Re: [nomination] Apache openoffice chair
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 9:37 AM, RA Stehmann anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de wrote: On 26.01.2015 15:20, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 7:17 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: Hi Several private emails, during the previous vote (meaning too late to change anything), have persuaded me to reconsider. Self nomination is generally not a good thing, but Andrea has asked me specifically to send this mail, to stop any confusion (or rumors) about my role. I am available, if the community wants me as chair (and PMC) without time limit. But is there a limit on how many times one can vocally resign from a community before one loses credibility? Not one or two times, not seven times and not seven multiplied by seventyseven times. Specifically, I'm asking about when someone repeatedly shows an attitude of If you don't do it my way I will resign. I'm concerned that this temprement is not very conducive to being a PMC Chair. The attitude, more than the numbers, is what matters. The repetition, of course, confirms the attitude. Regards, -Rob Kind regards Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [nomination] Apache openoffice chair
jan i wrote: I am available, if the community wants me as chair (and PMC) without time limit. (Answering both messages in one) OK, so we have two candidates, which is great! Thank you Dennis. Thank you Jan. I appreciate the availability of both of you and your sense of responsibility. Your candidacy will hopefully be met by the PMC with a large participation in the vote and with a positive, constructive, attitude. I'll start a vote soon, while it lasts... and again, thank you both for helping move this project forward. OpenOffice needs people like you. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [nomination] Apache openoffice chair
On 26.01.2015 15:20, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 7:17 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: Hi Several private emails, during the previous vote (meaning too late to change anything), have persuaded me to reconsider. Self nomination is generally not a good thing, but Andrea has asked me specifically to send this mail, to stop any confusion (or rumors) about my role. I am available, if the community wants me as chair (and PMC) without time limit. But is there a limit on how many times one can vocally resign from a community before one loses credibility? Not one or two times, not seven times and not seven multiplied by seventyseven times. Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [nomination] Apache openoffice chair
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: jan i wrote: I am available, if the community wants me as chair (and PMC) without time limit. (Answering both messages in one) OK, so we have two candidates, which is great! I must have missed it, but when did you call for nominations? And how long are we giving to nominations? And can we have an explanation why the results of the last vote were just ignored? -Rob Thank you Dennis. Thank you Jan. I appreciate the availability of both of you and your sense of responsibility. Your candidacy will hopefully be met by the PMC with a large participation in the vote and with a positive, constructive, attitude. I'll start a vote soon, while it lasts... and again, thank you both for helping move this project forward. OpenOffice needs people like you. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [nomination] Apache openoffice chair
I hav On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:17 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: Hi Several private emails, during the previous vote (meaning too late to change anything), have persuaded me to reconsider. Self nomination is generally not a good thing, but Andrea has asked me specifically to send this mail, to stop any confusion (or rumors) about my role. I am available, if the community wants me as chair (and PMC) without time limit. I promise to do the chair duties as defined by ASF, everything else depends on the PMC. I think Dennis will make a good chair/PMC, he is a lot better connected to AOO than me while I am relatively well connected within apache (have a look at people.apache.org) Just avoid any misunderstandings, LABS (which is a very very silent project) elected me as chair earlier this month and I am also spending hours developing Corinthia. I prefer not to enter into a debate about the qualifications of Dennis and me, the community knows us both (I have not changed since I resigned). I hope our community get a working PMC with a lot more activity. rgds jan i -- Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings. I have to second your nomination, I know your work and I know that you are very focused on improving the open source community. Also that you are very invested with communities beyond the OpenOffice one, and have helped in infra for Apache. You are more than qualified to be n the PMC since you have a great deal of knowledge on how Apache as a whole works. I do however want to turn this into a question, what makes you go deeper into OpenOffice and if you will have enough time to complete whatever task you will take upon. However this is not to challenge your nomination just make sure that there is a plan and vision with having this position. -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor 882C 4389 3C27 E8DF 41B9 5C4C 1DB7 9D1C 7F4C 2614
Re: [nomination] Apache openoffice chair
