Re: [PROPOSAL] move repo to Git.

2015-02-18 Thread Yuri Dario
Hi,

a bit late...

having worked with both svn and git, personally I don't think git it 
is easier to use.

Given how AOO is developed, it seems to me that cloned repos are not 
necessary, developers are already working on svn repo.



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RE: [PROPOSAL] move repo to Git.

2015-02-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
We use Git on the Corinthia incubator.

For Apache committers, there is not much difference in how one makes commits 
and it is much easier to work on branches for anyone.  Using clones does add a 
step between change and commits at the Apache origin repo, as Yuri observes.

Users of SVN who have not delved into Git may find some of this helpful with 
regard to the main effects.

 - Dennis

THERE ARE BASICS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME BUT ...

The nomenclature is different.  Clone is the counterpart of the SVN check-out.  
Commit is not the counterpart of SVN commit.  A Git clone is a local full 
repository and a working directory with the files that are initialized to the 
current head of that clone.  The working directory is essentially a particular 
view into the clone repository along with any changes made in that working 
directory that have not yet been committed to the clone repo itself.

My experience is that what I just said broke my brain.  I had to let go of how 
I look at using SVN and just let that soak in as I began to understand how Git 
has local operation work.

I have a clone of the Apache-hosted Git on my windows desktop.  It serves me 
just like an SVN working copy, and even looks the same in terms of what I see 
in working folders (except I use TortoiseGit for one, TortoiseSVN for the 
other).

Now, when I have worked on changes in that working copy, a commit goes to the 
*local* clone, not to the Apache origin.  This works without my having to be 
online or even connected (unless the clone is on a network share).  I usually 
use the GitHub for Windows application to do this, even though the Apache 
origin repo is not on GitHub.  The GitHub app works fine with all Git repos on 
my system.

The value of the GitHub application is that it shows me quickly what local 
working material is not committed and lets me selectively choose what to commit 
and write the commit message.  This is still done on the clone.

The other value of the GitHub application is that it shows me whether there are 
changes at the origin that I have not synced with, as well as showing how many 
commits I have not pushed to the origin.

In a single Sync operation, I can pull down all the recent changes from the 
origin and, because I am a committer, directly push my recent changes up to the 
origin.  Any conflicts will not impact the origin, but will require me to fix 
them locally first.
A safer way, is to pull down the changes from the origin first, to ensure there 
are no collisions, then do a push (or a sync because it is just handy) to line 
up mine and the origin.

I found that it took some baby steps, but I now do that easily and without 
effort.

The big difference, which does not intrude on ordinary processes such as I have 
described, is when you want to revert a commit to the clone.  The Clone has the 
*complete* history of the origin repro, as of the latest sync.  You can dig 
into it entirely locally.  And if there is some sort of disaster, someone with 
a good clone can completely restore the origin or otherwise preserve the repo 
(but for origin changes not synced at the time of disruption).  

You could, in principle, also fork a project by having a clone that you 
never/rarely sync to the origin but that you continue to pull down origin 
changes from.  There is probably some set of git operations and options to make 
all of that work and allow the pulls down from the upstream origin to be 
reviewed and pushed to the fork's origin repo.  I can imagine such a structure 
where patches made to the upstream origin's code could be made available via 
pull requests to that origin but the unique material on the fork is not 
offered.  I've not dug into git enough to know how to pull all of that off, but 
that would work in cases of externals that AOO relies on and that we have had 
to patch to work as an AOO dependency.  We would want to provide some upstream 
patches to an external git repo for the originating project to accept or not 
when are changes are general fixes or improvements.

BRANCHING IS EASY AND OFTEN

The difference about branches is profound, especially for a large repo such as 
the Apache SVN.  

In SVN, there is essentially a full copy of some part of the repo.  It is not 
*literally* a copy, but as either a branch file or the original file change, 
the branch file does become a separate copy.  However, a checkout of the branch 
is definitely a full copy.  Messy.

With Git, when you start a branch in a clone, nothing happens.  Basically, your 
working copy, currently identical in the branch and the trunk (often called 
master in Git repos), just sits there but it is labeled the branch.  You can 
work on the branch and when you commit locally, you are committing to the 
branch.  If you switch back to the master, you will see the master without any 
of the branch changes.  If you switch back to the branch, your local working 
folder will have the master from the point the branch started, updated 

RE: website security certificate

2015-02-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I just checked https://openoffice.org and https://www.openoffice.org and saw no 
certificate problems.  I also did a Google search on Open Office and saw no 
suspicious links in the first results.  All the ones to Apache OpenOffice 
locations work just fine.  Your search will also produce results for 
organizations and sites that have nothing to do with Apache OpenOffice.

