filter kind of thing for distributors that violate OSS licences?
 
 I'm imagining something that pops up a little note saying this site 
 asks you to pay for something you could have for free here:  .
 
 Of course this is kind of a self-contained approach, because Firefox 
 users usually are already a bit more OSS aware and the majority of 
 mislead users potentially use IE to surf the net, right?

But not a bad idea because you only need a few new FF users to say hey
this is neat, it warns you about rip offs and so they tell their friends
who might then install FF because its a useful feature. Snag is if it
could have legal implications if it was implied that someone's site was
violating a license when it wasn't. What would be useful would be to
inform anyone visiting any site selling or supporting proprietary
software that there was a free alternative at ...and we recommend you
take a look. 

Ian
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Re: [Marketing] www-openoffice.com are they authorised to sell at $49

2006-08-05 Thread Chad Smith

On 8/5/06, Kaj Kandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


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Hi Chad,
great you chime in on this. However, I think if you do what you are
saying should there not be an obligation to change at least the name of
the product.



There is nothing in the LGPL about names.  As I said, trademark restrictions
are another matter.  I'm jsut talking about the LGPL here.


If distribution of object code is made by offering access to copy from

a designated place, then offering equivalent access to copy the source
code from the same place satisfies the requirement to distribute the
source code, even though third parties are not compelled to copy the
source along with the object code.



What does the last line say there?  Third parties are not compelled to copy
the source along with the object code.  If www-openoffice.org didn't change
the code - then they would be considered a third party.  If they changed the
code, and they distributed their new code under the LGPL, then they would
have to distribute it.  Otherwise I'd have to give my buddy a copy of the
source on the CD everytime I burned them a copy of the program or I would be
in violation of the LGPL (because my friend got the binary from me on CD,
the source would also have to be available from me on CD, according to your
same-place, same-media logic.)

Your example of the FSF going after Linux distros is different, because they
modified the code.

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