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 7:17 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: Hi Several private emails, during the previous vote (meaning too late to change anything), have persuaded me to reconsider. Self nomination is generally not a good thing, but Andrea has asked me specifically to send this mail, to stop any confusion (or rumors) about my role. I am available, if the community wants me as chair (and PMC) without time limit. But is there a limit on how many times one can vocally resign from a community before one loses credibility? -Rob I promise to do the chair duties as defined by ASF, everything else depends on the PMC. I think Dennis will make a good chair/PMC, he is a lot better connected to AOO than me while I am relatively well connected within apache (have a look at people.apache.org) Just avoid any misunderstandings, LABS (which is a very very silent project) elected me as chair earlier this month and I am also spending hours developing Corinthia. I prefer not to enter into a debate about the qualifications of Dennis and me, the community knows us both (I have not changed since I resigned). I hope our community get a working PMC with a lot more activity. rgds jan i -- Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [NOMINATION] Dennis Hamilton for Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: It's my birthday and it just seemed a good idea to move the needle on Priority #1. I'm rather uncomfortable about self-nomination yet I figure the conversations and discussion are of value. I hereby nominate myself as the replacement for Andrea Pescetti as Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair. +1 -Rob RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE CHAIR My promise, if selected, is to faithfully deliver on the responsibilities of a PMC Chair as required of an Officer of the Foundation. APPROACH TO APACHE OPEN OFFICE With regard to the PMC, which I am not a member of, my promise is to serve as an effective member of that community and with particular attention to PMC responsibilities to the Foundation but also to the cultivation of a sustainable, thriving project. As an AOO committer, my personal itch is around intake of new developers and reducing the friction and learning curve that goes with that. I am also personally committed to furthering the interoperability among ODF-supporting products of all kinds in whatever ways that works for Apache OpenOffice. I have been training to become more involved in the code, as slow as I am at that. I am also interested in how user support can be broadened and materials brought current and highly-available. WHERE'S DENNIS BEEN? Folks who've been here since OpenOffice came to the ASF will recall that I was a member of the PPMC and did not continue after graduation to a Top Level Project. On the PPMC I was an initial committer and I contributed to administrative activities for some mailing lists, intake of new committers and PPMC members. I was particularly pleased to participate in the preservation of the OpenOffice Forums. I have no difficulty with administrative, procedural, and policy matters. My departure was more from recognition that I was not equipped to work on the code and that I did not just want to continue as an administrative resource. I also left the OASIS ODF TC around the same time. Meanwhile, I engaged in some training, including in security and cryptography, an interest of mine with respect to document privacy. Last year I became interested in change-tracking and I'm currently putting the final touches on two workshop papers I presented last September. I also did some course-work in software development and I am continuing that. It was renewed interest in tracked changes and other aspects of ODF interoperability that brought me back to following AOO lists. My participation has increased to the current level over the past few months. I also joined the Apache Corinthia Incubator as an initial committer and PPMC member of that newborn podling. NO REALLY, WHERE HAS DENNIS BEEN? I wrote my first line of code when I was 19. That was in May, 1958. I went through the usual progression of development from programmer to becoming a lead developer on what we called systems software, including assemblers, compilers and utilities for the machines of the time. I also did some programming-language design work. I had the good fortune to work at Sperry Univac, in Seattle, New York City, and Blue Bell Pennsylvania during the peak of Grace Hopper's presence there. Although she knew me, I did not do much directly with her (although I graded papers for her once when she was teaching a course in the Wharton School). Later I became a consultant, and after two tours at Xerox Corporation, serving as a software architect and technical-staff member, first in Rochester, New York, and finally in Palo Alto, I retired at the end of 1998. I recommend retirement as a career. I began working in industry standards when ASCII was a new-born and ALGOL 60 was expected to revolutionize programming. Document formats became of interest while I was at Xerox and I participated in development of consortium agreements for document management. Most of my internal work in my later Xerox years was around interoperability provisions of various kinds. I dug into OOXML and ODF only after my retirement when those standardization efforts were moving along. There are words of mine in both of those specifications. SO WHAT? Most of us are only acquainted on the Internet and, while I have met others on AOO, those occasions are rare and fleeting. More than that, I want to offer, in my nomination, an opportunity to say what doesn't work with regard to me personally. I welcome that. And please express more of what is wanted from the Project that is not happening and how any contributors are expected, not just the PMC and its Chair, to make a difference with respect to the expectations this community has. I respect all feedback and discussion and I will still be here whatever the outcome of this Priority #1 activity happens to be. I am not attached to being PMC Chair. I am offering to take on
PMC Chair nominations
Just a note in a dedicated thread to say that nominations for a new PMC Chair are to be considered open for three more days, to give others (Dennis and Jan already nominated themselves) the opportunity to run. Please consider that this comes after 26 days of discussions. So I strongly recommend that you nominate yourself or that you get explicit permission from your nominee, otherwise the risk of wasting time is high. Deadline: in 72 hours (so around 16.30 UTC on Thursday 29 January). Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL
On 26 Jan 2015, at 03:42, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: * One conceivable drawback is that Kivy also uses Kivy Language, for creating sophisticated user interfaces[,] though it does not seem to be required for creating naive UIs. Kivy is in Python and their conference presentations seem to be mostly at PyCons. One might wonder about the use of Python for something claiming speed as a virtue. Ouch. FC :-) They get around the speed issue associated with a language like Python by pointing out that nearly all graphical tasks invoked by the script won’t be managed by it, but actually, via Cython, via the C compiler; and also by the GPU, which they task. I think that part is good and promising. louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
credibility.