Please redo the google search and tell us the URL that you attempted to access. 
 That is, can you see what the link is in the entry. It is usually right under 
the heading of the search-result entry.  If that doesn't work, tell us what the 
search term was (what you typed to Google) and what the heading of the result 
you tried is.

Also, what browser are you using?  This is usually what determines there is a 
security certificate discrepancy. 

-Original Message-
From: Brenda Bergman [mailto:brendaleewilk...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 07:28
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: website security certificate

When I was trying to go onto your website from a google search is said their 
was an issue with your security certificate and recommended not continuing to 
the site.  Thought I'd let you know in case it's killing your traffic.
Brenda
  


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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

2015-02-18 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 08/02/2015 Andrea Pescetti wrote:

I will send a resolution for the next Board Meeting
(18 February) for replacing me with Jan Iversen.


The Board has just approved the resolution, so Jan Iversen is the new 
OpenOffice PMC Chair (or, to state it in official terms, Jan is the new 
VP, Apache OpenOffice).


I've updated the Foundations records accordingly. Jan is now listed as 
Chair at http://www.apache.org/foundation/index.html and in internal ASF 
resources.


Congratulations, Jan! And let's continue to work together for the 
continued success of OpenOffice.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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RE: [RESULT] [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

2015-02-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 and Hip, Hip, Hooray!

-Original Message-
From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 11:47
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

On 08/02/2015 Andrea Pescetti wrote:
 I will send a resolution for the next Board Meeting
 (18 February) for replacing me with Jan Iversen.

The Board has just approved the resolution, so Jan Iversen is the new 
OpenOffice PMC Chair (or, to state it in official terms, Jan is the new 
VP, Apache OpenOffice).

I've updated the Foundations records accordingly. Jan is now listed as 
Chair at http://www.apache.org/foundation/index.html and in internal ASF 
resources.

Congratulations, Jan! And let's continue to work together for the 
continued success of OpenOffice.

Regards,
   Andrea.

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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

2015-02-18 Thread Marcus

\o/

Congratulations, Jan.

Marcus



Am 02/18/2015 08:46 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

On 08/02/2015 Andrea Pescetti wrote:

I will send a resolution for the next Board Meeting
(18 February) for replacing me with Jan Iversen.


The Board has just approved the resolution, so Jan Iversen is the new
OpenOffice PMC Chair (or, to state it in official terms, Jan is the new
VP, Apache OpenOffice).

I've updated the Foundations records accordingly. Jan is now listed as
Chair at http://www.apache.org/foundation/index.html and in internal ASF
resources.

Congratulations, Jan! And let's continue to work together for the
continued success of OpenOffice.


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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

2015-02-18 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org
wrote:

 On 08/02/2015 Andrea Pescetti wrote:

 I will send a resolution for the next Board Meeting
 (18 February) for replacing me with Jan Iversen.


 The Board has just approved the resolution, so Jan Iversen is the new
 OpenOffice PMC Chair (or, to state it in official terms, Jan is the new
 VP, Apache OpenOffice).

 I've updated the Foundations records accordingly. Jan is now listed as
 Chair at http://www.apache.org/foundation/index.html and in internal ASF
 resources.

 Congratulations, Jan! And let's continue to work together for the
 continued success of OpenOffice.


​Congratulations Jan. You are a very valued memeber of this community and I
think this community will benefit even more from your actions.​





 Regards,
   Andrea.

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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

2015-02-18 Thread jan i
On 18 February 2015 at 20:46, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:

 On 08/02/2015 Andrea Pescetti wrote:

 I will send a resolution for the next Board Meeting
 (18 February) for replacing me with Jan Iversen.


 The Board has just approved the resolution, so Jan Iversen is the new
 OpenOffice PMC Chair (or, to state it in official terms, Jan is the new
 VP, Apache OpenOffice).

Thanks I have and am boiled down with ACNA scheduling, so I did not hear it.



 I've updated the Foundations records accordingly. Jan is now listed as
 Chair at http://www.apache.org/foundation/index.html and in internal ASF
 resources.