Hi I have no idea how many times it takes to loose credibility.If I think of how many times the PMC have promised to do things (like e.g. digital signing or getting developers) it must be a high number! I reconsidered only because I have been asked by a number of people to do it, so at least these people assume the number is higher than 1. If I have lost my credibility, then the solution is simple, do not vote on me or as PMC reject my nomination. Remember both Dennis and I need at least 3 binding votes to join the PMC. Please do not misunderstand me, I do not do this, because it is a dream role for me, To be quite clear I would much more have liked a situation where some of the PMC members had accepted a nomination. Enough said. rgds jan i -- Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
Re: Short-term priorities for OpenOffice
On 24/01/2015 Andrea Pescetti wrote: 1) Election a new PMC Chair (the Chair has one, and clearly defined, role: being the liaison officer between the OpenOffice PMC and Apache; he/she can do much more, and I have been doing much more and I'll still continue with the rest; but this is not part of the Chair duties). Seeing that things are moving very fast now, it's clear to assume that we are doing #1 first. Good. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [nomination] Apache openoffice chair
Rob Weir wrote: I must have missed it, but when did you call for nominations? And how long are we giving to nominations? All of this started on January 1st and we can't go on and discuss forever. Everybody has had the opportunity to nominate and be nominated. We need something that converges. People who are stopping the process must realize they are damaging the project by reiterating the same discussions. If we vote, I would add an option None of the above and ask that people who prefer that one are constructive and suggest some concretely verified different options. And can we have an explanation why the results of the last vote were just ignored? Vote was canceled, in agreement with the only candidate, since the number of binding -1 votes (especially compared to the number of voters) was making it clear that I couldn't conclude we had consensus. This is basically what I wrote at the time http://markmail.org/message/jlwujrial43unk4j ; maybe I don't understand your question, but I'm confident I didn't do anything wrong. We don't even need a formal vote. There are projects that are able to change their Chair with a 3-day discussion on the private list. Here we chose to do everything in public, with the obvious noise that comes with it. And this requires constructive attitude. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [NOMINATION] Dennis Hamilton for Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair
Dennis, Thank you for this... the project will be well served. +1 On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: It's my birthday and it just seemed a good idea to move the needle on Priority #1. I'm rather uncomfortable about self-nomination yet I figure the conversations and discussion are of value. I hereby nominate myself as the replacement for Andrea Pescetti as Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair. RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE CHAIR My promise, if selected, is to faithfully deliver on the responsibilities of a PMC Chair as required of an Officer of the Foundation. APPROACH TO APACHE OPEN OFFICE With regard to the PMC, which I am not a member of, my promise is to serve as an effective member of that community and with particular attention to PMC responsibilities to the Foundation but also to the cultivation of a sustainable, thriving project. As an AOO committer, my personal itch is around intake of new developers and reducing the friction and learning curve that goes with that. I am also personally committed to furthering the interoperability among ODF-supporting products of all kinds in whatever ways that works for Apache OpenOffice. I have been training to become more involved in the code, as slow as I am at that. I am also interested in how user support can be broadened and materials brought current and highly-available. WHERE'S DENNIS BEEN? Folks who've been here since OpenOffice came to the ASF will recall that I was a member of the PPMC and did not continue after graduation to a Top Level Project. On the PPMC I was an initial committer and I contributed to administrative activities for some mailing lists, intake of new committers and PPMC members. I was particularly pleased to participate in the preservation of the OpenOffice Forums. I have no difficulty with administrative, procedural, and policy matters. My departure was more from recognition that I was not equipped to work on the code and that I did not just want to continue as an administrative resource. I also left the OASIS ODF TC around the same time. Meanwhile, I engaged in some training, including in security and cryptography, an interest of mine with respect to document privacy. Last year I became interested in change-tracking and I'm currently putting the final touches on two workshop papers I presented last September. I also did some course-work in software development and I am continuing that. It was renewed interest in tracked changes and other aspects of ODF interoperability that brought me back to following AOO lists. My participation has increased to the current level over the past few months. I also joined the Apache Corinthia Incubator as an initial committer and PPMC member of that newborn podling. NO REALLY, WHERE HAS DENNIS BEEN? I wrote my first line of code when I was 19. That was in May, 1958. I went through the usual progression of development from programmer to becoming a lead developer on what we called systems software, including assemblers, compilers and utilities for the machines of the time. I also did some programming-language design work. I had the good fortune to work at Sperry Univac, in Seattle, New York City, and Blue Bell Pennsylvania during the peak of Grace Hopper's presence there. Although she knew me, I did not do much directly with her (although I graded papers for her once when she was teaching a course in the Wharton School). Later I became a consultant, and after two tours at Xerox Corporation, serving as a software architect and technical-staff member, first in Rochester, New York, and finally in Palo Alto, I retired at the end of 1998. I recommend retirement as a career. I began working in industry standards when ASCII was a new-born and ALGOL 60 was expected to revolutionize programming. Document formats became of interest while I was at Xerox and I participated in development of consortium agreements for document management. Most of my internal work in my later Xerox years was around interoperability provisions of various kinds. I dug into OOXML and ODF only after my retirement when those standardization efforts were moving along. There are words of mine in both of those specifications. SO WHAT? Most of us are only acquainted on the Internet and, while I have met others on AOO, those occasions are rare and fleeting. More than that, I want to offer, in my nomination, an opportunity to say what doesn't work with regard to me personally. I welcome that. And please express more of what is wanted from the Project that is not happening and how any contributors are expected, not just the PMC and its Chair, to make a difference with respect to the expectations this community has. I respect all feedback and discussion and I will still be here whatever the outcome of this Priority #1 activity happens to be. I am not attached to being PMC Chair. I am offering to
Re: [nomination] Apache openoffice chair