 Congratulations, Jan! And let's continue to work together for the
 continued success of OpenOffice.

Thanks. I want to continue working together, it is important to me, that we
do not start from a fresh but build on history.

Not much will change, just because I am chair instead of you.except you
do not need to secure the board reports are made :-)

Have a nice evening.
rgds
jan I.


 Regards,
   Andrea.

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Re: website security certificate

2015-02-18 Thread jan i
On Thursday, February 19, 2015, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
wrote:

 With Brenda's permission, I am reporting her direct replies to me back to
 the list.  I also have a jpg screen image that I will need to upload
 somewhere, such as into a Bugzilla issue.  In a follow-up along with the
 message below I learned that

  1. The browser is Firefox

  2. The URL is https://www.openoffice.org

  3. From the screen capture, the message that arrives most-recently is as
 follows, with the home page visible and a pop-under beneath the address bar
 (which has a caution ! sign in front of the URL):

3.1 This website does not supply identity information.
3.2 and beneath that,
The connection to this web site is not fully secure
because it contains unencrypted elements (such as
images).
3.3 There is a help button and a More Information ...
button.

 Now that I think about it, that is all you would see that is relevant in
 the .jpg, so I won't bother to upload it.

.jpg did not make it to the list, which is normal. More or less all
attachments get stripped off.

however I checked on the vm, the certificate is active.

2 good possibilities:

-  firefox dns caching does not resolve to our machine
-- solution clear the firefox history and try again.
- Firefox has the old certificate stored and for some reason did not update
it.
-- the certificate was changed some 5-6 month ago, due to a security fix.

rgds
jan i

in any way


  - Dennis



 -Original Message-
 From: Brenda [blissfulh...@live.com javascript:;]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 13:07
 To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org javascript:;
 Subject: Re: website security certificate

 It said something like the security certificate was for another website, I
 think.  I tried it twice and it did it both times but once I decided to go
 ahead to the website, since I had been on it before, it hasn't done it
 again
 (I'm assuming b/c my browser saved my preferences) but it is showing a
 warning up near the domain address bar.  I attached a screen shot of the
 warning.  Normally, I wouldn't go on a website if I got that warning (b/c
 the warning screen from google recommended NOT continuing to the site) but
 since I've used Open Office before I did.
 Brenda

 -Original Message-
 From: Dennis E. Hamilton
 Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 1:12 PM
 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org javascript:;
 Cc: brendaleewilk...@hotmail.com javascript:;
 Subject: RE: website security certificate
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website security certificate

2015-02-18 Thread Brenda Bergman
When I was trying to go onto your website from a google search is said their 
was an issue with your security certificate and recommended not continuing to 
the site.  Thought I'd let you know in case it's killing your traffic.
Brenda
  

RE: website security certificate

2015-02-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
With Brenda's permission, I am reporting her direct replies to me back to the 
list.  I also have a jpg screen image that I will need to upload somewhere, 
such as into a Bugzilla issue.  In a follow-up along with the message below I 
learned that 

 1. The browser is Firefox

 2. The URL is https://www.openoffice.org

 3. From the screen capture, the message that arrives most-recently is as 
follows, with the home page visible and a pop-under beneath the address bar 
(which has a caution ! sign in front of the URL):

   3.1 This website does not supply identity information.
   3.2 and beneath that,
   The connection to this web site is not fully secure
   because it contains unencrypted elements (such as
   images).
   3.3 There is a help button and a More Information ...
   button.

Now that I think about it, that is all you would see that is relevant in the 
.jpg, so I won't bother to upload it.

 - Dennis



-Original Message-
From: Brenda [blissfulh...@live.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 13:07
To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org
Subject: Re: website security certificate

It said something like the security certificate was for another website, I 
think.  I tried it twice and it did it both times but once I decided to go 
ahead to the website, since I had been on it before, it hasn't done it again 
(I'm assuming b/c my browser saved my preferences) but it is showing a 
warning up near the domain address bar.  I attached a screen shot of the 
warning.  Normally, I wouldn't go on a website if I got that warning (b/c 
the warning screen from google recommended NOT continuing to the site) but 
since I've used Open Office before I did.
Brenda

-Original Message- 
From: Dennis E. Hamilton
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 1:12 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Cc: brendaleewilk...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: website security certificate
[ ... ]



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