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Rob Weir wrote: I must have missed it, but when did you call for nominations? And how long are we giving to nominations? All of this started on January 1st and we can't go on and discuss forever. Everybody has had the opportunity to nominate and be nominated. We need something that converges. People who are stopping the process must realize they are damaging the project by reiterating the same discussions. If we vote, I would add an option None of the above and ask that people who prefer that one are constructive and suggest some concretely verified different options. And can we have an explanation why the results of the last vote were just ignored? Vote was canceled, in agreement with the only candidate, since the number of binding -1 votes (especially compared to the number of voters) was making it clear that I couldn't conclude we had consensus. This is basically what I wrote at the time http://markmail.org/message/jlwujrial43unk4j ; maybe I don't understand your question, but I'm confident I didn't do anything wrong. We don't even need a formal vote. There are projects that are able to change their Chair with a 3-day discussion on the private list. Here we chose to do everything in public, with the obvious noise that comes with it. And this requires constructive attitude. So my concern was your statement I'll start a vote soon, while it lasts, when there has not been a call for nominations, nor a 3-day period of time. It sounds like someone has solicited up nominations via private emails. Let's do this in public. Yes, we had discussion before, but some of the candidates who previously dropped out seem to now be back in, due to these private conversations. Maybe others would emerge if we did this openly. So let's be fair and have an actual open call for nominations if we're going to have a 2nd round of this, and not just rush to a vote based on backroom discussions. Thanks! -Rob Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [nomination] Apache openoffice chair
On 26/01/2015 Rob Weir wrote: So my concern was your statement I'll start a vote soon, while it lasts, when there has not been a call for nominations, nor a 3-day period of time. Fair. You all get three days. But no more than that, please. We are really in need for a solution. It sounds like someone has solicited up nominations via private emails. I have no problems to admit that, since vote on the only candidate could not be considered successful and I wished to avoid to vote with zero candidates, I asked other nominees to reconsider in the order in which they had declined. I stopped as soon as I found one, but indeed I'll give everyone else the opportunity to reconsider. And others to join. I'll only put a condition: either nominate yourself (at this point, preferred) or get approval by your nominee BEFORE sending in the nomination. Let's do this in public. So: Rob, Juergen, Marcus, Kay, you declined your nomination before we compiled the final list of nominees last round. Have you changed your mind? If so, please nominate yourself within the next three days. And if other people want to join the nominees, please do. Including Louis obviously. So let's be fair and have an actual open call for nominations if we're going to have a 2nd round of this, and not just rush to a vote based on backroom discussions. With three days, you won't have the None of the above options. Three days (after 26 days!) are enough to consider this to be fair for any definition of fair. We already discussed the voting procedure back at the time and I'm not going to revisit it unless there are objections. Thanks! In exchange, I ask everybody to be constructive and polite. Note that I may be offline for (relatively) long periods due to travel in the next days, so I may not be able to start or close the vote in a timely fashion. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: PMC Chair nominations
Just a note on the VOTE since we are doing it in public. Please make sure that the language for the candidates who are not currently on the PMC includes the language to elect them to the PMC in addition to being elected to PMC Chair. Regards, Dave On Jan 26, 2015, at 8:32 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Just a note in a dedicated thread to say that nominations for a new PMC Chair are to be considered open for three more days, to give others (Dennis and Jan already nominated themselves) the opportunity to run. Please consider that this comes after 26 days of discussions. So I strongly recommend that you nominate yourself or that you get explicit permission from your nominee, otherwise the risk of wasting time is high. Deadline: in 72 hours (so around 16.30 UTC on Thursday 29 January). Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: PMC Chair nominations
I think the language is for the PMC Chair to make a motion to the Board using the prescribed form for that. I think invitation to the PMC should not be bundled with that. It would be strange to not have that handled by the PMC, although Andrea has the power to appoint someone to the PMC directly. Maybe that should just happen in case Andrea is recommending someone not currently on the PMC, perhaps conditional on the Board appointing the new VP for OpenOffice. -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 09:56 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: PMC Chair nominations Just a note on the VOTE since we are doing it in public. Please make sure that the language for the candidates who are not currently on the PMC includes the language to elect them to the PMC in addition to being elected to PMC Chair. Regards, Dave [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] #1 New PMC Chair (was RE: Short-term priorities for OpenOffice)
On Jan 26, 2015, at 1:21 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 26/01/2015 RA Stehmann wrote: Apart from his official duties the PMC chair is seen as the representative of AOO by the public (Whether we like it or not.) This happens. More rarely than one would think, but still I confirm that I very occasionally received requests from the press. I simply routed them to the PMC. As said critical points are the relations to LibreOffice and to companies, which are able to contribute code or anything else to our project. These are tasks for the PMC. The Chair cannot impose his point of view on these matters. The PMC can surely agree to delegate these tasks to a person (who may or may not be the Chair) and it is the PMC vision, not the Chair's vision, that matters here. This is why I consider this to come later than the election of a new Chair. After and the question is for the WHOLE community not just the PMC. People don't have to be on the PMC to influence the direction of the project with their energy. Regards, Dave Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [NOMINATION] Dennis Hamilton for Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair
I was asked off-line whether I would commit to serving for one year. Yes. I am committed to serving for at least one year if I am selected and approved. - Dennis PS: On this birthday, my driving license also had to be renewed. I looked at the black-and-white photo on my temporary replacement and said, who is that old guy? Must be PhotoShop! The renewal is for 6 years. It was startling to think how old I will be then. And I intend to be active even longer than that. -- dh -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 16:48 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: [NOMINATION] Dennis Hamilton for Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair It's my birthday and it just seemed a good idea to move the needle on Priority #1. I'm rather uncomfortable about self-nomination yet I figure the conversations and discussion are of value. I hereby nominate myself as the replacement for Andrea Pescetti as Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair. [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [NOMINATION] Dennis Hamilton for Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair
On 25 Jan 2015, at 19:48, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: It's my birthday and it just seemed a good idea to move the needle on Priority #1. I'm rather uncomfortable about self-nomination yet I figure the conversations and discussion are of value. I hereby nominate myself as the replacement for Andrea Pescetti as Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair. Good. I second your nomination, if that’s at all relevant. (If not, I just cheer it.) Best, louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [nomination] Apache openoffice chair
Am 01/26/2015 01:17 PM, schrieb jan i: I am available, if the community wants me as chair (and PMC) without time limit. I'm happy to see that you are available for the chair. :-) Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [nomination] Apache openoffice chair
Am 01/26/2015 05:24 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: So: Rob, Juergen, Marcus, Kay, you declined your nomination before we compiled the final list of nominees last round. Have you changed your mind? If so, please nominate yourself within the next three days. I'm sorry but my situation hasn't changed. So, I'm not available for the PMC chair. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: PMC Chair nominations
On 26/01/2015 Dave Fisher wrote: Please make sure that the language for the candidates who are not currently on the PMC includes the language to elect them to the PMC in addition to being elected to PMC Chair. Sure. This was already covered in previous discussions. Don't worry, I know what to do. Dennis: it is not exactly as you outline, but, again, I will take care of it. Namely, the Board always has the last word on PMC members. So it is not true that I have superpowers to add new people to the PMC, or even that the PMC can decide to appoint a new PMC member. The Board can veto PMC additions (which in practice never happens, but this is how it works at Apache). Anyway, the one thing you shouldn't care about is procedural issues related to the vote. I'm well prepared on this and, ahem, I even had the opportunity to rehearse very recently. So I recommend that the discussion focuses on other issues. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [NOMINATION] Dennis Hamilton for Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair
On Jan 25, 2015 4:48 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: It's my birthday and it just seemed a good idea to move the needle on Priority #1. I'm rather uncomfortable about self-nomination yet I figure the conversations and discussion are of value. I hereby nominate myself as the replacement for Andrea Pescetti as Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair. +1 for your self nomination... And telling us more about yourself and roles you see for yourself in the project. I'm happy you took this initiative! RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE CHAIR My promise, if selected, is to faithfully deliver on the responsibilities of a PMC Chair as required of an Officer of the Foundation. APPROACH TO APACHE OPEN OFFICE With regard to the PMC, which I am not a member of, my promise is to serve as an effective member of that community and with particular attention to PMC responsibilities to the Foundation but also to the cultivation of a sustainable, thriving project. As an AOO committer, my personal itch is around intake of new developers and reducing the friction and learning curve that goes with that. I am also personally committed to furthering the interoperability among ODF-supporting products of all kinds in whatever ways that works for Apache OpenOffice. I have been training to become more involved in the code, as slow as I am at that. I am also interested in how user support can be broadened and materials brought current and highly-available. WHERE'S DENNIS BEEN? Folks who've been here since OpenOffice came to the ASF will recall that I was a member of the PPMC and did not continue after graduation to a Top Level Project. On the PPMC I was an initial committer and I contributed to administrative activities for some mailing lists, intake of new committers and PPMC members. I was particularly pleased to participate in the preservation of the OpenOffice Forums. I have no difficulty with administrative, procedural, and policy matters. My departure was more from recognition that I was not equipped to work on the code and that I did not just want to continue as an administrative resource. I also left the OASIS ODF TC around the same time. Meanwhile, I engaged in some training, including in security and cryptography, an interest of mine with respect to document privacy. Last year I became interested in change-tracking and I'm currently putting the final touches on two workshop papers I presented last September. I also did some course-work in software development and I am continuing that. It was renewed interest in tracked changes and other aspects of ODF interoperability that brought me back to following AOO lists. My participation has increased to the current level over the past few months. I also joined the Apache Corinthia Incubator as an initial committer and PPMC member of that newborn podling. NO REALLY, WHERE HAS DENNIS BEEN? I wrote my first line of code when I was 19. That was in May, 1958. I went through the usual progression of development from programmer to becoming a lead developer on what we called systems software, including assemblers, compilers and utilities for the machines of the time. I also did some programming-language design work. I had the good fortune to work at Sperry Univac, in Seattle, New York City, and Blue Bell Pennsylvania during the peak of Grace Hopper's presence there. Although she knew me, I did not do much directly with her (although I graded papers for her once when she was teaching a course in the Wharton School). Later I became a consultant, and after two tours at Xerox Corporation, serving as a software architect and technical-staff member, first in Rochester, New York, and finally in Palo Alto, I retired at the end of 1998. I recommend retirement as a career. I began working in industry standards when ASCII was a new-born and ALGOL 60 was expected to revolutionize programming. Document formats became of interest while I was at Xerox and I participated in development of consortium agreements for document management. Most of my internal work in my later Xerox years was around interoperability provisions of various kinds. I dug into OOXML and ODF only after my retirement when those standardization efforts were moving along. There are words of mine in both of those specifications. SO WHAT? Most of us are only acquainted on the Internet and, while I have met others on AOO, those occasions are rare and fleeting. More than that, I want to offer, in my nomination, an opportunity to say what doesn't work with regard to me personally. I welcome that. And please express more of what is wanted from the Project that is not happening and how any contributors are expected, not just the PMC and its Chair, to make a difference with respect to the expectations this community has. I respect all feedback and discussion and I will still be here whatever the outcome of this Priority #1 activity happens to be. I am not attached to being PMC Chair.
Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair
Il 20/01/2015 00:29, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 19 Jan 2015, at 13:32, Kay Schenk wrote: I am probably seeming very disagreeable here. ... Andrea and others believe that the election process has proceeded as it ought to have, with enough time allowed for discussion and then vote. But you argue the contrary, and it seems that a couple of others share your views. Just a note on this (dead) discussion: I'm not planning any discussion time between the end of (self-)nominations and the start of the vote. If you believe that a dedicated discussion phase must really be added, please request it now rather than complaining later. I know it would be just three more days, but I'm not willing to allocate them unless someone takes the responsibility to request them (and, ideally, ensure productivity of the discussion). The sequence I envisioned was: A. Election; B. PMC re-evaluation; C. New election if need be or is desired. There is no absolute set term for the chair. This is now known as action #1 and #2. And indeed this is the way to go (except that I wouldn't like to see a re-election in one month, since we take more than one month to elect a Chair). Finally, I also felt that Andrea wanted to step down and do it before February. But as he's recently underscored, he's not working on a deadline, just a desire. As things are now, and with a nominations round open, it is likely that we manage to choose my successor in time for the February Board meeting. If we manage to start a vote, I'll probably accompany it with a statement saying that it is not an option that I extend my term once again. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Junior Volunteer QA
Welcome, hope that you have a great experience working with the community and also feel free to get your students to join in. There is no age limit on how users can contribute to the community, from localization, to quality assurance to coding, this community has everything to learn and share knowledge of software development. On 1/26/15, Артем Хмелев a.khmel...@yandex.ua wrote: Hello, friends! My name is Artem Khmelyov. I am a teacher of Computer Science. I live in Kyiv, Ukraine (East Europe). I like IT and I hope that I will come to your big friendly team. Good Luck! -- Best Regards Artem Khmelyov - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor 882C 4389 3C27 E8DF 41B9 5C4C 1DB7 9D1C 7F4C 2614 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Building error in module instsetoo_native
hi,all ： ... analyzing directories ... ... analyzing files ... ... analyzing scpactions ... ... analyzing shortcuts ... ... analyzing unix links ... ... analyzing profile ... ... analyzing profileitems ... ... analyzing folders ... ... analyzing folderitems ... ... analyzing registryitems ... ... analyzing Windows custom actions ... ... analyzing modules ... ... languages en-US ... ... analyzing files ... preparing 1 extension blob for language en-US: dict-en.oxt preparing 0 bundled extensions for language en-US: ... analyzing files with flag ARCHIVE ... ... analyzing files with flag SUBST_FILENAME ... ... analyzing files with flag SCPZIP_REPLACE ... ... analyzing files with flag PATCH_SO_NAME ... ... analyzing files with flag HIDDEN ... ... analyzing all directories for this product ... ... analyzing links ... ... analyzing unix links ... ... creating profiles ... ... analyzing folder ... ... analyzing folderitems ... ... analyzing registryitems ... ... analyzing modules ... ... creating inf files ... ... creating installation directory ... ... creating installation set in E:/source/trunk/main/instsetoo_native/wntmsci12.pro/Apache_OpenOffice/installed/install/en-US ... ... removing old installation directories ... ... creating directories ... ... copying files ... ... creating links ... remove_empty_dirs_in_folder E:/source/trunk/main/instsetoo_native/wntmsci12.pro/Apache_OpenOffice/installed/install/en-US_inprogress/OpenOffice 4/share/extensions/ins remove_empty_dirs_in_folder E:/source/trunk/main/instsetoo_native/wntmsci12.pro/Apache_OpenOffice/installed/install/en-US_inprogress/OpenOffice 4/share/extensions ... current dir: /cygdrive/e/source/trunk/main/instsetoo_native/wntmsci12.pro/Apache_OpenOffice/installed/install/en-US_inprogress/OpenOffice 4/program ... ... unopkg.exe sync --verbose -env:UNO_JAVA_JFW_ENV_JREHOME=true 21 | ... Missing argument in sprintf at E:/source/trunk/main/solenv/bin/modules/installer/logger.pm line 192. Invalid conversion in sprintf: %\000 at E:/source/trunk/main/solenv/bin/modules/installer/logger.pm line 192. Missing argument in sprintf at E:/source/trunk/main/solenv/bin/modules/installer/logger.pm line 192. Invalid conversion in sprintf: %\000 at E:/source/trunk/main/solenv/bin/modules/installer/logger.pm line 192. ... cleaning the output tree ... ... removing directory /tmp/ooopackaging/i_101881422265749 ... Error: ERROR: unopkg.exe sync --verbose -env:UNO_JAVA_JFW_ENV_JREHOME=true 21 | failed! ** ERROR: ERROR: unopkg.exe sync --verbose -env:UNO_JAVA_JFW_ENV_JREHOME=true 21 | failed! in function: register_extensions ** in function: register_extensionsstopping log at Mon Jan 26 17:50:17 2015 dmake: Error code 255, while making 'openoffice_en-US.installed' 1 module(s): instsetoo_native need(s) to be rebuilt Reason(s): ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /cygdrive/e/source/trunk/main/instsetoo_native/util When you have fixed the errors in that module you can resume the build by running: build --from instsetoo_native Please help if you can, Thank you !
Re: [DISCUSS] #1 New PMC Chair (was RE: Short-term priorities for OpenOffice)
On 26/01/2015 RA Stehmann wrote: Apart from his official duties the PMC chair is seen as the representative of AOO by the public (Whether we like it or not.) This happens. More rarely than one would think, but still I confirm that I very occasionally received requests from the press. I simply routed them to the PMC. As said critical points are the relations to LibreOffice and to companies, which are able to contribute code or anything else to our project. These are tasks for the PMC. The Chair cannot impose his point of view on these matters. The PMC can surely agree to delegate these tasks to a person (who may or may not be the Chair) and it is the PMC vision, not the Chair's vision, that matters here. This is why I consider this to come later than the election of a new Chair. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: * One conceivable drawback is that Kivy also uses Kivy Language, for creating sophisticated user interfaces[,] though it does not seem to be required for creating naive UIs. Kivy is in Python and their conference presentations seem to be mostly at PyCons. One might wonder about the use of Python for something claiming speed as a virtue. Ouch. FC
Re: [DISCUSS] #1 New PMC Chair (was RE: Short-term priorities for OpenOffice)
On 25.01.2015 00:20, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Apart from his official duties the PMC chair is seen as the representative of AOO by the public (Whether we like it or not.) So IMO we have to discuss what are our expectations to a PMC chair in that role. As said critical points are the relations to LibreOffice and to companies, which are able to contribute code or anything else to our project. Kind regards Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Junior Volunteer QA
Hello, friends! My name is Artem Khmelyov. I am a teacher of Computer Science. I live in Kyiv, Ukraine (East Europe). I like IT and I hope that I will come to your big friendly team. Good Luck! -- Best Regards Artem Khmelyov - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [NOMINATION] Dennis Hamilton for Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair
2015-01-26 1:48 GMT+01:00 Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org: It's my birthday and it just seemed a good idea to move the needle on Priority #1. I'm rather uncomfortable about self-nomination yet I figure the conversations and discussion are of value. I hereby nominate myself as the replacement for Andrea Pescetti as Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair. RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE CHAIR My promise, if selected, is to faithfully deliver on the responsibilities of a PMC Chair as required of an Officer of the Foundation. APPROACH TO APACHE OPEN OFFICE With regard to the PMC, which I am not a member of, my promise is to serve as an effective member of that community and with particular attention to PMC responsibilities to the Foundation but also to the cultivation of a sustainable, thriving project. As an AOO committer, my personal itch is around intake of new developers and reducing the friction and learning curve that goes with that. I am also personally committed to furthering the interoperability among ODF-supporting products of all kinds in whatever ways that works for Apache OpenOffice. I have been training to become more involved in the code, as slow as I am at that. I am also interested in how user support can be broadened and materials brought current and highly-available. WHERE'S DENNIS BEEN? Folks who've been here since OpenOffice came to the ASF will recall that I was a member of the PPMC and did not continue after graduation to a Top Level Project. On the PPMC I was an initial committer and I contributed to administrative activities for some mailing lists, intake of new committers and PPMC members. I was particularly pleased to participate in the preservation of the OpenOffice Forums. I have no difficulty with administrative, procedural, and policy matters. My departure was more from recognition that I was not equipped to work on the code and that I did not just want to continue as an administrative resource. I also left the OASIS ODF TC around the same time. Meanwhile, I engaged in some training, including in security and cryptography, an interest of mine with respect to document privacy. Last year I became interested in change-tracking and I'm currently putting the final touches on two workshop papers I presented last September. I also did some course-work in software development and I am continuing that. It was renewed interest in tracked changes and other aspects of ODF interoperability that brought me back to following AOO lists. My participation has increased to the current level over the past few months. I also joined the Apache Corinthia Incubator as an initial committer and PPMC member of that newborn podling. NO REALLY, WHERE HAS DENNIS BEEN? I wrote my first line of code when I was 19. That was in May, 1958. I went through the usual progression of development from programmer to becoming a lead developer on what we called systems software, including assemblers, compilers and utilities for the machines of the time. I also did some programming-language design work. I had the good fortune to work at Sperry Univac, in Seattle, New York City, and Blue Bell Pennsylvania during the peak of Grace Hopper's presence there. Although she knew me, I did not do much directly with her (although I graded papers for her once when she was teaching a course in the Wharton School). Later I became a consultant, and after two tours at Xerox Corporation, serving as a software architect and technical-staff member, first in Rochester, New York, and finally in Palo Alto, I retired at the end of 1998. I recommend retirement as a career. I began working in industry standards when ASCII was a new-born and ALGOL 60 was expected to revolutionize programming. Document formats became of interest while I was at Xerox and I participated in development of consortium agreements for document management. Most of my internal work in my later Xerox years was around interoperability provisions of various kinds. I dug into OOXML and ODF only after my retirement when those standardization efforts were moving along. There are words of mine in both of those specifications. SO WHAT? Most of us are only acquainted on the Internet and, while I have met others on AOO, those occasions are rare and fleeting. More than that, I want to offer, in my nomination, an opportunity to say what doesn't work with regard to me personally. I welcome that. And please express more of what is wanted from the Project that is not happening and how any contributors are expected, not just the PMC and its Chair, to make a difference with respect to the expectations this community has. I respect all feedback and discussion and I will still be here whatever the outcome of this Priority #1 activity happens to be. I am not attached to being PMC Chair. I am offering to take on those duties as a means for us to move forward onto other priority
[nomination] Apache openoffice chair
Hi Several private emails, during the previous vote (meaning too late to change anything), have persuaded me to reconsider. Self nomination is generally not a good thing, but Andrea has asked me specifically to send this mail, to stop any confusion (or rumors) about my role. I am available, if the community wants me as chair (and PMC) without time limit. I promise to do the chair duties as defined by ASF, everything else depends on the PMC. I think Dennis will make a good chair/PMC, he is a lot better connected to AOO than me while I am relatively well connected within apache (have a look at people.apache.org) Just avoid any misunderstandings, LABS (which is a very very silent project) elected me as chair earlier this month and I am also spending hours developing Corinthia. I prefer not to enter into a debate about the qualifications of Dennis and me, the community knows us both (I have not changed since I resigned). I hope our community get a working PMC with a lot more activity. rgds jan i -- Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
Re: [DISCUSS] #1 New PMC Chair (was RE: Short-term priorities for OpenOffice)
On 01/26/2015 12:55 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: I just saw a very crisp statement that applies here too: Apache Chairs are not Executives. The Incubator Project is in the process of taking nominations and discussing replacement of their current Chair, which their practice is to have on a 12-month cycle. You can see the quote in context at http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201501.mbox/%3CCAAS6%3D7hJBPCCYxJWrfgAHApf%2ByFnbUR2vNVs-wO6J21Lmh-5Mw%40mail.gmail.com%3E (after you paste the URL back together [;). great reference! Thanks. -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 01:22 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] #1 New PMC Chair (was RE: Short-term priorities for OpenOffice) On 26/01/2015 RA Stehmann wrote: Apart from his official duties the PMC chair is seen as the representative of AOO by the public (Whether we like it or not.) This happens. More rarely than one would think, but still I confirm that I very occasionally received requests from the press. I simply routed them to the PMC. As said critical points are the relations to LibreOffice and to companies, which are able to contribute code or anything else to our project. These are tasks for the PMC. The Chair cannot impose his point of view on these matters. The PMC can surely agree to delegate these tasks to a person (who may or may not be the Chair) and it is the PMC vision, not the Chair's vision, that matters here. This is why I consider this to come later than the election of a new Chair. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK An old horse for a long, hard road, a young pony for a quick ride. -- Texas Bix Bender - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL
On 01/20/2015 01:32 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On 01/20/2015 11:28 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Louis asks about a dependency on LGPL. -- replying below to -- From: Louis Suárez-Potts [mailto:lui...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 07:05 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL [ ... ] Indeed, thanks. But let me get this straight. The Qt license, which for us would be LGPL, is not an obstacle? (I know you described a possible usage that did not seem to transgress license. But we should need to be rather careful here.) orcmid Yuri had intentionally stayed away from the license question and simply described his impression of Qt in terms of technology. However, I do believe that having Qt in place of VCL would be very serious (although allowing Qt under VCL as an *option* is different). I believe the governing conditions in the Apache Project Maturity Model (https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ApacheProjectMaturityModel) are CD20, CD30, and especially LC20. Going to Qt would be more than a requirement for using the compiled code, it would also be a requirement for being able to compile the code. My impression was only the latter in the same way we use other libraries outside of AOO to build. See info on the QuickCompiler page -- http://doc.qt.io/QtQuickCompiler/index.html In the case of writing aids that are made available with AOO binaries (or as extensions), there is no dependency concerning licensed material at the AOO source-code level. The license accompanies the extension, but the extension's usage at the AOO level is indifferent and the extensions are replaceable. Recall the project was very careful about that. Relying on Qt, even as a redistributable shared library obtained from the Qt project, makes it not possible to build AOO without that dependency, and it would permeate the APIs and source-code architecture everywhere. Apart from the effort required to do that, I think that is a serious intrusion of an LGPL dependency into the entire project. I think there is an open question about sliding Qt under VCL as simply a platform adaptation. My question to Yuri was about what he knew concerning lifecycle management in handling that. I believe that remains to be explored. That might be someone's itch to scratch, but I don't think it should distract the project at this point. I think there are many other pressing matters that require someone with both an itch and the means to scratch it. I also think there is some sort of confusion of Qt with respect to Webkit. I am not certain what that is. However, to the degree one is interested in moving toward light-weight GUIs that take advantage of the HTML5, CSS, and JavaScript support on devices and the cloud, there seem to be more direct avenues that one might consider for AOO, although I for one am completely ignorant of what that would disrupt in the current AOO architecture and source-code structures. Squirrel !;). /orcmid It's taken me a while to get back to this thread. As further points of interest in this discussion: * Our Mac OSX version uses a native port to Aqua with minimal hooks to VCL -- see https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Ericb#What_do_we_have_to_build_in_vcl.3F Also see sources in: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/main/vcl/ Not being a Mac builder, I was not aware of this. * We already have plugins from vcl to gtk, kde, and kde4. I would need to get into the code more to see how these function as opposed to what I'm on now --vcl. A plugin to qt would work the same way I suspect. My research so far has produced more questions at this point. It is definitely true that trying to pull out vcl completely (as was done with the aqua port for the most part I imagine) and using qt is the best way to determine any viability. Not in trunk of course. This might be a fun experiment for a class of CSCI students. -- - MzK An old horse for a long, hard road, a young pony for a quick ride. -- Texas Bix Bender - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: [DISCUSS] #1 New PMC Chair (was RE: Short-term priorities for OpenOffice)
I just saw a very crisp statement that applies here too: Apache Chairs are not Executives. The Incubator Project is in the process of taking nominations and discussing replacement of their current Chair, which their practice is to have on a 12-month cycle. You can see the quote in context at http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201501.mbox/%3CCAAS6%3D7hJBPCCYxJWrfgAHApf%2ByFnbUR2vNVs-wO6J21Lmh-5Mw%40mail.gmail.com%3E (after you paste the URL back together [;). -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 01:22 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] #1 New PMC Chair (was RE: Short-term priorities for OpenOffice) On 26/01/2015 RA Stehmann wrote: Apart from his official duties the PMC chair is seen as the representative of AOO by the public (Whether we like it or not.) This happens. More rarely than one would think, but still I confirm that I very occasionally received requests from the press. I simply routed them to the PMC. As said critical points are the relations to LibreOffice and to companies, which are able to contribute code or anything else to our project. These are tasks for the PMC. The Chair cannot impose his point of view on these matters. The PMC can surely agree to delegate these tasks to a person (who may or may not be the Chair) and it is the PMC vision, not the Chair's vision, that matters here. This is why I consider this to come later than the election of a new Chair. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
